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Origins: Dunderbeck

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DUNDERBECK
JOHNNIE VERBECK


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Johnnie Verbeck (Dunderbeck) (from The Boy Scout Songbook (USA, 1963) - not the usual "Rambling Wreck"/"Gambolier" tune)


GUEST,Well here's another version circa 1900 20 Feb 07 - 02:03 PM
GUEST,Bob Coltman 10 Feb 07 - 08:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM
Rapparee 10 Feb 07 - 10:58 AM
voyager 10 Feb 07 - 07:57 AM
GUEST,Ira 09 Feb 07 - 11:33 PM
GUEST,Leslie 01 Jan 07 - 02:37 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 Dec 06 - 03:25 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 29 Nov 06 - 04:03 PM
Vincent van - GO! 29 Nov 06 - 11:50 AM
GUEST,OMAR 24 Oct 06 - 03:21 PM
Charley Noble 15 Aug 06 - 01:26 PM
GUEST,Joe Ryan 15 Aug 06 - 12:33 PM
GUEST,kansas girl 07 Aug 06 - 09:34 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Mar 06 - 01:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,Well here's another version circa 1900
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 02:03 PM

This was sung to us by our grandfather 45 years ago...I'd love someone who knows THIS version to fill in the rest...Thank you. Kathy

There once was a Dutchman, his name was Doodleybeck,
He was fond of sausages and sauerkraut and spec
He had the greatest butcher shop, the finest ever seen,
???? Two lines missing

Chorus:
Oh, Mr. Doodleybeck, oh, how could you be so mean
to invent such a terrible machine
All the cats and dogs and rats, no more can they be seen
They're all ground up into sausage meat in Doodleybeck's machine

One day the machine got busted and Doodleybeck crawled in,
just, to see, what the matter been,
and Mrs. Doodleybeck, while walking in her sleep,
she gave the crank a heck of a yank and Doodleybeck was meat!

Chorus:
Oh, Mr. Doodleybeck, oh how could you be so mean,
to invent such a good for nothing machine
All the cats and dogs and rats no more can they be seen,
They're all ground up into sausage meat in Doodleybeck's machine


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:40 PM

When I was in the Army I had a buddy from Lowell, MA, a French-Canadian himself, who swore the song was "Johnny Babec."

Babec, Babeque or Babecque does indeed sound more like French. Verbeck sounds German. And as for Dunderbeck, which seems to be the earlier spelling, neither of us had ever heard it that way, or, at that time, ever seen it in print ourselves at all.

To this day I hear and sing it as "Johnny Babec."

Oh, and its tune isn't "Son of a Gambolier," either, though there are some superficial points of resemblance. Altogether sprightlier.

This ol' potboiler really has gotten around. I always figured it had to have been based on something out of Cincinnati,but then Cincinnati's an old joke. W.C. Fields would certainly insist it happened in Philadelphia, another good old German town.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM

Rapaire, thanks for posting the story. There are many articles, and at least one book, "Alchemy of Bones," that look at Louisa's disappearance and the trial of Luetgert.
I am not sure that the discovery of the rings and bone in the vat are part of the evidence brought forth in the trial, or added myth, but is does add to the story.
The poem was written long before the disappearance, so it is not a result of the Luetgert case.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:58 AM

Louisa was the murdered wife of "Sausage King" Adolph Luetgert, a German meat packer who came to the city in the 1870's....

After finding that his German sausages were well-liked in Chicago, Adolph Luetgert built a sausage plant at the southwest corner of Hermitage and Diversey Parkway in 1894. He was so taken with his own success that he also built a three-story frame house next door to the factory, which he shared with his wife Louisa.

Louisa Bicknese was an attractive young woman who was ten years younger than her husband. She was a former servant from the Fox River Valley who met her new husband by chance. He was immediately taken with her, entranced by her diminutive stature and tiny frame. She was less than five feet tall and looked almost child-like next to her burly husband. As a wedding gift, he gave her a unique, heavy gold ring. Inside of it, he had gotten her new initials inscribed, reading "L.L.". Little did he know at the time that this ring would prove to be his undoing.         

According to friends and neighbors, Luetgert's fascination with his beautiful, young wife did not last long. The couple was frequently heard to argue and their disagreements became so heated that Luetgert eventually moved his bedroom from the house to a small chamber inside of the factory. Luetgert soon became involved with a girl named Mary Simerling, Louisa's nice and a household servant. This new scandal also got the attention of the people in the neighborhood, who were already gossiping about the couple's marital woes.

Then, on May 1, 1897, Louisa disappeared. When questioned by his sons, Luetgert told them that their mother had gone out the previous evening to visit her sister. After several days though, she did not come back. Finally, Diedrich Bicknese, Louisa's brother, went to the police. The investigation fell on Captain Herman Schuettler, who author Richard Lindberg describes as "an honest but occasionally brutal detective".

