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Baz 23 Nov 98 - 04:35 PM
Kernow John 21 Nov 99 - 05:12 PM
Alan of Australia 22 Nov 99 - 04:17 AM
Joe Offer 20 Nov 01 - 04:37 PM
Herga Kitty 20 Nov 01 - 05:26 PM
lamarca 20 Nov 01 - 05:37 PM
Joe Offer 20 Nov 01 - 06:26 PM
Jeri 20 Nov 01 - 06:52 PM
Snuffy 20 Nov 01 - 08:00 PM
Kernow John 21 Nov 01 - 06:38 AM
Kernow John 21 Nov 01 - 06:50 AM
lamarca 21 Nov 01 - 12:37 PM
Jeri 21 Nov 01 - 12:58 PM
Joe Offer 21 Nov 01 - 01:17 PM
Jeri 21 Nov 01 - 01:21 PM
GUEST,Kernow John 21 Nov 01 - 02:36 PM
Herga Kitty 21 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM
GUEST,Kernow John 21 Nov 01 - 02:57 PM
Desert Dancer 22 Nov 01 - 12:36 AM
Herga Kitty 22 Nov 01 - 02:44 AM
CharlieA 22 Nov 01 - 09:15 AM
Gervase 22 Nov 01 - 11:37 AM
Kernow John 22 Nov 01 - 03:50 PM
Liam's Brother 22 Nov 01 - 05:14 PM
Kernow John 22 Nov 01 - 05:41 PM
Jeri 22 Nov 01 - 06:14 PM
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Herga Kitty 28 Nov 01 - 05:38 PM
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GUEST,Brian Timins 28 Jun 06 - 06:45 AM
Cats 28 Jun 06 - 02:55 PM
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Hawker 07 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM
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Subject: ADD: Cornish Lads^^
From: Baz
Date: 23 Nov 98 - 04:35 PM

I thought I'd already posted this song but on searching through I can't find it so forgive me if I've double posted. Sing this at any gathering in Cornwall and you'll bring a tear to someones eye. (Mind you my singing does that with every song).

CORNISH LADS
(Roger Bryant)
Sung by Jinks' Stack on Second Time Around

Well Cornish lads are fishermen
And Cornish lads are miners too
But when the fish and tin are gone
what are the Cornish boys to do?
Well.....etc

From Newly town we used to sail
Through rain and mist and lashing gale
The mackerel shoals we hoped to find
And soon we've left Land's End behind
Well.....etc

We've searched the seven stones all around
But not a sign or shoal we've found
Round Island light is now in sight
But Scillies are a barren ground
Well.....etc

The winding engines used to sing
A melody to Cornish tin
And Geevor lads they all would grin
At pay day on a Friday
Well.....etc

The water now reclaims the mine
And young men talk of old men's time
And go to work in gold or coal
Or face a life upon the dole
Well.....etc

The hammer of the auction man
Is the only sound we soon will hear
And visitors will make the noise
And order drinks from Cornish boys
Well.....etc

We'll do as we have done before
Go out to roam the wild world o'er
Wherever sea or ship are found
Or there's a hole down underground


Well Cornish lads are fishermen
And Cornish lads are miners too
So when the fish and tin are gone
That's what the Cornish boys will do^^


Regards Baz


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Subject: Tune Add: CORNISH LADS
From: Kernow John
Date: 21 Nov 99 - 05:12 PM

When our last Tin mine closed in 1998 the words of the chorus appeared along the mine wall in foot high letters. Legend has it that the culprits were found, paint brush in hand, by the local police. The police read the words agreed wholeheartedly with the sentiment and nothing more was said.

I've been meaning to add this tune for sometime.
It doesn't look very pretty musicaly but it's the closest I can get to the sound. Take it slow and don't be to strict with the timing.

X: 1
T:Cornish Lads
M:C
L:1/4
K:F
C|F/F3/2FF|E/F3/2G2||!
B|AFBA|GFE2||!
C|CFF/F3/2|E/F3/2G2||!
B|A3/2F/BA|GEF2||!
A|AccA|BcG2||!
B|AFBA|GFE2||!
C|CFFF|EFG2||!
B|AFBA|GEF2||
^^
% Output from ABC2Win Version 2.1 f on 21/11/99

I've posted a midi to Alan of Oz.

