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Subject: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Aerin
Date: 27 Nov 98 - 01:18 PM

My Grandma is from Montana and she and her sisters used to know all these songs, but one of them, she forgot all but the first verse. It goes like this: I come from Montana, I wear a bandana. My spurs are all silver, my pony is gray. While riding the ranges, my luck never changes. With foot in the sturrip, I gallop away. If anyone knows anymore of the words, I'd love to hear them. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Nov 98 - 02:13 PM

Aerin, this is a little song I learned around kindergarten age, and my friends and I can only remember the words that you posted and no more. The tune is pretty much the same as "Molly Malone".

alice in montana


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: rich r
Date: 27 Nov 98 - 05:02 PM

For whatever warped reason I remember: I come from Montana, my home's a banana, My spurs are of silver, My horse is a cow.

Makes very little sense.

rich r


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Nov 98 - 07:59 PM

rich, that's funny!! "Movin' to Montana, soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon...."

alice


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Subject: Lyr Add: MY HOME'S IN MONTANA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Nov 98 - 01:00 AM

Here 'tis, straight from the Girl Scout Pocket Songbook, copyright 1956:

MY HOME'S IN MONTANA
Traditional U.S. Cowboy Song

My home's in Montana, I wear a bandana
My spurs are of silver, my pony is gray;
When riding the ranges, my luck never changes,
With foot in the stirrup I gallop away.

When far from the ranches, I cut the pine branches
To lay out a bed when the starlight is pale;
When I have partaken of beans and of bacon
I whistle a merry old song of the trail.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Aerin
Date: 29 Nov 98 - 11:45 AM

thank you so much. My grandma remembered the rest of it after the 1st line! Very cool guys! thanks for your help!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Alice
Date: 30 Nov 98 - 04:39 PM

hey, thanks, Joe. I remember when I was little I thought for some reason the beans and bacon part was really funny. Thanks for posting that verse.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From:
Date: 01 Dec 98 - 11:40 PM

hey, i still think that parts kinda funny!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Dec 98 - 12:58 AM

Well, I was trying really hard to have some class for once and make no comment about the beans and their whistling aftermath....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From:
Date: 03 Dec 98 - 09:53 PM

Sure ya were!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Les B
Date: 03 Dec 98 - 10:43 PM

I believe there's one more verse (usually sung second) to be added to those supplied above:

When valleys are dusty my pony is trusty, He lopes through the blizzards, the snow in his ears The cattle may scatter but what does it matter, My rope is a halter for pig-headed steers.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Alice
Date: 04 Dec 98 - 12:52 AM

Hey, thanks, Les. This is so weird to be reading the verses that I haven't heard since I was about 4 or 5 years old. It is strange how images are formed in a child's mind. Being pig-headed was always a saying that I knew, but to connect it to this song rings the bell that it was probably the first place that expression formed an image in my mind. I am seeing a rug-rat imagining a steer running around with a pig head. My main memory of this song is the word 'pony'. Of COURSE every child would fix on that. I envied the neighbor boy who had a big white horse named Dixie, which he boarded in our pasture along the Missouri River.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Dec 98 - 02:29 AM

I looked in a number of songbooks, but I couldn't find anything about the history of this song. Can anybody tell us about it? It's not in any of the usual folk songbooks, and it's not in the vast songbook index of the U of Tennessee Knoxville. That leads me to believe it may not be an authentic cowboy song. I found it in the Girl Scout Pocket Songbook, so maybe it was sung by the early Girl Guides as they rode their trusty steeds.
But enough of this levity, since Seed says humor is not part of my programming. Is there a story behind the song?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Alice
Date: 04 Dec 98 - 10:28 AM

Joe, my mom was raised on a homestead in Musselshell county (MT). Her dad played the fiddle and sang for dances that neighbors got together. Her dad had worked in mines and on the great lakes, and was a 'Red'. He knew a many songs of a wide ranging variety. She knew the song. I was pre-school age when I first heard it from her. Neither of us were in Girl Scouts. I am sure it is not just a Girls Scout song, although it can be found in thier songbook. I recently found an old notebook that she had filled with song lyrics, written in pencil, while she was in high school. She had to leave home to attend high school in Billings, and that is where she would have first had a home with electricity and a radio (the 30's). There are lyrics to songs she heard on the readio such as "When It's Lamp Lighting Time in the Valley", "Dinner for One Please James" "Roll Along Prairie Moon". I looked, but no "Home's In Montana".


