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Donuel 17 Dec 04 - 07:37 AM
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Subject: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 07:37 AM

or Sainta Clause will die for your sins.

Walmart poster
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/sainta.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: kendall
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 08:33 AM

Screw walmart. They donated millions to the republicans and not one dime to the democrats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 08:39 AM

Only one of the two actually exist, and unfortunately it's Walcrap.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 03:09 PM

Our local paper this morning informs us that Walmart has its eye n a piece of property and wants to get into Juneau, Alaska "as soon as possible".


And so does Home Depot.

What strikes me as odd is that Juneau , lwith its imited land mass and population - 31,000 here on the mainland and some off shore islands with populations of 100 or thereabouts each- is being expected to support competing BIG stores. Surely it only means that smaller stores and other non-bulk outlets will fall by the wayside while the big guys slug it out, none of them making the profit they make elsewhere? And then, as they move out, there will be more empty stores and decaying parking lots.

We used to have a Kmart, a Wendy's, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Baskins Robbins, I don't know what else.

We still have a Gottschalks, Fred Meyer (a small west coast version of Walmart) and a Costco, along with numerous small locally owned stores.

Wonder what we'll still have in five years?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Peace
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 03:33 PM

Bas#ards don't have enough yet, do they.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 04:46 PM

Wal-Mart is donating up to a million dollars from each store matching what is in the Salvation Army kettle in front of the store this holiday season.

A great charitable move and I salute them for it.

I also salute Wal-Mart for keeping their prices low so many low income people can afford Christmas presents this year.

I also salute Wal-Mart for being smart enough to give the Kerry campaign one dime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bert
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 04:53 PM

Our local Wal-Mart donates a whole load of returned goods to local charities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:04 PM

yeah, and Mussolini made the trains run on time


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:15 PM

Denial Bill D.

You are in denial of a good cause.

You are in denial of a charitable cause by Wal-Mart.

Awwwwwwww, poor little Bill D. The big corporation makes him look so bad so easily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bert
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:31 PM

What does Mussolini have to do with the price of beans?

Why pick on Wal-Mart. There are many other stores as bad or even worse, K-Mart for instance, they are the ones who fired all their older employees and replaced them with cheaper youngsters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Peace
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:35 PM

Let me tell you about monopolies and Northern Stores in the NWT. If anyone's interested, I will. And it ain't a pretty story. And today, they are the gougers of the north.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 06:18 PM

Get your facts straight, Marty. Wal-Mart is matching donations to the Salvation Army up to a total of $1,000,000. Not an outright donation, and not, as you're trying to say, a million dollars per store. This, in exchange for being allowed to use Salvation Army bell-ringers in their Christmas commercials. I'm beginning to think this "major company" you claim to work for might just be Wal-Mart.

For whatever reason, it's about time they start giving a bit back to the communities they've trashed.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 06:18 PM

Mussolini is Bill D's idol and Bill D. just like to bring him up in conversations that have nothing to do with Fascist Italians because of his liberal mental disorder.

How did the song go again?

Whistle while you work.
Hitler is a jerk.
Mussolini bit his weenie
Now it won't squirt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 07:35 PM

it's a **METAPHOR**, Martin...but you knew that. I could have said, "and Martin Gibson can play a nice G chord" and made the same point.

Walmart (AND K-Mart) and various other mega-businesses like Micro$oft and others are not automatically excused from their sins because they throw a few donations out to distract from the negative consequences of their 'success'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 08:19 PM

I generally do not shop at Walmart, because I despise them. However, I bought an airplane model there today, while looking for something else which I thought I might be able to find there, but didn't.

I must be slipping... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 08:33 PM

Malwart here in DC tried to buy tons of acreage from the boyhood farm of George Washington to build another store. They nearly got away with it.

I understand that Malwart has dictated to China what prices they would pay for products. This year however China is dictating to them.
There is talk of labor unions in China. More bad news for Malwart is that China will not keep their currency undervalued any longer to match the US dollar.

If you want some cheap Chinese goods I bet we will be seeing an end of that era fairly soon.

China will also be importing cars to the US next year of the first time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 08:34 PM

The sleeping giant seems to be waking up...


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jews not so much for Jesus
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 09:27 PM

Martin,

I'm surprised you're so happy WalMart is giving a million dollars to the Salvation Army. They are, after all, an evangelical organization whose main goal is to have everyone in the world enter into a "personal relationship with Christ." I know you wouldn't be supporting this UNLESS it was in line with your right-of-center political views and your love of capitalism and WalMart.

In 2004, the Salvation Army had a focus group preparing for the Lausanne conference whose theme was how to better convert Jews.

The Salvation Army is no friend of committed, believing Jews, and neither, I suspect, is WalMart.

From the Salvation Army website:

about us


The Salvation Army was founded as an evangelical organization dedicated to bringing people into a meaningful relationship with God through Christ. Its doctrinal basis is that of the Wesleyan-Arminian tradition. It is composed of persons who are united by the love of God and man, and who share the common purpose of the organization - to motivate all people to embrace the salvation provided to them in Christ.

The word "army" indicates that the organization is a fighting force, constantly at war with the powers of evil. Battles are effectively waged through an integrated ministry that gives attention to both body and spirit. It is a total ministry for the total person. The Army cooperates with churches of all denominations to meet the needs of the community.

Those who have drifted away from God and those estranged from their own religious affiliations are often attracted to The Salvation Army. The are first urged to seek Christ for pardon and deliverance from sin. Then they are encouraged to return to active memberships in their own churches or to enroll as soldiers in a corps community center. Young people often are attracted through local music groups, youth camps, and recreational centers.


The Doctrines of the Salvation Army.

   1. We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and that they only constitute the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice.

   2. We believe that there is only one God, who is infinitely perfect, the Creator, Preserver, and Governor of all things, and who is the only proper object of religious worship.

   3. We believe that there are three persons in the Godhead - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, undivided in essence and co-equal in power and glory.

   4. We believe that in the person of Jesus Christ the Divine and human natures are united, so that He is truly and properly God and truly and properly man.

   5. We believe that our first parents were created in a state of innocency, but by their disobedience, they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall, all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.

   6. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has by His suffering and death made an atonement for the whole world so that whosoever will may be saved.

   7. We believe that repentance toward God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and regeneration by the Holy Spirit are necessary to salvation.

   8. We believe that we are justified by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and that he that believeth hat the witness in himself.

   9. We believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.

10. We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

11. We believe in the immortality of the soul, the resurrection of the body, in the general judgement at the end of the world, in the eternal happiness of the righteous, and in the endless punishment of the wicked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:52 AM

Y'know, as far as I know, The Salvation Army is up front about who they are and what they stand for. My problem is with those who have secret agendas, dishonorable intentions, and cowardly backhanded methods. I've never felt I had a problem with SA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:47 AM

I agree with robomatice on this one. I do not have a problem with the Salvation Army or any other organization that is honest about what its doing. As far as I know they haven't been nailed for mis-allocation of funds or anything. I don't have to believe their doctrine to believe they are providing a valuable service. Lets not, however, confuse valuable service and business.

Wal-Mart uses the Salvation Army because its good advertising. Sure, Sally Anne benefits but Wal Mart benefits even more. And don't tell me its a win-win situation because it is the consumers who lose in the long term.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: mack/misophist
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 11:50 AM

For very large companies, charity is just another form of advertising. Bill Gates gives away millions to worthwhile causes. But he has more money than any norman human could spend. And I'm sure it helps at tax time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Scoville
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 01:09 PM

Wal-Mart pays crap wages to most of its employees (the cashiers, etc. who do the grunt work) so they can't afford to shop anywhere else. Wal-Mart wiped out the downtown of the small town where I went to college. A lot of those businesses were family-owned for multiple generations and were keeping people in town. One of them was a drugstore that had the original 1930's soda fountain/lunch counter. They couldn't possibly have competed in a price war with Wal-Mart (they were not, however, overpriced considering the scale on which they operated); I bought there anyway because the customer service was so much better than the mass-market approach at Wal-Mart.

