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SHOALS OF HERRING


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Subject: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: GUEST,Konrad
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:35 PM

The Ewan Maccoll songbook is over the ocean for me, so I am interested
Thanks from the german sea-coast Konrad


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:40 PM

Digital Tradition Mirror
Shoals of Herring
[GIF Score]

(This score available as ABC, SongWright, PostScript, Lilypond, or a MIDI file)
Pennywhistle notation and Dulcimer tab for this song is also available

Shoals of Herring
(Ewan MacColl)
    With our nets and gear we're faring
    On the wild and wasteful ocean.
    Its there that we hunt and we earn our bread
    As we hunted for the shoals of herring

O it was a fine and a pleasant day
Out of Yarmouth harbor I was faring
As a cabinboy on a sailing lugger
For to go and hunt the shoals of herring

O the work was hard and the hours long
And the treatment, sure it took some bearing
There was little kindness and the kicks were many
As we hunted for the shoals of herring

O we fished the Swarth and the Broken Bank
I was cook and I'd a quarter sharing
And I used to sleep standing on my feet
And I'd dream about the shoals of herring

O we left the homegrounds in the month of June
And to Canny Shiels we soon were bearing
With a hundred cran of silver darlings
That we'd taken from the shoals of herring

Now you're up on deck, you're a fisherman
You can swear and show a manly bearing
Take your turn on watch with the other fellows
While you're searching for the shoals of herring

In the stormy seas and the living gales
Just to earn your daily bread you're daring
From the Dover Straits to the Faroe Islands
As you're following the shoals of herring

O I earned my keep and I paid my way
And I earned the gear that I was wearing
Sailed a million miles, caught ten million fishes
We were sailing after shoals of herring

Copyright Stormking Music, Inc.
recorded by Ewan Maccoll on Freeborn Man
SOF
    Note: this is an exact copy of the lyrics in the Digital Tradition. Please do not re-post information that we already have posted at Mudcat or the Digital Tradition. Such duplication makes it hard to find the valuable new information that has been posted here.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:49 PM

This was a   v e   r y   prompt answer, thousand thanks, brucie!!


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:58 PM

Welcome.

Konrad, "The Driver's Song". Do you have anymore information about it?


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 06:19 PM

You can hear this song and see the lyrics at "Cantaria"...just feed it into your address bar and click on "Alphabetical index".
It is performed a little faster on this site than usual but it gives you the words and the tune.
Best wishes Mike


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: GUEST,Konrad
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 06:20 PM

I have heard it on Maccoll`s CD "antiquities". I succeeded in the second attemp onForum/digi and got the words i search   from dave bryant, posted 27 March 2002, 04.59 AM.
with a friend I plan a maccoll radio time for one our, as he would be 90 years now.
My first contact was the railway BBC songs, I heard on car-radio.My grandfather was railway driver, so I am looking for those songs, there a not a lot in german.
Ciao Konrad


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: curmudgeon
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 06:31 PM

You're net ropeman,now,boy you're on the move,
And you're learning all about seafaring.
Scraps of navigation, that's your education
As you're following the shoals of herring


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: Noreen
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 06:43 PM

Hi Konrad, and welcome to Mudcat!

To save you a lot of effort starting new threads for each song you want, try searching first- see the Lyrics and Knowledge search box at the top of the page.

I put in ewan maccoll and got a page of results here at this site, which includes many of Ewan's songs.

Good luck with your plans!


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 06:58 PM

Konrad, whereabouts in Northern Germany are you, and which radio station is the programme for? To avoid thread creep, you might mail me at skw at worldmusic dot de. (Hang on, you're not K. Lappe, are you?)


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Subject: RE: lyr.requ The shoals of herring
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 11:37 PM

G'day Konrad,

Was the "... first contact was the railway BBC songs, I heard on car-radio ..." the very first Ewan MacColl/Charles Parker BBC "Radio Ballad" The Ballad of John Axon ... first aired about 1959?

This was about an English good-train driver who died, staying with his out-of-control engine ... after a steam-brakeline failure.

(Once, in a fit of idiotic obsessive mania ... I transcribed the whole text of that one ... I doubt that it's still on my current computer - but I did e-mail a copy to Mudcatter "Wolfgang" ...