The detective and his men began to immediately search for Louisa. They questioned neighbors and relatives and soon learned of the couple's violent arguments. They also talked to Wilhelm Fulpeck, an employee of the sausage factory, who recalled seeing Louisa enter the factory around 10:30 in the evening on May 1. Frank Bialk, a night watchman at the plant, confirmed his story. He also added that he saw both Luetgert and Louisa at the plant together. Apparently, Luetgert sent him out on an errand that evening and gave him the rest of the night off.

Schuettler also made another disturbing and suspicious discovery. Just a short time before Louisa's disappearance, the factory had been closed for ten weeks for reorganization. However, the day before Louisa vanished, Luetgert ordered 378 pounds of crude potash and fifty pounds of arsenic. The circumstantial evidence was starting to add up and Schuettler began to theorize about the crime. He became convinced that Luetgert had killed his wife, boiled her in acid and then disposed of her in a factory furnace. With that in mind, he and his men started another search of the sausage plant. They narrowed the search to the basement and to a twelve-foot-long, five-foot-deep vat that was located next to the furnaces that smoked the meat. The officers drained the greasy paste from the vat and began poking through the residue with sticks. Here, officer Walter Dean found a small piece of a skull fragment and two gold rings. One of them was engraved with the initials "L.L.".

On May 7, Adolph Luetgert, proclaiming his innocence, was arrested for the murder of his wife. No body was ever found and there were no witnesses to the crime, but police officers and prosecutors believed the evidence was overwhelming. Luetgert was indicted for the crime a month later and details of the murder shocked the city, especially those on the northwest side. Even though Luetgert was charged with burning his wife's body, local rumor had it that she had been ground into sausage instead. Needless to say, sausage sales declined substantially in 1897.


There were continual rumors about the content of sausages prior to the passage of the Pure Food and Drug Act -- and afterwards, of course.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: voyager
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 07:57 AM

Learned this song in an ORAL TRADITION way....
Sung by a group of Boy Scouts while riding bicycles on the C&O canal.

It was the ONLY TIME (in 10 years) we ever heard our BOY SCOUTS voluntarily sing a Folk Song.

voyager


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Ira
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:33 PM

I believe I heard Oscar Brand at the 1970 (?) Philadelphia Folk Festival (?) sing "To ever have invented the Sausage meat machine; The dogs, the rats, the pussycats, will never more be seen, for ..."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Leslie
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 02:37 PM

My grandmother sang this song when I was a child - the only part I recall is
"oh, Mr. Dunderback how could you be so mean?
I'm sorry you invented such a wonderful machine.
The pussy cats, and long tailed rats, will nevermore be seen.
They grind them up for sausage meat - in Dunderback's machine!"


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 03:25 PM

E. J. Kahn, 1955, "The Merry Partners," (The Age and Stage of Harrigan and Hart), mentions their play, "The Major" (p. 69).

In this production, "he introduced an immigrant couple from Ireland who had felt impelled to make the long trip across the Atlantic simply because their son, who had previously come to America, was on the verge of marrying a Dutch [German] sausage-maker."
This is the only comment on the content of this production (which was revived a couple of times). Production date not given.

The book is a meandering flow of unorganized anecdotal excreta, absolutely useless to one interested in the productions and songs of the Harrigan-Hart group. There is no complete list of their productions, little or no mention of the content of the productions, no index.
Many pages are devoted to gangs and immigrant groups of New York, stealing of a merchant prince's body, Hart's paresis (third stage syphilis), etc.; in other words background setting and color.

"The Major" is mentioned again near the end of the book (p. 200) in connection with the opening of Harrigan and Hart's (second) Theatre Comique in 1881.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 04:03 PM

The Harrigan papers, scripts, songs, etc. are archived at the New York Public Library. "Dunderbeck" is attributed to Harrigan and Hart and Braham, but not with certainty; the papers should be examined for the song. I doubt that any copyright still is valid, but they should be able to tell you at the NY Library.

As posted above, music was printed in Carmina princetonia, 1894, music essentially "Son of a Gambolier." The text had appeared in a Songster in 1876. Copyright Martin R. Dennis, 1894, in the Carmina sheetmusic, but he was a publisher of Carmina princetonia and other songbooks and the copyright would cover just his arrangement and printing.


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Subject: Lyr Add: DUNDERBECK
From: Vincent van - GO!
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 11:50 AM

I am just about to finally get around to releasing an album with this song on it, and I'm having a delightful time trying to figure out if the darned thing is public domain or if there is in fact, an estate it belongs to.

Strange situation:
The tune is mine / the arrangement is mine - and the lyrics have been somewhat modified to fit my style and sensibilities....
(trad. arr. I'd suppose...)
but I have no intention or inclination of claiming it as an orig.

Now here's what's real strange: Although a boyscout back in the 60's (in Ontario's northland) I never ever heard a version of this song.
In fact, knew nothing of its existence until I found a copy of the lyrics in a library book back in the fall of '93.
Loved the lyric, took it, modified it somewhat, wrote my own tune and arranged it, and there it is.
To this day, I STILL haven't actually ever heard anyone else sing this song...in any of its prolific incarnations.
The reason I finally decided to put it on an album? (It's got a pretty good tune, actually.)