I don't have issues with the Salvation Army. I don't agree with them but I know who they are and what their values are, and I often donate anyway because somebody needs the help and, as far as I know, the SA hasn't been funnelling my second-hand clothes elsewhere. I do, however, have issues about Wal-Mart (or any retailer, for that matter) bragging about their prices when they have been accused of short-changing their workers. I work for a low hourly wage myself, and minimal benefits, and find this kind of thing inexcusable. I'm exactly the kind of person to whom Wal-Mart markets itself and I do anything I can to avoid shopping there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: kendall
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:28 PM

Big coporations have one God. Profit, and they will destroy anyone to get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:53 PM

Profit is capitalism. You don't want profit or capitalism, than I am sure you are just another communist or loser in a capitalistic society who is a moron who doesn't know how to make some honest dough. Or has no talent to do so.

The moron Guest who tried the religious angle doesn't realize that the Walton family who founded Wal-Mart is Jewish and mambers of the family are on the board of directors. If he is threatended by the Salvation Army which is a noble and extremely charitable organization, I am sure that he is himself extremely anti-religion.

Again, no one forces anyone to work at Wal-Mart. It looks to me like a clean arm place to work. No one is twisting any one's arm. You can't put a limit on capitalism. If you are going to go out of business because of Wal-Mart that is the American way, unless you can find a way to give better service or a better product for the money.

I think many of you never took Business 101.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 05:01 PM

The moron Guest who tried the religious angle doesn't realize that the Walton family who founded Wal-Mart is Jewish and mambers of the family are on the board of directors.

Sorry Martin, but the Waltons are not Jewish. The rumor that they are Jewish comes from anti-Semitic neo-Nazi websites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Scoville at Dad's
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 05:17 PM

I don't agree entirely that nobody is forced to work at Wal-Mart. Nobody is putting guns to anyone's heads, but if Wal-Mart wipes out all the other diversified businesses in town and moving isn't an option, yes--you have to work at Wal-Mart. The only thing saving me (barely) is my education and I've had more advantages there than a lot of people. I understand that such are the economic facts of life but it still will never seem right to me that small towns can be put out of businesses and have their young populations siphoned off to cities in part because somebody wants to sell loads of junk for less.

And no, I am not a Communist (loser is debatable) but I have no desire to be motivated solely by money, and I think that there should be--could be, if the government cared to enforce them--limits on absolute capitalism in the form of making sure corporations follow legal/ethical hiring practices, pay living wages, and have decent benefits for the people who put the sweat into the day-to-day operations. No, it doesn't take a genius to run a cash register, but we can't all be geniuses and somebody has to do it, and if I spend 8 (or 10 or 12 or whatever) hours a day on my feet doing it, I by God deserve fair compensation. Wal-Mart cheats to keep its prices artificially low instead of treating its workers fairly and charging the "real" cost of its merchandise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Cruiser
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 06:50 PM

The topic of Wal-Mart's pros and cons is broad and deep. Its market practices are at least oligopolistic and may soon become monopolistic. The monopoly will occur when they are the only seller of the low cost commodities and they put undue pressure on their overseas (mainly China) suppliers. Some say they are already there.

This is a completely different situation than Microsoft, a company that produces quality products and fairly (IMO) out-competes the competition. Wal-Mart provides (does not produce) cheap products and unfairly out-competes competitors who do not have equal access to those low-quality and low-priced "goods".   

A Case For WalMart

I prefer quality over price, but that market condition is hard to find in this world of outsourcing and markets without borders. I would prefer to go back to the 1950s market climate, but...

Cruiser


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bert
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 07:08 PM

...Microsoft, a company that produces quality products... Cruiser YOU MUST BE BLOODY JOKING!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Cruiser
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 07:12 PM

Bert: Sir, note I said "IMO". No joking, bloody or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 08:34 PM

Martin - As I have said all along. Martin is not Jewish. If he was, he would know that the Waltons are not Jewish. He is a neo-Nazi who impersonates an obnoxious Jew in an effort to create anti-semitic feelings. He's a total low lifer who only shops at Walmart to avoid buying anything from Jews.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jews etc.
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 08:55 PM

This just shows that MG will believe more or less anything and rationalize more or less anything as long as it agrees with his politics.



1. The claims I made about the Salvation Army are all true. I took them right from the SA's own we site. Seems they think MG should either convert or burn in hell for eternity, but he thinks they are an extremely charitable organization. Go figure...

2. It's a little farfetched that a man named Walton who comes from Arkansas would be Jewish.

3. To those who claim the SA is "up front" about their goals, I disagree. Do you really think most people know when they buy at a salvation army store or donate their clothes to one that the profits (which of course are not legally profits since they are a religious group) are going to think tanks on how to more effectively convert all non-protestants, or how to spread the belief that anyone who disagrees with mainline protestantism or who isn't "saved" will go to hell? I would guess not. The Salvation Army has most Americans thinking they are a bunch of people who collect for charity, period. They are also a bunch of people who collect in order to impose their beliefs on as many people as they can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 09:01 PM

Here is an illuminating article about WalMart and the Walton family:

The Beasts of Bentonville

I seriously doubt that the Waltons are Jewish...not that I particularly care one way or the other whether they are or not. I just don't like WalMart, period.

And there are limits on capitalism already...in every capitalist society...since various highly profitable and antisocial courses of action are already illegal. Those limits need to be considerably strengthened. A society based solely on material self-interest is a society headed straight to hell, and it is ludicrous to suggest that the only alternative to that is Communism. (Communism in China and Russia is/was based mainly on the self-interest of the ruling hierarchy of Communist bosses!)

It is ruthless, uncaring self-interest (either capitalist OR communist OR any other variety) which stands in the WAY of genuine social progress.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 09:24 PM

Dianavan, that would explain much about Marvin that is currently a mystery to me.

He presents himself as a happily married, middle-aged Jewish man, a very successful business man, a top-rank musician, a man who knows all of the tacky television shows and computer action games, who thinks what he says is funny when it is merely vulgar in the extreme, a man who just coincidentally is ultra conservative and ultra 'patriotic', a man who scoffs at anything from abroad, a man who 'loves' his country in general, Chicago in particular, and Chicago hot dogs without reservation.

Do you see where the picture starts going bad? "A happily married, middle-aged Jewish man, a very successful business man, a top-rank musician," is not the guy in the greater half of that paragraph.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 09:27 PM

That is an excellent article, Little Hawk. Anyone who wants to see America prosper, should boycott Wall Mart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: number 6
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 09:39 PM

Little Hawk mentions in the last line of his thread

'It is ruthless, uncaring self-interest (either capitalist OR communist OR any other variety) which stands in the WAY of genuine social progress.'

Interesting statement, and very good it is.

Outsourcing specifically to China(which Walmart is one of the largest benefactors) is the greed Captitalism and the greed of Communism feeding off of each other. To Hell with social progress, for the sake of cheap, cheap goods.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 10:38 PM

Precisely. The greed of capitalism and of communism feed off each other, while the public is distracted with needless divisions between "right" and "left", black and white, gay and straight, young and old, protestant and catholic, male and female, capitalism and communism. It's the same old divide and conquer tactics that the ruthless few at the top have used over and over again in the past, with great success.

As long as they can keep ordinary people killing each other over these pointless, trumped-up, media-fed confrontations, they can rule the roost and walk away with the spoils.