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Les B
Date: 04 Dec 98 - 11:49 AM

Sorry to dispel any illusions that this song is full blown traditional; I forgot to mention when I added the second verse (which we around here sing) that Glenn Ohrlin in his book of cowboy songs, "Hell Bound Train," says that the second & third verses were added to the first -- included by Margaret Larkin (?) in her book "Singin Cowboys" -- by a commercial company (Ginn, I believe, I'm at work and don't have any of these references handy)to be appealing to kiddies. The same way Coca Cola developed the image of Santa Claus in the red & white suit in the 1930's! But it's a good song anyway.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Dale Rose
Date: 04 Dec 98 - 12:26 PM

Darn, wish this had come up a couple of weeks ago. I was talking to Glenn Ohrlin, and could well have gotten the straight scoop from him. Don't know for sure when I will run into him next.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: GaryD
Date: 04 Dec 98 - 11:24 PM

Speaking of Cowboy Songs, I'm still looking for yodeling... Check out my thread updated again today "Yodeling..." Any help is appreciated. Gary


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Dec 98 - 03:21 AM

No, Alice, I really don't think it got its start as a Girl Scout song. The Ditty Bag songbook (Janet Tobitt, 1946) says the words for "My Home's in Montana" are taken from Blending Voices of the World of Music series, 1936, and are used with the permission of Ginn & Company, owners of the copyright.
but the darn thing doesn't tell the story of the song.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Aerin
Date: 05 Dec 98 - 11:57 AM

Wow. i never knew so much about this song. The 1930 thing makes since though, since my grandma was born in 1932. I'll ask her where she got it from later today, but it's too early here right now.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Alice
Date: 05 Dec 98 - 12:08 PM

hmmm.... Joe, I just called my 80 year old aunt to ask if she heard this song as a child. She didn't know it or remember ever hearing it. My mom probably learned it from listening to the radio. Detective work on the earliest recording?


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Aerin
Date: 05 Dec 98 - 02:16 PM

My grandma said she either learned it from school or from her mom, because her mom knew it. And i don't think they had a radio either. All her cousin knew it to, but only the first verse. They said they'd find it for her, but they never could.


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Subject: Origins: My Home's in Montana
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Dec 98 - 03:05 AM

I posted a question about this song at rec.music.folk and got a reply from Sam Hinton. Here's what he said:
On Sun, Dec 06, 1998, joeoffer@my-dejanews.com (Joe Offer) wrote:

A request for "My Home's in Montana" at the Mudcat Cafe generated quite a discussion about the background of this song, but nobody had any definite answers. Is this a traditional song, or just one of the many "Cowboy Songs" that came out of Tin Pan Alley? I found the lyrics in the "Girl Scout Pocket Songbook" and in "The Ditty Bag," but not in any of the more reputable folk songbooks. Can anyone give us a background on this song?

**********************
This song, which is a version of "The Cowboy's Lament" or "The Streets of Laredo" appeared in 1931 in the book Singing Cowboy by Margaret Larkin (NY: Alfred A. Knopf). In her headnotes she says "This version of the more familiar "Streets of Laredo" was given me by a Montana puncher. Some real folk poet must have distilled these rich stanzas from the rather diffuse Laredo incident. ...... " Lomax quotes this tune and the first verse (starting "My home's in Montana, I wear a bandana,") from Larkin in the 1938 edition of his Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads (NY: McMillan).

