BS: What did Jesus look like?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Scoville
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:26 PM

How dark is "dark"? My mother is very dark for a white woman ("olive" skin, black hair) but not dark in the grand scheme of dark. She's darker than my Latina/white/African-American friend, though, who is also olive-dark but not DARK. Golden? Even I look pretty dark when you park me next to my Scandinavian sister-in-law. Dark seems to be highly relative.

I went to college with a darker-than-some Jewish kid who had the tightly-curled hair mentioned above--we always sort of figured Jesus probably looked a lot like that. He was actually known on campus as the Kid Who Looked Like Jesus. No kidding.


FYI most Native Americans, even if they have very little white ancestry, are also considerably less red when they're not in the sun all the time. Actually, they look just like my mom (who is not Native American, at least that we can find. Go figure).

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 10:31 AM

Dave, for a minute I thought you were serious about your second sentence, since your smile icon looks like a "D".

But then I realized they didn't have any cameras way back then.

I wish they did. Oh well, there's always time travel.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 10:25 AM

When something is burnt it isn't always black. The ash left in my fireplace is usualy a sort of pale grey. Maybe he just looked ill:-)

Besides we all know he was blond haired and blue eyed. We have seen the pictures and we know the camera doesn't lie...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: John O'L
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 09:21 AM

What Did The Ancient Israelites Look Like?

Guest has been doing some serious research:

Revelation:14-15
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;

What type of people have feet and skin of burnt brass? The same type of people whose origins are from the continient that is known today as Africa.


Make of it what you will. Dunno how Daniel 7 comes into it.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 07:03 AM

What did Jesus look like?

He looked like Robert Powell of course...

*G*

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 11:30 PM

Jesus was black. Hair like wool, feet like burnt brass. we all know that when something is burnt it's BLACK right?
Jesus has black feet Daniel 7
Unless there's a different meaning for BURNT? I rest my case

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Weasel Books
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 07:16 PM

Growing up in Northern Israel (with the very best olives in the world bar none!), I was quite shocked by the small, bland California olives we had at grandmother's house. My brother was so disgusted with them that he refused to admit they were olives.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 07:08 PM

McGrath, the only time I have run into brown olives rather than the green or black ones I was familiar with was a few years ago when an Italian cooked a 'traditional' Italian dinner for a number of us.

In the middle of the table was a dish of smallish brown olives. They were not as 'meaty' as the black and green kinds, rather like the difference between commercially grown versus roadside fruits. Frankly they didn't look - or for that matter, taste - as good as those I'm used to but Ric gave me the name of the kind (I seem to remember they were regional) and assured me that they were indeed olives.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Weasel Books
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 06:51 PM

"But what better role model of a person of color could these children have but Jesus!

A guy that showed his displeasure with money lenders by taking a stick to them?

A guy that withered a fig tree because the fruit wasn't to his liking?

A guy that took family men away from their wives and children?

A guy that burnt Egyptian children for looking cross-eyed at him?"

Eh? Where did you get the bit about burning Egyptian children? Whenever Jesus and children are mentioned he is telling people to love and respect them. He also says that anyone who abuses them would be better if they hanged a millstone around their necks.

The fig tree was used to illustrate some points of doctrine and teaching.

When he chased the moneylenders and businessmen out of the Temple, it was not because they were moneylenders, etc., but because they plied their trade inside the most sacred of places, turning it into nothing more than a market. Even when expelling them forcibly, Jesus took great care not to harm the caged birds. Note that these are the only two occasions in which he used force (and mild at that). Indeed, was there any other way to stop it?

He was not gone all the time, they were home enough (and presumably still fished), and in the meantime the community cared for the families of the Apostles, as they would for any in need.

Why is someone who encourages people to be tolerant, obedient, kind, and good a bad example for children to follow?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 03:37 PM

Why do we call people white when they demonstrably are pinkish. (Bill the collie)

For the same reason we call one type of wine white (or 'green' in Portugese) when in fact it isn't: Perception and in consequence language tends to increase (blow up) differences. And that goes back to the wiring of the neurons via lateral inhibition. And that..., maybe you didn't want to know it in such detail.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 03:34 PM

Look round a beach full of scarlet North Europeans on holiday, and why to work out how it was their relatives referred to the people they met in America as "Redskins"...