My modified lyric:

There was a man from Pleasantville
his name was Dunderbeck
he sold a lot of sausages
and sauerkraut, by heck
he made the greatest sausages that you had ever seen
until the day he did invent
a sausage-meat machine
(ch)
Oh Dunderbeck, Oh Dunderbeck
how could you be so mean?
To ever have invented
such a terrible machine...
Now alley cats and long-tailed rats
will never more be seen
They'll all be ground to sausage-meat
in Dunderbeck's machine.

One day a little shy boy
came walkin' in his store
and he bought a pound of sausages, yeah
and he laid them on the floor
Then he began to whistle
he whistled up a tune...
Those sausages meowed and barked
-chased each other 'round the room...
(ch)
One day the thing got busted
The darned thing wouldn't work
And Dunderbeck, he crawled inside
to see what made it jerk.
His wife came walking in just then -
'cause she walked in her sleep
She gave the crank a heck of a yank
-and Dunderbeck was bleep!
(ch)

(a 4th verse that I left out...)

So if you have a cat or dog
you keep them under lock
'cause if you don't, I'm warning you
you're in for a big shock!
'cause if you buy some sausages
from Dunderbeck, right now!
You'll hear those little sausages
meow, and bow-wow-wow!


.........I always have been kinda curious to hear anyone else's tune for this - I'm sure the tune has trans-migrated and modified itself to death over the decades - given the age of the song.
My tune is sort of a 20's/30's ragtime styling - a bit like the carnival-calliope things we used to hear on old carousels - the kind with hand-carved horses. That's what seemed to fit, anyhow.

Joe Ryan's great-grandfather's version seems to be the one that fits the version I found the closest - and that has to go back to at least the 1880's or so.........perhaps this is close to what the original actually was.

I've always had a lot of fun finding lyrics and refitting them to roll off the tongue in a comfortable way.
'tho purists frown, I like to think of it in the grand old blues lyrics tradition - blues artists for divers' decades have been a-modifyin' and switchin' stuff to suit their own particular styles and figures of speech.

Incidentally - I remember back about 6 years ago wandering into a west coast kids' music website, and happening upon a forum where folks came looking for versions of old songs they'd heard as kids.
It was the most amazing thing - when I realized that the majority of this material had probably never been recorded.
I was incredibly moved - and somewhat sobered by how haunted these folks were - by the simple beauty of what they were trying to remember, and the way that the stuff brought back memories of their own childhoods (now long-gone) and certain loved ones they connected the tunes to.
It struck me right there - that this was a time, an era - long before the structured and commercialized commodification of a simple art, that belonged to the people, that existed very much in an oral tradition, and was handed down not to earn million$ in royalties and all-star status - but out of love that passed between generations.

Nice to know that in our Mc-Wally World - this can still happen.

cheers all -

jp


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,OMAR
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:21 PM


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 01:26 PM

Someday we'll get to the bottom of the barrel with this poignant old ditty,

It certainly was also a favorite in our household when I was supposed to be growing up. Our source was probably the family copy of READ 'EM & WEEP which has been cited above.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Joe Ryan
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 12:33 PM

As song by my grandfather in 1971 - California He learned it in south dakoate from his father.

Oh Mr. Mr. Jenneraback how could you be so mean
I told you you'd be sorry for inventing that machine
for all the neighbors cats and dogs will never more be seen
they'd all be ground to sauages in jennerabacks machine

One day a little fat boy
went walking into the store
he baught a pound of sausages and layed them on the floor
the boy began to whistle, he wistled up a tune
and all the little sausages wnet dancing around the room

One day the thing got busted
the darn thing wouldn't go
so jenneraback climbed inside to see what made it so
his wife was haivng a nightmare, she was walking in her sleep
she gave the crank a heck of a yank and jenneraback was meat


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,kansas girl
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 09:34 AM

This is the version I heard.

There once was a little Dutchman, his name was Johnny McBeck
He was a dealer in sausages and saurkraut and speck
He made the finest sausages the world has ever seen
And one day he invented the wonderful sausage machine

(Chorus)
Oh, Mr. Johnny Mcbeck, how could you be so mean?
I told you you'd be sorry for inventing that machine.
Now all the neighbor's cats and dogs will nevermore be seen.
They'll all be ground to sausages in Johnny McBeck's machine.

One day a boy came walking, came walking in the store.
He bought a pound of sausages and piled them on the floor.
He whistled up a whistle, he whistled up a tune,
And all the little sausages were dancing around the room.

Chorus

One day the thing got busted, the darn thing wouldn't go,
So Johnny Mcbeck crawled inside to see what made it so,
Then his wife came walking, came walking in her sleep,
She gave the crank an awful yank and Johnny Mcbeck was meat!

Chorus


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 01:33 PM

As noted above by Joe, it appeared in at least one Boy Scout songbook.
I vaguely recall a cartoon based on it, probably 1930's. Anyone else recall this, or is my brain creating pictures?