BTW, in my Oklahoma and East Texas youth -- before Larkin's book -- I knew this song in the Streets of Laredo version, but with the tune as given in Larkin. This tune is derived from an Irish tune called "Norah McShane" while the more-familiar tune is from "The Bard of Armagh." (This latter tune is the one that can be heard at Digital Tradition under "Cowboy's Lament". As far as I know, the first publication of the words to "The Streets of Laredo" was in Songs of the Cowboys by N. Howard ("Jack") Thorp (NY: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1908). Jack wrote that he had learned it in Wisner, Nebraska in 1886, and that "authorship is usually credited to Troy Hale, of Battle Creek, Nebraska."
Sam Hinton
La Jolla, CA

Thanks, Sam. wish we could get you to visit us here every once in a while.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: Lonesome Cowboy
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 09:50 AM

Wow! (Ask a simple question....) I'm enjoying this song more and more!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song?
From: kendall
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 10:31 AM

This is incredible..every day when I wake, there is a song in my head. Today, yup, My Home's in Montana!! then I check the mudcat forum, and there it is.. what are the chances?


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,Mary
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 05:05 PM

My family LOVES when I sing this song in my Okie twang NOT....although I was born in Montana...I lived as an Okie for a very long time!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,Mary
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 05:13 PM

BTW I have the 1956 girlscout pocket handbook and I can't find that song in there!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 06:19 PM

The Larkin (1931) version of "The Cowboy's Lament" was posted by Masato in thread 42786. This is the "My Home's in Montana" version. My home's in Montana

A correction to Sam Hinton's letter. The first publication was in a privately printed little volume in 1908, by The News Print Shop, Estancia, New Mexico. The version printed in the bound volume, "Songs of the Cowboys," HM NY, 1921, was completely different and has become much better known according to the Fifes ("Songs of the Cowboys," N. Howard Thorp but much expanded by the Fifes, Clarkson N. Potter, publisher, 1966).


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,k. t.
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 12:16 AM

i am a highschool student at Billings Senior High School in MT, my family has lived in Montana since the Homstead Act. this song has always been a favorite of mine! i thought would mention that they still teach this song in Elementary School! along with "Git Along Little Doggies" "Clementine" and "M-O-N-T-A-N-A" (which how many other states can boast that almost everyone in their state knows their state song?)they also still teach the dance to the "Virginia Reel" i must say that even though we aren't a state stuck in the Wild West Days... we do have a lot of culture! i wouldn't have it any other way! i have enjoyed reading all these threads!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Haruo
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 03:05 AM

Doggies, GUESTk t? I was taught "doggies" were "canines" and "dogies" were cattle. To rhyme, visually as well as aurally, with "stogies".

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 11:00 PM

Dogie is preferred. Doggie appeared in several writings from the turn of the century and in a few song versions, but has disappeared. Also no longer used are dobie and dogy.

Guest k. t., be thankful that "Montana" is a pretty good song. A really bad one, sung by no one, is "O Fair New Mexico" (my state song), written by a daughter of Pat Garrett (the guy who gunned down Billy Bonney).


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 12:15 PM

Glen Ohrlin sang this song at Newport one year --'64?    Tw


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 02:14 PM

Ohrlin's lyrics to "My Home's in Montana" and other lyrics to the song are posted in thread 42786: Home Montana


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,Ken
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 06:58 PM

Not sure if this question belongs here or in a new thread, but a dim childhood memory tells me when we "almost" finished singing MY HOME'S IN MONTANA with the lines:

When I have partaken of beans and of bacon
I whistle a merry old song of the trail.

We sang and/or whistled an anticlimax sort of line to an entirely different tune:

There's an old trail, winding o'er the prairie
To that old girl [gal?] of mine.

Does anyone know if this was a common ending or a part of a different song? Are there more lyrics that go with this line? And how can I find them?

