Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.

Subject: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:15 PM

WHITBY CLUB no longer meets at the Plough,and from WED.26TH JANUARY 2005 it will meet at the FRIENDSHIP ROWING CLUB. Club nights will normally be held in the downstairs bar overlooking the harbour.
The club had to find a new venue at short notice due to Samuel Smiths Brewery plolicy on the new licensing laws and the performing of live music in their pubs.
The club will still meet every Wednesday at 8-30pm and will continue to be basically run as a Sing-a-round with musical interludes, where everyone is encouraged to contribute to the friendly atmosphere.
As ever we will be pleased to welcome new or existing friends, holidaymakers,old or young to the FRIENDSHIP any WEDNESDAY you,re in WHITBY.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: nutty
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:21 PM

I wonder how they will manage during Folk Week when the pub is usually
full of folk singers??

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:32 PM

and in Beverley when Nellies is packed to the gills -oh well one less holiday for Humphrey!!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:11 PM

Folk festival time must have been the most profitable weekend in the year for Nellies and a whole week for The Plough. Although they are both (I think) managed houses surely the manager gets a bonus on sales like other breweries/operating companies. Humphrey may soon have lots of staff vacancies. Surely the man will see sense when his profits are hit.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:04 PM

All Sam Smiths Pubs are managed houses,Humphrey,s never allowed tennants,alcapops, brand name spirits,lagers or stouts to be served in his pubs.
Gill the Plough manager is hoping (praying) that by Folk week in August it will have all blown over. He,s been told to inform the Moor and Coast Festival(Mayday Weekend)that they can no longer hold their events in the Plough. Time will tell.Hey ho!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alanww
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:16 PM

Oh dear, alice, oh dear! I hate to think what it will be like in folk week, nutty - probably very quiet!
What a load of plonkers they are! What do they hope to achieve by this, other than reduced sales?
I agree with Gill: lets's hope it blows over by August!
"Don't mind the rain, nor the rolling sea ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 04:04 AM

Every cloud has a silver lining, the room to be used now at the Friendship must be one of the best settings in the world never mind Whitby, looking out over the harbour, newly refurbished in a pleasing manner, decent beer and not over priced (compared to other Whitby venues)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 04:50 AM

The club will still meet every Wednesday at 8-30pm and will continue to be basically run as a Sing-a-round with musical interludes, where everyone is encouraged to contribute to the friendly atmosphere.

It is very sad and somewhat ironic that in this form - i.e not charging admission and paying no performers- there is apparently no reason why this could not continue to take place in Sam Smiths's pubs without PPPL/PRS etc licensing. As PRS are saying that such an event is not chargable...............See the 'ObitSam Smiths and LIVE music'thread for details.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:42 AM

Orbit Samisth and LIVE music

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:39 AM

Does this mean there'll be no music in the Plough in the Whitby Folk Week!!!! - Unthinkable!!

I doubt very much that Sam Smith's can afford to pass up on the thirty-odd grand that goes through the tills that week.....

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:46 AM

Bugger Sam Smith's, The Plough is the festivals longest serving venue, for me it won't be Whitby Folk Festival without the Plough for several festivals I almost lived there for the week.

Hand me down my walking cane
Oh hand me down my walking cane
hand me down my walking cane
I'm gonna catch that midnight train
all my sins are taken away, taken away

Will I not hear this echoing round the room again

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:07 PM

Have faith Raggy - I camp there every year too. If you had £32000 coming in from one particular fat Goose - would YOU kill it?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:20 PM

Hi everyone, I come to Whitby Folk Club, when ever I am in North Yorkshire. Where is The Friendship compered to The Plough?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:34 PM

From the Plough - over the bridge, turn 1st left down to the harbour

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 01:15 PM

How to get to the FRIENDSHIP ROWING CLUB from the Plough? If you follow Jim,s directions you,ll finish up at the Fisherlads Rowing Club. For the uninitiated there are two rowing clubs in Whitby in close proximity of each other.
The easiest way from the Plough to FRIENDSHIP is over the Bridge, turn left along Sandgate,right through the Market Place, left along the cobbled Church Street and where the road narrows left down New Way Ghaut.The Clubs address is FRIENDSHIP ROWING CLUB, NEW WAY GHAUT, WHITBY. If anyone is coming by car, the nearest car park is the Eastside Church Street Car Park . There is no charge for parking there between 7pm at night and 9am in the morning.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 01:35 PM

