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Subject: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:43 AM

Visit: www.maitreya.org. Study the Satanic Star of David, Notice all the intergated unified religious symbols of all faiths, notice thatthe cetner of all these faiths is the maitreya (the christ) highest in the hierarchy of spriritual leaders/entities who purpose is to bring about world peace and the unification of all religions for the common good.

Notice the higher authority and master of all religions is the Maitreya (the Christ) imposter christ that is!

Type in "Ascended Masters" at Google for a List of Telepathy Schools.

Type is "Golden City Maps" at Google to learn which asended master is Telepathically Channeling a specific Vortex of the United States. These represent the Great religious, social, poitical, intellectual schools of the world, under the guidance and self actualization of the anti-christ. (maitreya; christ of THIS WORLD)

Each ascended master is working to raise the consciouness of the planet for the path of integrated intellectual illumination. The final goal: world peace, the pure doctrine of lucifer, defeat of atheism, war with the christians and the establsiment of the new age (rein of the Devil on planet earth)

TELEPATHICALLY Lucifer is currently in control of 1/3 of the U.S. government officials, and, I am not Kidding. He is channeling through many great and soon to be great authors, thinkers and religious leaders, for the express purpose of raising telepathic consciouness on earth, for direct dialouge with the World leadership and seats of government and he seeks religious leadership control of the entire world.

The schools of the ascended masters are being attended by success gurus around the world. They are estabished througout America and the world with memberships is excess of 20,000. Many of the channeler's become ascended masters themselves and become "one with the light" the light of course is the anti-christ himself who is at the highest ascended masters, he is the master of masters, the self proclaimed "Christ" Channeler's areto obtain "Christ Consciousness" through him.

These sucess gurus write channeled books through automatic writing, that go one to be best sellers. Just name a success Guru/Bestselling author and type in his name in on Google.com In front of his name type the words "ascended masters" you will be AMAZED by these very revealing results. results linking the author, his telepathic channeler (ascended master) and maitreya, master of all these "ascended masters".

each Ascended master is working off the consciousness of another person to expand world collective consciouness and prepare the way for the Maitreya (anti-christ)

I know because I have been channeling one of these ascended masters. Find out what he said to me at http://believersguide.blogspot.com


The end is near, Satan is working with the consciousness of political, intellectual and religious leaders throughout the world AND: TELEPATHICALLY, IN PHYSCIAL LOCATIONS THOROUGHOUT THIS PLANET.

If you type in the words ASCENDED MASTERS in google, you will find numerous website and inidividuals who opening admit to the channeling and name the physical master that is CHANNELING THEIR GREAT INTELLECTUAL WORKS, BOOKS, IDEAS etc. These ascended masters/entities each have a name and a physical body, and most live in india.

These masters are openly given credit for works they have channeled into other individuals. For example: Dr. Such and Such's book channeled through the Ascended Master (of the maitreya) St. SO AND SO.

If you don't believe me type in Ascended Masters, Maitreya, Benjamin Creme, and your favorite success author and guru. Something like Tony Robbins, Wayne Dyer, Deepok Chopra etc.

Dewey (who was channeling someone, An Ascended Master, in Tibet, AND I AM NOT KIDDING!!)


P.S.

Type in: "Ascended Masters Tibet" on Google then the www.maitreya.org. then sit back in your chair and be totally floored and blown away by the results you will see when you do this.

DO IT NOW! ITS TOO IMPORTANT AND REVEILING TO YOUR FUTURE TO PUT OFF!!!

Dewey (the serious one, and I have never been MORE SERIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING IN MY LIFE as I am about these ascended masters and the coming of the antichrist upon the face of planet earth!!!)

P.S. Again

I am perfectly sane, if you think I am crazy you will only be fooling and deluding yourselves.

The anit-christ is real and he is here right now as we speak and is the telepathic controller of the earth and its physical plane of thought and all psychical interaction, with ourselves, each other and the ascended masters/entities that represent his domain.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:58 AM

Oh Fuck!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:12 AM

Dewey, you scare me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: skipy
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:18 AM

Go and get help!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Alba
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:42 AM

Akenaton.....it's 4.39am here in Maine and I can't sleep and I come into Mudcat read Dewey's scarey prophecy then your reply..... I am at this moment typing while LMAO.
Blessings and Best wishes to all.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:43 AM

Get the beer in urgently.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: gnu
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:49 AM

Beer? Whiskey and Holy water.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:54 AM

Dewey, who were you channeling when you posted Go eat your turds?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:01 AM

Don't worry Dewey, next week the Anti-Christ will be needed on Omega8 in the constellation of Orion. Urgent business to do with the Meethoids.We'll move down the line for a few thousand years. Then he'll come back and the planet will be dead anyway. Destroyed by human STUPIDITY!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:07 AM

Skipy,

I'm fine, I was/still am a Christian and also was even prior to coming into contact with these forces.

I did not call on them at any one time. so I was in no threat of possesion by any of them at any one time, yet they appeared to me in the forms expressive non-local knowledge, and were working through my intergrated thought modalities at a sub-conscious level.

They could not control my primary or sub-conscious mind, but merely influenced and directed me towards various subjects and futurist experiences, time has no bounds for them, they are creatures of many planes and demensions which is why they are so powerful to the person that has learned to control them and use them in reaching un-reachable objective and futurist time manipulation. Had I continued to call on them, and actually name any of them (which I did not EVER do) and acknowledge their powers, they could than have been unleashed on my psychie and physical body. I have conversed with people on the internet that have had this experience and it was not pleasant for them.

Anyway, nothing to worry about, I may sound wacko on this message board, but if you ever met me in person you would see that I am one very happy and pleasantly balanced individual.

I am self-confident, self-directed, and not interested in anything outside my conscious realm of experience, merely becasue of the undertermined consequences that might result. Also I am not overly religious or superstitious, yet my faith in Christ is an important part of my life.

So please don't waiste your time worrying, what's coming down upon this earth, is what everyone on this message board should be worried about, and, also, primarily, they should worry too about getting their lives straight with Christ and the hearts right for the coming of end of the new age.


Just like the Devil can manipulate and project time itself and influence consciousness thoroughout the time space continuum, so too can the Lord Jesus Christ. channel the great book of Revelation to JOhn the Apostle thousands of years ago and make its prophecies unfold in our current modern day and age.