Since this is my first visit to this site and I'm unsure about practices, would it be against the rules to request a reply directly to retzerk@cox.net? If so, delete this paragraph when posting.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 11:33 PM

It is a different song, but at the moment my mind is grinding gears on "There's a long, long trail a-winding."
If anyone knows the song Ken has a piece of, please post here as well as emailing.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,Lola
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 08:03 PM

My home's in Montana, I wear a bandanna.
My spurs are of silver. My pony is gray.
Whatever the weather, we travel together,
With foot in the stirrup, on gallop all day.

We're up with the sun. There is work to be done.
In the wind open spaces, that's where we would be.
When far form the ranches, I chop the pine branches.
Montana is home for my pony and me!

And when to lay out a bed when the starlight is pale;
And I have partaken of beans and of bacon
I whistle a merry old song of the trail!

I learned this at camp for all seasons and I'm not sure I got all the lyrics right but this is super close!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Alice
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 08:59 AM

Just, a note, even though it may belong to the family of Bard of Armagh/Laredo tunes, the song really sounds more like Molly Malone. It is now used as a sound track to a commercial that is being broadcast in the state.

ALice


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 05:30 PM

Perhaps notes from thread 42786 should be amplified and repeated here:
"My Home's in Montana"

"Henry M. Halvorson, former editor-in-chief at Ginn and Company, told Judith McCullough that Christine Turner, who wrote many music lyrics for Ginn, paraphrased the words of Larkin's "The Cowboy Lament" for use in "Singing Days," World of Music Series, a one-book course designed for use in one-room rural schools. The song was included on the first of thirteen 78 rpm records pressed by Victor to accompany "Singing Days;" it was sung by Olive Kline, soprano, with piano accompaniment by Myrtle C. Eaver.
"A. Larkin, pp. 14-15 (for the model on which Glenn's text was built). [This refers to the verses and music in Ohrlin's book]
"[B.] Lingenfelter, pp. 426-27 (for the tune only).
"C. Marguerite V. Hood, Glenn Gildersleeve, and Helen S. Leavett, "Singing Days," (Boston: Ginn & Co., 1936), p. 18.
Janet E. Tobitt, "The Ditty Bag," (New York: Tobitt, 1946), p. 50.
"D. Olive Kline (1935), "The Cowboy," Victor 25300.
"E. Glenn Ohrlin, "The Hell-Bound Train," University of Illinois, Campus Folksong Club CFC 301. The text is transcribed in Austin E. Fife and Alta S. Fife, "Songs of the Cowboys by N. Howard ("Jack") Thorp" (New York: Clarkson N. Porter, 1966), p. 170.
[NOTE: The song "My Home's in Montana" did not appear in either of Thorp's books, 1908 and 1921; it would not be written for another 15 years. The title of this rather scholarly study by the Fifes has mislead many who have not read their book].
"----, "Montana is My Home," Traditional Music in Newport, 1964, part 2, Vanguard VRS 79183." (end of quote).
From Ohrlin, Glenn, 1973, "The Hell-Bound Train, a Cowboy Songbook," p. 246, Biblio-Discography, University of Illinois Press.

In the text of the book, Ohrlin titled Ch. 1 "My Home's in Montana."
He wrote: Among my very earliest memories are the Montana broncs my grandparents farmed with all through the thirties at Winger, Minnesota, in the Red River Valley of the North, where the northern prairies begin. Somewhere along in those years I learned this song, "My Home's in Montana," from my Aunt Irene .... and other neighbor kids who learned it in school from Ginn and Company songbooks. It was a favorite song and very common in that area. Boys from that country often went to the Dakotas and Montana to work with wheat harvests and some just naturally got a start on the cow and horse ranches in the same states....................
"Anyway, "My Home's in Montana" painted a vivid picture for us then and is still among my favorites."

Because of its appearance in the school songbooks, and reprints in scout and other song books, it became known to children in both the United States and Canada, and in their minds, became a 'real' cowboy song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Cruiser
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:00 AM

I agree with Alice. As I wrote in a similar thread:

Compare these 2 lines from each song:

"Mussels and Cockels a-live a-live oh"

and

"With foot in the stirrup I'll gallop all day"

The melodic contours are very close.