It is safely PD, unless you copy someone's particular version.


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Subject: Lyr Add: DUNDERBECK'S MACHINE
From: GUEST,JP Merzetti / Canada
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 01:02 PM

Howdy folks -
I've been doing this song since 1993 - found it in a library book.
Modified the verses somewhat, and the tune I use is entirely my own.
In actual fact, I have never heard this song sung by anyone other than myself. Although a boy scout back in the '60's - had no idea the song even existed until 1993.
Apparently -from the researchers here, this song dates back at least as far as 1876. (that's Custer's last stand, folks!)
My big question: Is this song a public domain item? (I plan to record it)...or is there a big bad publisher lurking somewhere?
Does anyone have any idea who originally wrote it? Would there be some semblance of an actual original melody somewhere? (I'm actually kinda partial to my melody now...)
Seems to me this song is a bit of folklore that's managed to survive for some time - handed down through generations, perhaps (long before folks who wrote silly stuff for kids ever thought of recording it.)

Well - here's my version of it. (you'll notice it's been smoothed out somewhat.)

Dunderbeck's Machine

There lived a man in Pleasantville
a man named Dunderbeck
He sold a lot of sausages,
and sauerkraut, by heck
He made the greatest sausages
that you had ever seen
until the day he did invent
a sausage-meat machine
[ch]
Oh Dunderbeck, oh Dunderbeck
how could you be so mean?
to ever have invented
such a terrible machine -
now alley cats, and long-tailed rats
will never more be seen
they'll all be ground to sausage meat
in Dunderbeck's machine

One day a little shy boy
came walkin' in his store
he bought a pound of sausages, yeah
and he laid them on the floor
then he began to whistle,
he whistled up a tune
those sausages meowed and barked!
chased each other 'round the room!
[ch]
So if you own a cat or dog
you keep them under lock
'cause if you don't, I'm telling you
you're in for a big shock!
If you buy them sausages
from Dunderbeck, right now
you'll hear those little sausages
meow, and bow-wow-wow!
[ch]
One day the thing got busted
the darned thing wouldn't work
and Dunderbeck, he crawled inside
to see what made it jerk
his wife came walkin' in just then
('cause she walked in her sleep)
she gave the crank - a heck of a yank!
and - Dunderbeck was bleep!
[ch]

Well, there it is.
Being a ragtime guitar player, I've given this thing a ragtime tune and motif, although interestingly - when it was first written, ragtime had not been invented yet.

Incidentally - being a student of history, I'm awful curious as to what happened to this song in America through the two world wars -
(strange I never heard it as a boy scout - we sang anything and everything back then, and some of it was pretty gruesome!)

cheers, folks!

jp


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,kathyozark
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 10:24 PM

I was curious about this song's history. I just started singing this song to my 3 year old daughter,its her favorite this month, my grandmother taught it to me from her front porch rocking chair. As I got older it seemed funny she would teach me such a morbid song. She was born 1916 and lived in Columbia, MO., she was orphaned at about 7 and lived around the state with several families and in an orphanage, so who knows where she learned it.

   These are the lyrics she taught me.

Mr. Jonnamabek (John M. Mcbeck?) how could ya be sa mean, I told ya you'd be sorry for inventin' that machine, now all the neighbor's cats and dogs will never more be seen, they'll all be ground up sausages in Jonnamabeck's machine.

Oh--One day a boy went walking, he walked into the store, he bought a pound a sausages and laid em on the floor, the boy began to whistle and he whistled up a tune and all those little sausages went dancin round the room --- hay!!

I always thought it sounded like a vaudeville tune making references to meat packing plants using questionable meats.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 27 Sep 05 - 11:33 AM

This (to the 2nd tune Joe O. posted for us from MIDI) became a camp song. I went to a camp near Keene, NH in 1953, '54. The 1st yr. we had a boys 1 counselor ("boys 1"=oldest boys group; 14-17yrs old approx.)named Dick Dran, who was sweet on the girls 2 (next younger group) counselor, Gerda. There was also a male counselor who supervised woodworking named Thornberry, so he became Thorny.

cho: Oh Mr. Dran, oh Mr. Dran-
    How could you be so mean,
    To ever have invented the childrensmeat machine??
    Now all the Glenbrook campers
    Will never more be seen.
    They'll all be ground to childrensmeat
    In Mr. Dran's machine!!!
I've forgotten the 1st verse, but something about Mr. Dran going on a mechanical spree and turning out the machine. Then we got:

v.2: Thorny went out walking--
    He walked into a store.
    He bought a pound of childrensmeat
    And set it on the floor.
    Thorny started whistlin'.
    He whistled up a tune--
    And all the Glenbrook campers
    Went dancin' round the room!
      (cho)
v.3: One day the darn thing busted.
    It wouldn't work at all.
    And out came Mr. Durango(seemed to fit the timing better)
    To give it an overhaul.
    Gerda was having nightmares--
    A-walkin' in her sleep--
    She gave the crank a helluva yank,
    And Mr. Dran was meat!!
    (cho.)
This camp had a drink; clear red liquid, fruity flavor, some sweetness. It went by the name of "bug juice". We loved it. We used to go blueberry picking on a hill called "Pack Monadnock", because it was close to Mt. Monadnock, I think.