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 03:09 PM

Why do we call people white when they demonstrably are pinkish. (Bill the collie)

For the same reason we call one type of wine white (or 'green' in Portugese) when in fact it isn't: Perception and in consequence language tends to increase (blow up) differences. And that goes back to the wiring of the neurons via lateral inhibition. And that..., maybe you didn't want to know it in such detail.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 01:14 PM

True, as Kevin says, the controversy over the age of the Shroud of Turin goes on, but probably largely because the believers don't want to let it go. However, the question remains:   if it actually is Christ's burial sheet, how did it get to Turin, Italy? Did some crusader or pilgrim bring it back? And if so, why didn't we hear about it until just recently?

And here's the killer question: without a mug-shot to compare it with, how do we know that it's Jesus? Maybe it's one of the two thieves. Or Peter, who, as the story goes, was crucified in Italy. Or some unknown person who never made it into print at all.

Once again the disclaimer in small print:   don't anybody assume from what I say about this that you know what my actual religious beliefs are, if any. When I figure it out, I'll let you know.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 12:06 PM

There was a very good TV show called "Night Gallery" back in the 80's. It was a kind of resurrection of "Twilight Zone", narrated and often written by the great Rod Serling. There was a Christmas episode of an old Jewish guy ill in bed (Edgar G. Robinson) diverting his grandson's worry with tales of the Messiah, and he describes His coming as "looming and black". When the old man lapses into unconsciousness, his grandson runs up and down the streets looking for the Messiah. He settles on a black man (Yaphet Kotto) who asks the kid why he thinks he's the Messiah. The kid looks up at him and says:

"Because you're big, you're black, and you loom."

My brother and I thought that was a great line and we've recycled it for years.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 11:51 AM

In one of the Simpsons episode, Homer meets God who tells him:

"I don't have a lot of time, I'm due on a tortilla in Mexico."

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 09:55 AM

white black red or yellow
we'd love any colour jesus cuz he's a swell fellow

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Azizi
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 09:32 AM

AggieD, you wrote:

"Azizi whilst I understand your point that children need good role models, I still cannot understand why you press the point that Jesus was black.

The point I was trying to make was that as Jesus was a Jew, he was just as likely to have 'woolly' hair & be dark skinned, but it was very unlikely that he was black. Dark skinned, certainly as he would have spent a good deal of his time in the hot sun."

Here is my response:
AggieD, the main point that I was trying to make was that the racial referent "Black" is [now] mostly a social construct...it may mean [and usually does mean] different things depending on the society, time & place it is used. I particularly limited my comments about who is considered "Black' to historical and contemporary USA. I also briefly mentioned that the nation of South Africa has a different definition of who is considered Black...There are also different criteria for who is "Black" in other nations such as Brazil...

In these nations there were legal determinants of who part of the 'Black race'. But in addition to that people in those societies used [and still use] skin color, facial features, and hair texture [ans sometimes clothing such as a sari] as visual clues to determine a person's racial 'category'.

Given these visual clues, it is my contention that people in the United States would have classified Jesus as black...This does not mean that he had immediate African ancestry [I say immediate for science now says we all descend from Africans...]

I do not pretend to be knowledgeable about genetics..Nor do I know enough about the Bible and the anthropology of peoples back then to say where Jesus' descendants originally came from, or what they physically looked like...I leave that for those who have that expertise..

However, I would doubt that the only reason that Jesus {and others living in his area during his time on earth] was dark skinned was because they worked in the sun. Certainly working in the sun would make their skin get darker-just as I and other African Americans who get tanned in the summer months..However, it is my belief that melanin in Jesus' skin was what caused its probably dark color.

And as to your comment about 'intermarriage' [I suppose that you meant with other light skin Black people and with Whites] being the reason why African Americans are such a mixed race people...I would say yes and no...

Firstly I would add that the reason why we are such as mixed race people [not forgetting the mixture of various African ethnic groups]is because we are the product of marriages but also involuntary and vloluntary sexual relationships between [Black] Africans and and White [European]..In addition, many of us have [and some can trace]Native American and/or Asian ancestry..