I shall be up for the Moor and Coast and will do my best to visit you again

Les Worrall

http://www.marketrasenfolkclub.co.uk

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Bassic
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 01:38 PM

Good luck in the new location,

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:39 PM

Thanks Jim and Alice. See you soon. Well August anyway.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 03:58 PM

Comment by a (Yorkshire born) friend about HS. "Typicall cussed Yorkshireman. He'll dig his heels in until it hits him in the pocket"

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM

Great Venue the small bar at the Friendship Rowing Club with some great views of the harbour and is very nice and cosy. Great choice Mick and Angi!

I know how every one feels about the Plough but I doubt if it will do any harm to drink and play elsewhere. It maybe that the loss of earnings which during Folk Week will be enough to convince the powers that be to re instate Live Music in all Sam Smiths pubs.

Oh and they might put back the telly and the Juke box while they are at it. Lots of the regulars are upset about the loss of on tap entertainment. I'm sorry about this turn of events I have always appreciated Sam Smiths doing their own thing. Which in the past in Whitby has given a warm welcome and provided a great service to its local community.

The Whitby Folk Club moves on to a new venue that has lots of possibilities! I will be pleased to give it my support and I would like to take the opportunity of thanking the Friendship Rowing Clubs members and the committee for providing one of my favourite Folk Clubs with such a great Venue. I have always been made welcome as a guest at the Friendship and I can tell you that the Friendship certainly lives up to its name. THANK YOU

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: ET
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 02:29 AM

The Rowing Club is a fine venue. Well done on finding and sorting this out. Humphrey really is a prize plonker!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 12:07 PM

Whoops!! - thanks Alice. Come to think of it, if anyone follows my directions around Whitby they might end up in the harbour itself. After 58 years of Whitby/Scarborough I long ago switched to auto-pilot, and I forget that I need to be very specific when giving directions. I'd never have made a policeman.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 02:09 PM

Guest cos I'm at home on mi new pc

Well talk about cutting your nose off to spite yer face

Wait while I tell big Dave and Val from Wakefield
As Jim says have faith, do they know what they are doing

Sam Smiths you are barmy, throw money away at Festival times and the pub will close!!
You have been warned
Ray Padgett

Good luck to the folk club
Mick and Ange et al

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 02:24 PM

Ok here's a link to Street Maps UK. If you type in this UK Post Code YO224DG and do a search for post codes you will get a Map and an arrow pointing at The Friendship Rowing Club The New Venue for The WHITBY FOLK CLUB. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/http://www.streetmap.co.uk/

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 07:51 PM

Some friends just been into Plough tonight and enquired about whats going to happen at Folk Week, there can be no organised music perfomed there, but surprise, surprise, if anyone goes in there, or in the Yard ad lib they will be allowed to play, sing whatever. It looks like some financial wizard has seen a bit of sense and managed to get it through to Humprey.
It looks like Malcolm Storey though wiil have to find another venue for Joe & Mo,s Sing-a-round and also all the workshops he normally holds there .
The first night at the Friendship went very well, Mick ran it as usually in his sort of unorganised way. I don,t know really why we had to move! The first night at the Friendship was a huge success, they opened up the club especially for us, the atmosphere was great, the beer good and reasonably priced, the company friendly and I loved it.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 08:00 PM

I doubt if that's official policy from Head Office. If a large crowd of people just turn up out of the blue and start playing music, though, there isn't a great deal a licensee can do, other than throw them all out again, which might be a bit impractical in that particular case.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 02:21 AM

That is of course very true (at least for the first night) - but it does not really address the problems causing all this needless and unwelcome uncertainty.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 07:52 AM

Alice
When I had to move Market Rasen Folk Club to Walesby, it turned out to be the best thing since sliced bread.
Just keep looking forward and make your new venue a great big success which is the best way of saying ******* to the Plough
Good luck.
Les Worrall

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 08:09 AM

Sounds like wanting the spice and the half penny to me. Is it a good idea for anyone to play in the Plough untill a change of policy comes from Sam Smiths? There are plenty of other Pubs in Whitby after all! Dose anyone else think that sending back the barrells of Real Ale from The Plough to the brewery after Folk Week is sending the right message to Sam Smiths Brewery? I do no matter how much I will miss the Plough Yard. It could be better to take our Money and Drink and play where we will be welcome all year don't you think?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 01:21 PM