Worry about yourselves, and your relationship to him, don't bother worrying about me. even if you do think I am off my rocker, you are merely waisting you time from the real issue that is now at hand, the future of this planet under the hands and directives of the anti-christ. It will not be a world you will want to live in, So be prepared: for now is the time and now is the hour. Don't be caught off guard when all these things start to come to pass and are fulfilled before your very eyes.

Most people dont' believe in the devil, boy are they in for a shock! He is a spirit and a fallen angel and far more poewrful than any human being or group on this planet will ever be! Please Remember that always, as I have discovered it to be true! He has been given all power and auhtority over this planet, Only Jesus Christ can take it from him.

And that should scare you more than anything I have writeen here or any other previous state of mind I have experienced in my consciousness in the past.


Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:32 AM

"Go Eat Your Turds" came from me.

I meant it when I said it, And I am not ashamed of saying it. Occasionally, if justified, I may even use the word "Turd" Again!

Like the fact that you are most likely being a "turd" for having reminded me of the quote again.

I used the word turd all the time when I was in junior high, In fact I'll use it one more time here again before I leave all of you all because mother natural call's and I have to go take a t***....

Dewey (who doesn't use the F-word, but enjoys the word TURD)

T>>>>>>    U>>>>>>>>>>>>>   R>>>>>>>>> D>>>>>>>>>>>

Put'em together what do ya have!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:35 AM

Turds!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: gnu
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:36 AM

A turd.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Soma
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:48 AM

Today is a beautiful day here in the UK the low Sun casts long shadows and the Crocuses sing new life.
For me this is enough, and I sincerely wish it were the same for you.

Saddened

Soma


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:12 AM

I need feedback.

Seriously!

It may sound entertaining, and I am very happy to entertain while others laugh their A's off.

But while everyone is laughing so heartily, at least do the assignment and type in the those words I mentioned in the search engines along with the various sites mentioned.

After reading everything I have said, If I were you, I would probably be laughing the same way....

But just for a moment.

Please try to take me seriously, because I am dead serious.

What if I am actual right, and there IS such an unholy alliance?

Wouldn't you want to be the first to know about it and prepare yourselves and your families for what is about to come!

It's alright to laugh, I am kind of chuckling while I am writing this, not because its a joking matter, but because it all sounds so surreal and unblievable.

I have learned in my life, however, that some of the most craziest things I regularly have disbelieved in my past turned out to be absolutely and in-escapable true. Here you face such a situation; and, I am confidnet that if you will be honest with yourselves you will find my conclusion to be largely and in-escapable correct.

IT IS DEADLY SERIOUS, AND I AM NOT JOKING!!! I AM MERELY WARNING YOU NOW SO THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS WITHIN THE NEXT 3 to 20 YEARS YOU WILL NOT BE SURPRISED BY IT.

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:27 AM

Guest Soma!

What's to say that it isn't the same for me! I don't worry about the future, I live in the NOW which in the only moment there is, even the devil himself knows this to be true,

My faith is in God and the Beauty of his creation, it is his world, but Satan is the prince of the world, and his time is ending as well as his control over the consciousness of the planet and its creation.

It is truly always a great day for me, so if you are saddened don't let me be the cause of it.

By the way everyone I did get a second job, I just happened to have the night off and decided to type this info until 5 a.m.

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Soma
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:40 AM

And who created the Devil?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:43 AM

Feedback? What do you want someone to say? "Aye lad, it's all true - and the moon is made of green cheese, the devil lives in Basingstoke and the McDonalds golden arches have a mathematical link to Satan?" It would still be paranoid bollocks, though.
Go out of doors, breathe in some fresh air and connect with the real world rather than such patent crap.
Sitting at home and Googling conspiracy theories is not a sensible hobby for the credulous.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,The Beast of Farlington
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:56 AM

I typed the searches in as you asked. So what? You seem to have a downer on buddhism, it doesn't mean there is some conspiracy with the devil.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:09 AM

I checked it out too. Claptrap. Dewey mate, I hope you were on something when you swallowed that lot. If not, then you really should make an appointment with a counsellor. Please - I am not being sarcastic here, I really think you could use some help.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: John O'L
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:16 AM

Dewey -

If you type in "bullshit" at Google you will get The Web Economy Bullshit Buster, with instructions thus:

1. Click the make bullshit button.
2. Watch bullshit appear in the box.
3. Repeat to taste (use your Enter/Return key).

I have found this a far more satisfying passtime than the bullshit you seem to have stumbled across.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:41 AM

Guest Soma

He is omni-potent just like God. There is a Quadradic like multi dementional Plane, beyond the linear physcial one of earth. Earth is the linear one in which time exist, It doesn't exist in the non-linear field which is where satan dwells.

Remember he is a fallen angel, he is within the plane of ONENESS (the unity field of the SOURCE (which is where the devilish field of sorcery comes from)

If you ever have a super-consciouss experience, (which I have had) you will learn that everything in the universe is unified, Time is unified, Space is unified, Occurance are unified and thus can be manipulated. This is the most profound and little know secret of the ancinet mysteries and is why time and prophecies can be experienced and manipulated. (nostradomus for example)

Satan has bee taken down to a lower plane, so he can only effect consciousness and interactive destiny so far. God and the true Christ are higher than him. It's a matter of divinity, quantum physics and hierachy, more than an issue of a timeline reflecting a beginning middle, end and birth or re-birth.

Of course, I know the true jist of your question. You do not believe in the devil. Because you do not believe in anything or anyone you have not seen beyond the physical earth plane which you see, you are eager to expose me as wrong in my acknowledgement of him.

But the true movers and skakers like the devil are in the spiritual domain, in the physical, but non-physical, interactive presents of this domain.

These ascended masters are real and they come from the unified spirit plane. Their vibrations, thoughts and molecular strutures are higher than ours and our lower level of consciousness in its present state, that why that are known as ascended beings, they are ascneded and controlled under the direction and directive of lucifer the light bearer.

Just because you cannot see something doesn't mean it isn't real. The power of the creative consciousness, or group consciousness is very real, in the earth plane it is the dominion of Satan, as he was a fallen agnel given such jurisdictions.

But the vibrational directive of the true god is much higher than him and thus he cannot ultimately control the physical or pyschical control of the spiritual human being, unless such a human being (who has free will) gives him such power to do so.

It not a chicken and egg world, in the spiritual plane, time does not exist, only consciousness and directives do. Ultimately the devil will be destroyed but it is not a issue of time and much as divinity; as time in the astral plane never was in the first place, it is only here on the physical plan because of the manifestions that result, but can be absolved as well, which God himself will do, eventually making lucifer a non-entity.

