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Greatest war protest songs

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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jun 21 - 03:43 PM

John P: Songs 2,3, and 4 are for you! Numbers 4 and 5 need some updating.

Country Joe MacDonald - I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag


Tom Lehrer - We'll All Go Together


Tom Lehrer - So Long Mom (A Song For WW III)

Flanders & Swann - 20 Tons of TNT

Tom Lehrer - Who's Next?


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 09 Jun 21 - 02:40 PM

As an aside, during the cold war I had a poster on my wall that said, "If we're going to have protest songs for World War III, we'd better write them now."


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 09 Jun 21 - 02:26 AM

https://youtu.be/d-Zw1e1pmn8


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: BTMP
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 06:05 PM

I’ve always thought John Prine’s “Sam Stone” was a very powerful anti-war song. So many young men & women returned from Viet Nam and never got over what they had seen and experienced.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Elmore
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 05:16 PM

The post just above was Elmore, not guest. My bad.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 04:07 PM

The Ballad of Ira Hayes by Peter LaFarge, Waist Deep in the Big Muddy by Pete Seeger.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,Liane
Date: 06 Jun 21 - 01:21 PM

Did anyone already mention "I Ain't Marching Anymore," by Phil Ochs?

"It's always the old who lead us to the wars,
Always the young who fall.
Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun:
Tell me, was it worth it all?"


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,James Phillips
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 09:35 AM

One of the oldest, certainly:

Will Ye Go To Flanders as sung by Tony Cuffe/Ossian


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 05:48 AM

The fiddle and the drum.

When the tigers broke free.

Survivor leave.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: David C. Carter
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 04:56 AM

John Prine's Song "Sam Stone".

The Story of a war vet.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Raedwulf
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 03:36 PM

RTim - As a New York newspaper at the time assessed Jutland succinctly: ‘The German Fleet has assaulted its jailer, but it is still in jail.’ Jutland, on the tactical level, was indeterminate; on the strategic, it was a British victory. The Imperial German Navy never undertook another serious fleet action. The 6,000 didn't die "For What", for nothing. It should also be pointed out that German casualties weren't light; more than 2,500. Alas, that we fought at all! :/

As for "war protest", I side with HenryP. "My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity." Wilfred Owen. The most moving words you will find (and, being fairly placid as a rule, I am not easily moved) are the ones from WWI, in my opinion, when poetry was yet more popular than nowadays. My favourite is not one of the better known ones; not a Sassoon, Owen, Blunden, Brookes, Rosenberg; but by Ewart Alan Mackintosh. I've posted it at least twice before here, so I'll confine myself now to linking In Memoriam


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 03:30 PM

Christians at War
Written in 1912, just in time to prevent World War I.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 02:45 PM

Link in a thread I started:

Gorizia, tu sei maledetta


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 01:54 PM

The Recruiting Sargeant- The Levellers with the Copper Family


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 01:51 PM

Did anyone mention The King's Shilling performed by Karan Casey or the Richard Thompson composition "How Will I Ever Be Simple Again"?
The ones that focus on the innocent victims of war are the ones that hit me the hardest.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 01:41 PM

And a few from Buffy St Marie;

Universal Soldier
Moratorium - Bring our brothers home
Soldier Blue


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 01:29 PM

The Young'uns (my favorite currently active folk group) have a lot of anti-war songs; my two favorites are:

Three Sailors (spotify link)
Lapwings (youtube link)

As far as I know, both are original


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: RTim
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 12:00 PM

Les Sullivan's song - The Battle of Jutland.....6,000 plus British Navy dead and 105 years ago this week - And For What???
An example of the song:
https://soundcloud.com/tim-radford/battle-of-jutland

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 11:18 AM

In Flanders Fields; Coope Boyes and Simpson "The more we learn about war, the more important it becomes to sing about peace."

Peace has been a recurring theme of the powerful and distinctive singing and songwriting of the English acappella trio Barry Coope, Jim Boyes and Lester Simpson. It was the strength of their writing about the events of the First World War that led Piet Chielens, Co-ordinator of the In Flanders Fields Museum in Ieper, to commission them to compose and perform for the Flemish arts organisation, Peace Concerts Passendale in 1993.

