What's up with Mudcat this time!!???

Subject: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:30 AM

Just when I thought it was all better and we could get on it, it's started being down in teh day again! Could someone please tell us what's happening and if Mudcat is ever going to get back to normal again?????

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,~S~
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:57 AM

Try:

http://207.103.108.99/threads.cfm?

~S~

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,sandra in sydney
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:16 AM

copied from recent posts on help.mudcat.org -

the first is from Chris Maltby, the translation from Jon. And I don't understand any of it, tho Jon's plain English translation at least means something. I just don't know why it is so.

sandra
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Both Sandra-in-Sydney and I reckon Mudcat is down. I can traceroute to the server but no-one is talking on port 80.
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Sandra, 80 is the standard HTTP (what you use for web browsing) port. You could translate what he said as "the computer itself is running but the web server on it isn't".
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Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,JennyO
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:24 AM

Hmm. Answers Ping, but starts to load and just sits there. Oh well, at least we can get in here.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:34 AM

I don't know WHY either Sandra but the webserver is just another piece of software running on a computer and as with any other application, can crash.

What a webserver does is sits there listening (usualy on port 80) for someone like you with say IE to ask it to give you a page, which hopefully it supplies. HTTP (hypertext transfer protocol) is the "language" both parties understand.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:40 AM

BTW, I could be wrong but I think Ping is a request to an "echo server" - port 7???

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:07 AM

Yes ~S~, I know..that's how I managed to get in here...but I can't use the chat and I can't send or receive PMs. And I really would like to be kept INFORMED of what's going on and what the prospects are, wouldn't you? Is this going to be happening every day for weeks again? Does anyone know when it's going to be fixed? It would be far less irritating if someone would just post progress reports every so often or something.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,sandra
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:09 AM

Jon, I've had enough of applications misbehaving. Chris just finished setting up my iMac on Sunday & now the mail is playing silly buggers. He will be back to do more techo stuff asap, tho as he has a life it won't be as soon as I want!!

aren't computer's wonderful when they work properly

sandra

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,sandra again
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:14 AM

it's so frustrating when Mudcat is down, or as has been the case, when my computer was also not doing the right thing. I've watched all the members post & the only way I could get in was vis the IP as a guest.

Lynne, if the people you want to contaact are also members of the Annex, you can PM them there.

as it is early morning Mudcat-time Max probably doesn't know it's playing up again.

sandra

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,yet again
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:21 AM

Lynne, I can't see you as a member of the Annex, so if you want to join here is the address

The Annex

Jon created the Annex for Mudcatters to discuss non-music matters

sandra

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:31 AM

Yep Sandra, but at times even the simplest and stupidest things can drive you nuts.

I had one with Pip this morning. I'd persuaded her into Firefox and Thunderbird and away from OE/IE and installed the software for her. I got a yell that she couldn't post to the Annexe. Took me about 1hr to spot something which in all honestey should have been obvious to me...

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:34 AM

Well I should be on Annexe...I joined last time Mudcat was down every day. Thanks though. However, a lot of people aren't on Annexe, so PMing is still a problem. What I REALLY miss is my middle-of-the-day chat.

And Max ought to know it's playing up..it's happening at the same time every day AGAIN.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Giok P'd Off too
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:58 AM

Well I tried to log on to the Annexe several times, and it wouldn't let me register. I e-mailed jonbanjo no reply!

Giok

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:06 AM

It hasn't come to me Giok but assuming you posted to [e-mail], maybe Pip or Mary have it. If you want, try me at [e-mail] and I can probably sort it out.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Three Laps Ship Sheding Structure
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:16 AM

And I thought it was just me who couldnt get properly logged on

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,flamenco ted
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:24 AM

hello three sheds, I can't get in either.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:27 AM

I've had a reply from Giok which I'm trying to deal with but TLSSS, what is the problem you are getting. I could do with something like an error message reported or a sequence of events to stand a chance of working out what if anything is wrong.

Like what for example happens if you go to register, submit your details, does it accept them? Or maybe you are trying to login with Mudcat details that have yet to be registered by you at the Annexe?

