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Tune Req: Cuckold Come Out o' the Amrey

GUEST,Anika from Berlin Germany 15 Dec 04 - 06:35 AM
Malcolm Douglas 15 Dec 04 - 08:53 AM
GUEST,Mark Harris 09 Nov 07 - 04:11 PM
Jack Campin 09 Nov 07 - 04:31 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 09 Nov 07 - 04:36 PM
GUEST,Mark Harris 09 Nov 07 - 05:42 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 09 Nov 07 - 05:49 PM
GUEST,BongoPedro 11 Feb 09 - 11:46 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Feb 09 - 04:19 PM
Jack Campin 11 Feb 09 - 04:54 PM
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Subject: Tune Req: HELP seachring for a irisch traditional
From: GUEST,Anika from Berlin Germany
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 06:35 AM

Hi, my name is Anika and I write my thesis about the music in the film "Master and Commander". There are several irish traditionals in it. I`m searching for the sheet music of the song "The cuckold comes out of the amery (or avery)". It is a title of the soundtrack.

Please help me. It is urgent.

Sincerly yours

Anika


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: HELP seachring for a irisch traditional
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:53 AM

Not Irish, but a dance tune from the North East of England: Cuckold come out the Amrey ("Amrey" is a cupboard; from French "Armoire."). The Fiddler's Companion suggests that it's a re-working of the Scottish Struan Robertson's Rant, which is certainly possible: the latter tune seems to have published considerably earlier.

Information, and notation in abc format (which can easily be converted to conventional staff notation at Concertina.net) on most of the tunes you are asking about can be found at The Fiddler's Companion, though you should bear in mind that the details there are précied from numerous sources, some of which are accurate, some of which are not; and since those sources are often not properly identified, it can be hard to tell which bits to believe.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: GUEST,Mark Harris
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 04:11 PM

Mr. Douglas' reply is helpful. One question: Is there a source to which I can refer for the etymology of "amrey"? The word does not appear in Webster's or OED or any of the several dictionaries used by Google. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 04:31 PM

It's also "aumrey", "ambrey" and probably other spellings.

Since Struan Robertson was a celebrated figure living at a time when it was common practice to rename slight adaptations of traditional tunes after members of the elite, I'd bet there are nameless antecedents for both.

It's in the Northumbrian Pipers' Tune Book volume 1.


X:1
T:Cuckold Come Out of the Amrey
S:NPTB v1
M:C
L:1/16
K:A Dorian
ABcA c3d e3d e2g2|G2G2 B3c dBAG BcdB|
ABcA c3d e3d e2g2|d2BA g2B2 A4   e4 :|
g3e c2g2 e2c2 efge|dcBA G2d2 B2G2 BcdB|
gfed cdef g2c2 efge|d2cB g2B2 A4   e4 :|


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 04:36 PM

OED Ambry (also aumbry) is the source you're looking for. Etymology given as Late ME almarie later aumery, aumbry < O.Fr. almarie var of armarie (mod Fr. armoire) < L. armarium = closet, chest f. arma=utensils.

Essentially a cupboard, locker or press.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: GUEST,Mark Harris
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 05:42 PM

Another question: Is it possible that Anika's suggestion (i.e., that "amery" means "aviary") is correct? The title of the song would then be equivalent to "the cuckoo comes out of the aviary" rather than "the cuckold comes out of the cupboard."


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 05:49 PM

No!

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: GUEST,BongoPedro
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 11:46 AM

There's a bit of info, with two recording links, here:

http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7116

and the tune can be found in "Northumbrian Minstrelsy" by J. Collingwood Bruce and John Stokoe (1882)

p


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 04:19 PM

ambry, several variant spellings, as posted by Mick Pearce, above, is included in the OED, with quotations from 1393 to 1868.

In the Minstrelsy, it is called a small-pipe tune.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 04:54 PM

All the tunes in the Minstrelsy are on my website in ABC.

http://www.campin.me.uk


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come out the Amrey
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 05:50 PM

Both the versions in NPTB 1 and in N. Minstrelsy are contractions of the longer variation set to be found in Peacock's tunes (orig. published 1800)
Based on Struan Robertson's as noted above, but I too have my doubts whether this is the "original" - it's merely the earliest known published.
Title would suggest a Restoration period origin, when cuckolds were a-plenty (amongst things!)

Good tune

Paws


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come Out o' the Amrey
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 09 - 04:07 PM

X:1 T:Cuckold Come Out of the Amrey S:NPTB v1 M:C L:1/16 K:A Dorian ABcA c3d e3d e2g2|G2G2 B3c dBAG BcdB| ABcA c3d e3d e2g2|d2BA g2B2 A4   e4 :| g3e c2g2 e2c2 efge|dcBA G2d2 B2G2 BcdB| gfed cdef g2c2 efge|d2cB g2B2 A4   e4 :|


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Cuckold Come Out o' the Amrey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Mar 09 - 06:42 PM

GUEST, please get a name - anonymous posts often get deleted.

What was the point of that? I'd already posted the same version you did, but with <pre>...</pre> tags to make the line breaks work. And there had been two other links to versions of the tune posted in this thread as well.


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