Sorry you don't believe in the devil guest, but just because you cannot see him in your small insignificant earth plane doesn't mean he isn't real whether in the past or in the coming future.

I begain to discover the nature of time through these transient beings of the spiritual plane, (but fortunately, for me, though I have unveiled the demntions of their plane) I have chosen not to manipulate or explore it for fear of its un-determined consequences to the psychie of my primary mind and it independant powers.

If you wish to learn the true nature of the devil.

Go to Webster's online dictionary and look up the term DIVINATION, this is the manipuation of spirit beings, and the projection of the time space continuum of re-occurant interactive events in non-local lower vibratory demensions.

Einstein was correct in his unified field theory in reguards to the universe.

Also right, was Sir Isaac Newton's Acknowledgement that for every action, there is a greater and opposite reaction. Our thoughts and actions can be placed upon the background of the time/space continuum and may be interactively thrust back to us at any time within the future (known as the re-occurent event, please see my blog http://believersguide.blogspot.com) Isaac Newton also believed in alchemy, which would of course mean that the devil would have control over over the physiology of our physcial material bodies as well, meaning the anti-christ to take over and manipulate our bodies and well as produce miracles by manipluating and re-defining the physcial elements of the earth as well.

The only disadvantage is that since that the unified field is not dependant upon us for its existance, and we too are on a lower plane, the thoughts and/or events we recieve back from it may be from an undetermined and undesired origin not of our liking and also beyond our control and purpose if we submit to the will of the higher interactive mind (the devil)

God himself is at the very top of this higher domain and interactive pyramid, but his powers and temperarily placed in the power domians and in the hands of hte fallen angel Lucifer.


Which of course, no one including Guest Soma believes in.

Dewey

P.S. The is more to the world that jsut what we see, The world one big interactive intellgent barin of beings, thoguhts and messages trasnceding all timeand location, and dependant upon us and others for its interaction and substance. Who has the power and domain over these plane is the key to understanding their purposes. Right now the domain is given to the devil. And thus I choose not to mess arouind with it anymore dispute the potnetial power for wroldly success and affluence.

Remember in biblical times, Satan offered the World to Jesus, which was at Satan's Command, if he would but bow down and worship him, Jesus was tempted many times buy him, but Jesus was wiser and above him and replied,

"Get thee Behind me Satan for it is written man shall not live by bread alone but by ever word of God"


Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:44 AM

Just for a high one, I did type in the words you suggested, Dewey.

I saw nothing special. Big deal.

If you really want to see evil Communist anti-Christ boogeymen in the ether, and want to pretend your saving the world from them... well, nothing anybody else says will change your mind.

But seriously, get some fresh air. And a good psychiatrist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Crystal
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:46 AM

Satan is an anagram for Santa.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:56 AM

Oh, did I say? The Golden City Map costs $35 off the B&A Emergency Preparedness Products company's website. Buy it and you'll know where to be in times of trouble. The problem is, the map is for US only (it's actually called the I Am America US Golden Cities Map..).

Well, blow me - non Us-ers, we're all doomed. Oh, well...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:59 AM

Yeah, especially Sweden.

(oh, and Canada, and America too)

Just some more whacko crap to throw into the mix...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:11 AM

Ah, the Westboro Baptist Church stuff - now, THAT's evil! Imagine any church purporting to be a Christian one at that, "praying that the 20,000 Swedes lost in the Asian tsounami disaster should be declared dead".

As for the Swedes being fag lovers and therefore should die, all I can say is I am glad I have switched to cigars...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:15 AM

So some of you don't dig it, That's fine. And, your right: I don't dig much of Buddhism, espeically reincarnation and Good and Bad Karma.

I'm not crazy though and have a happy balanced life, also I probably type less on here than most of you do.

I don't or didn't just sit in front of the computer typing for hours on end, my posts at this site have been a little over 100 in the full five years I've been here.

I can punch some of you in here who criticize me and find your posts close to that many entries (mostly insults to other users) in a single day.

So that makes me sick because I post regularly here on the subject of and unsupported hypothesis on metaphysics?

I don't need any pyschological help thanks! I am far too busy and active for that, and might I mention HAPPY!

I only did automatic writing in my spare time as I hobby, I admit I was/am fascinated and changed by it, but I will not admit it was an obession, I wrote about a page a day. sometimes I wouldn't write anything for a solid month,and that is the honest truth.

I am not glued to may computer day in and day out either. I do as I please. Last night and this morning I felt like doing these post so in happy fascination I am killing some time here.


Not to worry, as my posting history should show I am a sporadic guest.

Dewey (the nut)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:36 AM

Dewey,

Find someone to talk to; preferably a professional.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:51 AM

Ah, no. The Signs are wrong. What we have is just another anti-Christ wannabee. The real Anti-Christ is gonna spring it all as a surprise, with no warning at all. One day you'll look up are WHATM! the stars are falling from the sky, there'll be a dragon with seven heads, the works, four horsemen riding around, the works.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: PeteBoom
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:59 AM

You know not the day nor the hour...

And those who attempt to predict it will be wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Layah
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:01 AM

Oh good, then all you need is to have someone always predicting it, and it will never happen! Anyway I thought all the believers get sucked bodily up to heaven when the anti-christ comes, which would make it pretty obvious to the rest of us left here, and make it immaterial to all true belivers...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:07 AM

"Heaven for the climate and Hell for the company." -- Mark Twain.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:33 AM

Dear God. I think I shall found a religion, the High Central Omnivorous Church of the Blessed Codswallop Ad Infinitum. Make oodles of dough. Recommendations for hymns, prayers, texts and random arbitrary nouns with capital letters always welcome for consideration.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:52 AM

Make them touch the TV screem Amos - please, just for a laugh!
But you need a better name for the sect, something with a meaningful acronym. Say something like Church Of Blessed Bretheren & Latter-day Evangelical Reformed Sinners.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: skipy
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:22 AM

Don't be cruel you guys, the bloke is obviously suffering & needs help!
(clever use of words though E G)
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:36 AM

Dewey, in your other thread about this, a number of people have shown that they are willing to discuss this with you. Might this be something that could move to PMs, or would you support keeping this all in just the one thread?

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:55 AM

"WHEN IT HAPPENS WITHIN THE NEXT 3 to 20 YEARS YOU WILL NOT BE SURPRISED BY IT."

oh yes I will.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:59 AM

Happy Turdsday Dewey.

