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Ground breaking bands?

Les in Chorlton 29 Jan 05 - 12:09 PM
Leadfingers 29 Jan 05 - 12:34 PM
Big Mick 29 Jan 05 - 02:11 PM
Les in Chorlton 29 Jan 05 - 02:44 PM
Jim Tailor 29 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM
The Shambles 29 Jan 05 - 03:37 PM
The Shambles 29 Jan 05 - 03:38 PM
The Shambles 29 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM
michaelr 30 Jan 05 - 02:15 AM
GUEST,Sidewinder. 30 Jan 05 - 02:36 AM
Les in Chorlton 30 Jan 05 - 04:16 AM
Les in Chorlton 30 Jan 05 - 04:25 AM
GUEST 30 Jan 05 - 07:32 AM
John P 30 Jan 05 - 08:18 AM
John P 30 Jan 05 - 08:45 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 30 Jan 05 - 09:09 AM
The Borchester Echo 30 Jan 05 - 10:33 AM
Les in Chorlton 30 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM
Weasel Books 30 Jan 05 - 11:47 AM
Les in Chorlton 30 Jan 05 - 11:58 AM
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treewind 31 Jan 05 - 01:15 PM
John Robinson (aka Cittern) 31 Jan 05 - 01:19 PM
GUEST,Sidewinder 31 Jan 05 - 02:52 PM
Les in Chorlton 31 Jan 05 - 04:13 PM
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Subject: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 12:09 PM

Bedlam, Bismarcks Blowzabella, Boka Halat, Chalktown, Chipolatas, Committee Band, Florida, Geckoes, Gloworms, Grand Union, Hekety, Jabadaw, Katie's Quartet, Laughing Gravy, Mawkin, Moondance, Moor Music, Posh Band, Rampant, Random, Steamchicken, Stomp, Syzewell Gap, Tiger Moth, Token Women, Twm Twp, Whapweasel, Woodpecker Band.

Just copied this list from the BBC website. I realy enjoy all kinds of music and I particularly like dance music. Whapweasel are not everyone's taste but I realy enjoy them.

I am sure I would enjoy all of the above, but which of the above bands are a bit or a lot different, exciting and even ground breaking?


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 12:34 PM

The JCB's ?? or The Diggers ??


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 02:11 PM

Bill Hailey and the Comets, The Beatles, Bothy Band.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 02:44 PM

OK good point Big Mick..........   Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Joni Mitchel, Tina Turner, Jimmi Hendrix,

The ground can be broken again and I am interested in the ground of what we call folk rock or there abouts


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Jim Tailor
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM

The Duhks
King Wilkie
Eddie From Ohio
The Mammals
The Wayfarin' Strangers
Reeltime Travelers


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 03:37 PM

There used to be a Liverpool beat band called The Undertakers.

How about the Velvet Underground?


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 03:38 PM

Hole......


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM

The Beatles used to be called The Quarrymen.........You can't really get much more groundbreaking than that.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: michaelr
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 02:15 AM

Les -- what can you tell me about Laughing Gravy? It's an intriguing name, to be sure.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 02:36 AM

The Tolpuddle Martyrs and Hot Chocolate and Bert Weedon to name but one!

Regards.

Sidewinder.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 04:16 AM

The Undertakers hey! I remember them. Saw them at the Cavern a few times and at Ellesmere Port Civic Hall. So good! The had a sax, a bit rare, Brian Jones I believe, great, great band. Was the bass player Jackie Lomax? I think he went solo but didn't get far.

Another band of the same era, Derry Wilkie and the Pressmen, 2 saxes and a black singer they were groung breaking for Liverpool and England for 1963 but making music that clearly grew out of 50's US.

I found those bands very exciting but went on to find the Dubliners, the Watersons and all sorts of other people, especialy 'Folk Rock'.

Currently realy enjoying Whapweasel, hence the search for bands that are doing something a bit different.

Thanks to all above and I trust below.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 04:25 AM

Laughing Gravy

This is the way to Laughing Gravy. I have never heard them but they seem to be worth checking out.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 07:32 AM

The Ploughmen


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: John P
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 08:18 AM

I've never heard of most of the bands listed in this thread. I'll have to seek them out. Part of my definition of ground-breaking is not only doing something new and different, but also having a strong influence on lots of other people, so to name a few that come quickly to mind and in no particular order:

The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
Bothy Band
Jethro Tull
Gryphon
Martin Carthy
Fairport Convention
Malicorne
Crosby, Stills and Nash
Steeleye Span
Jimi Hendrix
King Crimson
Yes
Albion Band


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: John P
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 08:45 AM

Oh, yeah:

Robert Johnson
Alan Stivell
Cream
Kornog
Elvis Presley
Chuck Berry
Pentangle


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 09:09 AM

Les the only one mentioned that I have seen live - are the Chipolatas. Not sure if they were breaking much new ground but they were certainly very entertaining -to children also.