The crowned heads of Europe who fought WWI against one another were all each other's relatives! Little has really changed since then. Only the outer masks change.

Putin, Bush, Blair, Sharon, the Saudis, the Chinese leaders...they dine together at fancy dinners and decide economic and military policy, while ordinary people across the World slave and starve and die at their behest. Young Americans are dying right now in Iraq...not to protect the USA, not to fight terrorism, not to bring freedom to Iraqis, not for any of the spurious reasons which they are led to believe they are fighting for by their bosses in Washington.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Peace
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 11:15 PM

Google

Bohemian Grove


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 11:51 PM

Kissinger and Associates provide technical assistance to WalMart. I wonder if Kiss and Assoc. also provide programs for hacking into voting machines? It wouldn't surprize me a bit.

I don't know how to get past the divisions that have been created in America. Little Hawk says it all above. If we could begin to get past the differences and focus on the similarities, the lower and middle classes would definitely be the majority. Instead we seem to prefer to be lulled into a semi-conscious state of apathy and confusion regarding the face of the enemy. I wish I knew how to convince people to support each other instead of giving all the power to the elite.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 11:38 AM

Wrong Ebbie. I am all of what you say except I don't know much or care for video games.

And dianavan, I am a practicing Jew.

And you are a first class practicing feminist anti-semite.

Sam Walton was Jewish and you can quit denying it because I know it for a fact. Don't shop at Wal-Mart, they will not go under because a few left wing socialists as yourself don't like them.

don't like cheap goods, don't buy them. But I would think that many of the losers here can't afford much else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 12:44 PM

Martin - I am going to say it once again, I am not an anti semite.

I don't care if Walton is Jewish or not but everything I have ever read, says the Waltons are not Jewish. If you have a source that says they are, cough it up.

I dislike your name-calling and your biggoted opinions but that does not mean I am anti-semite. You do not represent all Jews.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Metchosin
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 12:48 PM

A lot of people didn't think much of Adi Amin, I don't think that made them racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:27 PM

I don't care, dianavan.

You do represent all feminists, man-haters, and bitter spurned women.

You also represent all spineless ex-patriots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,True Brit
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:48 PM

Remember Gibson, the colonists rebelled against their anointed monarch. You will all burn in hell for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 04:03 PM

If you are a True Brit, than surely there are False Brits.

Kiss our ass for saving your unwashed butts in WWII.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 05:56 PM

well...the Waltons 'may' be Jewish, but this guy> isn't sure .I'm not sure what difference it makes anyway...if a store is decent and fair, I'll shop there no matter who runs it.m (I even worked for 3 years for a Jewish owned business.)

You almost imply, Martin, that if it IS Jewish owned, you would shop there even if it is run in a unfair, disruptive manner. I sure hope I'm wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 06:02 PM

Of the important things to consider about a person, when evaluating their presumed human value on some scale...being "Jewish" is not one of them. It doesn't friggin' matter. We have had long discussions on this forum about what it actually means to be Jewish. To some it's a religious designation. To others it's not. To some it's a cultural designation. To others it's a political designation. Everybody apparently has their own definition of "Jewish". Whatever the heck it is, it doesn't matter. At least, not to me.

What matters is how a person behaves toward self and others, regardless of whether or not they are Jewish.

And that is merely stating the totally obvious, one would think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 07:01 PM

No, Bill D. I don't care if Wal-Mart is Jewish owned or not. They have great prices, nicely lit and clean stores (I have 3 in the vicinity between work and home) have a helpful and rather friendly staff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jews etc.
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 09:19 PM

Martin Gibson was the one who brought up the Salvation Army thing; now that he knows they are heavy-duty proseltysing protestant anti-Semites, he doesn't care so much about that.

Martin Gibson was the one who brought up Walton being Jewish. Now that he can find no evidence, even from Jew-hating anti-Semites, that Walton really WAS Jewish, he doesn't care so much about that either.

He'll say, do, believe, claim or buy anything if it supports his right-wing ideology.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 09:22 PM

Well, I really seriously don't like WalMart, but I know a woman who works there, and I like her just fine. I can readily accept the notion that some people think WalMart is just ducky. The prices...I think those vary quite a bit. Depends on what you're looking for and when.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 09:49 PM

Who cares if the Waltons are Jewish or not, Martin!

They are still neo-cons bent on controlling retail sales throughout the world. Every dime a person spends at WalMart goes to support right wing NeoCons who don't give a damn about the people of any nation. Now that they get to use the Salvation Army, I guess we can rightly call them right-wing, Christian fundamentalist, Neo Cons.

I'm sure that your admiration for their business ethics will be appreciated. The Waltons seem to have alot of Jewish business partners, maybe you can become one of the inner circle (you might even get to meet Henry Kiss.) Oh, Martin, dreams are made of this. You might even get a promotion! Maybe they'll even send you to China or someplace a little bigger than Chicago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 09:50 PM

Guest, Jews, etc. you should change your name to Guest, Goys, etc because you are a schlemiel and a schmuck.

Don't put words in my mouth. I think the Salvation Army is a great organization doing great things for many people.

As far as Sam Walton goes, prove to me he wasn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 10:51 AM

I will try to see if I can follow Sam Walton around, spy on him, and see what he eats for lunch. If he eats pork we know he's not Jewish...or Muslim. Or...wait...is he dead now? Darn! Another good idea goes up in smoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jews, etc
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 01:27 PM

Oh, I'm an ornament? Thanks, Martin!

Your own schmuckery is always amusing to behold, you goyische putz.

But seriously, MG, YOU made the claim he was Jewish. YOU have to prove he was for the claim to have any weight.

If the world worked the way you seem to think, I could just say

"prove to me you aren't an asshole," and until you provided proof, you would actually BE an asshole.

(Oh, wait, you ARE an asshole. Bad analogy.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 03:11 PM

famous Christians ...business section, about halfway down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 03:20 PM

same information maybe that's not 'proof', but there sure are some big Christian organizations claiming 'ol Sam...(and being born in Oklahoma in 1916 or so, the odds are NOT in favor of his being Jewish)....not that it is important. My only point is that I won't knowingly shop at aplace with Walmarts business practices...no matter HOW clean and/or cheap they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 03:32 PM

This may be a place for the old joke: "I'd like to help you out -- which way did you come in?" Or maybe the old question: "How do we get big business' foot off our necks?"

I think of the lovely people in my life (who are/were Jewish) who have been living lessons in truth, kindness, justice, decency, restraint, beauty of spirit -- how appalled they are/would have been at the destruction of community and human values that is promulgated by Wal-Mart.

It's so sad. Bigots are the demonstrable proof of the old saw about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Does "karma" mean they have to keep coming back until they get it right? I am not well-versed in eastern mysticism. I'm still struggling with "Love thy neighbor as thyself".       Tw


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 03:51 PM

If he is, big deal.

If he isn't big deal.

Wal-Mart is a great american store. Tannywheeler, no one is "appalled" to the magnitude you say and if they are, they are the usual politically correct ilk who get "appalled" at just about everything. They didn't become America's biggest retailer because the majority of people were (gasp) appalled.

Your "karma" is far out and groovy. almost psychedlic. Lite up another one. OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jews, etc.
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:06 PM

See, Martin drops claims like he drops turds: he has no interest in them once he's dropped them:

Sam Walton was Jewish and you can quit denying it because I know it for a fact.

turns easily to

If he is, big deal.

If he isn't big deal.


If he's an anti-semite, big deal. If he's a nazi, big deal. If he eats babies, big deal. The REALLY important thing is, Martin can buy his deodorant cheaper!