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:43 AM

OK, I think most of this is looking like a missunderstanding of the system. I have changed wording on this page in the hope that will help avoid one problem.

Any further problems, please do let me know.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:57 AM

Thanks for the info about Annexe. For what its worth, I just registered on there and it worked.

No disrespect intended, but I'd rather be posting here and be able to PM etc.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Azizi
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:58 AM

Sorry that last post was from me.

Azizi

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 10:48 AM

Hooray! It's back! After roughly 6 1/2 hours..much the same as yesterday. Is this going to happen again tomorrow I wonder? Too late for me to go and sit in the chat room and wait for company now......

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:07 AM

Well it failed me again Jon, registering that is, fill in all the fields, and I get a http500 error message.
Giok

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:34 AM

OK, John, I've got a few of my own access problems here (my test IIS I use to check code before putting it onto the live site is refusing to play) today but it looks like there is a bug with apostrophies in the Username.

Try John (Giok) Mackenzie for now. I think you will find it will work. It can be changed later.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: nutty
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:44 AM

I had no problem getting in this morning (approx8.45am) although it was a little slow loading.

Remember New York and the East Coast, where I believe Max lives, are experiencing the worst weather conditions for years.

Although this may be frustrating for you as individuals a little patience and understanding would not come amiss.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:52 AM

...patience and understanding. Yes. Also, why say !!??? when ? will do?

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:31 PM

Sorted thanks Jon I am now bracketted.
Giok

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Bassic
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 01:11 PM

I think the frustration comes from lack of information.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Bassic
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 01:19 PM

This was on the help forum from John

Subject: RE: Down?
From: John In Kansas
Date: 25-Jan-05 - 08:52 AM

I'm getting the same symptom as before. The main thread site starts to open, no error message, just sits and waits. Apparently the "search engine" associated with the crud Max asked us to clean up just sends so many "search results" that it monopolizes the server. The server appears to be running, but it's just too busy to finish the page download with my slow connection.

The guess is that someone who has the "search bar" on their machine has visited again, and it's doing its search all over again - probably with multiple bots all running, since this thing apparently puts a new bot on every page you visit, if you're a carrier. (breeder might be a better term here.) Typhoid Mary(s) on the web.

John

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:05 PM

leeneia, the reason for the !!??? is that ? wouldn't do. I was annoyed and frustrated that we are still not being given any infomation despite the fact that this problem has been going on since Christmas. If you want patience and understanding, making comments that are only likely to annoy and enrage is not the way to go about getting it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact, now I come to think of it...get stuffed!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:28 PM

Just a little point... when you put Mudcat into a search engine and click on the link to Mudcat.org provided, it seems to be trying to log on via Loki. I thought Loki was no longer available...

Could it be someone is getting frustrated at always getting sent up a dead end?

LTS

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:29 PM

Sounds like necrophilia that Liz

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:58 PM

Liz, I get Mudcat through my 'favorites' list, but tried search on google and Mudcat was at top of the list. Quick access.

When was all this trouble? Looked at 8:30 PM MST last night and everthing was fine, and fine again when I looked this morning at 10:30 AM MST.
(Of course if you don't keep proper Amurican hours...)

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Teresa
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:03 PM

I think discussion of Mudcat problems might get more replies if you go to the help forum and post. http://help.mudcat.org From there you can also send pm or email to Max or Joe or Jeff.

Teresa

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:16 PM

Well said Teresa,someone has a brain and its not me,lol.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: nutty
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:57 PM

I really fail to see what such outbursts of frustration achieve except to try and make the situation appear greater than it actually is.

A posting at 6.30am hardly means that the Mudcat had been down all day in fact when checking back through the postings it seems that it had only been off line for about half an hour at that time ......

