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John Denver - 60's Folk Singer

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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: JeremyC
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 02:19 PM

I like John Denver, even if I only like a handful of his songs. I don't know whether he BELIEVED what he sang, but what I like about him is that you can hear the joy and love of music in his voice. I can't think of a single other performer with that exuberant quality.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: guitar
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 10:15 PM

i saw John denver when I was Glasgow with my father, and then the following week he died.

great loss

Tom


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:34 PM

As I've written somewhere before on the Cat, John Denver was my musician brother's favorite performer and he and my sister in law took in all of JD's concerts within three hours' drive.

If there really is an afterlife, I hope that my brother and John Denver finally got to play together. :)


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: bubblyrat
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:15 PM

Poor old John !! I wonder how many of you Armchair Critics would have had the the COURAGE to walk up to him and make all the spiteful,hateful,resentful,jealous remarks you"re so keen to make now that he"s dead ?? Personally, I enjoyed his music.I liked his guitar-playing,I liked most of his songs,and I found his voice pleasing to the ear. What he did at home,with his wife,how much he drank,whether or not he lost his temper ,or was "difficult ",or egotistical,or had buried gasoline tanks, or plagiarised other people"s work,or had sex with polar bears, WHO CARES ??? Are you all so perfect?? Really ?? Let"s hear some of YOUR songs !! Let"s have all the details about YOUR personal relationships !!Let"s all find out about YOUR addictions,YOUR weaknesses ,YOUR problems !! Let"s all criticise YOU ----OK ???


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: freightdawg
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 08:26 PM

Hello GuestJoniBlueEyes,

For starters I would look on your local tv public broadcasting station's web site and see if they are offering any of his concerts in their fund raising. There are at least three of his "fundraisers" that I know of - his Wildlife concert, a documentary of his environmentalism filmed shortly before his untimely death and a new one I just recently saw entitled "A Song's Best Friend: John Denver" You can get those DVDs from your PBS station for a donation. Another place you might get a copy of the wildlife concert is by contacting the Wildlife Conservation Society at 1-800-4-Wildlife. It was the wildlife preservation group that JD thought was doing the most in protecting habitat and wildlife. And, of course, there is the local Borders, Hastings, Waldenbooks, etc., where you might locate a DVD in the musical concert section of the store.

Freightdawg


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,JoniBlueEyes1014@aol.com
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 01:36 PM

I live in St.Louis and was wondering if anyone would know if there is a place to get some of his T.v. specials or concerts? thanks


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 04:27 AM

Loved his music, miss him greatly.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,John Denver's Legacy
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:18 PM

I saw John in small venues before he was famous and in huge arenas.He played a tiny club called The Drinking Gourd in Redondo Beach around 1967. I saw him at the Hollywood Bowl when he was famous. He basically was a folk musician who tapped a pop vein and rode it all long time. John underated as a guitarist and always did a few folk ballads in his concerts. He may have had drinking and drug problems, but he lived at a time when that was expected from performers. He wrestled with his demons and his relationaships like all of us do.
His environalmental snsitivity will be sadly missed. Right up to the end of his life he was woking to save wild places and endangered animals. He wanted to keep Big Oil out of the Alsakan Wildlife Reguge.
His felicity with words, rhythm, and melody have left us songs that if not exactly classics, will outlive most of today's pop songs by decades, simpley because they were so universal and simple at the same time. His stage persona turned off many auditors, but basically he was a good-hearted American farm boy with a musical gift. His detractors generally regard him as insipid and unengaged, but he was really totally committed to his both his music and his conservation.
All John wanted his whole life was a family, and when he couldn't have one naturally he adopted the American Public. Just when an icon becomes recognized, we realize that icons are truly irreplacable. What a loss!


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Pistachio
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 05:13 PM

Lizzie - I wish I'd written ..."HE LET ME SOAR WITH EAGLES, HE LET ME STAND UPON 'CATHEDRAL MOUNTAINS' HE TOOK ME OUT INTO THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS...TO MONTANA...HE MADE ME FEEL SAD, HAPPY, ANGRY, INQUISITIVE.....ALL THE THINGS THAT A GREAT SONGWRITER IS ABLE TO MAKE SOMEONE FEEL.... Your words explain it all so clearly - and I listened to Goodbye again this morning, Jet plane too - JD's honesty, his sorrow, his life was poured out in his songs and I am so glad I was able to kick start my guitar playing and singing with his 'EASY TO PLAY, FUN TO SING' songs. (Thanks M Ted)
Gone too soon - what more might he have achieved?