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:16 PM

Yeah, but he can't get Resdan, cos it's only available in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:17 PM

At least I use deodorant and don't stink like some 15th serf in the middle ages.

What are you bragging about? that you are a moron and spend more money on the same things that i buy?

No wonder you can't save any money and have to keep borrowing from your parents. or handouts. You obviously need a course in economics or at the very least, common sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:22 PM

You are a Mudcat Guest's dream, Martin... :-) I bet there are some Guests who keep coming back here just so they can fight with you. Mrs Olive Whatnoll, for example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:32 PM

Yeah, whatever became of her? I never had a problem with her, except her cockney was sometimes a bit thick.

Don't recall her ever having a big boner about much. I hope she comes back.

Some of the Guests are always here. they just don't want to get embarrassed by their regular screen names. There is a place on the web that sells special magnifying glasses for them so they can find their balls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jews. etc
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:33 PM

So what was America bragging about? That it took extra time to make a train journey compared to Hitler's Germany? Inefficiency is some kind of virtue?

Obviously, you too need an economics course: slavery was a great economic boon!

Come on, MG. There are values beyond the cheapness of goods or the efficiency of corporations. If you want to learn about some of them, try looking in the Torah...or look inward. I know they're there somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:37 PM

You get what you want from the torah and I will get what I want from it.

I don't see anything in the Torah that says not to save money and buy smart when you can. You don't need the torah or even to be a Jew to know that kind of common sense.

think about giving "Tsedaka" instead from some of the money you save.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:06 PM

"They didn't become America's biggest retailer because the majority of people were (gasp) appalled."

well, that sure is true...*wry grin*...the 'majority' of the people don't pay much attention, and those that do are faced with a steam-roller of a company...
The details about how bad Walmart's practices are didn't become clear until various situations began to smell, and some clever investigative journalism happened....and by then it was about too late.....Walmart had shoved small businesses into bankruptcy all over the country and become SO big that they were practically a force of Nature. When you have that many billions to throw around you can buy, threaten, intimidate 'almost' anyone, and have the highest priced lawyers on the planet clear the way for you....very much like the railroads in the 1880s and the steel companies in the early 1900s...etc...


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:29 PM

But, bill D. NO ONE CARES!

They have the best prices for everyone who works hard for their money.

We just want the best deal out there and hope we can get through the check out lines quickly. We hope we have a little money left over to buy our wife something nice.

There are so many more things to life than "anal"yzing over Wal-Mart. They have not broken any laws and run a business to make a profit. Welcome to America!


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:40 PM

One little question? If some one is very, very, very very, very, very, very, very, very, very rich, but keeps going after all the money and livelihood that everyone else has too...

Does that imply that He is a real nice guy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:48 PM

It means they are good business people who know how to hold on to their number one position in market share.

Didn't you take Business 101 in college? when someone does a better job at selling and merchandising tha Wal-Mart they will then become number one.

BTW, do you have privy to the charitable tax write-offs Wal-Mart does? being a public corporation, I would believe it's available for you to look at.

You should consider the 12-step program I posted and pay special attention to what capitalism means.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 06:34 PM

And there, ladies and gentlemen, in Martin Gibson, you have the perfect example of a true capitalist.

(Now watch. He'll take that as a compliment!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 09:44 PM

"NO ONE CARES!"...I care, and so do others....as a Google search on WalMart will show you.

as to whether they have broken any laws, there is MUCH debate. If 12 year old kids are working 12 hour days in a 3rd world country, does that break OUR laws? It has happened so that companies that supply WalMart can compete. They are getting cleverer with how they hide 'borderline' practices, but they break the spirit of the law everyday, whether they can be technically prosecuted or not.....and like I said...I care.

As long as there is a choice, I'll drive out of my way to buy at the most 'decent' stores I can find....


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 12:39 AM

How much money does one need to be happy? Enough money, that's how much. I have enough money and I'm happy. I saw people in Cuba and in Trinidad who had almost no money and were happy. They were happier in general than their North American counterparts. I've seen rich people who weren't happy, in spite of their riches...and I've seen a few rich people who were happy, but VERY few. If they were happy, it was because their hearts were full of love for other people, love for life, and a desire to do something wonderful in expressing life...not because they had all that money. The money simply allowed them to do more to express that love, and in that case it's a great thing to have the money, no question! Without Love your money ain't worth much.

"Number one"??? Life is simply not about being Number One. Not as far as I'm concerned. Life is about Love. Love has nothing whatsoever to do with being "number one".

However, to those who burn with a desire to be "the best" in their chosen field of endeavour, I say "Great!", as long as they do it with Love and if so I wish them well. Powerful desire, allied with great Love, is an almost unstoppable combination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 05:39 AM

Caught the South Park 'Wall-Mart' episode the other night - brilliantly funny....


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Liberace
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 06:08 AM

Oohh Martin, I love you, your tenacious grip on an argument is mesmerising, let us marry and I can put my metal cock up your fruity little bottom


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 12:59 PM

Guest, Liberace you are a pervert fag and obviously right at home here.


Biil d. care all you want. I'll put my $7.00 bottle of Tide laundry deterget against your $10 bottle of the same size Tide laundry detergent any time. That's just so brilliant. OK, I'll change it to "Hardly anyone cares, and certainly no where enough for it to matter." You can think that you are rightous about it and I will still have the same product and $3.00 extra.

Guest, diogenes or diahrea or what ever you call yourself: Capitalism is an American way of life. You work, you make money, you spend it or save it. What do you do in your empty socialist world? Eat poorly and smell bad, I would think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 01:13 PM

It's understandable that people look for good prices, but price is not the only important consideration.

Let's say you were faced with this situation: You have only 2 local variety stores. One is run by a guy who's a total asshole, is rude to people, cheats his suppliers, and has been known to spread malicious gossip, and hang out with criminals...but...he marks down all his stuff 15% below the competition (he is able to do so because he gets it through various shady methods AND because his company is so huge that it can buy in tremendous bulk). No one has succeeded in actually catching him in in illegal act, however. At least, not one big enough to get him arrested and shut down...

The other store is run by a guy who is a true gentleman. He's honest, helpful, friendly, and runs an honest business. His stuff costs 15% more, because he gets it in a legal and legitimate manner and not in huge, gigantic quantity orders.

Now. Who are you gonna buy from? I'm gonna buy from the second guy. I don't give a damn if it costs me 15% more, and I will be glad to pay him that 15% more!

I am not making a direct comparison to WalMart in all of the details of the above story (more an indirect comparison)...but I am illustrating a point. Price is NOT the only important consideration in deciding whom one gives one's business to.

I couldn't care less if WalMart charges less for certain items. I don't like Walmart, and I am not worried about how big a pile of money is left behind me when I "die" and depart this realm of consumerism for more enlightened realms. It won't matter then if it's a teeny bit smaller pile of money because I didn't shop at Walmart!   :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 07:49 PM

ya' know, Martin....I sorta suspected my 'righteousness' was not likely to change your mind. That $3 is too damn important. I just want the point to be made in contrast to your "damn the morality, full speed ahead" philosophy.

Waslmart can sell Tide cheaper...perhaps almost at cost...because of volume and the higher % of profit they make on stuff like clothing they contract for with foreign suppliers, who are forced to cut costs...and thus wages...in order to get any business.

I'm with Little Hawk...I may not be able to stop them, but I don't have to contribute to their greed....(and besides....I often find a sale on Tide at my local grocery)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Economist
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 10:51 PM

I think Martin uses the "Economics 101" card way too much. Many of us have had "Business 101" AND "Economics 101." So for the record, Economics does not mean "saving money," Martin. That's what they use to call "Home Economics!"

