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GUEST 14 Jan 05 - 03:09 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 03:09 PM

Well, can you imagine? This is what his *friends* (one of Harry's longest-standing friends and a family friend of Prince Charles, according to the Evening Standard) are being quoted as saying about him in the wake of scandal:

""He is not a bright chap. You have to be seriously academically challenged to come away from Eton with one A-level...He is not a bad lad, but he is getting wilder and wilder. This was not malicious, but it was foolish. He needs to get a grip. He has to realise the reality of his position."

It emerged that Harry hired his costume at a shop close to Highgrove, Maud's Cotswold Costumes, popular with the young royals and their set.

Among the other outfits which were said to have caught the prince's eye was the uniform of an SS officer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 03:56 PM

What was the House of Windsor before it was the House of Windsor... any historians out there ? Don't shoot !


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 02:54 AM

what I was saying is that this radio phone in that heard last night on radio derby, reminded me that this guy and thousands like him don't to want to see Prince Harry dressed up in any kind of nazi uniform

I suspect that he knew this and this was exactly why he chose to wear one to impress his friends. The other equally worrying aspect is that there are some other people who would be estatic that he did choose to dress-up like this.

These are the one's who are trying to re-write history and convince the world that certain things - did not happen. The point is well-made that Harry in generating this publicity has perhaps ensured that some others in his age-group who are possibly more sensible - will (coming-up to the 27 January) now learn the true implication of what this uniform stood for and resulted in.

Bringing well-needed attention to this - may not have been the young fools intention but he possibly deserves our thanks anyway. Who says our young royals serve no purpose?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Bill the Collie
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:23 AM

His brother William helped him choose the uniform.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:30 AM

Prince Heinrich von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (for it is he) can wear what the hell he likes. The anti-royalist faction can take a running jump. Given the cable TV Documentary channels obsession with WW2, I'm surprised that brown shirt and swastika armband are not considered de rigeur everywhere.

A non-story obsessing non-people.

Regards
Adolf Elizabeth Schickelgruber


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 06:37 AM

If Diana were still alive this would not have happened!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 08:10 AM

In answer to gnu's question (and correcting the penultimate guest) the royals belonged to the house of Saxe-Coberg-Gotha before Windsor, to which they still belong now. Previous name changes, as might be expected, reflected changes in the head of the royal household. But the adoption of "Windsor" was merely a PR stunt necessitated by WW1 - the new name being taken from the town of Windsor, where they have one of their castles. The royals continue to live under this British-sounding name, although in fact they are now Mountbattens - Mountbatten being an anglicising of Battenburg, the family name of Prince Philip.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 11:54 AM

Saxe-Coberg-Gotha is a bit of a mouthful for a cake. Battenburg is lightly better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 12:36 PM

So... fair prince is quite the ham... burger. (Sorry; at least I try.) Now, does anyone know where the House of Hapsburg (spelling please ? Hapsburgh, Haapsburg, ??) fits in here ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 12:43 PM

Wolves in sheep's clothing worry me a whole lot more than silly young sheep caught wearing wolve's clothing....

That's why I have been ignoring this thread.

It baffles me how people obsess over blatantly obvious symbols (such as the swastika), symbols which have absolutely NO power other than what people are willing to give them in their own minds, while missing the far more dangerous things that parade by us daily under the mask of familiar, acceptable conventionality.

We live in a society that calls people "terrorists" when they kill 3 people or 3,000 people, while NOT wearing a national uniform. At the same time those who ARE wearing a national uniform invade whole countries, drop bombs from B-52's, and cause the deaths of 10's or 100's of thousands, and the ruination of whole societies...but are NOT called "terrorists".

A politician, George Bush, wraps the American flag around himself and launches illegal wars of aggression, like Hitler did. Another politician, Tony Blair, ignores the will of his own public, betrays his own party, and helps assist in those wars of aggression. They both wear the right clothes, say the right-sounding patriotic stuff, and would certainly not be seen wearing a Nazi uniform. But...they are far more dangerous than Prince Harry at his costume party.

It seems that people will insist on being mesmerized by superficial appearances, though. I guess that's because it doesn't require much effort or thought to perceive the superficial.

I wonder at what point in history we will arrive at the moment when Nazi uniforms ARE finally allowable at a costume party, like any other historical regalia? And...could one dress up as a Nazi in order to make fun OF Nazis? Would that be possible? I don't see why not. Spanish Inquistion getups are allowable now. You can dress up as one of Attilla's Huns now. You can dress up as a conquering Roman Centurion now.

Where is the qualitative difference? When did society decide that it was no longer unacceptable to be dressed as a Hun or a pirate or an Inquisitor at a costume party? One wonders. These obsessions come and go.

I'll say this for Harry, though. He must have a real talent for making foolish decisions and getting himself in hot water. But then, he IS under a microscope all the time, isn't he?