They eventually took part in five different Peace Concert productions in Belgium and England, performing on former battlefields like Hill 60, among the memorials at Tyne Cot and at the request of the town of Passendale for their eightieth anniversary commemoration of the battle of Passchendaele. These experiences then inspired their words and music production, In Flanders Fields, which combines their own writing with the biting humour of the Tommies' wartime observations and music.

Songs like Jim Boyes' "Flanders" and Lester Simpson's, "Standing in Line" and Barry Coope's singing of "Robin's Song" were also the reason that the author, Michael Morpurgo, asked them to join him in concert performances of his novel Private Peaceful, with its message of the futility of war and, later, in the adaptation of The Best Christmas Present in the World, his story about the Christmas Truce of 1914. In Flanders Fields is the culmination of this involvement, bringing together newly written songs, existing and first time recordings of songs from Peace Concerts Passendale and songs and music of the "War to end all Wars".


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Jun 21 - 07:55 AM

"Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye" started out as a music-hall gross-out joke in 1867.

Strange but true.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Jun 21 - 11:06 PM

Thank you, GerryM.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GerryM
Date: 03 Jun 21 - 10:58 PM

At the Sam Hinton website, the page about Old Man Atom, it says,

Sam recorded Old Man Atom in 1950 for ABC Eagle, a small independent label.
Influential New York disc jockey Martin Block played the record on his show 'Make Believe Ballroom.' Overwhelming listener response prompted Columbia Records to acquire the rights for national distribution.
From all indications, it promised to be one of the year's biggest novelty records. RCA Victor rush-released a cover version by the Sons of the Pioneers.
Bing Crosby was reportedly ready to record Old Man Atom for Decca when right-wing organizations began attacking Columbia and RCA Victor for releasing a song that reflected a Communist ideology.
Buckling under pressure, both Columbia and RCA Victor withdrew Old Man Atom from distribution.
Old Man Atom is still in print as track #3 on Washington Square Memoirs: The Great Urban Folk Boom.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Jun 21 - 10:42 PM

There is an excellent write-up about the song at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vern_Partlow


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Jun 21 - 10:31 PM

Pursuant to the 03 Jun 21 - 10:12 PM post, the song is of interest because there is so much 'precious little' about it on the www. The song was released near the beginning of the McCarthy Era (1950-4) so it makes me wonder if it was hushed up. Does anyone out there know anything about it?? (I know it's not a great song, but it's certainly ahead of its time in terms of A-bomb protest.)


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Jun 21 - 10:12 PM

"Old Man Atom (Talking Atomic Blues)" Ozie Waters; song by Vern Partlow & Irving Bibo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlxqCoCzq1U

Lyrics are provided at the link.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: goodbar
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:00 PM

oh, no. you misunderstood me. i was listing a few of my favorite artists who do some great protest songs. among them was the band crass. i wasn't using it as an adjective to describe the bogle songs, but naming the band crass as another group that does great protest songs. sorry for not being clear.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 03:50 PM

Goodbar, you describe 'those other Eric Bogle songs others mentioned' as 'crass songs'. It's a matter of opinion. I don't share yours. Nor do a very great many other people. But that's OK because that's what the 'Cat's for - exchanging views. Got it now?
S:0)


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 02:46 PM

Small Potatoes' song "1000 Candles, 1000 Cranes" deserves a prominent place in such a list. And "There Were Roses" sung by our own Seamus Kennedy, among many others, Makes a profound comment on that other kind of war.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:57 AM

The first I really remember is "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye." But there are so many: for something seasonal how about Jonah Lewey's " Wish I could be home for Christmas" or John Lennon's " Happy Xmas, war is over."

And as to whether the songs fail; well there are more people opposed to war now than ever before but the dangers of complacency are as great as ever. There are always waves in peoples attitudes but it is important to keep the head of pressure acting in the right direction.
love Robbie


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: pdq
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 07:26 PM

Gordon Lightfoot's "Leaves of Grass" is polite and quite poetic but an anti-war song it is.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: freda underhill
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 07:02 PM

Nursery Rhyme

In 1916 during the First World War a poet named Frank Wilmot (who wrote under the name Furnley Maurice) turned his revulsion at the conscription of young people into this poem. It was set to music in the mid 1950s by Chris Kempster, and when he sang it at a folk session thirty years later, this led to Miguel Heatwole writing an arrangement of it for the Solidarity Choir. That version is on the choir's CD "Ten Years Strong".