Whoa, Whoa...... hang about a minute.... it's not Gil who thought this idea up ..... stuff the Plough I THINK NOT, Gil and Denise have always been accomodating and supportive so if you want to have a go at someone fair enough, but DO NOT shoot the messenger

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM

I'm sorry that the upstairs room appears to be at risk, but my point would be that it is a private room and if seen to be hired then virtually anything should be permitted

Ithink seaside landlord with proven track records in terms of beer sales and little or no trouble would/should have a case with the brewery regardless of 'policy'

We get rid of smoking, in my view rightly ~+ now we get rid of 'live' music, to what aim; it's not as if the folk music causes excessive music from loud pa's, really it does seem that CEOs of large companies live in cloud cuckoo land, where do they think shareholders derive their profit from, I hate to say it but they (CEOs +board have lost sight of the ball.
Ray Padgett (guest as I'm at home)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 08:29 PM

Raggytash If you look you will find that I have made no Mention of Gill and Denise who as you rightly say have made everyone welcome at the Plough. It would however be Gill and Denise who's lively hoods would be put at risk if the Orders from Sam Smiths were ignored and they allowed live music to continue in the Plough.

One of the stories I was told was that Sam Smiths have taken over a Chain of Pubs in the South. Humphrey was visiting one of these pubs and there was a live Rock Band playing. The pub was also selling Alco-pops, which are not allowed in any Sam Smiths houses. The Manager was sacked on the spot and Humphrey himself stood in behind the bar until a relief manager could be found.

Yes we could all have a mass protest by heading for the plough and singing and playing. But why should we wish to embarrass Gill and Denise. All I'm suggesting is that especially during Folk Week it might be a good idea to support all the other pubs in Whitby who welcome live Music all year. We would only be complying with the wishes of the Brewery after all. However this is only a suggestion there may be other ways round the Music Ban. We need clarification for example would Banjo and Boron players be allowed? Come on how many other Pubs are they in Whitby? How long will it take us to drink them dry?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 02:53 AM

was the manager sacked for selling alcopops (how accounted for) or for defying non music in Sam's pubs?

Who is Humphrew, and if as up front as you say he is invite the
bod CEO whoever, who is responsible to his shareholders, to come to The Plough to see for himself!!

I'm losing patience

Get shut of the CEO!

I'm sure my portfolio manager has some of Sam's share
I'm saying no more, you all know how volatile are share values
Hit the B where it hurts, too many pubs trying to sell food to keep alive
Ray Padgett as Guest as I'm at home!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 04:36 AM

George, you old Teddy Bear, don't get your knickers in a twist, we're both on the same side on this. Like you I think the Plough to many people IS Whitby Folk Festival and Gil & Denise need whatever support we can give them, even if that means this year drinking somewhere else. As Ray and others have said hit the brewery where it hurts in the bank balance, sadly though that too will affect Gil & Denise and all the other licensees who let us use their premises, so a concerted approach directly to Humphrey Smith may be the order of the day and perhaps a similar concerted approach to his fellow directors may be considered, they are the people who can put DIRECT pressure upon him to reconsider this matter, and in the final analysis are the one's who could vote him off the board for, what some would consider, wilful mismanagement

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Nick
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 06:21 AM

I hear that Mr Smith blew most of his gaskets once he started to get some adverse publicity. There is probably quite a lot more coming his way including national coverage in the near future which will at least start with mentioning Sam Smiths actions. Several managers are currently leaving (partly as a result of this and more are rumoured to be on the way) and they are still waiting a response from him to their concerns about changes which were raised nearly two months ago. Takings are down in quite a number of pubs - definitely in the one we used to use. I have been told that PRS and Smiths are supposed to be talking so who knows?

Can't see any harm in writing and letting him know your feelings, I know a lot of other people have. I would guess that they reckon that things will just blow over and the world go back to normal so it's important to keep up the pressure.

Has anyone else had a reply by the way? They seem to be getting increasingly tight-lipped.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 07:44 AM

I've haven't got my knickers in a twist Raggytash. I just wanted to make it clear that I for one have appreciated Gill and Denise's hospitality. The idea of live music being banned in any pub let alone a chain of pubs. Is abhorrent to me and a to all who get a great deal of enjoyment from it.

