BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,The Curator
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM

In future Harry could dress as a British Army Major, he could get the uniform from his father. Major was the rank Prince Charles held, wasn't it ? So sorry my knowledge of Royality is rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 12:18 PM

Well, that didn't work very well.
O.K. Lets Party..

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 12:15 PM

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I,LL BE BAAAAAAAAAACK

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 12:01 PM

Well thanks norman but if he's a kid, you've got the wrong thread.
Check out "GOAT" instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: NormanD
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:53 PM

Still going on about Prince Harry?
Ah, leave the poor kid alone, he hasn't got a mother...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Mar 05 - 09:42 PM

Barrie--

Fascinating (really). What a great story! Sure would like some more details. Exactly who were these colonists who offered Charlie the "Crown of America"? Are you sure you can't come up with any names?

Thanks.

And I'm sure others would also be interested

Ron (trying to overcome skepticism)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 13 Mar 05 - 07:20 PM

CarolC --- I confess --- I WAS joking when I used the expression 'the revolting colonists' (though it is strictly accurate).
Ron --- You are entirely entitled to mistrust Mr Gardner, As I suggested, you could e-mail him via his website and ask his sources. If you wait for me to trace Gardner's book you may, I'm afraid, wait until random chance or the library angel puts it under my hand again. (I lshare a v.small house with thousands of books, records, tapes & videotapes).
Until that serendipitous moment arrives, I can only tell you (from memory) that a party of colonists who were quite willing to give King George the finger were not, apparently, convinced of the glories of republicanism. Either before or after offering the 'Crown of America' to G.Washington, the asked Charlie Stuart. He was immensely flattered, but said that, since he had no issue, on his death the British were likely to try and take America back. I think Gardner names the originator of the offer and I believe he says that Stuart was asked twice. Best I can do for the present.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:35 PM

"the revolting colonists"

LOL

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:26 PM

Barrie--

It's at least good to know you weren't being ironic--on Mudcat one has to have extremely fine-tuned irony antennae.

I'll try to get access to a copy of the Gardner book--always interested in dusty corners of history---but I'll have to say I'm extremely skeptical for many reasons.

I've read about Mr. Gardner a bit. He doesn't have a reputation for careful scholarship. We would need independent confirmation.

Can you tell me exactly who is supposed to have offered the crown of "Colonial America" to Charles Stuart? I would venture to say it was not an official offer. Who would have done it?--the Continental Congress?--not likely.

Who, how, why, even where this happened would be a question. Charles Stuart was making himself persona non grata in progressively more places--even the French told him he'd have to leave France. Alcoholism and woman-beating did not help.



The tale of Charles and the crown of "Colonial America" is a good story, but I'm afraid without a lot more detail it will have to be relegated to that status, if not, as I mentioned before, fodder for Snopes.

I am of course still interested in any details you may have.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Piers
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:45 PM

Hi Dean Billington,
I just wanted to say how sorry I was to hear you were related to such
parasitical and unscrupulous wastes of space as the Windsors. If it is not Prince Philip advertising his commitment to world wide environmental issues by shooting as much domestic wildlife as possible or suggesting, after the Dunblane massacre, that a gun was as dangerous as a cricket bat (I wrote challenging him to a duel, him with a bat, me with a twelve bore, but he did not reply). There is also his overt racism: "If you stay here much longer you'll all be slitty-eyed. (China 1986)", "you can't have been here that long - you haven't got a pot belly" (Hungary 1993), "You Egyptians breed too much." (Egypt).

Then there's Prince Charles talking to plants and professing a desire to be reincarnated as a sanitary product. Despite the fact he is as thick as shit he feels he can tell other people how to educate their children, what types of houses we should live and work in and what foods we should eat. The irony is he seems confused that his proclamations are met with near-universal derision.

But it doesn't stop there, in July of 2001, Prince William, on one of his strenuous overseas visits, was pointed out a protected species of ibis flying over head. Just like gramps, his inbred reaction was to reach for a gun and shoot the poor creature dead.

I think Harry, hedonistic, beer swilling, nymphomaniac and prone to tantrums - he slammed a camera into the face of press photographer, must of thought it would be a good idea to continue the family tradition by dressing up as a nazi. It is well known that the Queen Mum was the guardian of the secret vaults at Windsor Castle, which house war-time records of the dealings the Windsors had with the Third Reich. She sent a copy of Mein Kampf to a friend before the war and commented "Even a skip through gives a good idea of [Hitler's] obvious sincerity." Harry's Grandpa, Prince Phillip, had a brother-in-law
in the SS, and Philips uncle was in the Gestapo. Edward VIII, Harry's great-great uncle visited Germany and met Hitler. He is quoted as saying "It would be a tragic thing for the world if Hitler were overthrown."