In fact, it was only down for about 3 hours which given the weather conditions could have been something entirely out of Max's control.
And also, given the weather conditions, I am sure he has had more to worry about than just Mudcat.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:26 PM

No Nutty..it was actually down, as far as the front door goes, for 6 1/2 hours.And I can't see that recent weather conditions can have anythign to do with it, given that this same problem (ie being down between about 9 and 3 UK time every day) has been going on since New Year.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: nutty
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:51 PM

Sorry to contradict Lynne but if you check, as I did, through the times of the postings for the last 3 days you will see that there has not been a 6 hour gap.
Which means that although you may not have been able to access Mudcat other people have.

I run 3 browsers and often get access through one when I can't with another .....

The fact that I can't get access with Netscape or IE has nothing to do with Mudcat but with the vageries of my system.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Snuffy
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:34 PM

I think Lynne is saying that www.mudcat.org has indeed often been down for 6 hours at a time, although people (myself included) have been able to get in via other routes like 207.103.108.99.

Coming in by this route you are forced to be a guest and cannot access PMs , chat etc.

It has been going on too long for it to be the weather: Max's own explanation for the problems is at the top of the threads page and here.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: hesperis
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:13 PM

Well, the Santy worm is being annoying lately as well and has caused bottlenecked traffic all over the internet. As ISPs install filters for it this slowdown should clear up.

So, make sure your computer is clean of spyware and adware... and always remember that the internet isn't a rock-solid thing so it might not be a server problem.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM

Shouldn't this thread be- What's down with Mudcat...?

Hush! hush! hush! hush!
We're all tumbled down.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Rosie
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:28 PM

It should say?
Hush!hush!hush!hush!
we're all tumbled down Lynnes front!!

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Bassic
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 05:44 AM

Well it looks like the Mudcat.org front door approach is down yet again.....Last post by someone able to post with a Cookie looks to have been about 5.15 am Mudcat time, 10.15 am Uk time. Things had started to get slower for the previous half hour. If John in K is correct, I wonder if it could be someone in the UK, arriving at work about 9ish, and logging into MC and inadvertantly letting loose the "Bot" attack each time? If it is a "Work" PC then unless they have authorisation to run software like Spybot, it may be that they are infected and not aware, and not allowed to run Spybot to check either. Speculation I know but in the absence of any other info there is not much else to do.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Wrinkles
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 06:02 AM

Well it's Wednesday 10.44am in frosty Berkshire and I've had to use the backdoor yet again

Thanks Bassic, I was baffled when I read the Funweb explaination because it seemed to say the problem was in our own computers, not mudcat, yet the browser I use is safe from most adware/spyware (that is I can pick them up but there's nothing for them to get a handle on and get out again or effect operations) and my regular housekeeping rids my comp of them every couple of days. You're saying however that someone with Funweb "infects" the Cat which buggers it for everyone?

I do hope a cure is found soon; PM and Chat as well as threading had become part of my morning routine and I miss the bits of the Cat I can not get to via the back door.

Barbara

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,JennyO
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 06:03 AM

Just like last time - you can almost set your watch by it. So if it runs true to form, it will be up again in about 6 hours. Ho hum.

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Giok P'd Off too
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 06:34 AM

Yep I got in earlier OK, and now it's time for a 99 again. No raspberry sauce on mine thanks!
Giok

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 08:28 AM

So, all that said, what's up?

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,JennyO
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 08:39 AM

Come on over folks, Backdoor Tavern 99 is open and the Guinness is on the house!

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: GUEST,Azizi
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:12 AM

Well, I tried but I got an error message for the Backdoor Tavern..so I guess patience is a virtue...

so I'll check back to this discussion forum later. I guess I'm supposed to do work instead..

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 10:15 AM

I couldn't get in the back door either.. The 'Cat was lethargic at 10.55am (GMT UK), stopped at about 11.00am and is back now at 3.00pm.

I would be inclined to agree with Bassic and Lynne, the regular time slot is a bit suspicious and could warrant investigation.

LTS

Subject: RE: What's up with Mudcat this time!!???
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 10:24 AM

Yes, I agree. However it wasn't down for so long this time. The last post from a member was at 5.14am mudcat time, and the first post from a member after it came back was at 9.27am mudcat time. So it was only down for a bit over 4 hours, instead of its usual 7 or so. All of which means.......I have no idea!