Cruiser


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 03:11 PM

The variation in the music was pointed out by Dicho, 06 Jun 02 (and others), in thread 42786.
The variant music is from Margaret Larkin, 1931 Knopf, 1963 Oak), "The Cowboy's Lament" pp. 30-31; Glenn Ohrlin (see citation above); Lomax and Lomax, 1938 "Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads," version 3 of the "Cowboy's Lament" (copied from Larkin without acknowledgement).
The music was tweaked further by Christine Turner in "My Home's in Montana," for publication in Ginn's school songbook, and the four-line three-verse lyrics were written by her. Turner took only the first two lines from the Larkin model, since "shot in the bowels" was not suitable for a children's song book (although children appreciate gore).

Digressing a bit, good folk singers vary their rendition according to the emphasis they wish to give to various points in the story. If one looks through printed versions of "The Cowboy's Lament" and "The Streets..." other variant music is found; e. g., the music of Powder River Jack Lee ("Cowboy Songs," 1938, pp. 82-83) for that line fits neither 'cockles and mussels' nor the usual "Streets..." music. "Wrapped in his wet blanket and cold as the clay," with 'blank-' sung to the highest note on the line (ugh!).
There are many others depending on the effect desired. Cf. the effect in the first line- "As I walked out (high notes)- in the streets of Laredo" (sung to low notes) with that of "As I walked in the streets of Laredo (rising to 'in the' then gradually dropping to 'Laredo' (as sung by Jules Verne Allen, my preference).

Not important, but where did the line "With foot in the stirrup I'll gallop all day" come from? The Ginn textbook, or scout song book or other?
Ohrlin quotes the lyrics from the school songbook as "With foot in my stirrup, I gallop for aye." Has anyone got the Ginn songbook?
The pony changes from gray to bay in some renditions. No one seems to have come up yet with "my pony is gay."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 04:26 PM

The lyrics and music in the "Girl Scout Pocket Songbook," 1956, Joe Offer, above, are identical with those in the older "The Ditty Bag," 1946, Janet E. Tobitt, New York. The lyrics in the latter are marked to be sung "With a riding rhythm," p. 50). It has the melodic 'contours' noted by Cruiser.
I haven't seen the Ginn and Co. school song book, so can't say if the melody is the same.

The notes vary somewhat from those in Ohrlin, until line four, where the difference is marked. "With foot in the stirrup" descends from a high note and "I gallop away" is low. In Ohrlin, "With my foot in the stirrup" notes remain high with a hold on stirrup, and "I gallop for aye" is moderately low. The effect is quite different.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 05:40 AM

I'm a happy puncher today as I've finally caught up with this and the related threads. (You'll find my query re an "I Am a Vaquero" variant in the threads listed at the top.) Only now have I lucked onto the followup from earlier -- if that makes any sense.

Leading me to ask: Anyone know anything at all about the "I am a vaquero, I wear a sombrero" version that came out on record (I think) or at least on transcription disk, as I heard it on the radio in the 1940s?

I'm wondering if it was just a knockoff of "My Home's in Montana" or had some separate existence.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Cruiser
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:25 AM

Q:

Thank you for your song research and detailed posts.

I like to think of melodic motion (the correct musicological term) as contours instead; the peaks and valleys of notes as they undulate over the topography of the scales.

Crusier


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 11:44 AM

Cruiser, it seems to be a good way of describing the flow of the music.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:13 PM

I remember the parody, "I am a vaquero," from a long time ago. I think I first heard it on a radio comedy show, but can't remember who sang it or the words beyond those you cite.
At the time, there were several comedians who specialized in dialect humor- who was the one who ended his Mexican dialect sentences with "I theenk" ?
All victim to so-called political correctness.

Bob Coltman, you have been asking about the vaquero for a long time. Maybe someone will remember the words this time.