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 06:44 AM

I still have the copy, Bob.
When I shall be retired I may try to transcribe all the Radio Ballads that are not in the McColl songbook.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 09:12 AM

WG:

Post it for inclusion in the Digitrad, man!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:13 PM

For what it's worth (and I think they're worth listening to), all of the Radio Ballads have been released on CD by Topic. Yes, CAMSCO carries them. $13.98 each.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 08:29 PM

G'day dick,

A wonderful bundle of little plastic circles! I was working from the CD, of course, when I transcribed ... doing that from my old LP would be incredibly hard.

It is interesting to have all those words to examine ... they are as interesting as the songs ... but harder to remember. However ... I think I'm going to waith for Wolfgang to carry on the work (retire ... what's that ... ?)

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 08:39 AM

Bob's work is already in the forum:

John Axon

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:12 AM

The song was discussed in the sesh last night.

The DT version has a few errors, and the last verse is missing.

The whole thing's here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x7zgIAWzuM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:33 AM

Bob Bolton. "Once, in a fit of idiotic obsessive mania ... I transcribed the whole text of that one." (The Ballad of John Axon)

A transcription of Axon, and of all the other radio ballads, is available here: http://www.setintosong.co.uk/index.pl?page=5;


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Subject: ADD: SHOALS OF HERRING (Ewan MacColl)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 08:42 PM

YouTube has a recording of Ewan MacColl himself singing this. I carefully compared the text in the DT to this recording, and offer the following corrections, shown in boldface:


SHOALS OF HERRING
(Ewan MacColl)

With our nets and gear we're faring
On the wild and wasteful ocean.
It's there on the deep that we harvest and reap our bread
As we hunt the bonny shoals of herring.

Oh, it was a fine and a pleasant day.
Out of Yarmouth harbor I was faring
As a cabin boy on a sailing lugger
For to go and hunt the shoals of herring.

Oh, the work was hard and the hours were long,
And the treatment, sure it took some bearing.
There was little kindness and the kicks were many
As we hunted for the shoals of herring.

Oh, we fished the Swarth* and the Broken Bank*.
I was cook and I'd a quarter sharing,
And I used to sleep standing on my feet,
And I'd dream about the shoals of herring.

Well, we left the home grounds in the month of June,
And to Canny Shiels* we soon were bearing,
With a hundred cran of the silver darlings
That we'd taken from the shoals of herring.

Now you're up on deck. You're a fisherman.
You can swear and show a manly bearing.
Take your turn on watch with the other fellows
While you're following the shoals of herring.

In the stormy seas and the living gales,
Just to earn your daily bread you're daring,
From the Dover Straits to the Faroe Islands,
While you're following the shoals of herring.

Well, I earned my keep and I paid my way,
And I earned the gear that I was wearing,
Sailed a million miles, caught ten million fishes.
We was following the shoals of herring.


[* I can't verify these place names, but they sound right.]

[Mr. Happy: I found no missing verse. Perhaps you know a verse sung by someone else?]


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Subject: DT Correction:The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 01:28 AM

Gee, Jim, you did that by ear? You got it almost perfect. I checked the Essential Ewan MacColl Songbook and made just a couple other corrections, also marked bold.

THE SHOALS OF HERRING
(Ewan MacColl)

With our nets and gear we're faring
On the wild and wasteful ocean.
It's there on the deep that we harvest and reap our bread
As we hunt the bonny shoals of herring.

Oh, it was a fine and a pleasant day.
Out of Yarmouth harbour I was faring
As a cabin boy on a sailing lugger
For to go and hunt the shoals of herring.

Oh, the work was hard and the hours were long,
And the treatment, sure it took some bearing.
There was little kindness and the kicks were many
As we hunted for the shoals of herring.

Oh, we fished the Sward and the Broken Bank.
I was cook and I'd a quarter sharing,
And I used to sleep standing on my feet,
And I'd dream about the shoals of herring.

Well, we left the home grounds in the month of June,
And to canny Shields we soon were bearing,
With a hundred cran of the silver darlings
That we'd taken from the shoals of herring.