BTW, nothing much new or 'knew' in your posting. Mark Twain observed how much he wanted to meet Satan and I put forth one modest link involving some of his perorations:

Mark Twain on Satan

Please also remember that Satan derives his meaningfulness from our beliefs, so a lot of what you are about is propagating him via fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:09 AM

Dewey. To start a thread which you know may draw ridicule from some can be either brave or stupid. You have bravely started this thread for the right reasons but people on the "Cat" who consider themselves well educated will try to discredit you and what you say as a Christian. Please do not be disheartened by this as their understanding is just not the same as yours . However, if you have sown a seed in one persons mind which makes them "seek" to understand the wholeness of Christianity, then you have fulfilled part of the great commission, given to all disciples by Jesus. When He said "Tell all the World" He was not asking disciples to just set an example, he was asking them to tell people. If you tell them and they refuse to accept the Gospels as truth...that is up to them. They have been told or warned or whatever. It is everyones choice to seek or discredit.
May the Lord be with you in strength.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:20 AM

Oh Blimey, here we go again...
From what I can see, poor old Dewey's frenzied Googling has sod all to do with the truth or otherwise of the gospels. His Christianity is probably irrelevent - his overall credulity or 'undeerstanding' isn't. I don't know about sowing a seed, but he's certainly provided a steaming heap of manure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Mooh
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM

Dewey...I sincerely assumed you were having us all on. You know, just to see how long you can screw with the heads of 'Catters. Cool joke.

If you're serious, get some help as soon as any part of your mind will allow.

I don't know about no anti-Christ, but if he ever meets my Auntie Lucy, he's in trouble.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Pogo
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM

O_O

Uhm...oooookay then...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Pogo
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:24 AM

So the anti-christ is on mudcat...right now?

O_O I knew it...

Which GUEST is he?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Anti -Christ
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:46 AM

Now lets get a few things strait here.
You think I'm bad news for humanity?
Lets have a look at Gods behaviour before you start hurling allegations.
Remember the flood?
God got pist off with you so he drowned all of you apart from his best mate and family.
Incinerated all the folks in Sodom and Gomorrah cos he didn't like there sexuality.
Turned Lots wife into a pillar of salt for being curious.
Murdered all the Egyptian first-born (every one of which, of cause had been democratically consulted about the repression of the Hebrews).
Ordered his chosen people to Butcher all the Men Women and Children in Jericho.
The God that punishes sinner's families even unto the tenth generation.

This fickle misogynistic mass murdering genocidel child Killer is going to judge Me.

P lease


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Anti-Christ
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:51 AM

I sincerely hope that the anti-Christ wins.

Because if you read your Bible, especially Revelations, you will see that the great holy plan of God began in Genesis with lying to Adam and Eve that they would die if they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge (i.e. woke up and smelled the coffee.)

The great holy plan of God ends with the horrific destruction of the world, the slaughter of most of mankind and a host of assorted horrors.

(Naturally good people living in remote communities who have not been exposed to the Bible will burn in hell, because they don't bow down to Jesus like they're supposed to - they don't even know who He is.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 01:10 PM

Dewey, you are free to believe whatever you want to. That's your personal path of learning, and it's up to you.

The same goes for the rest of us.

God is infinite. What is infinite does not exist outside of or apart from anything else. It is inclusive of all that is. If you think there is an AntiChrist who can mess up God's plan, you are mistaken. There could be the appearance of such in a dream...a world of illusion. There can be the appearance of anything in a dream. That doesn't mean it's real. That which imagines itself to be in opposition to God is not even real. It's an illusory creation of mind that imagines itself to be separate from what it cannot possibly be separate from in the first place.

So, my friend, I think you are worrying about the boogeyman inside the dream that you or someone else created. Presently the dream will pass away, and you will wake up...or you will dream another dream. God is. AntiChrist is the figment of a dreaming mind. If there are a hundred thousand rich men around the World figuring they are serving the AntiChrist that they dreamed up or that someone else dreamed up...well, they are ALL just roiling around inside a mental illusion. They may cause some big trouble inside that dream, but the dream will pass away...like the Shakespearian play, "Hamlet". A whole bunch of actors get murdered in Hamlet, but when the play is over...Lo and Behold, the actors are all just fine!

You're obsessing about the play, Dewey. The play is just a play, and it's going to end soon enough. Not one soul will perish, and God will not have been opposed by anything real whatsoever.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: LilyFestre
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 02:25 PM

Bill D.,
   

             ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I'm with ya man...I'm with ya!!!!!!!!!!!


Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:08 PM

To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Still, musn't grumble

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:38 PM

"The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!"

There are a few around, that's for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:12 PM

I think he is the leader of a country!

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:19 PM

It is so easy to ridicule anyones beliefs or lifestyles if we are so minded. The question is...if we ridicule something that is the truth,
where does the true ridicule lie?. 2 Timothy 3v16 states that all scripture is God breathed or God inspired, depending on translation.
It also goes on to describe the ways in which scripture is useful.
If you have not studied the scriptures, particularly the Gospels...how can you be in a position to judge or even understand the following of those who have.
Dewey may well be right in his understanding that the anti-Christ is alive on mother earth...according to some apostolised Christians the anti-Christ is here! If that is so then who is in jeopardy...why Christians of course, as we will be persecuted ( as predicted in scripture). All those who do not believe will get a free ride with no problems and with satan at the helm.
You may have your own set of beliefs but would you die for what you believe? True Christians will!
Many of the things predicted in scripture are coming to fruition here on earth...please take the time to study the New Testament through to Revelation and see for yourself.
No I am not trying to convert anyone..I don't have the power to do that...but I do have the power to relate to you a need to search for and hopefully find a truth which may be Gods or your own.
You have choices but please don't ignore the ones you have because you can't be bothered. By researching you may discover things you have never realised in your framework of life.
Perhaps it is Deweys "sense of caring for and loving his neighbour" that has made him start this thread...can you really knock him for that?. Even if you think he is misguided......
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:25 PM

Georgiansilver,
   I'm not ridiculing Dewey. I think that the Anti-Christ is the leader of a country.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:26 PM

From the Dearly Departed:

"They say Jesus will find you wherever you may go
But when he'll come lookin' for you they don't know
In the meantime keep your profile Low
(Gorilla you're a desperado)"

W.Zevon

Mike, I don't think there's much ridiculin of yours and Dewey's fomations on this thread, but I sense a certain amount of self ridicule inherent in the logic (or lack thereof) of your own arguments. Someone else is free to make a prediction of the return of The Great Prophet Zarquon (coming to a universe near you).