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Subject: Wanted the verse of
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 10:32 PM

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Click here for "Dinner for One"

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:19 PM

Guest Bill, I presume you mean the song by Nat King Cole or Frank Sinatra, not the traditional television play.
I have opened a thread requesting it since it is lost here.


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Subject: ADD Version: MY HOME'S IN MONTANA
From: GUEST,kt
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 09:55 PM

Here's the New England version:

MY HOME'S IN MONTANA

My home's in Montana, I wear a bandanna
My spurs are of silver, my pony is gray
When riding the ranges my luck never changes
With foot in the stirrup I'll gallop for aye.

When valleys are dusty, my pony is trusty
He lopes through the blizzards, the snow in his ears,
The cattle may scatter but what does it matter
My rope is a halter for pig-headed steers.

When far from the ranches I chop the pine branches
To heap on my campfire as daylight grows pale,
When I have partaken of beans and of bacon
I whistle a merry old song of the trail.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,ann
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 02:25 PM

isn't there a lyric:

My home's in Montana, I left Indiana
to start a new home way out in the woods

my skin's tough as leather, my rough from the weather
the blah blah blah blah from the land I love best

I remember learning this from gradeschool, but can't find it anywhere.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,deb
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 11:13 AM

Looks like this is an old thread, but thanks to all of you. My history with this song is anecdotal, coming from three of my father's sisters.

In the late 30s, early 40s, their family traveled to a piece of property in Canada for the summers (though they were not rich, obviously they were VERY lucky). The car ride up was usually as much of an event as the summers on the farm. My dad was the only sone and as soon as they were in Montana, he would launch into his extremely monotone version of "My Home's in Montana". All of the recollections of these aunts were that this song was unbearably long, my dad was unbearably horrible and after one verse there would be a chorus of "Mom, Dad! Make him stop."

To which my mischevious grandmother would reply "Let him sing it all the way through one time without interruption." This is something four older sisters could not accomplish as someone always groaned or protested so the next 100 miles would be an endless repeat of the first 5-6 lines.

There are 2 of these aunts still with us on the earthly prairie, and the reason I'm seeking out these lyrics (so surprised to find out there are not 50 verses!) is that tonight, my brother and I are going to call them (they're together this Christmas) and I'm going to introduce my brother singing a traditional family "carol" at which point, he is going to launch into his equally-monotonal rendition of My Home's in Montana.

Wonder how long it will take them to holler "STOP, please!"

Thanks to all for the lively discussion.
Deb


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: kendall
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 12:00 PM

Guest kt,
that's the version I got from a school book back in the 40s


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 12:55 PM

I once knew two characters who used to combine this song, alternate lines, with-
My name's Yon Yonson,
I come from Visconsin,
I verk in de lumber mills dere,
Ev'ry wan dat I meet,
I tale on de street,-
My name is Yon Yonson, ...

I think you need a few drinks to get the interplay going.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: open mike
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 05:39 PM

regarding the term Vaquero
(from Vaca which is spanish for cow)
I just heard this aqccount:
the term Buckaroo is an anglified
(or bastardized?) pronunciaton
of the word Vaquero..


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:15 PM

I've kinda skimmed this thread. Has anyone mentioned the recording of a version of this song on one of the Newport Folk Festival albums (1964?) with, I think, Glenn Ohrlin singing? Tw


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:37 PM

"Cowboys- Vaqueros," Origins of the First American Cowboys, by Donald Gilbert y Chavez, contains a section (Chapter 11) on the language, or lingo, of the Cowboy, and is especially good with regard to those words which have been borrowed and/or altered from the original Spanish.
Buckaroo, indeed, is derived from Vaquero.