Back to the turntable for more.
H.x


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: M.Ted
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:46 AM

I understood what you were saying, weelittledrummer--

For those of us who have played "folk" music for a living, John Denver was a great man. He wrote four or five songs that were easy to play on the guitar, fun to sing, and could always be counted on for a round of applause, money in the hat,etc.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Essex Girl
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 08:45 AM

I have many LP's (shows my age) of John Denver, but I have recently started replacing them with CD's so I can play them in the car. His death was premature.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: freightdawg
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 11:36 PM

Wow, Lizzie...that was beautiful. I am deeply moved by JD's music, and as I age I find myself drawn more deeply into his metaphors and meanings in life. As with so many performers, John died way too early. But few of us will ever get half as much out of life as he did, or put back a quarter of the amount he gave to others. I will be in his debt as long as I can sing.

Freightdawg


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 03:52 PM

Sorry...pressed 'submit' when I meant to press 'preview'....please imagine the 'ever to go to China' bit isn't there. Woops!! (Don't you just hate it when you do that!)

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 03:48 PM

Haven't a clue if he was a republican or not Tim, not that it matters or that anyone will ever know how John Denver voted. What is important is the music and the man.

John sold more records than The Beatles, ever go to China.... he did a vast amount for charities, for the hungry and the environment. He was also deeply loved by many, many people, some of whom still carry on his beloved Windstar Foundation for him:

http://www.wstar.org/

He put in a huge amount of work and I believe, his own money, to ensure it would remain the way it was supposed to...free and wild...and to educate children and adults too, in what we're doing to our planet. If you read up about him, you'll find that he felt very guilty that his fame 'put Colorado on the map' and opened the door for the builders and the planners to move in....that it became some sort of Mecca, because of his songs. He was often happiest out in the mountains entirely on his own.

Yes he had problems in his life, mainly drink, which led him into some truly ghastly places...but he had the courage to admit it...and in the end he and Annie became friends again. It sent him to hell and back. I remember seeing him on TV over here in England a year or two before he died and he was talking about his problems...he made no excuses for himself at all. The happy-go-lucky YeeHa! John had gone....and in his place there was a deep-thinking man, quietly talking about his failings, his family and his hopes for the future.

His music played a very important part in my early life. I loved the gentleness in his songs. I loved the way he sang about nature...I loved the way he teamed up with Jacques Cousteau and The Calypso team. I was lucky enough to see him live twice, once at The London Palladium and once at Wembley, along with many thousands of other people. He let me soar with eagles, he let me stand upon 'cathedral mountains' he took me out into The Rocky Mountains...to Montana...he made me feel sad, happy, angry, inquisitive.....all the things that a great songwriter is able to make someone feel.

Leaving On A Jet Plane must mean a HUGE amount to many performers...who feel this urgent need to take their music to as many people as possible, whilst knowing they have to leave their families behind them. Annie was desperate for him to stay...he knew he had to go and it tore them apart. But if he hadn't done it...none of the messages on this board would probably ever have been written. In fact, you could almost say that we were all part of the reason that John Denver took to drinking in the first place. Now there's a new way of looking at things!

Love him or hate him....John Denver had a huge impact on very many people. I was deeply saddened by the personal things that befell him and his family, but at least things had become bearable again at the end. A man who knew much sadness in his life, whilst bringing much happiness to hundreds of thousands too. What a dilemma for anyone to face....A voice which tells you to 'stay' and a voice which tells you to 'go'......

Read his words in 'Goodbye Again' and it's easy to see why things started to go so wrong for him:

Do you choose to remember a man for his faults? Or for his achievements? Perhaps reading this may help:

http://www.wstar.org/Windstar/Org/JD/john.htm

I'm very glad that I was lucky enough to grow up with his music. I wish he were still here, along with Harry Chapin, who was mentioned above:

http://harrychapinmusic.com/chapin_site2/home/chapinhp_frm.html

.....We so need people who care about others and about our world..