Regards Baz


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 22 Nov 99 - 04:17 AM

G'day,
Thanks to Baz the midi is available here (click) from the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 04:37 PM

Any other recordings of this song? I'm sure I've heard it, but don't know where. Something makes me think maybe Dave Webber and Anni Fentiman did it during their concert tour last year.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 05:26 PM

Baz

I like the thought of Newly Cornwall, but I think an 'n' might have gone missing....

Kitty

PS Mike O'Connor used to come to Herga before he went west to Cornwall.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: lamarca
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 05:37 PM

Joe, Bonnie Milner (Mrs. Liam's Brother) has been performing this with the Johnson Girls lately - don't know if that's where you might have heard it...It's a boffo song!


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 06:26 PM

Another question - On the tune (click), which part is the chorus? The first part, or the second?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 06:52 PM

I've heard Bonnie sing this, but lamarca, didn't YOU sing it at the Getaway? It's Joe's fault if I go nuts - somebody DID sing it.

Second part of the tune is the chorus, I believe.


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Subject: Tune Add: CORNISH LADS
From: Snuffy
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 08:00 PM

I'm having difficulty with the tune - all those bars with only a quarter note in them. do all the "2||!" at the end of the line mean something like a fermata. if you delete them you get something like this:

X: 1
T:Cornish Lads
M:C
L:1/4
Q:1/4=90
K:F
C|
F AF BA|GF EC|
CFF A>>FBA|GE FA|
Ac cA|Bc GB|
AF BA|GF EC|
CF FF|EF GB|
AF BA|GE F2||

To play or display ABC tunes, try concertina.net


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Kernow John
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 06:38 AM

Joe
First part is the chorus, the tune starts with the chorus. I'll check out the ABC file. Although it wasn't written for "Cry of Tin" it was in the musical and I'm sure is included in the book. Just got to remember who I lent it to.
KJ


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Kernow John
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 06:50 AM

The ABC is ok.
With the exclamation mark it forces ABC to print a new line. The music then comes out to represent each line of the song. (not the normal way I know). This is the best Roger Bryant, the author,could manage when someone took it down for him. He doesn't read a note but writes and sings some cracking songs. Most of them just vanish as he sings them for a while and moves on, don't even think he writes them down half the time. KJ


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: lamarca
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:37 PM

Jeri - Nope, wasn't me - I like the song, but don't know any more than the chorus to sing along with. BTW, thanx to the elf who put the blue clicky to The Johnson Girls in my post above...


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:58 PM

So I was wrong about which part of the tune the chorus is sung to. I was wrong about lamarca singing it. I swear it was a pretty, female voice I heard. Now watch - it'll turn out to have been Dick Swain.


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Subject: Lyr Add: CORNISH LADS (Roger Bryant)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 01:17 PM

Considering the tune we have and the way I've heard it (wherever THAT was), I wonder if it would be better to put the lyrics like this:

CORNISH LADS
(Roger Bryant)

Well Cornish lads are fishermen
And Cornish lads are miners too
But when the fish and tin are gone
What are the Cornish boys to do?

From Newly town we used to sail
Through rain and mist and lashing gale
The mackerel shoals we hoped to find
And soon we've left Land's End behind


Well.....etc
We've searched the seven stones all around
But not a sign or shoal we've found
Round Island light is now in sight
But Scillies are a barren ground

Well.....etc
The winding engines used to sing
A melody to Cornish tin
And Geevor lads they all would grin
At pay day on a Friday

Well.....etc
The water now reclaims the mine
And young men talk of old men's time
And go to work in gold or coal
Or face a life upon the dole

Well.....etc
The hammer of the auction man
Is the only sound we soon will hear
And visitors will make the noise
And order drinks from Cornish boys

Well.....etc
We'll do as we have done before
Go out to roam the wild world o'er
Wherever sea or ship are found
Or there's a hole down underground


Well Cornish lads are fishermen
And Cornish lads are miners too
So when the fish and tin are gone
That's what the Cornish boys will do

Sung by Jinks' Stack on Second Time Around
Also performed by Bonnie Milner of the Johnson Girls.


@England @sea @mining @fishing
filename[ CORNLADS
JH

What do you think, John? the words of the chorus are never sung to the second part of the tune, are they?
I'm still trying to remember where I heard this song. I think maybe Jeri and Lamarca sang it and won't admit to it, just because they want to drive me crazy. I can hear the voice of Gordon Bok singing it, or maybe Finest Kind. Another possibility is Andy M. Stewart, or Dave Webber. Has anybody heard the song sung by any of these people?