It's all good.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:32 PM

Sorry Guest PeterW...the comments were not directed at you personally.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:59 PM

The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!


We're having a couple of beers at home while we decide where we want to go after supper.



He's a pretty good accordion player, by the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:10 PM

Great humour Cluin but such a lack of understanding.
Waking from sleep is easy with an alarm clock....but waking to the truth comes later with a price. I am pleased for you that you think you have it all..
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:14 PM

My god has a sense of humour, Mike.

He pretty much HAS to.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:15 PM

Oh, Dewey:

You wrote:
"Einstein was correct in his unified field theory in reguards to the universe."

Not quite. Einstein worked on but never arrived at, a 'unified field theory.' There is none that is generally accepted at this point in time (and space).

You wrote:
"Also right, was Sir Isaac Newton's Acknowledgement that for every action, there is a greater and opposite reaction."

Actually, Dewey, the accepted terminology is that for every action, there is an EQUAL and opposite reaction.

You might have been listening to some of that late night AM radio fomations. Get some sleep and the world will look better in the morning!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:25 PM

Mike (GS),

I don't doubt for a moment the sincerity and honourable purpose of Dewey's post. Equally, no-one should doubt the sincerity of my first post on this thread - I honestly think he needs help.

I went through all the websites he suggested, and I found it poppycock. Please do the same and tell me your view. IMO this is nothing to do with Christianity. And anyway:

-the hate mongering white supremacists tell us the Anti-Christ is here, and he's black
-the hate mongering antisemitists tell us he's here, and he's circumcised
-the hate mongering Westboro Baptist Church tells he's here, and he is swedish and a gay-lover (see link earlier on this thread)
-at least one of the websites Dewey referred to us belongs to a company which is clearly in it for the money, scaremongering to sell their Emergency Protection Products.

And so on ad infinitum. We are bombarded daily with messages from people with all sorts of agendas, generally dressed up in grandiose terms, with the odd bit of Greek or Latin or Aramic thrown in for window-dressing (which I find particularly offensive because it looks like they treat me like a thicko). Which to believe? Surely they cannot all be right? Perhaps they are all wrong?

In the face of such confusion, most of us retreat to what our own religion teaches, and treat the rest with suspicion. And when we encounter someone who espouces such "unusual" beliefs, we consider them credulous and try to dissuade them.

So, Dewey was behaving honourably in honestly trying to pass the message and help save us. And we were just as honourably trying to save him - at first seriously, later with jibes, but all in order to make the same point:

The message he refers to is poppycock.
I will not entrust my soul to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:46 PM

ElGreko...yes I did not look at the sites referred to but still accept that most humans do things with good intention. Whether they are misguided is up to each of us to decide for ourselves. I believe that Dewey has made an attempt to draw peoples attention to the fact that the anti-Christ is here!. From all I have learnt in recent months this may well be true. However, people with lack of understanding tend to put their own interpretation on the whole thing.
The point I have tried to make is that each of us should seek the truth...whether it be Gods or our own.
I entrust my soul to the Lord whatever.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:19 PM

Al Franken has identifed the "anti-Christ" for us. He says that it's Marvin Hamlisch.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:22 PM

Dewey--

No wonder you believe what Bush says.   Birds of a feather...


Too bad you and he didn't say this before the election. Even the brilliant 51% would have known what to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:23 PM

The Anti-Christ especially likes to play triple jigs, the ones in 666/8 time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:50 PM

here is the basic situation Dewey is so upset about

I know about this because someone I knew was involved with it for a number of years.

Dewey and others who have a certain attitude toward religion see this movement as undermining their accepted beliefs and making false & mis-leading claims about christs and messiahs (note small letters). Hence the 'anti-christ' furor.

I saw it as just another attempt to make sense of all the conflicting messages in all the various religions by attempting to show that there will be only ONE truth and spititual teacher, and that 'he' is actually 'among' us already. (Note the picture on the page I linked.)

Of course, these folks use all sorts of new terminology and refer to new 'channelers' like Benjamin Creme.... and established religions see ANY shift in the usual format as dangerous and probably inspired by their version of "Satan"....

I am convinced that they are no better and no worse than any of the various cults and groups who form around anyone with an interesting new take on it all and an effecient PR system.

They make predictions....wait...then issue disclaimers for why their predictions didn't pan out, and make new predictions as they distribute literature and try to interest a world with too much on its mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:56 PM

I don't think it's so much the Anti-Christ as the Anti-Human, IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:59 PM

(note that along the left edge of the page I linked to are several other links to wonderful things like "software to discover your past lives" and ways to "use holographic time to gain wealth and understanding and rejuvanate the world") all for sale at reasonable prices...such a deal!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:02 PM

(sigh) I could spend a lot of time on this, but I'll think I'll just leave well enough alone this time... :-)

Pied Piper - That is an admirable quote from Shakespeare, and as far as most humanly embodied lives are concerned, it is quite accurate! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:03 PM

Slightly different version


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:10 PM

Considering the Bible is still the best selling book in the world (FACT)..there seems to be a lot of Bible ignorance here....Perhaps to make an opinion on what Dewey is trying to get across, one has to read the New Testament and see for oneself the predictions...which are coming to fruition today....When you see it in black and white it hits you between the eyes.....You have a choice...read it or don't be bothered.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:17 PM

I have read it. Plenty. It's quite interesting, sometimes very illuminating, depending on which particular part and how one interprets it. Everyone interprets it in a way that fits their own view of reality...if they bother to think about it at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:23 PM

So, all the people who consider themselves true Christians and claim to have a real relationship with the Living Christ who died on the cross but rose again for them are deluded or what Little Hawk?
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Burke
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:44 PM

Music alert!
THE GREAT DAY.
(As sung by Judge Falkerner of Al'a.)

John P. Rees. in Sacred Harp, 1859.

I've a long time heard that there will be a judgment,
That there will be a judgment in that day.
O, there will be a judgment in that day,
O, sinner, where will you stand in that day?

I've a long time heard that the sun will be darken'd,
That the sun will be darken'd in that day.
O the sun will be darken'd in that day--
Oh! sinner, where will you stand in that day?

I've a long time heard that the moon will be bleeding,
That the moon will be bleeding in that day.
O the moon will be bleeding in that day,
Oh! sinner, where will you stand in that day?

