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Chords to 'All My Trials'

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ALL MY TRIALS, LORD


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GUEST,Judy W. 06 Jan 05 - 01:16 PM
s&r 06 Jan 05 - 05:59 PM
Amos 06 Jan 05 - 06:20 PM
Murray MacLeod 06 Jan 05 - 06:54 PM
PoppaGator 06 Jan 05 - 07:42 PM
Leadfingers 06 Jan 05 - 07:59 PM
s&r 06 Jan 05 - 07:59 PM
Amos 06 Jan 05 - 08:02 PM
Amos 06 Jan 05 - 08:11 PM
jaze 06 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM
GUEST,leeneia 07 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM
M.Ted 07 Jan 05 - 05:32 PM
PoppaGator 07 Jan 05 - 06:42 PM
GUEST,Murray MacLeod 07 Jan 05 - 07:07 PM
GUEST 07 Jan 05 - 10:17 PM
M.Ted 07 Jan 05 - 10:34 PM
GUEST,Judy W. 08 Jan 05 - 12:56 AM
John Hardly 08 Jan 05 - 01:43 PM
John Hardly 08 Jan 05 - 01:49 PM
Amos 08 Jan 05 - 02:14 PM
M.Ted 08 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,Judy W. 08 Jan 05 - 06:04 PM
Richard Bridge 08 Jan 05 - 06:19 PM
M.Ted 09 Jan 05 - 02:02 AM
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M.Ted 10 Jan 05 - 02:01 PM
CStrong 11 Jan 05 - 12:24 AM
PoppaGator 11 Jan 05 - 02:07 PM
GUEST,John Hardly 11 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM
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Subject: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,Judy W.
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 01:16 PM

Can someone please post the chords to All My Trials? I'm looking for "open chord" versions. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: s&r
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 05:59 PM

here

Stu


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 06:20 PM

I would suggest that the Gmin on "cry" should actually be an A#.

A


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 06:54 PM

Amos, I would venture to disagree.

IMHO the Gmin fits better, and I am almost sure that on Mickey Newbury's version on "American Trilogy", he played a Gmin (or whatever the relative minor was in the key he sang it in)

btw, Amos, what's with the "A#" ? Most of us po'boys call it Bflat *G* ...


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: PoppaGator
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 07:42 PM

I had forgotten all about this song, which I played years ago as a rank beginner. I'm familiar only with Joan Baez's rendition and can't hear any other version in my mind's ear. I remember that one or two chord changes were completely unfamiliar and foreign-sounding to me ~ I'm sure I had to learn the chords from some source; I doubt that I would have been able to come up with them on my own.

My guitar is still in the luthier's shop for elective surgery, so I can't try out the two versions discussed here (Gm vs Bb in that one place). I'm curious and anxious to do so; if I had the opportunity to try playing it both ways, I'd weigh in with my opinion as a "deciding vote."

By the way, I always heard that one particular line as "If *religion* were a thing that money could buy," and it never dawned on me that the correct word might be "livin'," which actually makes much better sense in the context of the next line, "The rich would live and the poor would die." Perhaps Joanie sang "religion" ~ if not, I suppose that was just one of my own personal mondegreens.


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Leadfingers
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 07:59 PM

OK Lets have a proper row about it !! The note (in C) IS Bflat so the note is in BOTH Bflat and Gmin but I would prefer a Bflat minor as I
think it sounds better !

Now all I need is to find that parapet to duck down behind !!!


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: s&r
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 07:59 PM

DT here says 'religion'

Stu


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 08:02 PM

same same,. murray. i'll try it both ways and get back to ya later. like poppagaotr i have Joanie's version firmly implanted in my brain.

amos


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 08:11 PM

Here's what it is -- the Bb is the flatted 7th chord, in C, and the Gm is its relative minor. When you play one way against the othe,r it seems to me, the Bb provides a morte distinct dissonance in that strange way that flatted 7th chords have, that then cleanly resolves in the next line. If you use the relative minor (Gm, in C) the dissonnance is sweeter and its resolution less clear and clean-edged, if that makes sense. So I am in favor of the plain Bb.

An example of the same dissonance and how it resolves is the bouncing between G and F in playing "Shady Grove" in the key of G. IN this case it is the F that is the flatted seventh of the G scale.

But I think in the final analysis it is a matter of opinion and chacum a son mauvais gout!!

Regards,

A


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: jaze
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM

Poppagator, Joan Baez sings "livin". She had a way of making songs her own and this is one of the best examples.


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM

In case any mountain dulcimer players are reading this - you can play this in D-A-A very easily. The first line simply goes up the dulcimer one fret at a time, and the rest is quite simple. Very cool. You skip the 6 1/2 fret.


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: M.Ted
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 05:32 PM

To each his own said the lady as she kissed the pig--but I vote for the G minor--and it isn't a dissonance, Amos--the melody about as straight ahead an example of an ascending Dominant scale as you will ever find in a song(though some would call it a mixolydian mode)--


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: PoppaGator
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 06:42 PM

If religion were a thing that money could buy,

the rich could divorce, buy an expensive annulment from the Vatican, remarry, and remain in the state of grace,

and the poor would be condemned to eternal hellfire for living in sin with an unsanctioned second spouse!

Sorry about the thread drift -- perhaps this is an inside joke that only disaffected ex-Catholics can appreciate. I find it hard to believe that anyone actually buys into that particular racket. But enough on that!