I'll give Harry a break if he gets proper job, works a proper week, lives in a the kind of house that most people live in and lives on the money that most people live on. If he continues the family tradition of privilege, arrogance and vanity as displayed his mother, father, uncles and grandparents then he will continue to be the butt end of a lot of abuse, and deservedly so.

Piers

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 01:15 PM

Ron --- the author is Laurence Gardner, whose website is at http://graal.co.uk, through which you can ask him. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 12:56 PM

Ron Davies --- I wasn't joking about Charles Stuart. The idea of the UK becoming a republic fills me with such dismay I don't make jokes about it!
The story of Charles Stuart being offered the 'Crown of America' by the revolting colonists appears in a book called 'The Bloodlines of the Holy Grail', by an author whose name escapes me. It was widely published in p/back a few years ago & shouldn'ty be difficult to locate.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 02:17 PM

Imagine if everything you did was open to scrutiny by the press, imagine if the only thing that got publiscised was the errors you made.

This is probably fair. Perhaps we can start a list of the many things the royal family do get right?

1. Err.......

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 12:04 PM

The folly of youth.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Duane
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 07:14 PM

Cant remember him admitting it was an error or a mistake.

Big D.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,A relative
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 06:53 PM

To whom it may concern,

I am related to the house of Saxe Coberg Gotha, and hence, related to the royal family.

I hold no position of privilege and am not on the civil list, so do not receive tax payers money.

I wanted to ask you all a few questions.

How many times have you done something, and regretted it ? How many mistakes have you made in the past ? Do you remember what it was like/is like to be young ? How would you like to be permanently punished and ridiculed because you made a mistake ?

HRH Prince Harry, heir apparent, made a very ill advised choice of clothing. Thats it. Clothing. He wasn't frog marching to the tune of Deutchland, Deutchland Uber Alle, he wasnt professing to be a nazi. No slogans like 'Hitler was right'. Nothing, a poor choice of clothing. A costume.

I would ask you to think about that. Imagine if everything you did was open to scrutiny by the press, imagine if the only thing that got publiscised was the errors you made.

Give the lad a break and stop critiscising him on forums like this. If only in memory of his mother, Princess Diana.

Dean Billington

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 05:42 PM

Discussions on Mudcat are nothing if not colorful, particularly so when a poster mixes history and humor (hyperbole?)

It's true that several of his supporters suggested to Washington (Barrie Roberts--22 Jan 2005 3:19 PM) that he become king, though to say that all "Colonial America" agreed is perhaps stretching it a bit. In fact, as a unit, "Colonial America" hardly agreed on anything, which is one of the reason for the elaborate system of checks and balances, which presidents have, with varying degrees of success, been trying to get around ever since.

It's less clear that Charles Stuart was ever offered the crown of "Colonial America"--he had, after all, been leading a progressively more unsavory life in exile after Culloden for about 40 years.

If this allegation is indeed not meant as humor, I would like more details--source of this info, exactly who offered Charles Stuart this crown, etc. Otherwise this sounds like fodder for Snopes.

Charles Stuart may have been offered the chance to trade a Roman exile for an American one--though even this is dubious--the Federalists didn't even want to receive captured Irish nationalists when the British suggested this (they got to the US anyway).

I'd be interested in further details.

Unless, of course, the whole thing is meant humorously--I assure you I'm trying to develop a finely honed sense of irony,

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: EagleWing
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:16 PM

"In the interests of accuracy, Eagle Wing, to my knowledge black people in the USA never used separate buses from the white people. They were required to sit at the back of the bus- and if the bus filled up with more whites, the blacks were required to move to the farther back seats."

Thank you for that correction, Ebbie.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Ty
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 10:46 AM

Harry can wear what he fucking well likes.

He's fucking ROYAL.

OK?

Now shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:01 PM

In the interests of accuracy, Eagle Wing, to my knowledge black people in the USA never used separate buses from the white people. They were required to sit at the back of the bus- and if the bus filled up with more whites, the blacks were required to move to the farther back seats.

Which is what Rosa Parks refused to do. As a matter of law, she was supposed to move farther back in order to let a white have her seat. When the bus driver told her to move, she refused and was arrested. And that's where the US civil rights movement began.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 09:20 PM

the emperors new clothes?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Newmatic
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 07:51 PM

Wonder what he'll wear to the wedding?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 12:52 PM

And, during the war, the royal family remained in London - on the basis that they couldn't face other Londoners if they left to avoid the bombing.