Oh, the memories and faces swimming in my mind. God bless whoever brought this song up. Gotta go for the kleenex.       Tw


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: Bard Judith
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 08:35 PM

How odd and how delightful!

I heard this one from my parents as "Gunderbeck"... which may open up another whole can of wiggly mispellings, but hey... here are the few fragments I remember(oral transmission strikes again!)


There was a fat old German and his name was Gunderbeck,
He liked to eat his sausages with sauerkraut and speck...
(missing two lines)

Oh Gunderbeck, oh Gunderbeck, how could you be so mean?
Now pussy cats and long-tailed rats will nevermore be seen,
They're all ground up for sausage meat
In Gunderbeck's machine!

... (missing lines)
His wife came by and shut the door, her vision it was dim.
She gave the crank a heck of a yank, and that was the end of him!



Note that here he is called 'Gunderbeck' and is specifically German. The three foodstuffs seem to have hung on tenaciously throughout the variants, as well as the sausage ingredients, though!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 08:24 PM

Hi, Silvercat-

Look at our version of the song in the Digital Tradition, and you'll find two tunes:

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Silvercat
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 07:01 PM

I learned this song at a scout camp, and I've been looking for a midi file of it, but not the Original tune. I'll be checking back later to see if anyone has it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY MCBECK
From: GUEST,Guest, Jim
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:26 AM

I heard this as Johnny McBeck.

The first verse was:

Johnny McBeck, a Scotsman,
a thrifty man was he.
He built himself a big machine
to make his sausage free.

With wheels and reels and lots
of cogs, a sight it was to see.
As it bumped, and churned and the
wheels turned, McBeck would
laugh with glee.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Jonny Joe . . .
Date: 24 May 05 - 12:17 AM

While I was the second born in a family with five children and Dunderbeck was the only lullabye I can remember. My Dad sung me to sleep, and for the next 16 years sung my each of my sisters to sleep in turn.

The result . . . All five kids raised perfectly disfunction families.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 22 May 05 - 01:04 PM

The 1894 printing was the first C. P. to have the song. Than little 25-cent songster of 1876 is probably several hundred dollars now, but none listed by any book dealer that I can find.

The New York Public Library does not have a copy, but the Library of Congress has it. "Our Own Boys" songster.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 22 May 05 - 11:52 AM

I bought a copy of the Sixth edition of Carmina Princetonia (1887) so that I could have my very own early copy of "Dunderbeck" - nice book, but no "Dunderbeck."
Darn.
-Joe Offer-


Another thread has our hero referred to as "Mr. Donnery Baker:
    Oh Mr. Donnery Baker, how could you be so mean? I told you you'd be sorry for inventing that machine. Now (la la la) no longer can be seen; they're all ground up into sausage meat in Donnery Baker's machine!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 22 May 05 - 12:58 AM

Can you remember the verse?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 22 May 05 - 12:44 AM

I first heard Dunderbeck from my mother, in the 1930's; essentially as cited above.

However, I thought that there was a final "redeeming" or "moral" verse at the end, in which the "dogs and rats and pussy-cats" were happy now that old man Dunderbeck was dead.

Any thoughts on this?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 06:07 PM

The music in Carmina Princetonia, 1894, is essentially "Son of a Gambolier."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:32 PM

Brand's tune was "Son of a Gambolier" (alias "Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech").


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Subject: Lyr Add: DUNDERBECK (Oscar Brand)
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 03:22 PM

And I'll chime in with the version I have by Oscar Brand:

There was a man named Dunderbeck invented a machine
For grinding things to sausagemeat and it was run by steam
Now kitchen cats and long-tailed rats will never more be seen
They've all been ground to sausagemeat in Dunderbeck's machine

O Dunderbeck, O Dunderbeck, how could you be so mean
For ever having invented the sausagemeat machine
Now kitchen cats and long-tailed rats will never more be seen
They've all been ground to sausagemeat in Dunderbeck's machine

One day a little boy came into Dunderbeck-'s store
A little piece of sausagemeat was lying on the floor
While the boy was waiting, he whistled up a tune
The sausagemeat got up and barked and ran around the room

O Dunderbeck...

And then one day something went wrong, the machine it wouldn't go
So Dunderbeck he stepped inside the reason for to know
His wife she had a nightmare, she was walking in her sleep
She gave a yank and turned the crank and Dunderbeck was meat!