In a real economy, saving three dollars now can be bad for you in the long run. This is because there are COSTS to using Wal-Mart that people like you ignore because they do not accrue to you individually. In other words, Wal-Mart costs EVERYONE in its environment. As an example, Wal-Mart has been caught instructing its employees to apply for food stamps, medicaid, and other entitlement programs for the poor. That's right, conservative backers of Wal-Mart: Wal-Mart doesn't try to help people get off of public welfare, they try to get their employees ON welfare by paying them so little they are still considered poor and then denying them health care and other benefits. In this way, we the taxpayers are forced to subsidize the starvation wages of Wal-Mart "associates." Wal-Mart can then afford to undercut other businesses, which are at least trying to pay a living wage.

These costs affect us all as taxpayers. People like Martin say, "because these costs affect me anyway, I might as well save the $3.00." But another approach would be to shrink Wal-Mart through applying our economic clout and shopping elsewhere. Sure, we spend the three dollars now, but if we succeed we will ultimately be saving ourselves those costs in the long run.

The reason people who don't like Wal-Mart get so mad at people like Martin is that they understand intuitively that Wal-Mart COSTS each of us significant amounts of money. By trying to save that three dollars, Martin seems to be saying "I don't care about anyone else but me. If I save enough at Wal-Mart, it might put me ahead of the game; I might actually save MORE than Wal-Mart costs me. The losers who DON'T shop at Wal-Mart will pay the extra costs of Wal-Mart anyway, not save the three dollars, and be behind me."

It's possible that Martin IS saying that. If so, he may not be such a clever economist as he thinks. Certainly, I know of no analysis suggesting that you can make up such costs by saving at Wal-Mart. It's also possible that Martin simply doesn't know anything about how corporations like Wal-Mart affect people in a large and dynamic economy.

In either case, maybe HE should take Economics 101.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:23 AM

South Park said all this in 20 mins, and funny too... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,liberace
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:12 AM

Gibby-poos I love it when you talk down to me, your manly tones verbally spankin' me, ring me when you want your next session.

Love Libby


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:41 AM

Libby, take your AIDS elsewhere.


Bill H. Even Levis are made off shore today as well as just about every other traditional brand of clothes whether it's sold by Wal-Mart or Marshall Fields. that arguement does not hold water. could be all of those unions finally priced their workers out of the world market. And it is a world market. Wal-Mart brings people the best prices in the world market.

Economist, considering that I minored in business I believe what I forgot what you'll never know.

the extra $3 in my pocket that Wal-Mart put there just gets spent somewhere else. Or saved.

Your diatribe was really self-serving and just a bunch of blabber. Your ass sucks buttermilk regarding knowledge of the topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:57 AM

More Gibby more, you know me and you make beautiful love together, don't hide anymore lets tell all the mudcatters our unashamed unabashful love for each other- Kiss me MArtin, kiss me


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:04 AM

Amos needs you more. He's much more tolerant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Billy Suggers
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:07 AM

GODDAM what a depressing post.

Lets all go play Disney Carols on our cheap plastic toy banjoleikas ($40 from Krap is Us batteries extra)


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:07 AM

Forget Amos Gibby-poos, hes too lefty for me, I like mine no-nosense with a hint of contraversy - take care Gibby


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:10 AM

yawn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Limey
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:14 AM

Dedictaed to the great jewboy himself - Kinky Friedman

They ain't makin Jews like Jesus anymore
we don't turn the other cheek the way we done before
we started with the shoutin' and spittin' on the floor
they ain't makin' jews like jesus anymore

P.S why is Mel Brooks obsessed with NAZIS


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:21 AM

Why are you so obsessed with bad breath? And bad teeth?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Limey
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:23 AM

Why are you obsessed with cutting that piece of skin off your Johnson

Check-mate


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:59 AM

Hardly.

Did you ever see how much smegma collects under yours and the bad odor it produces? You can say you keep it clean, but even the medical profession as a whole endorses it.

I'm sure you know what it tastes like, also.

What other religious rituals do you have a problem with, Mr. Limey Jew hater? Your little tolerant friends here are ashamed of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: NH Dave
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:35 PM

I think to understand WalMart, other then their aim of edging out anyone who trys to compete with them, you have to understand its background. The company was founded by Sam Walton, look him up on Google, a central southern man who founded this chain around central southern mores. He tried to maintain a family feeling within the staff at each of his stores, was quick to accept and credit good ideas for improvement from people on his payroll, but still stuck to a central southern belief set that felt women belonged in the home, and not competing with men on the sales floor for jobs and money.

Originally he tried to maintain a US source for all of the goods sold in his stores, even to the extent of helping inovatore set themselves up in business selling an idea that interested him. Two things came out of these beliefs, the first was attacks on the glass ceiling many women managers experienced, preventing their promotion over less capable men for the same position on upper management staff, the second was evident almost from when the first group of stores were built, and Mr. Sam would visit every store in his chain, both to see how things were doing and to motivate the store's employees. This practice was continued using company planes as the chain spread, until his final days when he became too ill to travel. The stores were run on volume purchasing, which individual local stores couldn't hope to match, and modern merchandising and accounting practices, which smaller chains didn't adopt. The result that when a WalMart, a Barnes & Nobel, a nationwide book selling chain, or an office retailer chain appears in an area, local businesses either try to sharpen up their business practices or decide to close down while they are stil profitable. This and the fact that WalMarts and other large chains try for land further from the town or city which is cheaper than in town property, results in business noving out of center city, and the eventual demise of center city as an area for shopping. One other company who started using these items was Kresge, originally a small item in town store, until it founder KMart, a more progressive mass marketing store that just merged with/bought our Sears, for their mutual benefit.

Dispassionately, we can view the success of these stores as a sign of progress, byt their stocking of only high turnover items which they buy in bulk means that we can never have the variety or depth of stockage that the older central town or city individual stores provided. I must also add that this line of thinking also applies to large lines of hardware and other goods that are being produced for consumption. When I was in England from 71 - 77 I say lots of Stanley tools in local stores that had not been available in their US line for years. Items like long-bed, and intricate mitering planes for working with wood had been superceded in the US by mechanical joiners and sanders, to the detriment of craftsmanship over the intervening years.

The US builder or carpenter arrives with a van full of mechanical saws, drills, and planers, while his British counterpart arrives with a much smaller van containing several mechanic's boxes of had powered saws, drills, and planes. The US "craftsman" distains one-of jobs because it isn't large enough to help write off the cost of all of his power tools and van, while the British workman qitely starts fixing or building the requisite item using the more flexible tools that still rely on hand power and craftsmanship.

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Typical of Martin Gibson Threads
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:40 PM

From WalMart to smegma...quite a thread degeneration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:54 PM

How about from Wal-Mart to some common Mudcat anti-semeitsm?

yeah, your out there, alright.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:44 PM

How Wal-Mart works: HERE (the Levi's situation explained—they're not genuine Levi's anymore, even if they're sold under the Levi's name).

Economics 101. When a company drives out all competition and becomes a monopoly, its prices then skyrocket. It can set whatever price it wants because the consumer can't get its products anywhere else.

You may save a buck or two now, but in the long run, you'll wind up either paying through the nose or doing without.

Simple. Basic. Obvious.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:07 PM

But not true. Only your speculation at this point. Wal-Mart is hardly a monopoly.

Last I checked the following stores were in business:

Target
K-mart
Sears
Kohls
Ace Hardware
The Sav-On chain
Walgreens
Plenty others.

Someone has to be number one. They get there because they OUT-MARKET and OUT-SELL their competitors by executing stratagies.

You should be glad there's a Wal-Mart, Don. Your meager income may stretch a little further if you spent your money more wisely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:42 PM

Martin did you READ the article at the link Don posted?