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 02:27 PM

GUEST, Tim I may have made a mistake if THIS SITE is correct. I remember seeing him with Reagan quite a lot, and made an assumption. In fact I set out to prove this to the forum, and may have proved myself wrong. He was certainly an avid environmentalist, and the list of his contributions sure seems to indicate that he was an independent with a strong Democratic leaning.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Tim
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 11:01 AM

So was he or was he not a republican? Just curious.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Pistachio
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 10:44 AM

Yes 'open mike' I don't have the technology to copy all my old LP's, nor the cash to replace them (if CD's of my obscure collection even exist) so the old 'Pioneer' hi-fi sits in the corner of my dining room and opens up the past for me every now and then. PS I've got to get my christmas cards on the go now so I'll get JD on the turntable and get started!
Regards
H.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: open mike
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 10:37 AM

wow--someone who still has a record player...and uses it!!


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Arkie
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 12:44 PM

I had the good fortune to see John Denver live on two occasions. Once at the Philadelphia Folk Festival where he did a solo spot and later with a band after he had become a star. The former concert appealled to me more, but both were memorable occasions. Denver had charisma on stage and his ability as a songwriter, singer, and guitarist have already been eloquently stated. When he was in his prime he was a formidable performer, and many of his songs will be around for a while.

To focus on a few character flaws whether real or misunderstood is an injustice to one who brought so much pleasure through his music. After all, he was a member of the human species and a musician, not a god and he did lend his name to some worthwhile causes. I cannot help but believe Denver's wholesome image and commercial success have provoked some of the negativity.   That said, I do not want to suggest that being famous or talented are reasons for condoning unacceptable behavior.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Pistachio
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 09:46 AM

Nobody's perfect - not me - not you - not JD, but he entertained so clearly, with a sensitivity in delivery that not many have.
I saw him live twice in Berlin, - memorable - and own more JD material than I realised. At my wedding it was JD on the turntable!
I'm glad I found this thread - it's been good reading but now I'm off to the record player to listen again and get that certain shiver that John Denvers' voice induces.
Thanks John, gone too soon!
H.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 06:42 PM

I just re-read these messages and see I've been accused of not liking John Denver's work. I resent the accusation. I 've played some of his stuff to put food on the table. I respect his work. All i said was that some of his compositions are a bit diffuse.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 06:15 PM

He wrote Annie' Song - which Sheffield United FC (soccer) fans sing as follows....

You fill up my senses like a gallon of Magnet (beer)
Like a packet of Woodbines (cigarettes) like a good pinch of snuff,
Like a night out in Sheffield like a greasy chip butty,
Come Sheffiled United and thrill me again....

Da da da da dar dar................

Known as the Greasy Chip Butty song,

For those who may not be sure, a butty is a breadcake.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Kaleea
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 01:46 PM

All the fussin' & criticism that goes on here can get ridiculous! After Ray Charles died, I recall hearing one "bigtime" (in his own mind) critic saying that everything after the Country album was all alike. Why dance on his grave? Why speak ill of the dead?
Does this make you feel more important?
Each Musician has their own style. Some change their style over time, some don't. Some Musicians do something besides sing & play Music.
I remember seeing recordings of John Denver in the far east back in the mid 70's. When a Musician's Music is known on the other side of the planet in completely different cultures, has a song on a Beatle!! album & is recorded by many other artists, is one of the first Musicians to perform in the former USSR, was out beating the drum before "we are the world," has the respect of Jaques Cousteau, not to mention influence many, many people to play the Guitar in the fingerpicking style--there must be a reason.
Oh yeah, & he was a fingerpicker--he played acoustic Music.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: open mike
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 12:31 PM

http://www.airsafe.com/events/celebs/denver.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/john-denver
the experimental airplane he had was a Rutan Long E Z
a hand made plane that had the engine in teh back ( a "pusher")
http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepLongEZ.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: black walnut
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 11:27 AM

There was a John Denver T.V. special last night on WNED. Fund-raising. I couldn't stop watching it. I kept imagining how nice it would be to have had him in our song circle. Such a simple clear voice and uncluttered lyrics. Not all tangley and metaphorical, like mine. (my grownup ones, not my kids ones!)