Sounds like you've swallowed the propaganda, jacqui, as the whole sycophantic nation did until fairly recent years (steered by what was a thoroughly sycophantic press). Try reading Kitty Kelley's book on the Royals. Much better researched than most of the hagiographical rubbish on the subject that preceded it. Apart from anything else, you will surprised at the number of intimates who have blabbed confidences. Betrayers and betrayed alike emerge as a thoroughly unpleasant set.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 06:39 AM

Whoever his father was - his mother showed terrible taste in her men.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah 2
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 05:18 AM

Bill H - many people have said that the Morarchy are pointless, starting with Cromwell- they're still there. You obviously didn't read Barrie Roberts' and my earlier posts, which explain why a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: LadyJean
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 11:47 PM

When I was at O.U. the Annual Athens Halloween Orgy featured some spectacularly tasteless costumes. The man dressed as a pregnant nun was apalling, as were the Arab terrorists. But my favorite was the fellow wearing a trench coat and a pair of shoes. Every now and then he would pull open his coat to reveal that he had attached a very large loofah sponge to his shorts.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 11:32 PM

from royal watchers link : "He will be required to give his fingerprints and a DNA sample."

I guess this means that the royals will know once and for all who Harry's father might be if they don't already know.

Could be the reason Harry is acting out so badly. Maybe he also knows.

Hewitt was probably paid off long ago. It wouldn't be the first time.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 08:31 PM

Bring back 'It's a Knockout'. Surely their finest hour.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM

So--what is it---rulers that don't rule. Why keep the wealthy so and so's on?   History has passed the era of the kings---though I still like Henry V as portrayed by Shakespeare.   Sure gave it to the French--love the difference in Olivier's interpration of that compared to Branaugh----I think Branaugh's was better and more real.

I digress.

You pay taxes, they live high off the hog and contribute nothing but some tradition that left the world stage a century ago---what is left are the likes of a "clown prince" aka frat boy.

Having said all of the above I add that in WW2 I was in the group of children evacuated from London and Princess (then) Eliz. saw us little kiddies off with our gas masks at Victoria Station---but, Winnie was the man who galvanized the nation and the world.

So--Royalty. What is the point anymore? For humor (houmour) maybe. Alas poor Yorrick---they are now the court jesters. Your job is over.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 07:25 PM

Hes just been a toff with no brain, in the UK we have lots of them, untill recently they all sat, unelected in the House of Lords. He should have publicly said sorry, he is old enough now not to have his dad or grann send out statements. One last thing about the "Private" party, if it was some smalltown joe, fare enough it has nothing to do with us. But neither he, nor his brother are smalltown joes, they exist in there positions at the tax payers expense. Saddly we are their subjects, but they are also OUR rulers. We have every right to know what they are doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Royal watcher
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 05:28 PM

In point of fact, Harry is not even a real prince. His father is not Charles, Prince of Wales and heir to the throne. Harry's father is James Hewitt, the guy that Diana was screwing while Charles was screwing that rottweiler Camilla.

Have a look at Hewitt's picture in this article.

Like father, like son.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 05:12 PM

Funny bit on JOn Stuart's The Daily Show---I paraphrase "...Prince Harry was invited to the Innauguration but could not attend due to vacation plans at an undisclosed bunker in the Bavarian part of the Alps".

He was missed by all, assuredly. So many like thinking twits to cavort with.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 04:46 PM

How about a suggestions for Prince William, Prince Harry and their chum's next theme party?

How about one with a King Charles I theme?

Where they could all dress as King Charles I and at the climax of the evening - the best costume can have their head chopped-off. Or they could all get their heads chopped-off......

Then next they could have a restoration - King Charles II party - or maybe not...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Ooh-aah2
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 03:26 PM

They are also descended from Woden, via the Anglo-Saxon line, which pleases Heathens like me...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 03:19 PM

Not wishing to waste much time, effort, breath, life etc on this discussion (?) I would merely add a few observations:

1. Colonial America was so appalled by living under a monarchy that, when it tried to free itself, it offered a Kingship to a bloke called George Washington. When he turned it down (was it twice or three times?) they offered it to Charles Stuart, the Jacobite pretender to the British throne. When he turned it down they gave up and reluctantly became a republic;

2. Our beloved Royal family are indeed of partly German descent, but also are descended from llewellyn of Wales, and that should be good enough for anybody;

3. Thank God for the internet, so that all those rational people whose contributions I have read above cannot actually get at each other to break heads, lergs, bottles, windows etc.

4.   If Britain ever makes the mistake of becoming a republic, it will find out to its cost what happens when you have a head of state who is a politician.

That's all --- you can carry on shouting now.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah 2
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 03:10 PM

I think the Royal family did allow themselves to be driven off to Windsor, at least some nights, but they refused to be stowed away in Canada even when invasion seemed imminent. The rationing bit is quite true - the King had a black line painted in the inside of all the palace baths to ensure no-one used up too much hot water.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 02:23 PM

Maybe not down the tube, but then a lot of Londoners had their own airaid shelters.

I think that they did stick to rationing as well from something I read.

