Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 06:34 PM

Gaughan's lyric is hardly different from the original. As Tattie says just a couple of words really. Certainly nowhere near enough as to be classed as a rewrite. The biggest difference is Gaughan leaves the last, most obviously nationalistic, verse out.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 05:39 PM

Just looked at the version in the DT: there’s a score there, pretty much the same as mine, bar a couple of notes. Near enough!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 05:34 PM

I have my own score/transcription for it: usually sing it in Am. If anyone wants it, pm me.

Surprised that no-one has mentioned the source poem, by James Hogg (“The Ettrick Shepherd”) : Dick Gaughan’s version has changed only a few words, e.g. For the love of our King’s sacred rights” (JH) becomes “For the love of our land’s sacred rights”. Moira Craig sings the JH version to a different tune, which I think she got from the Borders Minstrelsy.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 02:12 PM

I've converted both of the abc files given above and played them. The second file is more usable than the first. Its notes are quite low though, being at the bottom of range for a violin. The chords are nice, with rich Am's contracting with sparkling F's.

The pick-up notes are too fussy, probably trying to reflect the subtle changes in the lengths of syllables in the lyrics. Just write them as eighth notes and put in variations as you see fit.

The antepenultimate measure has these note lengths:
    an eighth note followed by two dots
    a quarter note followed by three dots
    another eighth note
How the heck is that supposed to sound? Simplify it.

Some measures move stepwise, and when I get to these, I just play whatever single note harmonizes best.

I've heard this before, probably by Capercaillie. In fact, as soon as I saw the printed music, I thought, "I bet I know how this goes." I was right.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 07:36 PM

I recall, I think, Dick saying that he did this song at every one of his gigs.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Both Sides the Tweed (Dick Gaughan)
From: GUEST,x
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 07:00 PM

The tune is from O'Donoghues Opera, a short film never completed by the Dubliners in 1965. Dick claims composition of the tune in 1979, though he acknowledges that he may have heard it himself and only recalls subconsciously. The tune of the short song is sang by the mistress of Larry (played by Ronnie Drew) when she visits him in prison. The play is on youtube.

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 07:35 AM

Have just listened to the Danu track again, and the tune is not actually the same at all, but it does have the same rhythm and mood, and I'm not the only person that thought it was just a wee bit like BSTT.
It's on their CD "When all is said and Done", and the track is "An Cailin Deas Cruite na mBo", another lovely song.

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:56 AM

This from Dick Gaughan's notes, as indicated in the link above:

The original text was an attack upon the Treaty of Union of 1707 which abolished the independent Scots and English Parliaments and set up the United Kingdom. I made some minor amendments to give it contemporary relevance.

The tune has been the subject of some speculation and argument. So far as I am aware, I actually composed it and am highly flattered by the presumption that it is traditional, with people claiming to have known it for several decades, if not centuries.

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:20 AM

I believe this song existed as a set of words long before the tune Dick Gaughan used was added.

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:43 AM

There's an Irish Gaelic song on a Danu CD which uses much the same tune: so maybe that's where you've heard the tune before?

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 03:01 AM

Hi, Sally - the songwriter, dick Gaughan, has notation and chords on his Website, here (click).
-Joe Offer (e-mail sent)-

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: GUEST,Sally
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 02:45 AM

I would like to locate the piano version of sheet music for Both Sides The Tweed (treble and bass). are you able to help.

My email is [e-mail]

Thank you

Sally

Subject: Tune Add: BOTH SIDES THE TWEED (Dick Gaughan)
From: alison
Date: 31 Jan 99 - 12:27 AM

Hi,

Just checking through to see what tunes needed added.

Slainte

alison

MIDI file: BOTHTWEE.MID

Timebase: 480

Name: Both sides the Tweed
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Key: C
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Both sides the Tweed
M:3/4
Q:1/4=100
K:C
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GE4C|D2B,3G,|A,6|-A,17/4EG3/4|A4AA|A2G3E|
G6|-G4AG|E3DC2|CD3E2|G,6|-G,4A,B,|C2B,3A,|
C3DE2|A6|-A4BA|GE4C|D7/4B,13/4G,|A,6|-A,6|
||

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This message from a duplicate thread combined with the others.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: alison
Date: 01 Dec 98 - 08:49 AM

Hi,

It's on a Capercaillie CD, "Sidewaulk". Lovely arrangement.

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: Håvard
Date: 01 Dec 98 - 06:57 AM

Mary Black (with De Danann, I think) sings it on her compilation album for a start

Håvard

Subject: MUS ADD: Both Sides The Tweed
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 30 Nov 98 - 07:51 PM

I have fallen in love with this tune, which I thought I have never heard before. The GIF with the tune came from the Dick Gaughan site. It was only after I entered the dots into NoteWorthy Composer that I realised what a stunning tune it is ... and that I have heard it somewhere before. Maybe a compilation like Woman's Heart, with Dolores Keane or The Black Family? Some contributors may reveal that it has been done to death in their local groups, but it's still a revelation to me. I haven't posted to the favourite melodies thread, but this is my nomination for this week.

Nearly forgot to mention that the lyrics are in the DT.

Regards

John

MIDI file: tweed.mid

Timebase: 120

TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Key: F
Tempo: 160 (375000 microsec/crotchet)
Name: Both Sides The Tweed
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Both Sides The Tweed
M:3/4
Q:1/4=160
K:F
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c6|-c/2A9/2G|F2G2A2|C6|-C6|C4D2|-D5E|F2E2D2|
F2G2A2|d6|-d4d2|c2A2F2|GE3C2|D6|-D4Ac|d2e2d2|
d2c2A2|c6|-c4dc|A3FA2|GFDCA,2|C6|-C4DE|F2E2D2|
F2G2A2|d6|-d4d2|c2A2F2|G2E3C|D6|-D4DE|F2E2D2|
F2G2A2|d6|-d6|d6|-d2d4|-d6|d3A3|-A4c/2A3/2|
-A3GF2|G2A2C2|-C6|C6|-C2D4|-D6|D3E3|-E4F2|
E2D2F2|G2A2d2|-d6|d2d4|-d4c2|A2F2GE|-E2C2D2|
-D6|D2A4|-A3cd2|e2d2d2|c2A2c2|-c6|c2d4|-d3cA2|
-AFA2GF|DCA,2C2|-C6|C2D4|-D3EF2|E2D2F2|G2A2d2|
-d6|d2d4|-d4c2|A2F2G2|E3CD2|-D6|D3/2||