O Dunderbeck...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 05:58 AM

Hmm... As to the tune... In basic training Fort Dix NJ, 1960, I met a guy from Lowell MA, near where I now live, who sang me Johnny Verbeck as he'd learned it in his French-Canadian household. (He looked approximately like Henry Winkler, so you can picture it.) His tune was quite different. It strongly reminds me of some song, but can't place it. Great tune, though, used for both verse and chorus. In alpha notation, key of C, for the chorus as Oh, Mr. Johnny Verbeck etc.:

G E G 'E 'E 'E 'C, 'C 'D 'E 'D 'C A,

A B B B B B B B B A G G A G,

G E G 'E 'E 'E 'C, 'C 'D 'E 'D 'C A, (same as line 1)

'C B B B B B B B A G G G A B 'C

I love this tune, have sung it ever since, and can any of you tell me--assuming my notation is sufficiently comprehensible--what song it comes from?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:16 PM

Anyone who can get library access to "Our Own Boy's Songster," 1876, might answer a question that both Joe and I have. Is the author named? Is the text the same as in the 1894 "Carmina Princetonia? Fuld says that the song was written by Ed Harrigan, but we haven't seen any other reference. Access in a major library to books about Harrigan and Hart and/or David Braham could answer the question.

I have a copy of "Carmina Princetonia," 1894, and I copied this text of the song in my post of 04 Mar 05.

I will put the index to the book in a separate thread; several well-known songs had their first or an early appearance in print there, including "The Levee Song" (I've Been Working on the Railroad), as posted by Masato in another thread.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:12 PM

Jo Offer:

would "Our Own Boys" Songster (1876) and Carmina Princetonia (1894) likely be in the Princeton University Library?

If so, I have a friend who is a Princeton Alum and I can bribe him with Chocolate or something equally enticing to take a walk over there and look for us. I am having him look some things up in another Library in NJ regarding the Boxing and prize fighting songs. and since he lives a 10 minute drive away from the Campus, he might be willing to help usout. Just tell me where to direct him and I shall. He's going over to there later this week anyway to see the Man Ray photograph collection currently on display so maybe chocolate bribes will be not be necessary!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,GUEST John L in The Netherlands
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 04:14 PM

Great that you've traced Dunderbeck back to 1876! I've traced two copies of the 1876 book: Library of Congress (Washington DC) and Brown University Library, Harrison Collection (Providence, Rhode Island). Can someone near one of those give us the complete 1876 text? Anyone with access to the Research Libraries Database may be able to locate other copies. The details of the book are:

"Our Own Boys" Songster (25 cent song book no. 15)
New York: Robert M. De Witt 1876
192 pp., 17 cm

In 1976, a friend's father sang the version he learned in working-class Boston ca. 1935. My friend wrote it down and I printed about 15 copies (hand-set letterpress at the Pierson College Press, Yale University). Quite close to the 1894 version. Once I see the 1876 version, I will pass on any information that seems useful. I traced it back only to 1927 when I tried in the 1970s.

The name Donderbeck (modern Dutch Donderbek) is a Dutch joke, roughly translating as "Thunder Maw", suggesting he belches loudly. Speck can be Dutch (now spek) or German. Sauerkraut is German, but was anglicized before 1876.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 08:38 PM

Thanks, Q. I'll bet that text from that source has never been "reprinted" before.


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Subject: Lyr Add: DUNDERBECK (Carmina Princetonia, 1894)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 03:23 PM

DUNDERBECK
(Carmina Princetonia, 1894)

There was a fat old Dutchman and
His name was Dunderbeck,
He was very fond of sausages,
And sauerkraut and *speck;
He kept a great big butcher shop,
The finest ever seen,
And he got him out a patent
For a sausage machine.

Chorus:
O Dunderbeck! O Dunderbeck!
How could you be so mean;
(5)I'm sorry you ever invented
That wonderful machine;
For pussy cats and long-tailed rats
will never more be seen,
For they'll all be ground to sausage meat
In Dunderbeck's machine.

One day a very little boy
Came walking in the store
To buy a pound of sausage meat
And eggs a half a score,
And then while he was standing there,
He whistled up a tune,
And the sausages began to (1)dance
And hop about the room.

But (2)something got the matter,
The machine it would not go,
So Dunderbeck, he crawled inside,
The (3)reason for to know;
His wife she had the nightmare,
And, walking in her sleep,
She (4)gave the crank a h--l of a yank,
And Dunderbeck was meat.

* speck = bacon. Penciled notes (1) yump and skip (2) another day (3) trouble (4) gaf dot (5) I told you that you'd be sorry ---

Sheet music provided. Song copyright 1894 Martin R. Dennis & Co. No attribution. "Carmina Princetonia." The University Song Book Eighth Edition Supplementary. 178 pp. including Index, plus advertisements.
Martin R. Dennis & Co., 1894, Newark, NJ.