I saw him live once, at the C.N.E. in Toronto. That was in the early 70's, I guess.

On the special last night he sang "Leaving on a Jet Plane" and I had to Google it to believe that he wrote it. I've heard it done by so many other people, I could hardly believe it. It's a John Denver song. Go figure!

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Eric
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 04:04 PM

I was a long time fan from seeing him with PPM and Tom Paxton on BBC2 in the early 70's and bought all his albums after the Poems and Prayers and Promises. Yes he was saccharine at times and his later work got over-orchestrated but I agree with Big Mick
"The simple fact is that he was a wonderful entertainer, and that he knew how to write, and/or interpret music. Much of what he did was, indeed, saccharin. But he wore his emotion on his sleeve, and put his money where his mouth was."
I hardly listen to him anymore but when I want to smile I do same as when I want a bit of angst I listen to Scott Walker.
JD was a flawed human being - WOW! - so am I and though I try not to say bad things about people I will make an exception for the a..hole who shares my name and one of my nicknames.

Eric [the red, the viking or whatever]


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 02:40 PM

Troll,

Miles Davis is completely shit jazz.

Have heard better fingernails on a chalkboard.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,BeingRealistic
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 12:52 PM

surely every succesful mass commercial recording artist
has been a bit of a c*** at some point in their career..

theres got to be even the slightest ruthless, selfish, hypocritical
aspect to all their personalitys..

0therwise how else will they float to the top of the music biz shit pit,
and sustain a lengthy career against all odds and competition..

so is there any real point in singling out John Denver for undue criticsism
or, on the other hand, being so defensive and in denial
of his most probable and alleged human failings..

its surely to be expected and goes with the territory of being
a rich celebrity,,,



[yes i'm aware i cant spell..and no spellcheck on this computer]


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 11:59 AM

Once again, you need something to back that up if anyone is going to accept it as a valid complaint. I don't know the song or the performance, so can't take issue from that standpoint. But considering the discussion so far, it sounds out-of-character, don't you think?

SRS


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 05:55 AM

I seem to remember he recorded Steve Goodmans City of New Orleans, changed about 5 words and then tried to claim credit as a co-writer.That was the end of my JD infatuation.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,John's ghost
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 05:07 AM

I'm leaving on a seaplane.
I'm never coming back again


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 06:22 PM

Actually - in The Wildlife Concert, he COULDN'T sustain the high notes of the 60s; typo, sorry.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 06:21 PM

I became a JD fan when PP&M recorded "Jet Plane" and stayed one. I cringe at the affected "country boy" persona he adopted later in his commercial career ("Good to be Back Home" "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" "Grandma's Feather Bed" yuk), but none of that changes the talent & sensitivity he contributed to the last gasp stages of The Great Folk Scare when he sang with the Mitchell Trio (who were the acme of that genre IMO). He also made a huge contribution to the "post Scare" transition of folk into folk-rock/country-folk, etc. while Goodman & Prine et al were "emerging." He did seem to lose himself for a while, and I thought his work was done, but The Wildlife Concert is a tour de force, in spite of the way the years had taken their toll on his voice (he could sustain the high notes he used to, and what used to be "reedy" about his tenor had turned gravelly). But his stage presence was unaltered, if anything stronger (I saw him in Boston around 1975 or so, and he was just a hell of a show), and as he warmed up, the music brings one back to his salad days, which were productive indeed. Frankly I've always felt his "issue" music was the weakest stuff, musically, "Calypso" is only slightly less icky than "Feather Bed" - but "Darcy Farrow" and "This Old Guitar" and "For Bobbie" and many others reminds one in spades that he was a talent, regardless of what one thinks of his politics, persona, or gas guage. He was an entertainer, "folkish" music was his initial idiom, "country boy" a later manifestation, but whatever drove his early work was still (or again?) present in the last stage of his career. A large part of the soundtrack of my late highschool and early college years, right through early adulthood - "Farewell Andromeda" and "Rocky Mtn High" "Rhymes & Reasons" and "PP&P" are all part of that time for me. Thanks John.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:37 PM

I do a fair amount of research for songs, I sing a lot of songs that make social commentary, I often strive to bring a point of view to the music. But I think it is instructive to realize that it is not necessary for music to do such things to have validity. Many years ago, when I first moved back from California & Baja California, I had a brand new baby girl (who is now a beautiful 28 yr. old woman) that had been born in California. I had brought her "home" to Michigan. I have always sung to my kids. I would do it to calm them while doing things, such as changing diapers. The song I used to love to sing to my Cassie was "Hey, It's Good To Be Back Home Again". I can remember driving around with the kids, and having them beg me to put on "Grandma's Feather Bed". I remember him making the comment about sitting on the beach and singing and just wishing he had someone to sing to. I could relate to that.