I've a long time heard that the stars will be falling,
That the stars will be falling in that day.
O the stars will be falling in that day,
Oh! sinner, where will you stand in that day?

I've a long time heard that the earth will be burning,
That the earth will be burning in that day.
O the earth will be burning in that day,
Oh! sinner, where will you stand in that day?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:45 PM

I know quite a few people who consider themselves "true" Christians, and yet belong to different factions of Christianity who hold such differing viewpoints and ideas about what is right, that their differences within their one faith make the differences between other faiths pale in comparison.

It's funny how someone professing to hold Christ as his own personal saviour can draw in allies from others who vow the same, no matter what views they hold. But unless you publicly make the same vow, your opinions don't count for much with them. I prefer to let the heart and mind the Maker gave me find my way through life, not some lunatic fringe website. If you've found a way that works for you, I rejoice for you. But don't assume you know what's best for me. And save your pontificating; you've got the same two eyes, ears and lobes of grey matter I do. You no more have a monopoly on truth than I do. That's the way I feel. No offense meant, however that comes across.

But our friend Dewey rambles like a lunatic on a streetcorner. Read his posts, He's all over the place. Pardon me if I don't throw in with him and hide out in my bomb shelter from The Beast. If he isn't the mayor of Crazy Town, he's certainly living in the suburbs.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:51 PM

Besides, you're ALL just Little Hawk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: LilyFestre
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:51 PM

My mother in law has a neighbor who is into the "Mark Age" form of Christianity. She fervently believes the Christ is coming to the earth during the summer in a spaceship. No one will be able to see him though because he is of the 4th dimension. We will only be able to see him when he crosses under an archway that she and her husband have erected in the middle of their field. They also mow patterns in their field to guide in the spaceship.

Each to their own I suppose.

Michelle

PS. Interestingly enough, both of these folks grew up in VERY religious communities (the woman was raised in the Amish tradition and was shunned) and each turned away from what they were raised in, found each other and then found Mark-Age.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:54 PM

predictions have been "coming to fruition" for many, many, many years....everyone who has strong beliefs seems to like the idea that prophecy will be fulfilled in their time. It gives a sense of urgency and importance to it all. If I were to pop back in in 200-300 years, I expect I'd see books on 'the Rapture' and groups waiting on mountain tops to be taken to heaven. That is why there are no exact dates in scripture...you gotta keep 'em interested and guessing.

(who...me? cynical?..naaawwwww)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:59 PM

wow...you illustrate my point Michelle...mow patterns in the field??? Won't all the crop circles confuse the ship?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:59 PM

No, I didn't say that at all, Mike. I said that everyone interprets what they read in the Bible in their own fashion...or else they just let a church "elder" interpret it FOR them. That is the way it goes in the majority of cases. Most people would rather be TOLD what to think, when it comes right down to it. Being told what to think is not good enough.

There are plenty of people out there (including me) who believe in Jesus just as fervently as you do, and still cannot agree among themselves about what he really stood for...or why he was crucified...or whatever.

You find them on every side of every political and social issue imaginable.

In my opinion, everyone has a relationship with the Living Christ. It's impossible not to. That doesn't mean, however, that they are aware of their relationship with the Christ, nor does it even mean that they are Christians. Jesus was NOT a Christian, and you do not have to be a Christian to have a relationship with the Christ. You can belong to any religion, or not religion at all, and still have a relationship with the Christ. You can have never heard of the man, Jesus, and still have a relationship with the Christ, because the Christ is an indwelling Spirit that existed before and after the physical man, Jesus. It is in all of Life.

My way includes you, Mike. I get the impression that your way doesn't include me. If so, that's too bad. God does not exclude anyone from God's Love, but the ego's entire basis for existence is exclusiveness. The ego wants to proudly say this: "Only MY way is right. Only MY holy book is of God. Only MY Christ was the real Christ. Only MY religion is the true religion. Only MY interpretation is the one that will save the soul...all others are of Satan."

The ego IS Satan, if you want to give it a name. It thirsts for the destruction and division and chaos that follows from exclusive thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:23 PM

Fear and Desire, all humanity's evils stem from those two impulses. The Budhhists got that right, IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:27 PM

Yup. And they both stem from ingnorance of the true nature of Life itself. They both stem from an ego that thinks it is irrevocably separate and alone...in a dangerous and probably pitiless World. If that ego conceives of a "God", then it conceives of a God as judgemental and nasty as itself...but far more powerful. That's a no-win situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:39 PM

RAPTURE HISTORY


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:54 PM

Dewey,
I have read your blog. I hope that you are sharing your ideas and conclusions with an educated and supportive clergyman. If, in fact, they are bringing you peace of mind, go on with your studies. If you are filled with fear, talk to someone. This is not ridicule but a genuine concern for your health.
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:07 PM

That is a very good concise rundown on the origin of the "secret rapture", Brucie. One of the strangest things is, quite a few people know where it comes from, but still believe it is the only true interpretation of the Bible. The whole thing really just depends on hanging bits and pieces of the Bible on a separate complex framework.
To me Dispensationalism is unique in that it has become a kind of pseudo-Christian cult that crosses many denominational lines, including groups in which the leaders and most of the clergy would never touch the stuff. You get a sad, strange situation in which if the clergy don't try to spoon feed the flock with every jot and tittle they "should" believe, a bunch of the people insist that their own leaders aren't as "spiritual" as the yahoos filling the bookshelves and airwaves with all this.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:12 PM

I hear that, frogprince. Everybody belongs to the ONE TRUE CHURCH. They gain entrance to *Heaven*--everyone else pays cash. Never ceases to amaze me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:20 PM

Yes, and such revising and re-interpreting of the Bible, and more important than that, of Jesus' own life and teachings before the New Testament was written have been happening ever since very shortly after he was crucified. This is a tangled tale of revision, censorship on top of revision, and propaganda on top of propaganda that has been spinning itself out now for about 2,000 years...mostly for the sake of empowering various churches rather than freeing human souls.

If anyone was to be termed the "AntiChrist" it would seem to me that the most powerful "Christian" churches themselves ARE the most likely candidates for the title.

As for the "end signs", there have been many successive generations of Christians who fervently believed that those end signs were being played out in the political and social events of their time. There is nothing new about that at all. EVERYBODY figures the prophecies will be fulfilled in their own historical time. Talk to someone in the 1800's, and it would be the same story, I assure you. And it would all appear to fit perfectly, as they told it.

