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Tune Req: Outlandish Knight (Fred Jordan)

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Roberto 19 Dec 04 - 02:12 PM
Tradsinger 19 Dec 04 - 03:12 PM
Malcolm Douglas 19 Dec 04 - 03:31 PM
GUEST 19 Dec 04 - 03:33 PM
Matthew Edwards 20 Dec 04 - 11:40 AM
Roberto 21 Dec 04 - 06:03 AM
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Subject: Tune Req: fred jordan's outlandish knight
From: Roberto
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 02:12 PM

I'd like to get the tune of Fred Jordan's version of THE OUTLANDISH KNIGHT. Thank you. R


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: fred jordan's outlandish knight
From: Tradsinger
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:12 PM

Roberto,

I don't know the tune as such, but according to the Steve Roud database, it appears on 2 recordings;

a) Topic TSCD 600 ('Hidden English')
b) Rounder CD 1775 ('Classic Ballads 1')

Hope that helps.

Gwilym


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: fred jordan's outlandish knight
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:31 PM

More than two! I don't know of a transcription to staff notation, though, which I'm guessing is what Roberto wants.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: fred jordan's outlandish knight
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:33 PM

Considering the way Fred sang, and varied things from performance to performance, I don't think that there could be a definitive notation.

Learn it the way Fred did, by listening.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: fred jordan's outlandish knight
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 11:40 AM

And also on the excellent Veteran CD Fred Jordan: A Shropshire Lad VT148CD. I've been listening to his singing a lot recently and I'd say that he varies the tune from verse to verse, never mind from one performance to another. Its a superb example of traditional singing as he changes pace and rhythm to emphasise the story. Didn't he sometimes add as an aside how much he admired a farm that could stable "thirty and three" horses?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: fred jordan's outlandish knight
From: Roberto
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 06:03 AM

As Malcolm says, it is a transcription to staff notation I was looking for. The guest that objects that Fred makes uses of many variations is right, but that is true for almost the whole body of traditional singing. Nevertheless, there are good transcription, generally of a very specific stanza. R


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