On the one-chord-vs-the-other controversy, either must be OK since the melody note is included in both alternatives. Amos' description seems like a reasonable attempt to describe the elusive difference between two musical "feelings," whether or not every term is technically correct. I could add my own minor quibble: Gm is not the relative minor to C, because Am is. But Gm bears *some* definable relationship to the key of C major, since it does occasionally pop up in that key. So does Bb minor ~ certainly more often than does Bb major ~ since Bb minor is the relative minor of, and sounds similar to, F major, which is the subdominant chord in the key of C.

So I guess I'll be trying out three alternatives (Gm, Bbm, & Bb), not just the two ~ if I ever get the $#%^*& guitar back from the shop!


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,Murray MacLeod
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 07:07 PM

..."the dissonance is sweeter and its resolution less clear and clean-edged" ...

Pace M.Ted's eagle-eyed swoop on "dissonance", that is a fairly evocative description of the effect of Gmin v Bflat.

My feeling is that the lack of clarity and clean-edgedness in the Gmin actually suits the world-weary feeling of the song better than the more assertive, "wake-up" impact of the BFlat.

But hey, as you say, it's all about opinions. One thing for sure however, there is no place for a BFlat minor chord there ...


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 10:17 PM

Play it in g meself


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: M.Ted
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 10:34 PM

If you play the change to Bb with too much gusto(to be fair, Bb is the melody note), listeners will apprehend that you're about to break into"Ol" Joe Clark" and will begin to slap their knees in a manner at odds with the mood of the song--not a pretty sight-


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,Judy W.
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:56 AM

Guest,

Could you type out the song in G (the way you play it) for me?


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:43 PM

split the dif, folks. It's Gm7. 'zackly half-way betwixt Bb and Gm.

And it's (just as MTed -- who is rarely, if ever wrong on matters of chords, I might add) a walk-down progression from the I's bassline. Furthermore, it's played 3X333X.

And if you wanna do a finger-bustin' but bitchin' contemporary haunting sound, sub these'ns and change it from a whiney fingerpicker to an angry strummer (don't forget to grimace)...

C = 33X013
Gm = 6X3366
F = 133X11/133211 (hammer-on)
Am = X02200/X0221 (hammer-on)


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:49 PM

Following the same chords listed in the link above, in G...

C=G
Gm=Dm
Am=Em
F=C
Dm=Am
G=D


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 02:14 PM

What I meant to say, if I did not, was that Gm is the rel minor to the flatted 7th of Bb.

A


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: M.Ted
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM

What really is happening in the song is fairly simple--the melody, in the key of C, moves to a Bb--when something like this usually happens, we simply harmonize it with a C7 chord, or, if we want to be a bit more jazzy, a C9--The Gm chord can be substituted for a C9 for the simple reason that a C9 chord(C-E-G-Bb-D) is really a combination of a C (C-E-G) and a Gm (G-Bb-D)--The Bb is simply a major chord build on the melody note, which you can often do when the note falls on a one of the dominant beats in the measure(meaning, usually, the first or the third)--

When you go from a C to a C7, you are really moving from the key of C to the key of F(which is why we often move to the C7 when we are passing to an F chord)--of course, the Bb is the subdominant chord in the key of F, and the Bb note is on the dominant beat, so it is a fair choice to build a chord on it, as well--so it comes down to a matter of taste--


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,Judy W.
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:04 PM

The G minor chord isn't working for my fingers at this time. I was hoping to avoid it, and play a more simplified version (if there is one.) Would putting a capo on a certain fret help me to avoid the G minor chord I've been working on for two days? Help please :)


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:19 PM

It's a blues. Don't prettify. C Bflat F and G. All majors.


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:02 AM

Don't see how it's a blues---


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:55 PM

Well, not a 12-bar, obviously


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:23 PM

Judy W., using a capo won't really help, since you can't put it on for just one chord. I don't believe any other key would provide an easier set of chords to play -- if you find a key where that one "non-standard" chord is an easy first-position three-finger chord, you'll find that one of more of the *other* chords in the song will be a knucklebuster.

To do the song at all, you'll probably have to stick with the key-of-"C" chord shapes (with or without a capo to raise the pitch) and then decide between Gm or Bb for that one chord in question. Either one works, both are "correct," and you can make your choice either based on their repsective sounds or based on what you're better able to make your hands do.

For my money, both alternatives are easier as play as barre chords than with four fingers (i.e., either is pretty difficult to play even as a "non-barre" chord).


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:28 PM

blues?


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:01 PM

Tranpsose it to D--then the change will be D to Am(or C, if you are so inclined)--just move all the chords up one step (c to D, G to A) and you'll have it--

This song doesn't have any of the qualities of the blues--no swing rhythm, none of the measure structures, either 12 or 8, non of the call/response repetition, and no blue notes--and, further more, if I remember, it changes meter--the first part being an odd straight 6(Hush little baby don't you cry)--the "All My Trials" being in a more conventional 4--

Now,admittedly, I have never heard a folkloric version, which would likely be different, but I wouldn't know what way it would be different--


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: CStrong
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:24 AM

Even better with Am7, and in drop D.


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: PoppaGator
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:07 PM

M. Ted -- the man knows his chords and keys, for sure! I feel kinda stupid not to have realized that transposing from C up to D would make it all so very much easier.

What's a "folkloric version"?


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,John Hardly
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM

nice suggestion, CStrong.


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: GUEST,MTed, sans cookie
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 08:46 PM

I just meant a field recording or even a recording by traditional singers--


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Subject: RE: Chords to 'All My Trials'
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 01:10 PM

Thanks, Ted. Maybe a field recording, etc., would be unaccompanied -- no chords at all!

I'm hoping GUEST Judy W checked back in and took your advice about playng this tune in D. Sure makes it easier.


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