Also, AggieD I gathered from your comments that you believed that all continental Africans had dark [black] skin complexion...This is not true...Besides those Africans who are albinos, some African ethnic groups are naturally brown skinned [and not because of their gene pool being mixed with Europeans].

Finally, AggieD, with regard to your last comment, I'll insert my responses:

You-"However if you push the point that Jesus was definitely black, wouldn't it be just as hard for people of lighter colour to accept him as a role model? [Disregarding the fact that I am not 'pushing' this point, my response is "No, why should it be?"]


You-"Surely the point is that as a Christian you should teach children that they should love Jesus, no matter what his colour?? [Me: Yes, and ditto for all people..]

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST,Mandy, Tracy's best friend at school
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 08:26 AM

has any one got a spare autographed photo of Jesus to swap ?

I'll trade 2 Boyzone CDs and signed pair of Ronan Keatings underpants

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST,Tracy aged 14
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 08:10 AM

well if he looked like Brad Pitt.. no problems..

but if it turned out he was an ugly little minger of a fella
I'd search for a different religion with a dishier god
to fan worship ???

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 05:22 AM

The Turin Shroud evidence isn't as clearcut as Don says there - witness this latest turn: Shroud of Turin 'up to 3,000 years old'

Agreed though, it's ridiculous to get worked up about questions about looks. They aren't what matter.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 03:15 AM

It boggles the mind sometimes.

There's a church in Clearwater, Florida where they claim that an image of the Virgin Mary has appeared in the glass by the door. I've seen pictures of the image, and if you squint real hard and use your imagination a lot, you can almost believe it looks like a woman with a scarf over her head. To me, it looks like sunlight glinting on stress lines in the glass. A similar image appeared on a concrete building (I forget where) after a rainstorm. It was a big, wet splotch in the concrete. Once again, nothing more than a silhouette. Both images, the one in Florida and the one on the concrete building have a shape similar to the outline of the Madonna in many Renaissance paintings, but there is no detail. No eyes, no nose, no mouth. Nothing to identify it as a woman. For that matter, it could just as easily be a silhouette of Sir Edmond Hillary with the hood of his parka pulled up over his head. Yet, many people are absolutely sure that this is an image of the Virgin Mary.

And then there is the Shroud of Turin, which many people insist was the shroud that Jesus was wrapped in after the crucifixion. This, despite the fact that the linen cloth has been carbon dated. It's fourteenth century. And the supposed blood turns out to be red ochre pigment. The image is a painting.

It was in the news a week or so ago. A woman bit into a peanut M&M, and, to her, the image her teeth left on what remained of the peanut looked like the face of Jesus. They're so small I usually just pop the whole thing in my mouth and bite down on it there. But that habit has probably cost me a fortune. The woman sold the remains of the chocolate covered peanut on eBay for something like $1,800.

Nobody knows what Jesus looked like. Nobody knows what Mary looked like. I guess speculating on the matter can be fun, but it's ridiculous to get worked up over it.

Now, if somebody turns up with a Polaroid that hasn't faded over the past 2,000 years, that would be something. But even then, I think there would still be questions. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 02:12 AM

Why do we call people white when they demonstrably are pinkish.

And black people are usually a shade of brown.

I've often wondered.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 12:30 AM

what did Jesus smell like ?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 12:25 AM

Little Hawk - Its easier to define "White". If everyone else was "non-white", hmmm... White would be a tiny minority. A tiny minority that controls the world and the written word.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 06:36 PM

Define "black". Then we can go from there.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: AggieD
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 06:31 PM

Azizi, whilst I understand your point that children need good role models, I still cannot understand why you press the point that Jesus was black.

The point I was trying to make was that as Jesus was a Jew, he was just as likely to have 'woolly' hair & be dark skinned, but it was very unlikely that he was black. Dark skinned, certainly as he would have spent a good deal of his time in the hot sun.

I also don't deny your point that many Ethiopians are of Semitic origin, or that many Jews have blonde hair & blue eyes, or straight hair, or pale skin, but this is most probably because of intermarriage with other races as they travelled through the diaspora over almost 2,000 years. Which is also why Ethiopians are probably various shades of colour, as you say yourself there have been various peoples who have integrated, which will throw up different colourings down the generations.

However if you push the point that Jesus was definitely black, wouldn't it be just as hard for people of lighter colour to accept him as a role model? Surely the point is that as a Christian you should teach children that they should love Jesus, no matter what his colour??