The simple fact is that he was a wonderful entertainer, and that he knew how to write, and/or interpret music. Much of what he did was, indeed, saccharin. But he wore his emotion on his sleeve, and put his money where his mouth was.

Mick


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:36 PM

SRS - the other link that I gave was from an enginer/friend of Denver's who said basically the same.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:25 PM

Extracted from ARTICLE FROM STEREO REVIEW
AUGUST, 1991


    The Porche flap grew out of the national howl that went
    up when Denver planned to install several gigantic gas tanks
    on his various Colorado properties. He wanted them, he says,
    so he could buy gasoline in volume, in part to aid his
    Windstar Foundation, an environmental education and
    research center, and in part to offer lower gas prices to his
    employees. It was a perfectly fine idea, he thought, except
    the newspapers reported that the famous energy saver now had
    enough gasoline to drive his Porsche around the world twelve
    times. The accusation angered the normally mild-mannered
    singer, but it forced him to cancel the gas tanks to quell the
    public outrage.


Considering the snide tone of the article, it's suprising she gives him credit for anything, or airs his side of these events. But she spells it out, and it makes good sense.

She uses the term "simpleminded" at one point when referring to some of his song lyrics--but that term might be better applied to the visiting troll who presumes that this discussion of Denver reflects the sole musical interest of those participating in the discussion.

SRS


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:21 PM

still no facts to back up the allegations..
of domestic violence...until i see something
specific i will write it off as a bad rumour.

Randy Sparks composed the song
"Today while the blossoms still cling to the vine"
that song has a special place in my heart, too.
here is the song in the data base
http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7367
and here is "our" discussion of it
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4086#22159


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Larry K.
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:18 PM

Saw John Denver once at a benefit with Peter and Paul (mid 70's after they stopped playing and before they got back together againt- it was first concert for the two of them in many years) and others.

The thing I remember most about Denver was he put his money wher his mouth was.   We were putting together the environmental songbook "For the beauty of the Earth" which is sold by Sing Out and Clearwater.   My wife was in charge of getting artists permission.   We wanted to use the song "Rocky Mountain High"    We were asking artists to release the songs for free with no royalties.   Denver signed the release and sent it back to us.   I give him credit for that.   It was also cool getting a letter from John Denver which arrived the same day as the letter from Tom Lehrer (Pollution)   I kept the envelope that Pete Seeger sent me.   (I dont' care if you think I'm crazy as my wife does)

Denver put his money where his mouth was.   Signed the release and didn't ask for a dime.   I have nothing bad to say about him.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:05 PM

http://www.rogernichols.com
http://www.shellworld.net/~emily/articles/JDSTEREO.REV


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:49 PM

First of all, Denver had a "voice". Tom Paxton once said that he wished he could sing his own songs like John Denver did. It's too easy to write off John as some middle-of-the-road feather-weight. He wasn't. There is room for all sorts of music in this world of ours. For example, Troll's list of performers worth listening to is simply his choice - the things that move him. The older I get the more a understand that we all hear things differently, and that there is no "best". Miles Davis may be hailed as a genius by some, but to others his music will not move them an inch - in fact, it may irritate them greatly. And exactly the same argument could embrace Roy Harper's work.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: GUEST,Troll
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:28 PM

Don't any of you sad F--kers listen to any real music?

John Denver - middle of the road slush on par with Cliff Richard.

Try Miles Davis, Syd Barrett, MC5, Roy Harper - that's music....


Troll


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:21 PM

I love that explanation Ron, but could you give us some cites? I never heard that one, and would love to be able to demonstrate its accuracy.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:08 PM

The actual story about the gas tanks was that Denver ran a camp for underprivalaged kids. During the gas crisis, and with the prices rising, he had the tanks installed so that the buses that take the kids would have fuel.    When the press got wind of the story, they turned it around to make it sound like he was using the gas on his cars and such, so Denver had the tanks removed.