How many of them have you seen?


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 10:33 AM

The list Les quotes is one of examples of some of the bands that could be nominated in the public vote for "best dance band" in the BBC Folk Awards. I have danced to most and find them all excellent for that purpose...and some more than others equally good just to listen to.

But I think what is most interesting about many is that among their members are solo, duo (and occasionally larger acts) who also do concert sets. For example, Hekety includes members of Crucible, Moor Music: Jason Rice and Mark Bazely, Tiger Moth: Maggie Holland and Chris Coe, The Gloworms: Laurel Swift in her innumerable incarnations, ditto Token Women: Jo Freya and Fi Fraser, Posh Band: Simon Ritchie,   Rampant: John Spiers & Jon Boden, Geckoes: Andy Turner...and there are many many other ever-changing combinations.

This is different and exciting in that it's breaking down artificial boundaries that have tended to develop in recent decades between dance and song in English music. But ground-breaking? It's not really intended to be. It's much more a return to roots and absence of boundaries as practiced by the old country musicians who often didn't know or care much if their tune came from the mists of history, the musical theatre or had been made up in the fields or workplace as long as it fitted the dance and their audiences liked it.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM

Lots of good points countess. I enjoy dancing to mainstream dance bands but E2K and the Whaps realy make me sit up and listen.

I have followed some of the lost above and will see if I can find downloads fo sounds.

I have a lot of time for Mike Harding (yes) but he doesn't play much of what I would call ground breaking folk rock so it is not easy find.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Weasel Books
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 11:47 AM

I am surprised nobody has mentioned yet Sweeney's Men or Planxty!
Sweeney's Men broke the ground for the traditionalists, and the folkrock scene and introduced the bouzouki.
Planxty, well you can't overestimate these guys.
Andy Irvine was of course a founder of both.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 11:58 AM

Couldn't agree more Weasel Books. saw Planxty, 1972, Leeds Irish Club, truly groung braeking.

What seems to be getting lost here is who are breaking ground now?


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 11:29 PM

Horslips, Planxty, undertones ! Of bygone years all .

Kila
AfroCelt sound system
Enya ???


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: treewind
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:15 PM

Laughing Gravy are one of the the resident bands at the Hitchin Unicorn ceilidhs, who play about two months in three when they can't afford a "guest" band.

Countess Richard's point about song duos buried in dance bands also applies to Mary and myself as members of Fendragon, a band fairly new to the public "English Ceilidh" circuit but we've done a Unicorn, we've got a Haywards Heath Meltdown ceilidh coming up next week and we're planning to get into more public gigs and festivals in the next year or two. Sort of "Bismarcks plus recorder" sound.

Sadly nobody's nominated us for the BBC thing yet...

I wouldn't call all of the bands in that original list ground breaking. They're all good in different ways and they're all different - in fact I'm not sure what new ground there is to break, they are all so different. As long as it's possible to do the dances to the music, anything goes these days.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: John Robinson (aka Cittern)
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:19 PM

FOS Brothers Band
Jiggerypippery (sp?)

Do solo acts qualify? If so .. Michael Hedges.

Best regards
John Robinson
http://www.JulieEllison.co.uk
Described by Ralph McTell as "a terrific guitar player who also writes great songs"


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 02:52 PM

The Bootleg Beatles -The Counterfeit Stones -The Australian Doors - The Dylan Project - David Live - Experience Hendrix -The Smiths.
Coming to a venue near you soon.

Best Wishes.


Sidewinder.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 04:13 PM

Come on pall, as much as I like most of that lot they cannot be breaking anything can they?


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 04:09 AM

I think most of them will be breaking the million pounds a year in earnings mark by now or at least half of that.

Regards.

Sidewinder.


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 08:15 AM

Frank Zappa ... Captain Beefheart ....Robert Fripp


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Subject: RE: Ground breaking bands?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 01:37 PM

Ok I surrender in the face of drift and my own inability to explain what I was hoping to find.

Thank you music lovers everywhere!


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