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 01:21 PM

Joe, I vote for the way Baz posted it. It's more like the song starts with the chorus, then the chorus follows all the verses.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: GUEST,Kernow John
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 02:36 PM

Gotta agree with Jeri, the Chorus follows the verses rather than starts them. But whatever way round it's a good song.
I'm seeing Roger this weekend and he'll be thrilled this discussion is taking place!
If you want to hear the best version get hold of the 'Cry of Tin' CD and hear the author sing it. If you have an ounce of Cornish blood in you, you'll be strugling with the tear ducts.
KJ


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM

It could well have been Dave and Anni, because they go to Padstow every May and are friends with the members of Jinks' Stack. I will ask them. The place referred to in the first verse is Newlyn, hence my earlier reference to missing "n"'s. See separate but related thread on Cornish songs - the song is on the cassette of songs by contemporary Cornish songwriters, called "Silver Harvest".

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: GUEST,Kernow John
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 02:57 PM

Kitty
There is also a book of words and dots to go with Silver Harvest. You mention Jinks' Stack in your post. I see Jinks quite often but have lost track of Graham O'Callaghan since he made a brilliant CD with John Harbourne etc. Have you any news of him?
KJ


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 12:36 AM

Kernow John,

Having an ounce of Cornish blood, but dwelling on the left side of the pond (my great grandfather left Cornwall for the Australian gold rush, my grandfather came to the States), I curious. Can you say more about "Cry of Tin" and any tips on how one might get hold of it from Arizona, U.S.A.?

~ Becky (Nankivell) in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 02:44 AM

Anni just e-mailed me to say she and Dave don't sing this, but Graham O'Callaghan still does, quite often. The Johnson Girls sang at the Cornwall Fetival so might have heard him. Kernow John - Graham still gets solo bookings at festivals, so keep an eye out. I saw Cry of Tin performed at Sidmouth festival in August.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: CharlieA
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 09:15 AM

can i have the details of the cd please. having quite alot of cornish blood (and missing it like crazy) I'd love to have it. Cxxx


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 11:37 AM

The Johnson Girls sang it in the Middle Bar at Sidmouth this year and it was one of those magical, spellbinding moments with not a dry eye in the house. A wonderful, powerful song, fantastically sung.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Kernow John
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 03:50 PM

CharlieA
If I get it right here you go. Cry of Tin
If you don't have any luck pm me and we'll sort something out.
Regards KJ


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 05:14 PM

Well it is most gratifying to hear how this song is spreading. As far as I know, I am the first one to have sung it in the States (either by myself, with the Johnson Girls, or my husband Dan Milner). Yes, I have sung it at the Getaway, NEFFA, NOMAD, in the States and at Bodmin (the home club in Cornwall where I first heard it) Warwick, and Sidmouth, in the UK, and anywhere else I can to get out the word. (Sorry we had to cut it from our set at the Mystic Sea Song Festival.) Roger Bryant has a gem here. When the Johnson Girls sang it for him in Bodmin, it really was hard to get through it without a tear. It is important to spread the message of this song. It is a powerful song in its own right, but is particularly close to my heart. My own great grandfather emigrated from Cornwall (Calstock, specifically) in the late 19th century when there was a mass exodus of Cornish people (90,000 or more) due to the collapse of the (tin) mining industry. Now I had the answer to why my own great grandfather was in the mining industry in this country, first in Pennsylvania, I believe, and then in upstate New York. It was a revelation to find out that the last mine in Cornwall, Crofty, closed in 1998, not 1898. The three main industries of Cornwall were mining, fishing, and farming. We all know that mining and fishing are all but extinct, and with last year's hoof and mouth disease, the agriculture was also hit hard in that part of the country. Tourism is now it's main industry. Go there, visit, spend your time and money, and discover one of the most wonderful places you will find on earth, especially because of its people. (Being in NYC and asking people to come here in the wake of Sept. 11, is a similar plea.) Also, someone with an entrepreneurial spirit, should try to get "The Cry of Tin" over here in the states. Chock full of more great stuff from the very taltented Cornish writers. Keep this thread alive!
Fair winds,
Bonnie Milner


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Kernow John
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 05:41 PM

Bonnie
Great to hear your kind words of encouagement for my adopted county. We've all got our fingers crossed at the moment as there are plans to re-open Crofty. Roger Bryant as you probably know worked there until recently.
There are also plans afoot to turn the wall on which the chorus appeared (see first posting) into a Cornish monument.
KJ


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Nov 01 - 06:14 PM

There's a photo of the words and the wall here.

