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Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta

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KELLYS, BYRNE AND HART
LONNIGAN'S WIDOW
NED KELLY'S FAREWELL TO GRETA.
POOR NED


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Subject: Tune Add: NED KELLY'S FAREWELL TO GRETA
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 01 Dec 98 - 08:51 PM

This is an Australian song whose tune is missing from the archive. If my memory serves me correctly, the text was written by Ned Kelly, the township of Greta being his home place. As Australia’s most famous outlaw he was also an articulate writer, having penned some marvellous vitriol in his well known Jerilderie Letter. Bob Bolton or others please correct me, but I think Ned wrote this shortly before his death by hanging at Old Melbourne Gaol. I have heard the yarn that the serving Judge, (later Sir) Redmond Barry hurried the case through on a Monday, so that he would not miss out on attending the Melbourne Cup horse race the following day. (My source for this was Jim Buchanan - I hope he is still alive and well, having not seen him for 10 years).

Regards
John

MIDI file: greta.mid

Timebase: 120

TimeSig: 2/4 24 8
Key: G
Tempo: 060 (1000000 microsec/crotchet)
Name: NED KELLY'S FAREWELL TO GRETA
Start
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
M:2/4
Q:1/4=60
K:G
G,2A,2B,2B,2|A,2G,2B,2D2|DEF2G2G2|D2B,2A,4|
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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 02 Dec 98 - 04:48 AM

G'day,
I'm not sure Ned wrote this - both John Manifold and Ron Edwards include it in their collections, neither makes any mention of the author (which they do when known).

Thanks for all your efforts with the tunes, it's greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 02 Dec 98 - 07:28 PM

Alan,

It is you to whom we owe a debt of gratitude. Without your expertise, and the fact that you delivered a usable program, the DT would be much, much leaner in terms of tunes. The next step is how to encourage many more people to contribute.

Regards
John


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Subject: Tune Add: NED KELLY'S FAREWELL TO GRETA
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 03 Dec 98 - 04:29 PM

G'day All ... and John of Brisbane,

Probably the best single book on the Kelly Gang songs is Ned Kelly after a century of acrimony, John Meredith and Bill Scott, Lansdowne Press, Dee Why West, 1980. Neither John nor Bill suggest that this song is Ned's own composition, despite the fact that it is in the first person (of both Ned and Kate).

Interestingly, the song comes from a source with an odd connection to the gang: Max Brown collected it from Mrs Barry, of Beechworth, Victoria ... a great-niece of the wife of Aaron Sherritt - the traitor, found to be in the pay of the police and shot (while "protected" by four troopers) by gang member Joe Byrne in 1880. The connection (at several removes) to Joe Byrne reminds us that he is credited (by Meredith & Scott) with "the authorship of all the autobiographical Kelly Ballads" and may well have had a hand in this one.

The common tune, here in Australia, is that set to the collected words by John Meredith: Rossa's Farewell to Erin (on which the song appears to be modelled) and this is the first set of MIDIText:

MIDI file: fw-greta.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Tempo: 128 (468750 microsec/crotchet)
Start
0720 1 60 080 0192 0 60 064 0048 1 65 080 0288 0 65 064 0072 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 60 080 0225 0 60 064 0015 1 72 080 0288 0 72 064 0072 1 74 080 0096 0 74 064 0024 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 70 080 0096 0 70 064 0024 1 70 080 0096 0 70 064 0024 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 67 080 0288 0 67 064 0072 1 65 080 0096 0 65 064 0024 1 62 080 0576 0 62 064 0144 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 65 080 0288 0 65 064 0072 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 60 080 0225 0 60 064 0015 1 72 080 0288 0 72 064 0072 1 74 080 0096 0 74 064 0024 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 70 080 0225 0 70 064 0015 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 67 080 0288 0 67 064 0072 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 72 080 0576 0 72 064 0144 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 74 080 0192 0 74 064 0048 1 74 080 0192 0 74 064 0048 1 70 080 0192 0 70 064 0048 1 74 080 0192 0 74 064 0048 1 72 080 0288 0 72 064 0072 1 70 080 0096 0 70 064 0024 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 70 080 0192 0 70 064 0048 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 62 080 0576 0 62 064 0144 1 64 080 0096 0 64 064 0144 1 65 080 0288 0 65 064 0072 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 60 080 0225 0 60 064 0015 1 72 080 0288 0 72 064 0072 1 74 080 0096 0 74 064 0024 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 70 080 0225 0 70 064 0015 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 67 080 0288 0 67 064 0072 1 64 080 0096 0 64 064 0024 1 65 080 0576 0 65 064
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:4/4
Q:1/4=128
K:C
C8|F3GF2C2|c3dc2^A^A|A2F2G3F|D6E2|F3GF2C2|
c3dc2^A2|A2F2G3A|c6c2|d2d2^A2d2|c3^AA2c2|
^A2A2G2F2|D6E2|F3GF2C2|c3dc2^A2|A2F2G3E|F19/4||