At least they didn't allow themselves to be moved to a place of safety - I'm not sure that the present lot would follow that example though. And I can't see W or Blair behaving in that way either.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 11:30 AM

Yeah they remained in London, but they were hardly slumming it down the tube and surviving on ration coupons like the rest of their loyal subjects.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,jacqui.c
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 11:08 AM

And, during the war, the royal family remained in London - on the basis that they couldn't face other Londoners if they left to avoid the bombing.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah 2
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 07:24 AM

Gibson, your Presidents may last only two terms, but then you infallibly elect another fuckwit every time! The only difference is that our royal fuckwits come and go but have no executive power, and thus can safely be ignored. Meanwhile they prevent politicians getting their sticky hands on uncontrolled political power and those of us who enjoy it (far more than will admit to doing so)gain a real pleasure from the marvellous pomp and ceremony - (saw your monkey being 'inaugurated' - today - is THAT what you call a state occasion? Come over and see how the grown-ups do it!) As a bonus, now and then the system throws up a leader of real worth - both Elizabeths for example. In dicey circumstances such as a major world war even distictly third-rate monarchs, such as George VI can play a useful role as a focus for national unity.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Fan
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 10:42 AM

Harry I would love to suck your stump

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,The Queen
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 10:39 AM

Fuck orf Harry.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Prince Harry
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:41 AM

Well, poop. Didn't mean to cause such a row. My dad chewed me a new royal one at breakfast yesterday, and you should see the looks I get from the servants. I feel really dumb, but it was just like it wasn't really me, know what I mean? Some kind of wierd synergism with my friends, where we seem to spiral downhill and we can feel we're spiralling downhill but we can't engage our brains to stop it to where we just do one thing stupid and the next stupider. Like you can't catch your breath. I know my life is reallly empty and meaningless but I just can't stop it. Next thing you know I do something stupid but I think that wasn't me that started it, they're worse than me, but then I recognize it really was me and I can't believe it because they're stupider and emptier but I'm the one paying the price. My mum used to do the same, just snowballing into dumber and dumber meaningless crap but you can't wake up from it. Even writing about it I can't seem to catch my breath, I feel like I have no backbone and no brain, but it's not really about me, is it, I can't believe the whole world saw me being so stupid and they just grind it in and grind it in, now some of my so-called friends are sending me piles of newspapers and tabloids. I'm really no stupider than the lot of you that are trading barbed posts back and forth back and forth spiralling downward into sordid and sorry mean-ness f-you no F-you louder what a bunch of losers. Money can buy happiness? Money can make you less stoooopid? No. What a waste.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 08:40 AM

Guest, did I say anyone was being racist or anti-British? Absolutely not - I'm very well aware that 'racist' is one of the most misunderstood and incorrectly-used word in the English dictionary.

And Martin claimed equivalency between the US President and our Queen - he, and you, are wrong, she does not have the powers that a President of the US has, in fact nowadays she does not even have the power of veto over Acts of Parliament. Her position is merely one of 'advisor' to the government which, in practical terms, means she has no power at all. She's a rubber stamp on the papers the government put before her.

The US constitution provides for an individual with Presidential powers, the UK constitution does not.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 02:27 PM

No he isn't comparing apples to oranges. The titular figurehead of a nation is still a political position, even without a lot of political power.

While it is true the royals don't have much political power vis a vis the parliamentary side of government, they and the hereditary peerage do still have political power.

Americans here choosing to voice their opinions on the actions of Prince Harry are in no way being "anti-British" or racist, any more than British citizens here expressing their opinion of George Bush or John Kerry (for instance) should be considered anti-American or racist.

Racism doesn't exist in a context of nation states. So that one is just plain stupid. Races of people are not equivalent to the citizens of national states, so any suggestion that a person is racist for being anti-British is just plain ridiculous.

But what does it matter now anyway? He's gotten away with it, hasn't he? He'll pay no consequence for his actions, he is a royal. In fact, I'm guessing Harry is already holding court again in the basement club Charles had built to keep Harry out of the eyes of the public and paparazzi.

Any bets on whether Harry behaves until he reports to Sandhurst?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 11:14 AM

Martin, our Queen is not our leader. Her function is not presidential - she is simply a figurehead, a symbol. The UK political system does not mirror the US system, and she has no political function whatsoever, unlike that dickhead in the White House. You're comparing apples with oranges and claiming they're the same fruit. Wrong again Moriarty.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 02:19 AM

Guest, we elect our leaders for two terms and then they are out.

Well that's alright then.

Always assuming that the rest of the world survives that long...........

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 05:42 PM

We get to CHOOSE whether or not we have a circumcision, and its no skin of our nose, whats your story Gibson?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 04:17 PM

Guest, we elect our leaders for two terms and then they are out.

Your ridiculous monarchy continues to keep your country in the middle ages and is only good for tourism at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:20 AM

Anyone got a wall handy?