Now you're up on deck, you're a fisherman.
You can swear and show a manly bearing.
Take your turn on watch with the other fellows
While you're following the shoals of herring.

In the stormy seas and the living gales,
Just to earn your daily bread you're daring,
From the Dover Straits to the Faroe Islands,
While you're following the shoals of herring.

O, I earned me keep and I paid me way,
And I earned the gear that I was wearing,
Sailed a million miles, caught ten million fishes.
We was following the shoals of herring.


from the radio ballad, Singing the Fishing, 1959.
Note: MacColl based the tune on that of a Scots traditional ballad, "The Famous Flower of Serving Men."

Source: The Essential Ewan MacColl Songbook, by Peggy Seeger (Oak Publications, 2001)



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recorded by Ewan Maccoll on Freeborn Man
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 04:52 AM

Jim, maybe Mr Happy meant this verse:

Night and day the sea we're daring,
Come wind or come winter gale, sweating or cold,
Growing up or growing old or dying,
While we're hunting for the shoals of herring

from Singing the Fishing (track 15 on the Topic CD). The radio ballad's text of The Shoals of Herring has a few more differences: the last lines of verses 6 and 8 are the ones from the Digital tradition (While you're searching for the shoals of herring; and: We were sailing after shoals of herring), and the Faeroe Island verse is missing.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 05:30 AM

"Note: MacColl based the tune on that of a Scots traditional ballad, "The Famous Flower of Serving Men."
I haven't gone into this at all, but Peggy told me that, certainly around the time of the Radio Ballads 'Famous Flower' (listed under 'Sweet William' in Last Leaves of Tradional Ballads, was one of Ewan's favourite tunes and he used it for a number of songs (never been able to discover which).
One of his practices with a new song was to choose a tune that might fit and wander around the house whistling it, making small changes until he arrived at a satisfactory form.
I saw him do this once while he was writing the 1968 Festival of Fools; I was trying to carry out some electrical work and he nearly drove me bloody demented with his 'under-the-breath' whistling.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 09:41 AM

There is a collection (7CDs) entitled "Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger Original Songs 1932 -1988" which includes the Radio Ballad songs and these have been reversed engineered so that actuality from the radio ballad that sometimes split the songs up has been removed, and what is left is only the song sung by the original radio ballad singers.

Makes for interesting listening - as does the rest of the material in the collection of some 160 tracks


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Subject: RE: DT Corr: The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,Tom F. (e-mail to Joe Offer) 29 Jan 2015
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 02:24 AM

Have something to offer: You have a couple of threads on The Shoals of Herring by Ewan MacColl. I wanted to find the places mentioned in the song (Canny Shields, etc.) and found a minor error in the lyrics as usually published.

"Now we fished the Swarth and the Broken Bank": Where is the Swarth? Actually it's the Swarte, which is one of the sub-banks of the North Norfolk Sandbanks in the North Sea, as is the Broken Bank. Took me awhile to find:

"The North Norfolk Sandbanks are the most extensive example of the offshore linear ridge sandbank type in UK waters…. The banks included are: Leman, Ower, Inner, Well, Broken, Swarte and four banks called, collectively, the Indefatigables. The summits of the banks are in water shallower than 20m below Chart Datum, and the flanks of the banks extend into waters up to 40 m deep."


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Subject: RE: DT Corr: The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: Rumncoke
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 07:36 AM

That 'sailing lugger' always gets changed to fishing lugger when I sing it - a lugger is a sailing vessel - lug sail - dead give away - so sailing lugger is

er

tautological?

Possibly - also a dead give away that the writer doesn't know luff from leech, not a clew, you could say.


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Subject: RE: DT Corr: The Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 07:48 AM

"also a dead give away that the writer doesn't know luff from leech, not a clew, you could say."
The song was made directly from actuality recorded from two veteran East Anglian fishermen for the Radio Ball;ad, 'Singing the Fishing', Sam Larner and Ronnie Balls - both used the term 'sailing Lugger' extensively.
Tautology is a common feature of vernacular speech.
Seems a dead giveaway that this particular writer is being somewhat clever-clever.
Jim Carroll


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