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 01:43 PM

But what better role model of a person of color could these children have but Jesus!

A guy that showed his displeasure with money lenders by taking a stick to them?

A guy that withered a fig tree because the fruit wasn't to his liking?

A guy that took family men away from their wives and children?

A guy that burnt Egyptian children for looking cross-eyed at him?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 01:03 PM

Continuing with this bit of thread drift [and bringing it back home]:

McGrath of Harlow,
You said
"I've seen TV programmes where the person with the lighter skin is the "black" one, and the person with the darker skin is the "white" one. (Perhaps it's my telly, but I don't think so.)"

I don't think it's your television either.

It's the crazy racial definition system used in the United States that considers anybody "African American" no matter what they look like if ANY of their ancestors had ANY African ancestry. Not that I like South Africa's system-with it "Black", "Coloured" , and "White" system better.

But, for what it's worth, the catch-all United States definition of who is "Black" certainly increases the numbers of African Americans, because-efforts to legitimize referents such as 'biracial' notwithstanding- everytime in the United States there is a child born who has one Black birth parent, no matter what the race or ethnicity of the other birth parent, at least socially, that child is considered to be African American.

For a number of years I worked with families who transracially adopted [Whites adopting children who are non-White}. IMO it is important for these adoptive parents to work through their own prejudices and have a realistic understanding of racial attitudes and prejudices in their immediate area and in their world. In doing so they will be better able to raise children who have positive self-esteem AND a strong, clear, positive group identity.

All children need positive role models. Given the nature of this world, children of color may have more difficulty finding postive role models in history [since a comprehensive, true history of the cultures and achievements of people of color is rarely provided in public or private schools].

But what better role model of a person of color could these children have but Jesus!

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 10:01 AM

When I got up this morning I noticed a new DVD my son left on the table. For one brief moment there in the early morning light, I thought it was a picture of Jesus on the cover. Well, I almost hit Nirvana! Hey, maybe my son is opening his mind to things spiritual after all ...   

But then I saw the DVD title "Kurt & Courtney - a film by Nick Broomfield".    :-O

Hurt CoPain and Jesus - who'da thought?   Sheesh, are they twins or something???   ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 07:12 PM

This is drifting the thread, but my impression is that in America anyway, skin-colour seems to have relatively little relationship to whether people are described as "black" or not. I've seen TV programmes where the person with the lighter skin is the "black" one, and the person with the darker skin is the "white" one. (Perhaps it's my telly, but I don't think so.)

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 06:53 PM

AggieD,

What I have been attempting to share in this thread is that the skin complexion of many Black Americans [aka 'African Americans'] is as you describe your husband's complexion or far far lighter. Also some African Americans [and other peoples of African descent such as in the Caribbean, Latin American, South American, and elsewhere] have either naturally curly hair, or naturally straight hair [that may be reddish brown, brown, black or even naturally blond in color].

Anybody who attended or visted historically Black colleges [particularly in the late 1960s when I did] would attest to the fact that there are lot of African Americans who can 'pass for white' [have the same skin color and other characteristics of Whites]...

This may or may not have anything to do with what Jesus looked like...

Ms. Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 06:30 PM

We all came from Africa anyway. For what that matters.
................................
Maybe it's my computer, but half those olives Wolfgang linked to looked purple, and the other half were chocolate coloured. Maybe it's the colour of olive-oil that is being referred to when people with light brown skin are described as "olive complexioned".

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: AggieD
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 05:58 PM

As a Jew who is interested in this discussion, I haven't read closely all the posts, but I have to say 2 Millenia down the line there are still an awful lot of curly haired Jews out there, me being one of them.
In fact my hair is so woolly as to be almost comparable to that of many black people. Many of us have the 'typical' reddish/black hair that still lingers from the thousands of years of marriage with only one racial type.
My husband has the colouring that is thought very typical of the Semitic colouring, he has in various parts of the world been taken from any of the typical Middle Eastern/Mediterranean residents to being Kashmiri when we were in India. In fact his skin colouring is not much lighter than some of our friends from India.
I would think that the many of you who have supposed Jesus would be very much like the modern day residents of the Middle East, wouldn't be far wrong. He would almost certainly have been dark skinned, he would most probably have had a beard, I would say that like other peoples of that era he would have been fairly short, and as a tradesman would have been pretty stocky. There is also the possibilty that the man would have been saddled with the large nose that is still very prominent (oops sorry!!!) in the Middle East of today.
I very much doubt that he would have been as black, as African or Afro/Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 05:23 PM

While Jesus' teachings are so much more important than what he looked like, I have found it interesting and affirming to find out that science is confirming that Jesus was Black...