I don't suppose so....but even if you do, I doubt you'll get the point of what Wal-Mart is doing to the world economy and the entire concept of 'free enterprise'. *READ* about the Vlasic pickles and the Levi's jeans and the Huffy bicycles and the Masters padlocks and ask yourself if waking up one morning and finding almost everything being made in China and Malaysia is worth saving a couple $$$ on Tide....


If you are not able to recognize a predator dressed as a Trojan Horse, don't complain when your favorite Chicago hot-dogs are imported from China and suddenly don't taste the same...even though they might be a nickle cheaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:57 PM

Why do you all accept Martin Gibson's claim to Jewishness at face value? You have no proof he is Jewish, anymore than he has proof that the Walton family is Jewish.

As to Wal Mart's "charitable giving" this year to Salvation Army, it is all about the Wal Mart shadow movement organizing the Target (Wal Mart's biggest competitor) boycott in an effort to drive Target shoppers into the Wal Mart stores.

The Wal Mart shadow movement is the same shadowy movement of right wing Christian evangelicals exploited and brainwashed handily by the RNC and Fox News in the past 25 years. Wal Mart is pretty good at exploiting them too.

Of course they give low income Americans a place to shop for brand new consumer crap made in sweatshops in China, Korea, Dominican Republic, etc. That is part and parcel of the global capitalist strategy. Use cheaply produced sweatshop goods to buy political clout and capital and dividing the nation into a non-existent red state vs. blue state WWF sort of competition.

These RNC phonies use their market research to brainwash people into believing that anyone who speaks out against the level of human and environmental exploitation by global capitalists must be "the devil" or "evil" or "anti-Christian" because Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dick Cheney, and Jerry Folwell say so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:13 PM

Lash out at the Jews, Guest.

that's who you are when you LOST an arguement.

Michael Moore wants to sit on your face.

You ought to do something for those chafed hemmorroids that are making you so irritable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Economist
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:54 PM

Martin, given that I have a PhD in economics and own two businesses, I think your opinion of your minor in business is too high. Your explanation of what happens to your three dollars is completely irrelevant to the point I made, which is that you pay to keep Wal-Mart employees on public welfare, you pay to subsidize their tax breaks. You probably pay more for this than you save by shopping there. But you will continue to do it because like many Americans you are an addict. Addicted to consuming. As you said, your three dollars will be spent elsewhere. It will all be spent because Americans are habitual money-spenders.

The idea of the the American Citizen and the American Worker has been replaced by the American Consumer. Martin is not, as someone said above, a model capitalist. He is a model consumer. The only thing that seems "smart" to him is buying more with the resources he earns. Transforming the system, learning how the world works, even taking charge of the economy which he claims to understand so well, take a backseat to that three dollar fix he can only get at Wal-mart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:59 PM

You have a PhD in rectal sciences for all I care.

How I spend my money is none of your fucking business.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Cruiser
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:13 PM

Good article Don.

Here are 2 points to consider from that article:

{Quote}
In the end, of course, it is we as shoppers who have the power, and who have given that power to Wal-Mart. Part of Wal-Mart's dominance, part of its insight, and part of its arrogance, is that it presumes to speak for American shoppers.

Wal-Mart has also lulled shoppers into ignoring the difference between the price of something and the cost. Its unending focus on price underscores something that Americans are only starting to realize about globalization: Ever-cheaper prices have consequences. Says Steve Dobbins, president of thread maker Carolina Mills: "We want clean air, clear water, good living conditions, the best health care in the world--yet we aren't willing to pay for anything manufactured under those restrictions."
{End Quote}

From my conservative Republican world view, I want competition in all fields: education, work, and commerce. Competition brings out the best in all areas and "weeds out" the rest. The conundrum is I know that expanding growth, whether biological or cultural, can't be never-ending. How much population growth, expanded consumerism, and resultant natural resource exploitation can the earth sustain before we all suffer the consequences? Even as a fiscal conservative, I am well aware that I am part of the problem. I personally strive for quality purchases of name brands over the cheapness of quantity Wal-Mart no-names. However, that distinction is harder to find in world economies without borders. The Wal-Mart business model is likely just a reflection of this and is filling the need for cheap low-cost goods that the MGs of the world demand. It is probably just that simple; demand and supply.

It is hard to be perfect in an imperfect world...

Cruiser


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:13 PM

and further more, you got your PhD from a gumball machine, I would think.

I'll bet your two businesses are drugs and prostitution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: MaineDog
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:17 PM

All of you mouthy wise-guys have missed it. The real problem with WAL-MART is that they are into RF Tags. RF Tags are those little white plastic things about 1 X 3 cm which are attached to merchandise. Or hidden in things you buy. When you check out, the computer correlates the RF Tag with your credit card number. As you walk around town in your new WAL-MART Chineese $10 sneakers, with the RF tag hidden in the heel, you can be tracked. Although the range of tracking is limited to a few feet, eventually anyone who is interested will know where you go. Or did you give those sneakers to your mother-in-law?
MD


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:27 PM

I've only been in a Wal-Mart once. That was a few years ago in a small town in Nebraska. I had to go to a Wal-Mart because it was the only place in this town where they had what I needed. All the other stores in town that used to sell this item had been driven out of business. I did buy the item, but it was cheap and cheesy and it didn't last. Between the item I bought at Wal-Mart and the one I soon had to buy to replace it after I got back to Seattle, I spent more money in the long run.

I prefer to spend my "meager income" on things that I need or things that I really want (not just every cheap knick-knack or nostrum that the TV commercials want me to buy), and when I do buy something, I buy quality. I want it to last.

Even the brand-names that Wal-Mart sells are more cheaply made and of poorer quality than they used to be (see what the article I linked too says about Levi's).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:32 PM

Don, you ought to be glad that they had a bed pan you could buy. besides, how do you know "all of the other stores" even existed. did they tell you so?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Cruiser
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 06:28 PM

Martin Gibson:

Several times you referred negatively to Don Firth's disability. That does not seem like fair play to me. Now, Mr. Firth does not need me or anyone else to take up for him because he is capable and intelligent. I think the rules of this forum are very liberal; however personal attacks are a violation of those rules as I understand them. All your other comments, though base and admittedly sometimes amusing, are fair play, especially when they reply back to you.

There are about 6.37 billion people in this world and how many (likely many billions) of those exceed you or me in physical abilities?

I respectfully ask that you refrain from such comments about disabilities.

Cruiser


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 07:54 PM

Okay, Martin, since you asked:   we were attending my wife's high school reunion in the town in southeast Nebraska where she grew up. Small population. There used to be a fair number of stores of various kinds there, but not anymore. With few exceptions, just about anything one might need had to be bought at the Wal-Mart, a huge box to the east of town.

The item I was looking for was a pair of store-bought 1.25 diopter reading glasses. You will undoubtedly gloat mightily over this, but I find that, within recent years, anything much under 8 point type is a bit difficult to read (don't laugh too hard; you'll be there soon, if you aren't already). I had lost the pair I had and needed to replace them. These glasses are usually sold off a rack in drug stores and generally cost $12 to $18 a pair. I phoned around, and found that the only drug stores in town were strictly pharmacies:   they filled prescriptions and that was it. The stuff they used to sell, they couldn't afford to stock anymore because people could get it cheaper at Wal-Mart. And yes, Wal-Mart had them. They were, as I said, cheap and cheesy. About four days after I bought them, one of the lenses fell out. I had to hold it in place with a small piece of adhesive tape. Very chic! When I got back to Seattle, I tossed them and bought a decent pair.

Barbara and I had never been in a Wal-Mart before, so we looked around a bit. Great prices—but for sleazy products. So, in the long run, not great prices at all.