But...each new generation figures that THEY have figured it out, and it's in their time. That figures. People just can't believe they're not living in the most important and climactic epoch of human existence....the moment when the story wraps up and has its penultimate climax.

After all, that's what they see on TV, isn't it? This has been going on for fifty or more generations, and it will be going on long after we and this forum have passed way beyond memory.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:37 PM

If you don't try to read the book of Revelation as prediction as all, there is a lot of insight in it; take a cross section of any point in history, and it looks like Revelation. The author was giving a highly (sometimes dizzyingly and confusingly) symbolic interpretation of the nature of history, not a prediction of a particular future period. There is a general sense of prediction that God, through Christ, will ultimately win out; a kind of looking at history through the eyes of the writers faith.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:42 PM

Penultimate climax? You mean there'll be another one AFTER the Apocalypse?

Revelations is comprised of the anti-social ravings of a schizophrenic hermit kipping down in a cave, high on fungus and exposure. But the Church figured it was just the ticket to scare the peepee out of the punters so they rolled it into their concoction of dogma they would call the Bible. It gets pretty hard to weed out the garden of what Jesus actually said there.

I find the Nag Hammadi find a much more interesting scripture, even as fragmented as it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:02 PM

Here re NH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:17 PM

A discussion of the book of Revelation without a discussion on the nature of apocalyptic literature is a waste of time. That would be part of what is generally known by serious students of the Book as "Form Criticism," if you want to do some homework.

People tell me that when I say that kind of thing I sound dismissive. I don't feel dismissive. I feel frustrated and worn out and sad.

But using simplistic views of Scripture to debunk Dewey's view is as useless as the way Dewey has reacted to Scripture. There may or may not be plenty to get one's panties in a wad over, but y'all ain't got there yet.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:20 PM

Lead on, WYSIWYG.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:24 PM

Uh-huh. And it might also help to read a whole shelf full of extraordinary spiritual books that were written both long before and a very long time after the Bible...and in many different traditions.

Revelation didn't just happen way back when people wore long robes and rode in chariots. It is still happening right here and now.

If I sound dismissive, too bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:57 PM

OK, brucie--

form criticism
NOUN: A method of textual criticism, applied especially to the Bible, for tracing the origin and history of certain passages through systematic study of the writings in terms of conventional literary forms, such as parables, proverbs, and love poems.

OTHER FORMS:
form critic —NOUN
form critical —ADJECTIVE



And...

My husband (our diocese's Scripture go-to guy) cites GB Caird's book The Revelation of John the Divine for a study of Revelation in light of apocalyptic literature.

But here's a short course from the Encyclopædia Britannica on the basics of apocalyptic literature:

apocalyptic literature
... literary genre that flourished from about 200 BC to about AD 200, especially in Judaism and Christianity. Written primarily to give hope to religious groups undergoing persecution or the stress of cultural upheavals, apocalypses (from the Greek apokalypsis: "revelation") describe in cryptic language, understood by believers, the sudden, dramatic intervention of God in history…


In the group we lead through theological reflections, after a brief study of "what is apocalyptic literature, and how is it mis-used in Bible study." Then we'd spend several weeks exploring how the relevant Scripture would relate to our lives now. We would not be looking to parse out end-times predictions-- we'd look at the cultural stresses we experience and observe in our OWN lives, in THIS time, and then look to see how God might already be acting in those things.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:00 AM

So essentially, don't confuse the metaphor with the reality and you might learn something?

I'll go along with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:05 AM

Cluin,

Well, metaphor in spirituality can have a mystical reality of its own, but, um, yeah, sorta. :~)

I have a really odd take on Scripture, myself. Sometimes, I think of it as an owner's manual written by the guy who designed us and made us... who knows how we actually tick better than we do, ourselves. I read the bossy parts as "ya know, trust Me, it really will work better if you do it THIS way.... I'm trying to keep you out of trouble... work with Me here, people......"

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:11 AM

That's where we'd part company, Sue. I view the Bible as something written, translated, and edited by humans. Smarter and wiser humans than me, to be sure, but also humans who lived quite a while ago and had their own axes to grind. So I take what I can use from it and look around.

So I'll probably never experience a spiritual epiphany, but I'm having a good time trying out the buffet.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: LadyJean
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:12 AM

The Anti Christ is here all right. He's living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and his name is George W. Bush!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:26 AM

Well, one can also experience spiritual epiphanies without reading the Bible, Cluin, so don't give up hope. :-)

People have done it with the Bible, the Baghavad Gita, the Koran, the Upanishads, by chanting, by experiencing a great loss, by being in Nature, by falling deeply in love, by meditating, by selfless service, by devotion, oh, and maybe 10,000 other possibilities...

For some, the Bible is the way. For some it's something else. I regard some of the Bible as directly inspired by God, some of it as partially inspired by God, and some of it as not at all. Some of it is just the Israelites yelling, "We're number 1, hey! We're number 1, hey! We're number 1, hey!" (A common thing for tribal peoples to do in their religions all over the World...)

I would agree that times of crisis for any community tend to produce apocalyptic religious viewpoints. That's natural.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Dewey
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:43 AM

At this point, (perhaps even before) anything I say is going to sound nutty to you all, so I am not going to bother, expanding on or defending anything. each of your will have to make up your minds on this subject for yourselves.

Unfortunately, most of you, have made up your mind's before you even opened this post.

The Anti-christ is here. Just saying so is not wacko, and I didn't have any premonitions about it.

The evidence is before you on your very own comupters and they are not just the wacked out conspiracy sites.

read Matt Chapter 24, Then read www.maitreya.org.

How do I know when the anti-chirst is coming in upto20 years?

Matt 24 says it, when you see these things (like at www.maitreya.org) that generation will not pass away beofre all these things on earth are fulfilled.

Then if any man shall say unto you
Lo, Here is Christ, Or There;
Believe it Not.

For there shall arise false christs
And false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders
Insomuch that if it were possible, they shall decieve the very ELECT.

(The maitreya talks about the ELECT)

Behold I have told you before

Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
Behold, he is in the desert, Go not forth
Behold, he is in the secret chambers
Believe it not.

So Likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things
know that it is near even at the door

Verily I say unto you,
THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS,
Till these things be fulfilled

Take it with grain of salt as you wish
Or Take it serious as any Bible reader/ believer would do.

Most of you have never read the bible and see it too as poppy-cock, so I don't expect to win much friends.