Available in printed form from the University of New Mexico, but also on line as a pdf book at this website:
http://www.nmhcpl.org/COWBOY.html

If you also are interested in New Mexico Hispanic Culture, go to http://www.nmhcpl.org
(click on Vaqueros to find the book)


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,Someone who knows the song
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:17 AM

The rest of the song is:

yippie ki i a
git along little doggies
it's your misfortune and none of my own
yippie ki i a
git along little doggies
you know that Wyoming will be your new home.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:57 PM

Wrong song, Guest. Your verse is from "Git Along Little Dogies." See DT and thread 67615, among others.
Git Along


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Subject: RE: Lyrics- Cowboy Song? - My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,EHD
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 07:13 PM

Does anyone know the next line in the version of the song that goes like this:

My home's in Montana
I left Indiana
To find a new life far away in the West
I learned how to lasso
Way down in El Paso
_____________________________
And this is the line I'm missing....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's In Montana
From: GUEST,Geno65
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 08:51 PM

2nd verse
When Far from the ranches
I chop my pine branches
to heap on my campfire
as daylight grow pale.
When I have I have par takin
of beans and of bacon
I whislte a merry old song of the trail


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's In Montana
From: Artful Codger
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 05:31 PM

EHD, see this related thread, particularly Q's post of 19 Dec 04, which may supply your missing line. In that particular version, your verse is split as part of two separate verses. Hope this helps, if somewhat belatedly.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,Deb in Illinois
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:36 AM

Well, maybe the Midwest version is a little different. I learned something like.....

My home's in Montana
I left Indiana
to start a new life far away in the west
My skin's tough as leather.......

AND THAT'S AS FAR AS I CAN GO. I don't remember any more but did learn it as a child.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,Mary F.
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 03:32 PM

Howdy. I come from Montana! Been here 11 yrs, but learned the song as a young kid in St. Paul, Minnesota. It wasn't until I went to
St. Olaf College in Northfield, Mn & learned the St. Olaf "Rouser"
song: "I come from St. Olaf, we sure are the real stuff...
       Our team is the cream of the colleges great.
       We fight fast & furious, our team is injurious.
       Tonite Carleton College will sure meet it's fate!
          um ya ya um ya ya
          um ya ya um ya ya
          um ya ya um ya ya
          um ya ya um ya ya ya!" ..... played to the tune of tubas.   
It's the very same tune as "I come from Montana!"
Those in the know...know!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 09:52 PM

Gee! I thought St. Olaf was a great music school.

After all that um ya ya I dunno.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,Larry
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 10:07 PM

Here's what I remember of the lyrics from a record in the mid 1980's

verse 1 I come from Montana I wear a bandana
my spurs are silver my horse is a bay
I've been a roamin all over
Wyoming there's plenty of work but there ain't too much pay

Chorus
It's horses and cattle and a double rig saddle
a stout line a catch twine and a good ropin horn
Wherever there's ranches I'm takin my chances from sunrise to sunset since the day I was born

verse 2 Started out for Laramie early one Saturday
Spring was breakin the grass turning green
?????

Another verse had the words "Went up to Idaho" and "you can stay out of debt if you stay out of town"

I wish I could find all of them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,JUDY MAC
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 03:56 PM

While I was a little girl in MN in the 1940s and 50s, I dreamed of someday growing up and becoming a cowgirl. I used to dress up as one, sit on an oil barrel which was turned on its side, pretend the barrel was my horse, and sing "my Home's in Montana". I grew up, did not become a cowgirl, eventually retired, and moved to Arizona, where I find it is too hot in the summer. So last week I flew to Montana and looked at that as a potential for living during next summer. While there, my childhood memories came back, including the singing of "My Home's in Montana". I came home and decided to find the exact words and if I can get it on karaoke. I found both. Thanks everyone.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Alice
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 04:09 PM

Hey, Guest Judy, you are welcome to make this your home! Summer is the best time.

Alice in Montana


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Willie-O
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 10:18 PM

What a cool thread revival. I'm pretty sure our old buddy Meghan Merker recorded this song. Alice, I bet you know her eh?    I mean, Montana's pretty small. Just like Canada.