The second tune is collected in Brunswick, Victoria from Mrs C.S. Peatey by The Folklore Society of Victoria (what ... all of them ... at once?) and works quite well, although there is only an A part:

MIDI file: fw-gretb.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Tempo: 128 (468750 microsec/crotchet)
Start
0720 1 60 080 0096 0 60 064 0024 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 64 080 0288 0 64 064 0072 1 64 080 0096 0 64 064 0024 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 60 080 0225 0 60 064 0015 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 67 080 0225 0 67 064 0015 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 71 080 0096 0 71 064 0024 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 64 080 0225 0 64 064 0015 1 62 080 0576 0 62 064 0144 1 74 080 0192 0 74 064 0048 1 74 080 0288 0 74 064 0072 1 72 080 0096 0 72 064 0024 1 71 080 0192 0 71 064 0048 1 69 080 0225 0 69 064 0015 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 67 080 0225 0 67 064 0015 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 72 080 0225 0 72 064 0015 1 71 080 0113 0 71 064 0007 1 67 080 0288 0 67 064 0072 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 71 080 0225 0 71 064 0015 1 72 080 0576 0 72 064
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:4/4
Q:1/4=128
K:C
C7D|E3ED2C2|E2G2G2AB|c2c2G2E2|D6d2|d3cB2A2|
A2G2c2c2|BG3A2B2|c19/4||

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:51 PM

As a postscript to the above I learned sadly that Jim Buchanan passed away several yers ago. To Jim!


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 01:55 PM

I just read this story and was intrigued enough to try the link to Ned Kelly's Jerilderie Letter at the State Library of Victoria
Fascinating reading and well presented with transcript and views of the pages too (all 56 of them)


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Oct 01 - 01:57 PM

Thanks fellas. I'm going to "refresh" this for a later time, when I have more time. There's a LOT of very useful information here. By the way, CHEERS from Seattle Washington, USA ... it's raining ... of course. Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Percustard
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 09:03 PM

Hi all,

Im not having much luck with text to midi conversion for the above tunes.

Anytips for a mac user?

Im interested in the links between "farewell to Greta" and "Irish Eyes are Smiling".

Also, am a little unclear, about "Rossa's Farewell to Erin". How similar are "Greta" and "Erin"?

I will go looking and get back.


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Percustard
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 09:10 PM

Here's link to the Miditext site:

http://miditext.8m.net/miditext.html


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 09:12 PM

G'day Percustard,

Alan of Australia has a separate MIDI resource site that you can access from the box at the top of the Mudcat Forum front page. This should give you a MIDI file that will play in any computer media player (even one in a Mac!).

If this tune is not yet in Alan's stash, I can e-mail the MIDI directly to you.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Percustard
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 11:19 PM

Hi Bob and all,

Kellys Farewell to Greta doesnt appear to be in Alan's Mudcat Stash.

A direct email would be bloody good.

I hope to hear from you soon.

And thanks again Bob. Dont suppose you have "Rossa's Farewell to Erin" filed away somewhere?

I suppose "Irish Eyes" is still in copyright? 50 years after the death of the author??

Anyway

Seeya

Mark


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 12:05 AM

G'day Percustard,

I'll see what I can dig up on Rossa'a Farewell .... I'll send you MIDIs for i>Kelly'a Farewell to Greta and Irish Eyes ... .

The copyright dated for Irish Eyes ... is something like 1923 ... although the author is Chauncy Allcott (???!?) ... who was really an English immigrant to America ... whose first name was someting like "Chancellor" (... !) - so he changed it to "Chauncy" when he started writing pseudo-Irish pop songs.

American copyrights work differently ... and have been changed again to over a 100 years - for songs after (something like) 1923. (You need to ask an American about their copyright laws ... and they don't apply here, but would apply to anything exported to America.)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 06:29 AM

Rossa's Farewell to Erin has a version in the DT and the tune is given as the Boys of Wexford. (Colm O Lochlainn in Irish Street Ballads describes his version of the tune there as "a poor version of The Boys of Wexford" - but it'll sing well enough to either tune.)

(Incidentally O Lochlainn gives a different set of names for the traitors - Nagle, Massey, Corydon and Talbot, instead of the DT's Nagle, Noone, O'Brien and Power.)


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 07:27 AM

G'day again,

I should not post from work ... without checking the texts! I have slandered Chauncy (Chancellor John) Olcott by accusing him of beimg a Pom ... he was actually New York born (I was confusing him with ... er ... well I was confusing someone!). Anyway, it turns out the the tune Rossa's Farewell to Erin is not the one to Farewell to Greta that reminded me of Irish Eyes ... ... that is another collected tune ... in 4/4, but with similar melodic structure.