[especially if "Black" is defined as it in the United States to refer to people who have 1 drop of 'black blood' and may look as white as a Scandinavian person or as dark as the darkest Sudanese.]


Given that February is considered by some to be "Black History month" in the United States, [though I feel every month is Black history month], I would like to provide some additional information on Ethiopians and Christianity in Ethiopia:

"The Amhara are a Semitic people whose ancestors probably came from what is modern-day Yemen. Addis Abeba, the capital of Ethiopia and of the previous Amhara Abyssinian Empire, is home for many Amhara but actually an enclave within the land of the Oromo peoples.

History: According to their traditions they trace their roots to Menelik I, the child born of the queen of Sheba and King Solomon. It is thought that the Sabaean (Sheban) people began to settle on the west coast of the Red Sea, from their home in southern Arabia, about 1000 BC. Menelik I was the first of the Solomonic line of rulers of Ethiopia that ended only with the deposing of Emperor Haile Selassie in 1974.

By about 1500 BC their civilization became the Axum Empire, based on a mixture of the early Sabaean culture and the prior Cushitic culture. The ruins of the ancient city of Axum can still be seen in Tigray Province. Except for a few notable exceptions, the Amhara have been the dominant people group in Ethiopia history. The strength of their culture is shown in this influence though they number only 15 million of the estimated 53 million population of modern Ethiopia.

Identity:   The Amhara appear to be descended from the same people group as the Tigray-Tigrinya people. Their Sabaean ancestors came to the highlands of what is now Eritrea and Ethiopia from the Arabian peninsula. The two peoples were united over the centuries in the Amhara-Tigray empire, called Abyssinia, from the name for a group of the Tigray people at that time, the Habash. They claim close ties with the Jews, having adopted many cultural values and religious beliefs from them.

The basic ancestry of the Amhara is Semitic, as is their language. But they intermarried and absorbed some of the Cushitic peoples who preceded them in this area. There was a strong Oromo strain in the royal family and nobles. The Amhara features are similar to the southern Arabs, olive to brown skin, with Caucasian features and dark circles around the eyes. The name comes from the word amari, meaning "pleasing, agreeable, beautiful and gracious."

Language: Amharic, the language of the Amhara, shows its Semitic origin both in its alphabet and words shared with Hebrew and Arabic. Amharic is descended from Ge'ez, a language extinct since the middle ages. Ge'ez developed from the original Sabaean language, changing through the influence of the non-Semitic languages of the earlier peoples.   The Bible is still read in Ge'ez in the Coptic Church. A modern translation is available now in Amharic.

Amharic is the language of culture and education, spoken by millions of other Ethiopians and Eritreans as a second language. The fidel alphabet of Ge'ez, used to write Amharic and its sister languages Tigre and Tigrinya, is based on ancient Phoenician, adapted in the form of the Sabaean alphabet...

Religion: The focal point of Amhara culture is the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (EOC). The EOC is an ancient indigenous Christian church which began in the 4th century AD. The EOC was heavily influenced by Syrian Christianity from its earliest times. The initial witness was brought by two shipwrecked boys from Syria. Later, nine monks came from Syria to teach the young church. They established monasteries and translated the Bible into Ge'ez, the ancient language in use at that time.   

click here for more information on the Amharic people of Ethiopia.


PS. Last fall I attended a traditional wedding ceremony in Pittsburgh, Pennsyslvania for a couple who were both born in Ethiopia...The overwhelming majority of the people there were from Ethiopia [I was told that people had traveled from all parts of the eastern, and mideastern part of the United States and elsewhere to attend this wedding]. The men wore Western suits and the women wore traditional Ethiopian dresses and head scarfs such as I associated with Biblical stories. But if these women had worn 'regular' American clothes, I would have automatically thought they were brown skinned, light brown skinned, or fair skinned African Americans...