I should say that no matter how many times I hear this song, no matter who sings it, I'll always remember I heard Bonnie sing it first.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 28 Nov 01 - 09:02 AM

I might add, it is "Newlyn" town. Caught a glimpse of Antiques Road Show from Devon and someone had a lovely painting of two fellows fishing off the Cornish coast. The expert said this was a perfect example of the Newlyn school of painting. Fair winds, Bonnie


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: GUEST,BB
Date: 28 Nov 01 - 02:24 PM

I hope no-one's going to be disappointed, but 'Cornish Lads' is not on 'The Cry of Tin' CD, although many other brilliant songs are. It is, however, in the book of the show.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Kernow John
Date: 28 Nov 01 - 05:20 PM

Yes you are right BB I was getting confused with the book listing. My apologies all.
Now I am going to have to find my copy of Silver Harvest to see if it is on that. The grey cells are decaying at a rapid rate.
JK


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Nov 01 - 05:38 PM

JK - It is the final track on Silver Harvest.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: breezy
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 10:43 AM

also available on 'Rum n' shrub' shanty crew cd with whom Roger sings and leads the song. try little nigel on 01637 860696 to find out about getting the album by Cornwalls leading shanty singers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: GUEST,Brian Timins
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:45 AM

A couple of things... Roger Bryant(The Author) always starts with the chorus and then of course repeats it every verse. An excellent rendition of the song is done by the singer Mike Nicholson. You cannot get the CD (called "Soundcheck") in the shops but can order it directly from Mike at his Website. On this CD he also does the haunting "Geevor Lads" by Mike O'Connor. By the way, if you do order the CD, I recommend that you also order the other one "Stone by Stone". Both CDs deserve a place in the collection of anyone who likes either traditional or contemporary-folk-sung-in-traditional-style.

Brian Timmins - Webmaster: Cornwall Folk Festival


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: Cats
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 02:55 PM

As this thread has be re-opened, I can explain the link between Cry of Tin and Cornish Lads. Cornish Lads was not written for Cry of Tin but we used to do it, or Roger did with us all in support, as the encore for the show, after the bows. We did put it in the book but it was not on the CD. As Kitty rightly says, it is on Silver Harvest - both still available from MIke O'Connor. If you are still looking for the female that used to sing it and recorded it, who has the 'haunting voice' it might be me. I recorded it back in 2000 on our Not for Glory CD which had the photo of Robinson's Shaft, South Crofty on the front, and I have sung it for years, with Rogers approval. I did sing it in Canada in 1999 and did give copies of the words and dots to a fair few people out there and, of course, I have sung it all over the UK at numerous festivals.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Lads LYRIC ADD
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 09:26 AM

Look for Cornish Lads to be on the Johnson Girls third CD due out in 2008.
Fair winds.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: GUEST,guest jean
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 02:20 PM

Cornish lads is on The writings on the wall...the songs of Roger Bryant. enjoy!


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Subject: RE: ADD: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: Hawker
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM

And for those of you who can wait...... Cornwall Songwriters new CD is about to be recorded - without giving too much away, Cornish Lads will be on it, though I can recommend 'The Writing's On The Wall' too!
Cheers, Lucy


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Subject: RE: ADD: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: GUEST,Colin
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 05:54 PM

Rum and Shrub recorded Cornish Lads in 1998 on their Cd of the same name (Roger lead). It's available through our website www.rumandshrub.co.uk .


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Subject: RE: ADD: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: breezy
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 06:58 AM

Got it ,

great stuff,

who are Fisherman's friends anyway,


just a 'Rum n Shrub' tribute band no doubt !! he said,   [jokingly]


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Subject: RE: ADD: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 04:03 PM

Would you say this tune is related to the melody for Sweet Thames Flow Softly? Any other songs that use this melody, or part of it?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: ADD: Cornish Lads (Roger Bryant)
From: Marje
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 04:15 PM

Both are similar melodies to The Recruited Collier, which is a traditional tune. (It's in the Digitrad database here, including the tune).


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