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 07:02 PM

Good point Bob, but we must never, ever giveup writing and singing them.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 06:51 PM

Aforementioned "Business Goes on as Usual" is actually by the wonderfully prolific Fred hellerman & Fran Minkoff (writers of many of 'our' classics such as "Come Away Melinda")


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 06:46 PM

Songster Bob, I don't think this is an indictment of anti-war songs - more of human nature! Just as socialism has been called a great concept for the wrong people, too many human beings seem to be unable to grasp the concept of peace. I'm afraid we'll have to live with that, but it shouldn't stop people singing (and writing) anti-war songs.

Thanks for mentioning Mike Harding's Christmas 1914. (I know I'm in a minority but I prefer it to Christmas in the Trenches.) The Observer ran an article featuring the last known surviving soldier of the Great War, Scotsman Alfred Anderson (108 years); in its Christmas edition. Some years back another 'last' survivor was reported to have died, but they must have been updating their files.)


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Songster Bob
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 02:34 PM

There have been NO "Great" war protest songs, because we're still fighting 'em, so all those damned songs failed.

Dammit!

Bob Clayton


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: goodbar
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 01:43 PM

Strollin' Johnny,


what???


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 05:22 AM

I can't remember if anyone has mentioned Ochs' "There But for Fortune". That is a gem. Great lyrics and fantastic melody.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 05:20 AM

"Business Goes on as Usual". I think it was written by Silverstein and I know it was done by the Mitchell Trio (maybe even the Chad Mitchell Trio).


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 05:01 AM

A matter of opinion, Goodbar, but isn't that what the 'Cat's for?

Glad you're back GS. I'm brushing the words to 'NML' up right now.

S:0)


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: andymac
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 03:05 AM

Why are some of the best songs about the worst of subjects?
Here are some of my favourites though I'm sure there are plenty of others I've forgotten...

Childhoods End
The Writing of Tipperary
Eve of Destruction
Last Night I Had the Strangest Dream
Jimmy Newman
Grave
The Ballad of Penny Evans
Lots of Little Soldiers
Portland Town

Andy


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 05:29 PM

I find almost all anti-war songs unbearably mawkish.

One great exception is "When the Boys are on Parade", by NZ writer Marcus Turner.

If you don't know it already, try to make a point of hearing it. Andy Irvine has recorded it on his latest CD.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: goodbar
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 03:25 PM

a bunch of phil ochs songs, those eric bogle ones others mentioned, crass songs.......


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:44 PM

John. If you are going to sing that song on Friday....illness, aye nor death, will keep me away.....Looking forward to seeing you on New Years Eve..been a long time eh?? I have so missed the Folk scene whilst I have been ill.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:37 PM

"I Come and Stand at Every Door"


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Little Robyn
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:34 PM

From a different perspective:

Dead little girl of Hiroshima [I Come and Stand at Every Door]

Come Away Melinda

or more recent:

Where do you lie my Father [Whaur Dae Ye Lie?]

Robyn


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:19 PM

GS, me old mucker, I think you'll find Eric Bogle called his song 'No Man's Land' - it was retitled 'The Green Fields Of France' when the Irish stole it and claimed it as one of their traditional songs. Remind me on Friday and I might, just might, sing it.

Glad to hear you're on the mend old lad.

S:0)


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:17 PM

Have you heard Les Barker/Martin Carthy's "Such a War Has Never Been"?
I've often heard Les Barker dismissed as a clown - just goes to show you how disturbing clowns can be.

KYBTTS


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: Cats
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:08 PM

For me it has to be Poor Murdered Men by Jon Heslop


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:05 PM

Greatest war protest songs?

I suppose it depends upon which you think was the greatest war.


;-)


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Subject: RE: Greatest war protest songs
From: GUEST,Ravenman
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 02:00 PM

One that is not so well known; "Protocol" by Gordon Lightfoot.


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