(The Afrika Korps, by the way, was a very courageous fighting force that simply happened to have the bad luck to be under a very bad government and on the losing end in a very big war. Their uniform is not synonymous with evil, except to those who cannot give up old hatreds, but must forever chew on them like a dog chewing savagely on a familiar, but very old bone.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 02:55 PM

Amen Little Hawk.

Incidentally folks, being in the German armed forces during the Hitlerian years did not make anyone 'a Nazi'. Only party members were 'Nazis'. Some members of the German military were Nazis, many weren't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:19 PM

If there is something funny about the Nazis, it escapes me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:25 PM

Then you have not seen Charlie Chaplin make fun of Adolf Hitler in "The Great Dictator", have you? And perhaps you have not heard the song "Und ven der fuehrer says, ve iss de master race...ve heil! heil! right in der fuehrer's face!" (by Spike Jones, was it?)

One of the best ways possible to fight an oppressive force like Naziism is to make fun of its more ludicrous aspects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Com Seangan
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM

This politically correct thing is gone around the bend. Good for Prince Harry. By dressing as a Nazi - that didn't mean that he approved of their tactics. Give us a break !!

My young fella dressed as Osama Bin Laden at his College Ball and took the house down. Young people have a sense of balance as well as a sense of humour. And come to think of (merely from a sartorial point of view, of course) the Nazi uniform was quite smart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:52 PM

Yes, and don't forget this also...young people have usually not yet become as afraid as older people, when it comes to playing with unsettling outer images. It would be scary if a whole generation of teenagers were so afraid to express themselves that they did not dare to do this sort of thing now and then for fear of reprisal.

There was a generation of young Germans like that in 1933-45. They would not have dared to step outside the officially approved boundaries of dress and behaviour, would they? That's what happens in societies that are ruled by fear, and its handmaiden, extreme political correctness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Raedwulf
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 04:32 PM

*Bzzzt!* Actually, Hawk, that's not even a factor in the rise of Nazism. Try "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard Evans. Fear, perhaps. Youth had nothing to do with it. The rise of Hitler is much more complex than that.

But this entire thread is bollocks. So Harry is 20 & an idiot? Well that's not a capital crime is it? I know 40+ year olds that are still no more than 15 in their heads (though they wouldn't admit it). Harry's crime? Getting caught!!

He won't make the same mistake twice, because he won't be allowed to. I probably made a given mistake more than once, cos I wasn't important. How many of you f***ing puritans never made a mistake more than once, eh?

Who said 20 was an adult? When I was 20, most of the 20 year olds I knew were still kids. I live in a glasshouse. I'd rather put clothes on, than throw stones... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 04:41 PM

Little Hawk, your first post above was well worth the wait.

Gnu, for Hapsburg (sometimes "Habsburg") think Austro-Hungarian Empire. (That was me who answered your earlier question at 8.10am - as an anonymous guest because I'd crept in the back way while Mudcat proper was down.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 05:18 PM

Well said, Raedwulf. It's the English press that waits like a vulture for this sort of thing. They love it. As to what were the biggest factors in the rise of Naziism...I'd say it was fear, primarily. That, and a sense of having been done wrong by the Treaty of Versailles. So, fear, and a desire to "get even" and right assumed wrongs. The Nazis were a very self-righteous and moralistic bunch in their own peculiar way, and they certainly thought they were acting in the best interests of Germany. Clearly, they were not, though! In fact, you can underline that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 06:27 PM

I've spent a fair amount of time helping to document genocide, and I know a few WW2 survivors from eastern Europe and the Balkans.

Documenting isn't being there. Being a victim of racial abuse and violent behavior would give you a whole different outlook on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Lanfranc
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 07:02 PM

... especially if you were held prisoner in Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraib.

Alan
(apologies for thread creep, but "I was obeying orders" seems to be the link.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 10:56 PM

It isn't about his age. It is about his position as heir to the British throne, and the international ramifications of such a high public political figure behaving badly.

If he was 40 would you all feel better about this?

The point isn't his age, and the point isn't that the rest of us can do it. The point is, he is held to a different standard because of his position.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 11:06 PM

From today's Independent:

Harry's 'racist and bigoted' set must be curbed, Charles told
Top aide warned Prince over antics of friends. Howard stands firm on demand for full apology
By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor
16 January 2005


The Prince of Wales has been warned by one of his senior advisers that he must act urgently to separate his sons from a "social scene that thinks racism and bigotry quite funny", The Independent on Sunday has learned.

Prince Charles was told that his sons' media image has become a "bad joke" in the wake of pictures showing Prince Harry wearing Nazi insignia. The senior adviser said: "There has been this attempt to portray them as symbols of modern Britain, with charity work and so on, which just makes people who actually know them laugh. They are part of a social scene which thinks racism and bigotry quite funny."