W_O


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,numin
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 11:35 PM

I seem to remember a verse with something about using a saddle for a pillow and maybe something about staring at the stars after a long day. Anybody know these words?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,Porter Schermerhorn
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 10:41 AM

I love Montana and have studied it all my life. When I was going there I met an old cowboy named Spike Van Cleve who had just been inducted into the Cowboy Hall of Fame, lived in Big timber, and owned...owned!...Big Crazy Mountain. We talked all the way from Chicago to Big Timber. He was traveling Greyhound 'cause he hated to fly. Had just written a book called Twenty Years' Gatherin's. Harvard educated with a daughter named Buckshot and a son named Tack.He offered me a job, I think (I never was really sure.)Boy was I impressed. Can't really say he was very impressed with me,although he was quite taken with my beautiful fiancee. But he was big and friendly. Here's some of what I remember of that song:

I am from Montana, I wear a bandanna,
My spurs are of silver, my pony is gray,
When ridin' the ranges, my luck never changes,
With foot in the stirrup I gallop away!

I wash in a pool, and I wipe on a sack,
I carry my wardrobe all on my back,
My fire is kindled with the chips gathered round,
And I boil my own coffee without being ground.

But then if my meal isn't very complete,
Who can blame me for wanting to eat?
And show me a man who can sleep more sound
Than a hard-ridin' cowboy who sleeps on the ground.
(I might have forgotten some of what comes next and some of this may be out of order)

I am from Montana, I wear a bandanna,
My spurs are of silver, my pony is gray,
The cattle may scatter, but what does it matter?
With foot in the stirrup I gallop away!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,MONTANA RYLEY
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 05:21 AM

NO COWBOY EVER CAME FROM BIG TIMBER

LUMBER JACKS AND GAMBLERS THAT IS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,guest Maren
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 12:52 AM

I just heard this song for the first time last year from my sons 1st grade class, and we live in Arizona. But I grew up camping every summer in Montana that it feels like I'm going home. My dad grew up in Idaho and spent the summers in Montana. Every time we cross the state line I think to myself, if God lived on the earth today it would be in Montana. It's not just 'big sky country' - it's Gods Country. The best part of camping was every morning my dad would wake us up yelling, "Good Morning Montana! We love you." We still carry on this tradition 30 plus years later.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:45 AM

My son got this song to learn for boy scouts and it had a verse not mentioned yet
I'm up with the sun
There's work to be done
roaming the ranges is where I will be
Out here in the west
Is the life I love best
Montana is home for my doggie and me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: GUEST,A New Age Montanan
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 05:58 PM

My Home's In Montana
I have no bandana
My shoes are dull brown,
my car is gray.
When driving through downtown
I often will feel down
With foot on the pedal I'll drive away
...
With foot on the pedal I'll drive away
When valleys are dusty
My car is trusty
He drives through the blizzard
The snow in his wheels
The papers may scatter
But what does it matter
My pen is a halter for too large bills
Chorus:
...
My pen is a halter for too large bills
When far from my work
I clean and I cook
I turn on my oven
As darkness draws near
When I have partaken
Of steaks and smoked bacon
I whistle a new age "song of the trail"

...
I whistle a new age "song of the trail"
My home's in Montana
I have no bandana
My shoes are dull brown
My car is gray
When driving through downtown
I often will feel down
With foot on the pedal I'll drive away
Chorus (Repeat)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Haruo
Date: 28 Aug 12 - 11:22 AM

It may not be great music, but it's a great college fight song (I heard it on Prairie Home Companion recently, sung by the St. Olaf choir). Here's a YouTube rendition by a couple of prospective great musicians, and already cute girls: ST OLAF FIGHT SONG.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Aug 12 - 12:12 PM

St. Olaf is in Minnesota.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: Haruo
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 01:49 AM

Yes, that explains a great deal.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: My Home's in Montana
From: kendall
Date: 20 May 14 - 07:25 AM

Roll on little dogies roll on.
At night as I sleep by my camp fire and gaze at the stars in the sky, I wonder if ever a cowboy would go to that sweet by and by...

Memory fails.


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