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 11:24 AM

I'd give a lot to be able to do a radio spot as well as either John Denver or glen Campbell. I've gotta do one tomorrow morning, and I wish I had a tenth of their nous and know how in front of the microphone.

as for having a tank of petrol in his back garden - look at fuel prices! That would have been a brilliant investment....

As for the other stuff, drink does bad stuff to some of us. It's not for everybody - I have at last found.

all the best

Big Al (last drink May 2nd 2003)


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 10:35 AM

Rather than just saying they don't like the man or his songs, a couple of folks have introduced spurious and unsupported charges. Character assassination instead of critical discussion of music is not a useful contribution.

"Sunshine" goes back many years, and it seems to me that a fertility problem (he wasn't) contributed to problems between John and Annie (of Annie's song). I think the song pre-dated children, and in that they finally adopted, didn't they? I don't remember much about his later relationship(s) but I recall nothing in any of them about abuse, actual (charged and prosecuted) or alleged. Perhaps our nay-sayers confusing Glen Campbell with John Denver? While a bit older, he has had a similar career track, and has been in a bit of a down-hill slide over the last decade or more.

SRS


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Subject: Lyr Add: TODAY
From: Partridge
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 04:54 AM

One of my favourite songs was sung by John Denver, its called "Today"

Today, while the blossoms still cling to the vine
I'll taste your strawberries, I'll drink your sweet wine
A million tomorrows shall all pass away
'Ere I forget all the joy that is mine, Today

I'll be a dandy, and I'll be a rover
You'll know who I am by the songs that I sing
I'll feast at your table, I'll sleep in your clover
Who cares what the morrow shall bring

Today, while the blossoms still cling to the vine
I'll taste your strawberries, I'll drink your sweet wine
A million tomorrows shall all pass away
'Ere I forget all the joy that is mine, Today

I can't be contented with yesterday's glory
I can't live on promises winter to spring
Today is my moment, now is my story
I'll laugh and I'll cry and I'll sing

Today, while the blossoms still cling to the vine
I'll taste your strawberries, I'll drink your sweet wine
A million tomorrows shall all pass away
'Ere I forget all the joy that is mine, Today

Today, while the blossoms still cling to the vine
I'll taste your strawberries, I'll drink your sweet wine
A million tomorrows shall all pass away
'Ere I forget all the joy that is mine, Today

I used to sing it with a very dear friend of mine and it reminds me so much of him I can't sing it anymore without dissolving into tears. A lot of you might think that its mindless sentimentality, but I think some music just resonates a certain vibration that really affects ones emotions

I did not like all of Johns work, but I thought he came across as a good guy. May he rest in peace and love.

Pat x


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:15 AM

Why are so many people looking back at John Denver through rose tinted specs, Don Meixner, he was sincere in what he sang ? no he wasn't he was a bloody hypocrite preaching conservation while secretly having giant gas tanks installed at his pad in Aspen, and as cool hand tom says , he was a wife beater.

You fill up my senses like a gallon of saccharine.

eric


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:25 AM

a couple of ther songs on teh muppet christmas project are real gems.
i chose them for the text of christmas cards i did a few years back.
and he also worked with Chip Davis of Manheim Steam Roller...and was setting up a recording studio in Omaha just prior to his death.
http://www.shop-amgram.com/index2.html
I also saw a memorial bench in a butterfly garden in Pacific Grove, CA, the place where the monarch butterflies winter by the thousands.
www.johndenver.com/
http://www.geocities.com/lsettel/pacific.html
http://www.fojd.org.uk/Links.htm


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: freightdawg
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:20 AM

Hey Al -

If you don't like the man just say so. I happen to admire his artistry, but I'm big enough to understand others may not. I just asked a question to clarify one of your statements. Whoo boy. Didn't mean to activate the sarcasm brigade.

Freightdawg


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Subject: RE: John Denver - 60's Folk Singer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 11:57 PM

Tom,

I may have missed it, but I never heard that allegation before.   I did an internet search and could not find any information about that.   Do you have any source for that story?


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