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 01:20 AM

I have similar sartorical acqutranments - family heirloms - There is never a stir at family picknics ..... but I am not a prince.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 01:26 AM

Clothes make the man ..... but I am not a man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 03:36 PM

Little Hawk has injected some welcome reality into this debate, along with Strollin' Johnny. The stupid things I did at 20 still make me blush - luckily I had no cameras pointed at me at the time. (I am now 33). The usual republican agenda of right-wing Rupert Murdoch owned newspapers shines through this whle beat up. The scarcely-disguised glee and holier-than thou attitude of republicans on this thread is just as nauseating, and I'm obliged to someone (probably one of the numerous anonymous GUESTS) looking forward to the day when we are a wonderful republic, 'like France and America'. Howls of scornful laughter Bruce!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,ButterflyJulia
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 11:27 PM

Indeed Ooh-Aah2 but you were not third in line to the throne...think about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: musicmick
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 12:22 AM

If the British and their junior partners in the United Kingdom choose to maintain the lives to which their special chosen few have become accostumed, it is not for we mere former colonists to disapprove. It is, after all, their way of pretending that, first, their empire lives on in the continuity of their monarchy and, second, that their moral superiority is as class based and pristine as ever. Thus, the nation that invented the word "nigger" is entitled to lecture the world on the subject of human rights. The nation that looted the the national treasures of countless lands to enrich the homes and museums of their upper classes is emboldened to preach anti-colonialism.
None of this is to suggest that the British are the essence of evil. No student of history would claim that distinction for any one people. Power is so corrupting that there has never been a blameless dominating people. I am more than willing to let byegones (Irish, African, American, Indian, Chinese and God knows homay others) be long gones if you guys will get the hell off your high horses and quit trying to sound like Mother Theresas. I mean national pride is all well and good but, if you must spout, have the sekhel to do it quietly. The fact is that everybody's shit stinks and yours is pretty high up on the old reek-o-meter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 02:05 AM

It is with people - as it is with nations.

That they make mistakes is a fact. If they are prepared to learn from these mistakes - there is some hope.

There is little hope if those who are about to make the same mistakes (or are already making them) are not prepared to listen to the voice of experience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:22 AM

One thing Harry has done is to enable CarolC and Martin Gibson to continue there shagging, good luck to you both, are plans going well for the marriage?

Don't be shy you can tell us you know, who prefers to be on top?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,Trevor
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:28 AM

Musicmic - and the Americans are free from Blame, land of the free my arse, a country so up its own arse it forgets theres a whole world out there. I'm sure the slave trade lasted a lot longer in your neck of the woods than it did in ours. You seem to be generalising aka making rascist remarks about the British on the act of one Prince - so in the words of Churchill FUCK YOU!!!!!!

Trevor of Hull (Birthplace of the abolitionist William Wilberforce)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:48 AM

You can say fuck you to the Americans, and try and shift blame westward all you want, it isn't going to do you or Britain a bloody bit of good.

The royals' Nazi debacle just isn't much of a story in the US. Unlike Europe...

So Trevor, how does it feel to be the pariah of Europe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,trevor
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:56 AM

i repeat FUCK YOU! Your country is hardly a shining example of race relations, so before you start throwing stones check your house isn't made of glass built by the hands of your second class citizens


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:02 AM

Yeah but at least we don't need Britain for anything, least of all for protection from the rest of the world.

Churchill was a fat fuck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,trevor
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:04 AM

Roosevelt was a delaying coward like a man who uses guest anonymous


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:08 AM

That's nice, Trevor dear. Still doesn't change the fact the royals keep dragging Britain down and back into the good old bad days of Britain's worst colonial and imperial excesses though, does it?

Or change the fact that while Q. Lizzie is atoning for the sins of her family at the Auschwitz commemoration, all of Europe will be debating the need to innoculate itself against British racism and self-perpetuating ignorance.

Now run off down the pub to have a lager with yer louts, Trevor. There's a good man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,trevor
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:16 AM

Again generalising, GUEST if that is you real name, I have no love of the royals no more than you do FUCKWEED!

Though if Europe whats to get on their high horse about British NAZIS - aka GERMAN HISTORY, GERMAN HISTORY SYMPATHISERS, the rise of NEO-Nazi organisations on mainland europe then keep digging MR.CUNT-FEATURES, I shall be visiting the pub, drinking good english ale with my more than worthy countryman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,FUCKWEED
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:21 AM

Ah, so it's only you and your lone countryman, is it? I'm not surprised.

The point that Germany is doing light years more to distance and innoculate itself from it's criminal past than Britain ever will, apparently is beyond your comprehension.

At least Germany and France have a tradition of trying to improve themselves when it comes to racism, bigotry, and discrimination.   Good Anglos like yourself and your countryman, on the other hand, seem to revel in it.

