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Basic Music Theory Question

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GUEST,Joy 20 Jan 05 - 09:44 PM
wysiwyg 20 Jan 05 - 09:38 PM
DonMeixner 20 Jan 05 - 09:34 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 20 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 20 Jan 05 - 09:16 PM
Pauline L 20 Jan 05 - 08:46 PM
Pauline L 20 Jan 05 - 08:42 PM
Justa Picker 20 Jan 05 - 04:33 PM
M.Ted 20 Jan 05 - 04:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: GUEST,Joy
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:44 PM

Howdy Gargoyle,

I forgot to mention, I play the guitar.

Joy


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:38 PM

Pauline: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30972#506820

~S~


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: DonMeixner
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:34 PM

Hi Ted,



"The Tonic, Supertonic, Mediant, Subdominant, dominant, submediant, and subtonic triads in each key--"


Enlighten me a little please. What are all these names related to what notes or chords in the key of "C". I haven't a clue what these names mean or why they mean what they mean.

Thanks.

Don


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM

Ted - well done!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:16 PM

Ms. JOY,

What are you playing with?

It makes a difference.

For some it cums easy - for others it comes with thyme.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

ignore me ... please ... some are playing without a full neck.


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: Pauline L
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 08:46 PM

WYSIWYG, I can't find the permathread on modes, and I really want to learn about them. Can you, or anyone else, help me find it?


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: Pauline L
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 08:42 PM

M. Ted, that was a great condensed version. Would you be interested in leading a workshop on it at the Getaway?


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: Justa Picker
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 04:33 PM

Theory is best taught by a real live, in-person teacher.


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: M.Ted
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 04:31 PM

>>what *exactly* do i need to learn in order to understand music theory and transposing. i want to >>avoid *wasting time* learning theory i won't really need.

Why are you so worried about wasting time? And, since you don't know anything about music theory, how would you know what you need and what you don't need?

I once had a student who got angry because I was teaching him to play quarter notes--he said, "Those are to simple for me!"

Anyway, here is what you need to know in order to transpose:

The names of the all 12 notes--

The names of the notes, including sharps or flats,in each key signature--

The Major, absolute minor, and relative minor scales for each key signature--

The Tonic, Supertonic, Mediant, Subdominant, dominant, submediant, and subtonic triads in each key--

Once you know that stuff, all you need to know is that, to transpose, you can just substitute the Tonic, Supertonic, Mediant, Subdominant, dominant, submediant, and subtonic triads(and notes) in old key, for the Tonic, Supertonic, Mediant, Subdominant, dominant, submediant, and subtonic triads in the new key--

Of course, it helps to know about accidentals and the circle of fifths, because you want to avoid confusing, say, the Dominant Second Chord with a supertonic chords--

A simple trick is to make a little table :just to write out the scale for the original key, and then write the scale for the new key right underneath it--then write out your chord progression in the original key, and then write the new chords right underneath them, using the table.

You can transpose the melody, note for note, the same way--Simple, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 03:49 PM

Search found this right away on search term "sounds crap":

CLICK

~S~


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Subject: RE: Basic Music Theory Question
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 03:47 PM

Joy,

I would think all you need at the moment is a transposing chart (music store item, and also they exist online). I mean really, it sounds like your ear is guiding you for the rest.

There also was a hilarious and really accurate chord-finding method described in a past thread-- I can't look it up right now-- where the basic idea was "try this chord, and if it sounds crap try another chord;" for what you are doing now, you don't need much more.

Another good Mudcat thread is one about modes. If you take a look in the permathread index (see FAQ drop-down menu in box at top of threads) you can find it. Some other good theory threads too, just look around and HAVE FUN.

Welcome to Mudcat!

~Susan


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Subject: Help: Basic Music Theory
From: GUEST,Joy W.
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 03:38 PM

hi Mudcatters,

i discovered Mudcat last weekend, and have been reading over lots of threads. i need to learn *basic* music theory. i sing, write songs and play simple chord progressions to accompany my singing. i know i need to learn to transpose also(even though i don't want to depend on a capo, unless i have to.)

what *exactly* do i need to learn in order to understand music theory and transposing. i want to avoid *wasting time* learning theory i won't really need. i will ignore any rude responses.

thanks,
Joy


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