And by the way, Martin, the disability is with the legs, due to polio at an early age. All other bodily functions—including the brain—are just fine.

Having trouble prying that bed pan off your head, are you?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: MaineDog
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 08:11 PM

Consider what happens when you get into you car equipped with that whizzy automated GPS tracking system, supposedly designed just to bring you emergency services when you need them. You are being tracked all the time! When your $10 WalMart sneakers (remember them - with the RF tags?)
are in your car, you are within tracking range -- they know where you are driving, to within about 20 feet, anywhere. Thanks for the bargains, WalMart!


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:27 PM

Wal-Mart announced that they will soon be offering customers a new discount item: Wal-Mart's own brand of wine. The world's largest retail chain is teaming up with E&J Gallo Winery of California, to produce the spirits at an affordable price, in the $2-5 range.

Wine connoisseurs may not be inclined to throw a bottle of Wal-Mart brand into their shopping carts, but "there is a market for cheap wine", said Kathy Micken, professor of marketing. She said: "But the right name is important."

Customer surveys were conducted to determine the most attractive name for the Wal-Mart brand. The top surveyed names in order of popularity are:

10. Chateau Traileur Parc
9. White Trashfindel
8. Big Red Gulp
7. World Championship Riesling
6. NASCARbernet
5. Chef Boyardeaux
4. Peanut Noir
3. I Can't Believe It's Not Vinegar!
2. Grape Expectations

And the number 1 name for Wal-Mart Wine:
1. Nasti Spumante

The beauty of Wal-Mart wine is that it can be served with either white meat (Possum) or red meat (Squirrel).

I found this at another forum. I assume Martin, being a loyal and upstanding Walmart customer, took part in this survey.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:38 PM

Awrighttt!!!   I will sleep better knowing that the local drunk driver is high on Chinese wine, not French or German wine, and that it only cost him $2-5.00 to become threat to society. LOL! My vote is for "Chateau Traileur Parc". Fer sure, eh? (Yeah, I know it's a joke...at least I hope it is!)

I notice that the very same constituency who attend the local casino in droves in this town are the ones most likely to also shop regularly at Walmart. They're the people who are the living demonstration of the old saying "the unexamined life is not worth living".

Walmart and the casino have several things in common:

They're both enormous boxes.

They have no windows, so you won't be in any danger of being distracted by the real world outside or even remembering it exists, hopefully, until you have spent all your money.

They promise much, and deliver little.

They cater to doughheads...people who look like Michael Moore, but that's where it stops!

They are skilled in practicing organized crime...without actually breaking very many laws in the process.

They have no pity or compassion for anyone.

They live off other people's gullibility.

They think God lives at the mint.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 12:52 AM

This quote:

Wal-Mart has also lulled shoppers into ignoring the difference between the price of something and the cost. Its unending focus on price underscores something that Americans are only starting to realize about globalization: Ever-cheaper prices have consequences. Says Steve Dobbins, president of thread maker Carolina Mills: "We want clean air, clear water, good living conditions, the best health care in the world--yet we aren't willing to pay for anything manufactured under those restrictions."


from Don's article was my point exactly. It is quite well recognized among actual economists, who have actually studied economics, not the "home ec" version of cheap prices that Martin seems to have majored in.

Really, Martin, the fact that you resort to such puerile taunts whenever anyone shows you to be wrong is pathetic. As soon as your posturing about your great economics knowledge was exposed as a sham, it went from "don't you even know economics?" To "You're a druggie and it's none of your business how I spend my money! Nyah!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Economist
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 12:53 AM

Oops...that last post was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Limey
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:32 AM

Gibson ay

Can dish his prejudices out about limeys having bad teeth and bad breath but can't take it bit about his religious creed - cry baby.

Just face it Gibson baitin' is the number one sport on Mudcat and he takes it every fucking time

Reel it in boys I think its a Cunt


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 10:15 AM

I don't know about you, but I'm having a good time at it here. I laugh at most of your reactions.

Don, I would think that you might check into their pricing on Depends.

Limey, my bad teeth remark and your anti-semitism one are like apples and oranges.

I am sure more proud of my religion than you must be of those few rotting nubs left in that pie hole of yours.

And what does "ay" mean? do you mean "oy?"

Guest, Economist, you are just about bankrupt. Your products and services are cheaper to buy and more are more reliable from Wal-Mart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Jerry Springer
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 01:16 PM

Man, I WANT the license for this place!


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,limey
Date: 24 Dec 04 - 03:56 AM

My teeth are pristine Shylock, unlike your cock


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 01:15 PM

Will the fun never end?

CLICK HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 02:05 PM

An article from something calling itself "The Progressive Populist?"

Good for toilet paper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 03:22 PM

Martin, an intellectual such as yourself should be able to attack the information presented on its merits instead of just saying the publication is trash. The germane question is whether or not the information is true.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 05:58 PM

It's biased bullshit and you're a moron if you deny it.

As a SOODOH intellectual, I would think you would realize that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 05:59 PM

Oh, its plenty true, all right. for example, check
HERE

and

HERE

and

HERE

and about a hundred other hits at www.news.google.com - try "Wal-Mart Settlement" and "Wal-Mart Union Canada" to start & branch out from there.

Martin? intellectual? germaine? true?

Mick, you fall & hit your head?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 06:00 PM

Perhaps you could be so kind as to explain to us exactly what about the information presented is biased? Or are you just running off at the mouth again to get atttention?

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 06:23 PM

Mick,

While I agree with you about evaluating the information, rather than attacking the source, there is a long history here ( on Mudcat) of deriding any information that comes from a source that the person does not agree with. It seems a little unfair to hold Martin, of all people, to standards that SRS and others have so blatently ignored without comment by most of you.

8-{E


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Lady Hillary
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 10:53 PM

I have no problem with allowing WalMerde to request aid from China. After all, look at what they have done for the Chinese economy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:19 PM

OK BB--

Do you believe that facts and objectivity of sources count for anything or not?


If you do believe they do, what is your problem with the reporting of the sweetheart child labor arrangement, as linked by Greg,-in both the Bristol (CT) Press and, (especially) the AP?

Do you think both reports are leftist propaganda, made up only to smear the reputation of a good upstanding large firm?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:31 PM

Big Mick I could give a rat's ass on how you spend your meager earnings. Perhaps they would go farther if you spent them more wisely and were smart about your purchasing instead of being such a bandwagon rider when it comes to liberal images.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:32 PM

"Do you think both reports are leftist propaganda, made up only to smear the reputation of a good upstanding large firm?"

Does a bear shit in the woods?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:39 PM

Martin ..... I want you to read my posts again, this time for comprehension.

You made the assertion that it was liberal bullshit. I asked you to respond with some substance. The best you can muster is more "Oh Yeah's". You are a nitwit. And an intellectual lightweight.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 12:05 AM

One more lovely example of WalMart 'strategy'----



Adjacent Wal-Marts May Dodge Size Curbs
Calvert Had Stopped Supercenter Plans

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 7, 2005; Page B01

Robin Gottlieb cringed when she learned of Wal-Mart's plans to build a store the size of three football fields near her home in Dunkirk, a cozy hamlet in Southern Maryland ringed by rolling tobacco fields. The 44-year-old librarian feared it would overwhelm her tightknit community and usher in even more development.

After intense lobbying from Gottlieb and her neighbors, Calvert County officials passed tough regulations last summer that limited the size of big-box stores in quaint town centers such as Dunkirk's. Gottlieb and her friends arranged to cheer the victory with celebratory drinks.

But Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, appears to have hit upon a novel way around the rules: divide the store in two.