Still need "Our Own Boys Songster," 1876.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 01:28 PM

The songster is exceedingly rare.
I knew a Princeton professor, I will check and see if I can locate him (he is retired). He was interested in the school's history and may have a library.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 02:22 AM

I wish somebody could find copies of "Our Own Boys" Songster (1876) and Carmina Princetonia (1894) and see what those early versions looked like.
Any volunteers?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: GUEST,Tres1234@comcast.net
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 08:07 PM


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Dec 04 - 12:36 AM

Little variation is typical of a widely disseminated composed piece, but I have to agree in this case- why is there little evidence of this? The composers are well-known and their major work (Mulligan Guard series) discussed but nothing of the names of their German and African-American pieces in the internet that I can find; mention only.
Why no sheet music found? Harrigan and Hart were important in the history of vaudeville.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Dec 04 - 12:21 AM

To me the inresting thing is how little variation exists among the varios versions posted.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,Champagne Carol's SS
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 05:00 PM

You guys are really amazing! This is wonderous information!

I suppose my biggest stumbling block all along was the spelling. I kept searching for info on 'Dunderback' or 'Donderback' and there's enough there to fool you into thinking you have a handle on the song. Having never heard of "Johnny Verbeck" and having it never ocurr to me at first to look up every possible spelling...I never hit on the treasure trove of sources for 'Dunderbeck.' Incidentally, this thread comes up now when you search on any of the spelling which will be helpful to future searchers. It's nice to have all this in one place.

Q's info certainly solves a lot of the mystery for me. Doesn't Stilly River Sage live in NYC? Do you think we can bribe him with Chocolate to go and check up on this at the Central Library? How much Chocolate would it take or would we need something stronger?


I'm waiting with bated breath for the next development! I told my Sis about this thread and she wants a print-out for her references. She was stunned to hear how old it was. This was one of those slightly creepy songs that we always demanded from the elders but also were completely appalled by as children! We figured it was no earlier than 1900.

Speaking of bawdy..somewhere I have my grandfather's racy and bawdy parody of 'the Animal Faire" which I must dig out.

Many Thanks to ALL of you. and Q...I am in awe of your scholarly prowess!

Champagne Carol's Secret Santa
sorry to keep signing posts this way, but until Cllr and I do the big reveal, it's best to stay as CCSS in THIS thread. I'm working on a CD of my Grandad's work for her as a Twelfth Night gift and having mentioned Dunderback..well..the jig would be up if I used my Nick.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:31 PM

"Carmina Princetonia" went through reprintings and revisions from 1879 (114 pp.) to 1968 (185pp.), and I believe later (haven't checked thoroughly). I haven't looked at them, so don't know which ones include "Dunderbeck."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 09:06 PM

I was very amused to find a restaurant called "Dunderback's" at a local mall a year or two back. I never did eat there...

Joe: "Carmina Princetonia"...OK, you've got me intrigued! My grandparents lived in Princeton for almost 30 years and one of our close friends is a Princeton grad.

-- Gary


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:49 PM

Tons of stuff on Harrigan's Irish Mulligan plays and songs, but nothing much on the German and African-American.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 01:58 AM

Hey, I should have looked sooner at Fuld's Book of World-Famous Music. Here's what it says:
    The words (of Dunderbeck) appeared in Our Own Boys Songster (New York, NY, 1876), p. 6, under the title "Dunderbeck's Machine," to the "Air-Thomas's Machine." "Dunderbeck's Machine" is there said to be "By Ed. Harrigan," but this might also mean "sung by" Ed. Harrigan... The music and words of "Dunderbeck" appear in Carmina Princetonia...the book was copyrighted May 16, 1894
So, as Q says, this takes us back to at least 1876. Wish I could see the lyrics and tune from that date.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:54 AM

The tune has been used for a number of bawdy parodies, some of which are given in Ed Cray, "The Erotic Muse."

Cray, citing Fuld p. 516, comments that the tune (Gambolier) appeared in "Carmina Yalensis" in 1873, and "three years later was borrowed by vaudevillian Ed Harrigan for a textually unrelated comic stage song, "Dunderbeck.""

This would place the origin of the song in 1876.
Harrigan (died 1911)was part of the famous team, Harrigan and Hart. They joined forces in 1870 and in 1873, with David Braham, produced the first of the very popular "Mulligan Guard" series, a one-act vaudeville burlesque presenting a caricature of New York life with such racial groups as Irish, Germans and Negroes, playing on their speech patterns, behavior and mannerisms. David Braham contributed songs, Harrigan the lyricist. The Mulligan shows were prominent in New York, especially from 1879-1885, ending when the team broke up.
www.theatrehistory.com: Musical Theatre
The article extracted above was published in "The Complete Book of Light Opera," Mark Lubbock, New York, Appleton Century Crofts 1962, pp. 753-756.
Also see: Braham

(Now will someone go to the NY public library and check specifically for the song "Dunderbeck" in the Mulligan plays)

"The Pioneers," in Cray p. 228-230, and also in Randolph-Legman, sung to the tune "Son of a Gambolier," is in the DT. It has the memorable first verse:

The pioneers have hairy ears,
They piss through leather britches.
They wipe their ass on broken glass,
Those hardy sons-of-bitches.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 10:32 PM

Theer have been several songs on the theme of "steam technology gone mad." Besides "Dunderbeck," there's the bawdy ballad of "The Bloody Great Wheel" (not for the faint of heart). In that one too the inventor is usually destroyed by his own machine - but only after destroying (supposedly inadvertently) his insatiable wife.