Make sure you keep up with the drink there Trevor boy, you wouldn't want to lose your and your countryman's hard earned status as Europe's meanest drunks, and most alcoholic society, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,trevor
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:25 AM

If you would be so brave to reveal your own nationality Mr.Rascist


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:35 AM

Oh, so arguing that Brits are exhibiting some loathsome racism in their "no big deal" defense of their royal family's behavior in this debacle makes one a racist, does it?

You are exhibiting an insensitivity, pig ignorance, and arrogance every bit as offensive as your royal prince's there, Sir Trevor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST,trevor
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:42 AM

Are all British people defending his actions, no. It seems you are generalising once again. I am neither pig-ignorant, rascist, arrogant. The BRITS are not lager-swilling nazi thugs. Some British people are!!! Like Germany, France, Austria, USA, and the rest. In fact in light of the tsunami disaster, the British people (IN MAJORITY) proved themselves a compassionate, generous bunch a bastards. Do not tar a nation due to a miniscule minority, first look closer to home - that is why sir "GUEST" you are a rascist.

CHECKMATE!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:55 AM

I can agree, Trevor, that all peoples and all nations have their fascists and thugs. However, no one here is doing that.

I trust your decision to call me a racist is an upgrade from calling me FUCKWEED and MR. CUNT-FEATURES? You're really helping your arguments with that sort of conduct, Trevor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:03 AM

I apologise for calling you fuckweed and Mr Cunt-features, this is due to an air of political correctness in this country and the world which frowns upon you being a white hetereosexual male of no paticular religious denomination which really winds me up. But the message rings true, I will not defend the actions of my countrymen who treat the holocaust as a joke but do not assume moral superiority over a country you obviously do not know!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:21 AM

So now we can debate like human beings. I also apologise for my hasty sweeping remarks trevor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:27 AM

Thats all well and good but is Martin Gibson and CarolC still shagging


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:38 AM

Gibson loves to shag anything he claims to hates, so as an englishman I'm rather worried.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: brid widder
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 02:37 PM

"I wonder at what point in history we will arrive at the moment when Nazi uniforms ARE finally allowable at a costume party, ...... Spanish Inquistion getups are allowable now. You can dress up as one of Attilla's Huns now. You can dress up as a conquering Roman Centurion now."

I doubt there is anyone alive who has suffered at the hands of any of the despots mentioned...except the Nazis...I might be wrong but I think that makes a bit of a difference.

This young man has lived every moment of his life in the spotlight... apparently we are supposed to be interested in anything he does... I am not but think he should be aware by now that cameras are very commonplace... most of his associates will have one in their mobile phone... and photographs ... especially like this one are valuable... this was taken by someone at the party... not by the 'paparrazzi' and sold to the Sun for the bargain price of £10,000..(a bit of a missed opportunity there).

When he chose this costume he must have realised 1.that the papers would get hold of it 2.that offence would be caused and 3. that shit would hit the fan.... if he didn't realise he's an idiot... if he did realise and went ahead anyway ..he's an idot!

Harry is an adult and as such can behave as he wishes... and accept the consequences....which should in this case be serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: EagleWing
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:33 PM

Why are Carol and Martin carrying on a personal feud in this discussion?

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: EagleWing
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:41 PM

"Well, a quick Google search showed a very large number of fancy dress rental shops in the UK where you could hire a Nazi uniform."

There's a shop just outside Nottingham where you can get masks of all sorts of people including GWB and Adolph Hitler. No problem!

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: EagleWing
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:59 PM

"You're just so right, GUEST. I really wish we could have US or French style government in Britain, instead of the outmoded old system we run here. Things would start looking up pretty soon, I'll bet!!"

I'm no great fan of the Royal Family - but when I look at the records of the other countries that are held to be so perfect I can't see that their systems are so much better.

Stupidity & corruption don't change just because you guillotine anyone who speaks with a posh accent. The US is as capable of racism as Britain - despite having no royalty.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry and fancy dress.
From: EagleWing
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM

"no one suggested that britain adopt the french or us form of governance."

Yes someone did - in the post immediately above Greg's!

"i believe the suggestion is that britain leap forward out of it's 19th century mindset and join the rest of us."

Well, from where I sit I don't see a great deal of advantage in the mindset that took the US as well as the UK to a war based on bad (US)intelligence and in which some members of the "allied" forces appear to have acted just like the Nazis.

So Harry and Mark have acted stupidly. No one in America acts stupidly? No children of the US aristocracy ever lets his/her parents down?

What a grossly insulting attitude. And what a shame that so many Americans have decided to use this forum as an excuse to show their Anti-British bigotry. Thank God it is only a minority, albeit a seemingly large one.

Frank L,


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