In what company officials are calling one of the first arrangements of its kind in the country, Wal-Mart plans to build a 74,998-square-foot store cheek by jowl with a 22,689-square-foot garden center. The two Wal-Marts -- each with its own entrance, utilities, bathrooms and cash registers -- would have a combined area 30 percent larger than the 75,000-square-foot limit for a single store in Dunkirk.

The tactic is the latest example of Wal-Mart's increasingly creative responses to the scores of jurisdictions, including Prince William and Montgomery counties, that have passed regulations limiting the size and location of big-box stores.

..........

Wal-Mart officials say there is nothing Calvert can do to prevent construction of the stores. Mark Davis, a lawyer for Charlotte-based Faison Enterprises, which is developing the Wal-Mart site, said the county can regulate only the size and nature of buildings. He said it would be illegal and discriminatory to create laws that regulate the owners of specific buildings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 09:08 AM

Mick, there's a website I'm posting the link to for no apparent reason except it's amusing and true: fuckwit.info - A Tribute to the Terminally Clueless. Again, totally irrelevant to this thread or any contibutors.

Martin Gibson, as he himself has pointed out a few times, has a great deal of knowledge on certain subjects. What goes into and comes out of various asses is one of these. He's pretty good at body functions in general. Debate, not so much. People do not, I believe, NOT notice the complete lack of substance.

One of those cable channels had a program about Walmart and their expansion tactics in what is evidently a plan to take over the world. (I'm not entirely sure that's even slightly sarcastic.) The show had a bit about a planned expansion that people were protesting, which might have been Dunkirk. The Walmart top guy (missed the name) said something to the effect that "Sure they protest, but when it's built, they'll all shop here...just like they've done in many other places." My thought was that when you're the only game in town, of course people are going to shop at your store. All you have to do is shut down your competitors.

And what's with those metal tracking tags?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 09:01 AM

Map of Walmart town
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/maps.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,bbc at work
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 11:33 AM

Because we filled out an application at our local store, Walmart gave my son a $5,000 a year scholarship for each of his 4 undergraduate years of college. That was a big help to me, a single mom, & I appreciated it.

bbc


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 02:09 PM

Jeri

I don't come here to debate.

I have pointed this out before. I come here to post opinions and my ideas and have no need tor desire to debate them. Too many here completely waste their time doing so.

Big Mick, you are a fat ass. consider seeing a doctor for your major butt spread. You are about as intellectual as your shorts two hours after eating a burrito.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 05:23 PM

Walmart gave my son a $5,000 a year scholarship

Ever hear the term "blood money"?

Suppose you'd be grateful for a scholarship from the KKK or the Aryan Nations, too? Might want to contact 'em...


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: RichM
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 05:42 PM

Martin, what you post are NOT opinions. As you pointed out yourself in other topics, you are only here to post drive-by insults...


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: LadyJean
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 01:32 AM

My first experience with WalMart was when I needed fake fur for the stuffed plague rats I sell. I called the store to ask what color fur they had. The lady said, "various colors". The various colors included pale blue, bright fuschia, screaming turquoise, and horrendous orange. Not good rat colors. I found this out after a 90 minute bus ride, and a long climb up a steep hill. I was umimpressed.
The WalMart stores I have been in look dirty and messy. They offer a small selection. Half the merchandise is stacked out of my reach.

Now, selling plague rats has taught me the following, If a person has $5 they will not buy a rat. If a person has $50, they will buy a rat. If a person has $500, they will buy at least one rat, and perhaps 2 or 3. But a person with $5000 buys no more rats than the person with $500. The moral of this lesson is that the best thing for business is a large middle class. The NeoCons haven't figured this out yet. I very much doubt that they ever will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 04:24 PM

RichM, it is my opinion that you are a complete moron with a bad fecal odor.

that is my opinion. It's you alone who takes it as an insult.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 04:40 PM

Speaking of bad fecal odors (and who should be more of an expert on that than Martin Gibson?), when someone does little but sit there cutting farts and thinking he's being funny (or expressing an opinion), it's best just to open a window and pay him no attention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Zoe
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 04:37 PM

I absolutely hate WalMart. Their policies with racial discrimination, and helping the Bush administration destroy public schools shames me, and makes me feel as though the clock has been turned back a hundred years.

Read this excerpt below for more information on the WalMart school policy:

The [Walton] family's immediate personal ambitions are modest: to destroy public education in the United States. To that end the Waltons, through their Walton Family Foundation and in close collaboration with Milwaukee's Bradley Foundation, literally invented the national school "choice" network and its wedge issue-weapon, vouchers.
It is the existence of the school vouchers "movement" that allows the Bush administration to savage and massively disrupt the nation's public schools while positing "alternative" forms of education, both vouchers and charter schools that often operate very much like public-funded private schools. "Choice" has become national policy under Bush's Department of Education, which has doled out more than $75 million to organizations birthed by the Waltons, Bradley and their allies.
Public education's defenders, already outgunned by the combined resources of the right-wing political funding network plus the full weight of the Republican executive branch, now await the deluge: an infusion of $20 billion into the Walton's private philanthropy, most of it earmarked for education "reform"—the euphemism for school privatization. At the usual rate of foundation disbursement, this would translate as $1 billion a year—a tidal wave of money, enough to reinvent the voucher "movement" many times over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 06:29 PM

Dog Genes. It's also my opinion that you are an idiot.

a complete idiot. Deal with it. it is my opinion and it is not humble.

guest, Zoe

Your quote has no credibilty. who knows from where you cut and paste.

I suggest you go down to your local Wal-Mart. They have the best price I'll bet on those extra wide tampons you like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 02:47 PM

Martin, the fact that you are the local expert on fecal odors indicates that you go around sniffing people's (and other creatures') behinds. Therefore, it's pretty obvious that you are the one with the dog genes.

Don't let him get too close, folks. He'll try to hump your leg.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 09:35 PM

Wrong and lame, Dog Genes.

I make it a habit to stay away from dog shit emmitters like your self.

Why don't you tell us how the dog genes in you allow you to lick your own balls? Do we nee3d to put one of those anti-blow job things around your neck to prevent you from doing that in public?


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 10:10 PM

Courageous "Martin"--

Please apply ASAP for a position as the top spokesman for Walmart. It's a job tailor-made for your skills. Your image is exactly the one they need to project for all the success they deserve.

Your talents are sorely wasted on us when they could be used to spread the good news of Walmart around the world. Your refreshing honesty, your amazing command of the language, your delightful earthiness, and your unparalleled diplomatic skills--you are indeed the whole package. Please don't delay--what's more you'll be able to finance that addition to your mansion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 10:22 PM

Really pathetic comeback, Martin. Your usual level of brilliance. Not bad, though, considering that you are at the bottom of a totem pole of putrid, maliciously malodorous wanton wretches on a ward of witless weenies. Speaking of weenies, why don't you go off someplace and play with yourself? Don't forget your magnifying glass and tweezers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 10:26 PM

Sorry, but I believe I am already making a fine living in business, but if the offer is good, I would take it and we would both benefit.

As far as financing that addition to the mansion, it's already quite big enough. but if it will help with college bills for my kids.............

Now you can go back to being a mime on a street corner and generally making a pest of yourself in your pseudo-bohemian fantasy.


Why don't you get a life and stop banging your head against a wall for something you can't control and just causes you heartburn?

Somebody has got to be the biggest retailer and you would probably hate any one who is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 11:57 PM

What is this all really about? I've lost track.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please WALMART needs your help
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 07:10 AM

"Martin"--

Whether Walmart would benefit, is, to put it mildly, unclear. But without your unique style, Mudcat would be much the poorer. Don't evah change. You're so useful.


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