Perhaps the earliest such song was that of "The Steam Arm," first printed no later than 1835 (broadsides viewable at Bodleian ballad website, and also at American Memory). That one involves a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo (1815)who pays a blacksmith to make him an artificial arm run by steam. The results are predictable. R. W. Gordon received a version of the song in the 1920s as sung by a man who'd learned it just before or during the Civil War, and Charles K. Wolfe picked up a fragmentary version in Tennessee in the 1940s or '50s. (A sequel, "Steam Boots," seems not to have been as successful.)

Besides playing off a then-familiar ethnic stereotype, "Dunderbeck" expresses fears of technology out of control. Compare Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" (1819). Twentieth-century examples are legion, of course, but few are as hilarious as Nick Park's animated tale of "The Wrong Trousers" (1993).


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderb
From: GUEST,Champagne Carol's SS
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 09:55 PM

Joe Offer..again...a thousand thanks.

By mentioning the dates, I wasn't suggesting that Grandad heard it before the person who collected it, by no means. I have been collecting long enough to know that actual dates are always hard to pin down and that the dates given are merely when they were first collected.

I just find it interesting that the sources for some of the earlier versions are more Northward. I have two articles that refer to this as an Ozark mountain song and yet that seems silly to me. A steam powered sausage machine in the Ozarks? uh-huh.

There is a collected version contemperanious with my Granddad's learning it. It comes from Quebec and Granddad did, of course, speak French and work in largely French-speaking camps. I've the idea now to ask one of the surviving widows of the men in the family if they ever heard a version in French. I'm also going to ask a relative of mine to poke through some handwritten chord & tab books that yet another one of the brothers kept of their repertoire.

He started writing them out in the late 1960's to satisfy the growing number of grandkids that all 12 brothers were starting to accumulate. As I recall, he was in the habit of noting when and where he could first recall hearing the songs. Until now it never crossed my mind to ask for copies of those. He was one of the few of the 12 who could read music and he would spend hours writing out Tabletures for mandolin in the hopes that our generation would keep up the traditional songs. There are a host of Pop songs mixed in that mostly date from the teens through the thirties. They might be worth looking at as well.

Truly I am in your debt. I asked a somewhat casual question and after communicating with family about this, we are wll now digging through our tapes, books and notebooks. In the past, We've found some lovely songs we had fogotten, some of them original compostions by the brothers or friends of theirs. Now that we are motivated, who knows what gems there are in those books!

Sometimes you just get sidetracked from the music and onto other family concerns such as Geneaology. We often forget that while we have no material family legacy to speak of, we have a body of priceless music notes and performances to catalogue. Then, we'll hear a song or someone will mention something that rings a bell and we head back to the family "archives."

I so wish Granddad had been able to write tabletures down since he was one of the most gifted when it came to Fiddle. His older brother was the best and they often played unusual arrangements of tradtional tunes I've never heard repeated elsewhere. Thankfully the bunch of us grandkids followed them around with Tape recorders when we were younger. We are working on burning CDs of those tapes before they all rot away.

Thank you again Joe Offer. I've a wonderful base to start from now.

As for the purpose of the song... I'm inclined to believe its ethnic humor as you stated. I'm enough younger than you I suppose to find that stuff distasteful on the whole, but Grandad's Generation thought nothing of it. The one type of song he would not sing in public, however, were Minstrel songs which went by quite another name. He knew them all and if you asked out of curiosity, he'd play them for you privately, but always with a speech. He was a dear man who is sorely missed.

I just read the 'what song at your funeral" thread and I have to laugh thinking of him now. He insisted on having a big Jam session-style funeral and got his wish.

In your debt,
Champagne Carol's SS.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Dunderback's Terrible Machine(Dunderbeck)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 02:25 AM

Hi, CCSS - you have to get used to the dating system used by the Traditional Ballad Index. Their "earliest date" is the earliest date of a song in the books covered by their index - but note that Randolph's source says he learned the song in 1900. If we keep looking, I wouldn't be surprised if we found an even earlier copy - but with such a variety of titles, it may be hard to find.

Is it an ethnic slur? I suppose that in today's climate, it might be viewed as such. Such songs and jokes were certainly common when I was a kid in the Midwest U.S. in the 1950's and 1960's. Oftentimes, it wasd a matter of "young moderns" making fun of their ethnic elders. I think of most of this stuff as harmless, but I suppose a person could read all sorts of animosity into it.

And yeah, when I was a kid in Detroit and in Wisconsin, I knew ethnic butchers who were fascinated with gadgets, people who might have invented just such a machine - or maybe the donut machine in the Homer Price story. I come from a long line of Rube Goldbergian engineers, and any one of them might have created such a machine. My dad is 84, and he's still coming up with crazy, complicated inventions. He has 17 patents to his name. He invented one of the first PCV valves - and if you remember the pollution control devices of the 1970's, you might recall how complicated they were.

-Joe Offer-


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