Ideed, I would have worked that out ... if I bothered to read my own post - 10 entries (and 3½ years) back.

Sorry Percustard - that seems to limit the excuses for manipulation of all those tunes into a Tursacan confection ...

Regard(les)s,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: MUS ADD: Ned Kelly's Farewell To Greta
From: Percustard
Date: 26 Jun 02 - 08:48 PM

Ned's Death: Anniversary Today (June 27).


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Subject: Lyr. Add: Farewell to My Home in Greta
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 12:41 AM

Not the same as the version in the DT, "this one collected by Max Brown from Mrs. Barry of Beechworth, and said to have been sung about 1879."

Farewell to My Home in Greta.
Anon.

"Farewell to my home in Greta,
My loved ones fare thee well,
It grieves my heart to leave you
But here I must not dwell.

"They placed a price upon my head
My hands are stained with gore,
And I must roam the forest wild
Within the Australian shore.

"But if they cross my cherished path,
By all I hold on earth
I'll give them cause to rue the day
Their mothers gave them birth.

"I'll shoot them down like carrion crows
That roam our country wide,
And leave their bodies bleaching
Along some woodland side,

"A prey to every prowling bird,
The hawk, the carrion crow,
It's thus I'd serve each sneaking cur
Who'd cause my overthrow."

"Oh, Edward, darling brother
Surely you would not go
So rashly to encounter
With such a mighty foe.

"Now don't you know that Sidney
And Melbourne are combined,
And for your apprehension, Ned,
There are warrants duly signed.

"To eastward lies great Bogong,
Towering to the sky
From east to west and then you'll find
That's Gippsland lying by.

"You know the country well, Ned,
So take your comrades there,
And profit by your knowledge
Of the wombat and the bear.

"And let no childish quarreling
Cause trouble in the gang;
You're up with one another,
And guard my brother Dan.

"See yonder ride four troopers,
One kiss before we part,
Now haste and join your comrades- Dan,
Joe Byrne and Stevey Hart."

pp. 48-49, Douglas Stewart and Nancy Keesing, 1957, "Old Bush Songs and Rhymes of Colonial Times," Angus and Robertson, Sidney. "Enlarged and Revised from the Collection of A. B. Patterson."

The current attempt to identify the body of Ned Kelly, where it lies collected together with others executed for their crimes, and possibly use DNA for identification, is the reason I have revived this thread.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM

And profit by your knowledge
Of the wombat and the bear.


Would that be the koala bear? Not the most threatening of creatures...


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 07:44 PM

That line made me stop too. Were they used for food by people in the bush? Or are they animals that knew how to keep hidden?


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: Fergie
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 08:40 PM

My memory tells me that the reason they weren't a regular part of the diet of Australians is because the meat is not palatable. This is due to the fact that the koala's diet is restricted solely to eucalyptus leaves and that this imparts a very strong and unappetising flavour to the flesh.
Fergus


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: Fergie
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 08:52 PM

Oh! by the way, the reason I wanted to post had nothing to do with koalas, but is because I'm hoping that somebody can post a midi of the tune used for this lovely song.
Fergus


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: Rowan
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 10:13 PM

Phascolarctus cinereus, "the koala", is unrelated to bears but bears no grudges when mistakenly called a koala bear. The meat is unappetising to today's tastes but the fur almost caused their extinction in the 1920s. Taxonomically, you could almost regard the koala as a tree-climbing wombat.

And don't be misled by Percustard's assertion of 26 Jun 02 Ned's Death: Anniversary Today (June 27).

Most Australians know that 11 November is famous as the anniversary of three events of national significance;
Ned Kelly's hanging in 1880 (in the Old Melbourne Gaol, as mentioned above),
the Declaration of the Armistice ending "The Great War" in 1918, and
the Dismissal of the Whitlam Government, by the Governor General, Sir John Kerr, in 1974.

Kelly's remains were transferred to HM Prison Pentridge (the original "Bluestone College") which has been decommissioned and will be redeveloped. An archaeological investigation is attempting to locate, identify and relocate human remains within the site although, as readers of Wilde's Ballad of Reading Gaol may recall, quicklime makes such activities difficult.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:24 AM

Rowan - have you heard Colin Dryden singing 'Ballad of Reading Gaol' on Extradition's "Hush"

there is an old thread 1960's Australian Folk Albums with info on this album

sandra


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Ned Kelly's Farewell to Greta
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 02:48 AM

Just to confuse matters...the tune that I know to "Farewell My Home in Greta" was recorded as an instrumental by an East African performer in the late 1930's. This has been reissued on a double CD "Something is Wrong" (Honest John Records HJRCD50)- CD1 track 6, where it is titled "John Geko". The booklet notes suggest that it was possibly a tune played by an army band. The following couplet is given ' "Who will mourn me when they bury me/When they tread down the earth over my body".


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