I haven't enjoyed a pint of Theakstons since the Breweries behaviour at Leeds Folk Festival in 1982. I have enjoyed my visits to the Plough and the Jolly Sailor in Whitby and to Nellie's in Beverly. We are all on the same side as usual and if we are arguing which we are not! It's about how best to protest about the Brewery's Policy. I just think that not spending money in Sam Smiths pubs until a change of its latest Live Music Policy could be the way to go. We would only be complying with the wishes of the Brewery and the Law after all. Until Sam Smiths decided to apply for the licences that they require to enable them to permit Live Music in on and around the licensed premise's. Come on I'll start you off name all the Pubs in Whitby! First Inn Last Out

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 08:14 AM

Shall we do this systematically George, pubs and club starting at the Bottom House all Chruch street, Sandgate then across the bridge turn left and work up the West Cliff

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Nick
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 08:30 AM

A friend sent me this pointing out how popular Mr Smith currently is on the Tadcaster message boards...

Go to Message Boards and read a few threads!

Tadcaster Web Site

In fairness there are a few people who are very pleased that muzak and TVs have gone - but then quite a few here would probably agree on that score.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,H Smith Esq
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 09:15 AM

Harumph !! Oh my good Lord, what a set of oiks you people are, why don't you get yourself a job, instead of wasting your time hacking at cittars or whatever it is you make your infernal noise on. I've seen some of you and you wear bells on your legs, what sort of behaviour is that, never did it in my day. You look unwashed, unkempt, wear beards and some of you have long hair (oh that's the ladies is it, well edit that bit out before you get the man to send it) You have no moral fibre and do not deserve to be allowed in one of my esteemed hostelries, not that any of you deserve the dole monies you receive. I'm of the the Tower to recount my money that I got by hard work and honest toil, no-body ever gave me anything apart from the odd millions and Daddy left.
I will never, repeat never allow your kind to sully my taverns again, YOU MAN ... man pick up my rattle ....... NOW I TELL YOU, NOW !!



Where's Nanny ........ I WANT MY NANNY !!!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Nanny
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 09:18 AM

Now see what you've done, you've got the little man all upset, he even started to mispell some of his words and his grammer went all to cock, you've all got a lot to answer for, why did you have to disturb him so.

coming darling ......... yes Nannies got some warm milk

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:39 PM

Ok Raggytash from the Bottom House it The Middle Earth. This is a free virtual Pub Crawl Round Whitby any one can join in. Ok it's your round Raggytash :-))

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:51 PM

Mick,s just off to Fleece for Allotment AGM. He,ll drink a virtual pint for both Tyke and Raggytash,as he says thats the next pub on the virtual pub crawl.Where next?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:58 PM

Mines a Pint of Broadside Raggytash

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Bassic
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 05:03 PM

Ey up! I shall Endevour to be waiting accross the road with 4 pints of the foaming stuff lined up.....(I decided to get in early cos I have a feeling it is going to be a VERY expensive round by the time it gets to the "Tap" !! ;-)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 06:02 PM

Slight diversion to the Dolphin, anyone, then we can nip up Sandgate?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 06:23 PM

Sorry Gnomad, no need to divert to the Dolphin,We,ll get that on the way backdown just before we cross the Bridge. Some of us are going up the right hand side of Church Street. The Black Horse is next as its virtually too dear to drink in the White Horse and Griffin as you have to purchase a meal to get a drink there. Dont forget though, you must all land in the Friendship by Wednesday!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 07:26 PM

It's very late I've just got home from the Shambles. I'll see you all for a very nice breakfast in the White Horse and Griffin. The coffee in the Sheperds Purse. Before we get back to this Pub Crawl.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 04:06 AM

I supposed someone will get Bord with this and move on to the Duke of York, what a Shambles, I'm off to the Fisherlads for a pint

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 02:32 PM

Ok Raggytash I'm going to call in to The Board to fine out the Scuttle Butt on last weeks Whitby's Inshore Life Boat disaster!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 04:26 PM

You won't let that one rest will you Tyke, (promise?) I seem to have landed back at the Dolphin which is odd, as I've only been there once in 3D...Pleeeese can I run over the bridge for a quiet one in the Golden Lion, I promise not to go further without you guys?