One difference that I noted, however, was that the vast majority of the Ethiopian women had shoulder length straight [or sraigthened] black hair while in some areas of the USA a number of African American women wear their hair in extention braids, afros, or have their hair cut short and styled.[not to mention that some African American women have dyed their hair blond and I saw not one Ethiopian woman with blond hair]... Yet.

Ms. Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 12:30 AM

Well, it was just the kickoff to a wide-ranging discussion. That was my intent. I don't really care all that much what Jesus looked like, but I thought it would get things rolling, and it did.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: number 6
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 11:55 PM

I have to admit I'm fascinated that this thread has attracted this much attention, even more fascinated that I have found it interesting!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 11:51 PM

By the way, wasn't this topic covered last year?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 07:10 AM

Who are the Brights? (I share the criticism of that stupid choice of a name, BTW, though the definition fits me I shall never use that name)

Olives for those who have not yet seen brown olives.

Most people discussing here seem no to buy the idea of virgin birth. If that idea is true, then Jesus may have looked only half Jewish and the other half...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 01:00 AM

There weren't any Christians around anyway until some considerable time after Jesus' life was over. Jesus and all his immediate disciples who went around with him at that time were Jews, and what they considered themselves to be doing was reforming Judaism, not launching a new religion called "Christianity". On top of that, though, Jesus preached to everyone. He was a true Universalist in nature. There was no particular need to turn his teachings into an official new religion with a new name. Just a need to learn from them and practice them, that's all. That would not require a new religion.

So the fact that he most probably looked like a Jew of the time is totally appropriate in every way.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 10:25 PM

this could be as good a radical 'christ' image as any


http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo.tcl?photo_id=900366

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 03:18 PM

So, did anyone look at the web site that says what Jesus really look like?

Sure doesn't look like that lily white gentile hanging around in all of the churches, I'm afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 09:34 AM

The forensic reconstruction of 1st century skulls from the region in question looks exactly like the insurgent thugs GWB refers to.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Cluin
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 07:31 AM

Jeanie,

See? I was right, in my first post to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Weasel Books
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 07:10 AM

Rustic,I know those weren't your thoughts, but I want to warn people who go and read this. The Khazar part is actualy straight out of a Nazi/Aryan site, which just goes to show ya.

I was reffering entirely to what IS known. They blatantly disregard and twist it to fit in with their agenda. I don't know how Jesus looked, but I can make a guess based on what we have available, and I can tell you what he would not have looked like, again, on the evidence available.
He could very well have had red hair, and I pointed out the possibility in one of my previous posts.

Whoever made the comments on Mithras has a very good point. His mythos was grafted on to Christianity, Armenia worshipped him prior to their conversion, and he was the most popular deity among Roman soldiers, who spread his cult throughout the Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 12:35 AM

Maybe, GS, he has a different way of leading you than he does Dianavan. A way best suited to your own temperament, background, and emotional nature. That would be wiser than leading everyone the same way, I would think.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 10:41 PM

Andy walks with me
Andy talks with me
Andy tells me I am his own...

**

Perhaps his names not Jesus, but Andrew?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 09:52 PM

Jesus sent out for a corned beef on rye.

He likes his with a chocolate phosphate.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 08:20 PM

dianavan...if you had walked hand in hand with Jesus...you would not be the person you appear to be now. Jesus Lives and he leads me. He loves me and leads me. He is love and compassion.......Having a personal relationship with "Jesus" is something special. Not to be diminished by anyone. If you walked hand in hand with Jesus....at any time...you could not turn your back on Him....not once....
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 08:10 PM

Susan B. Anthony eventually declared in frustration: "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."

Weasel, I just had to add this as a last statement to you because it seemed appropriate to fit your response of... They are trying to subvert history to their own means, disregarding anything that doesn't fit in, discounting some things that they say there is no evidence for, yet accepting other for which there is less.

Peace, Rustic

I think Jesus had red hair anyway. Oh, and a red beard too.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus look like?
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 07:14 PM

Georgiansilver - Can you believe that my experience of Jesus might be quite different than yours? I haven't tasted him but I have walked with him hand in hand. He is a friend. Not a God and not a silly wafer and some grape juice.