I am ancored in the bible and believe Christ at his word, I don't take the words of Christ I like, and those I don't and make him out to be a just a wise teacher whom I can cherry pick out only the things I wish to believe and discard the rest of text that don't agree with my opinions and lifestyle: the parts that I don't like.

Christ was NOT an ascended master, according to the Bible
Chirst was the Son of God, according to the Bible.

Christ was NOT a way to Salavation according to the Bible
Christ was the way, accordingto the Bible.

Chirst was not second in line to become Christ and Ruler of Heaven and Earth.
Christ was and is the King of Kings and Lord or Lords, One who issues Final Judgement on the EARTH

We are saved by him according to the bible,
We cannot save ourselves accordingto the bible

you guys can either believe the Bible or or choose not to believe the Bible, but either way the prophecies of Matt 24 can be found and fulfilled by comparing then to www.maitreya.

even a child in sunday school can understand this.

But few of you here have any religious upbringing capable of making you see and recognize the parallels.

Any child exposed even remotely to the bible, would recognize for himself/herself parallels ofthe prohphecies to which I speak.

You folks have hardened you hearts and minds, or perhaps you just are ingorant or non-believing of the scriptures.

They stand out like a sore thumb to any thinking christian who has even remotely read the bible.

Thanks Georgian Silver,
I m not a nut just a Chirstian who believes the Bible and follows Christ always.

This post is for fellow believer's (Christians)

You non-christians that do not like it can at least tolerate it, and if you cannot then please go away out of respect to those of us who believe.

Dewey

P.S. and please don't try to impress me by all the greathistory lessonsand your philosophy degrees. I've studied history too, and I am not ingorant either, but I do believe the bible, and Jesus ismore to me than just a wise teacher.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Boab
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 01:11 AM

Ah---NOW we know who does G.W.B.'s speeches!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Boab
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 01:12 AM

One hundred and one!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Boab
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 02:00 AM

---and LittleHawk knows The Christ [22 Feb 07.59....]


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:00 AM

Unfortunately, most of you, have made up your mind's before you even opened this post.

...............................................................................................................

The evidence is before you on your very own comupters ...................




Most of us can recognise balderdash when we see it.

Just because something has be written down and someone says it is so, doesn't make it evidence. Why you even begin to believe this sort of tosh is beyond me.


Doug C


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:12 AM

http://groups.msn.com/allforourlordjesus


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:42 AM

Dewey,

Matthew 24 has been taken at least once per century within the last 2000 years to predict the imminent future. All sorts of people have seen what to them were signs. So why should we get into any commotion about just the next generation of signseers?

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Soma
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 08:11 AM

"And on their promises of paradise you will not hear a laugh"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:34 AM

"And the small things that were lost shall be discovered, and there shall be great joy. Even unto the Son's bedroom, whereunto every stray sock had wandered without a mate.
"And in the morning there will probably be toast"

Or at least that's my reading of it. Try as I could, I just couldn't find the black helicopters, the Illuminati or the purple lizards. Next time, maybe...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:45 AM

And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment, they will not be there. At this time a friend shall lose his friends's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before ...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:49 AM

Cluin, I don't think we'd have any trouble discussing what you experience and what I experience, or any worry over it.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:52 AM

It's a Sign!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Chris Green
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:18 PM

Sorry mate, but you're delusional. Harmless, but delusional.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:19 PM

Well, I guess I'd have to say that Maitreya is no sillier than other organized religions. That includes Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity (all the silly sects, including belief in the "anti-Christ"), Islam, Jainism, Republicanism, and so forth. I won't say that God (or god) does not exist, but I don't really expect that events here among the ants and microbes are particularly important to that entity.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:49 PM

Dewey, every living human being is the Son or Daughter of God. Not just Jesus. Jesus was demonstrating exactly how a person behaves when they, like the prodigal son, actually fully BECOME the completed potential of the Son that they are, and return home.

Your labelling of him as the One and Only Son of God is your mistake, and the mistake of virtually the entire Christian community throughout history (except for an inspired few), and it is precisely that which has led you astray and caused you not to understand his teachings.

He was the FULLY REALIZED Son of God. You and I and most other people are prodigal sons who have not yet fully realized what we are. He was showing how it is done, and what happens when you do it...how you think, act, and conduct yourself.

And that is: You love God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength, and you love your neighbour as yourself...because you realize that your neighbour IS yourself. (I might add to that that you love yourself unconditionally, and your neighbour also.) You forgive everyone, no matter who they are, just as Jesus did...because "they know not what they do".

It is of absolutely no help to put Jesus aside as a unique one-of-a-kind idol and say that He and He Alone was and is the one and only Son of God. It is the direct contradiction of what he was trying so hard to teach people and show them. He was showing them how to become what he became! He said it, over and over again. He demonstrated it over and over again. He challenged them to become as he was, to do the works he did and even greater works! Read your New Testament, look for that for a change, and you will FIND it.

Stop underrating yourself and everybody else, is my advice.

(But I doubt you will believe a word of what I just said...and that's fine if so...you have your own chosen path, and it will lead you home eventually. Every prodigal son returns home in the end and is fully accepted by the Father.) I place no judgement on you, but I feel sad that Jesus could be so totally misinterpreted by those who imagine themselves to be his followers.

One doesn't have to be a Christian to follow Jesus. I know any number of non-Christians who follow Jesus. And remember, Jesus was NOT a Christian. He was not trying to create the Christian Church, as it later became. He never said, "After my passing from this World there will be a bunch of books written about me by my immediate disciples and others (such as Paul). They will be combined with the old Hebrew books (the Old Testament) and it will all be called 'the Bible'. All you will have to do to know the whole truth is read that book."

Nope, he never said one word about that! And believe me, if it was intended that the whole truth would be contained in that one book, the Bible, he would have said so!!!! For heaven's sake, instead of letting just one very old book do your thinking for you, a book which Jesus never made a peep about, why not go straight to the source himself? You can go within and do that. Just by quieting your mind and listening. It is your blind adherence to a bunch of ancient books about Jesus that is stopping you from understanding Jesus in the first place.

If you had grown up in a Muslim society, I am pretty sure you would be doing the same thing...only with the Koran...and it would result in the same thing, as an impediment to your spiritual understanding of Jesus and his mission and your own nature as a son of God.

The only reason you think the Bible is the Answer is because a few hundred previous generations of Christians passed on that rigid notion to you, and you swallowed it. That's exactly what happens to fundamentalist Muslims when they decide that the Koran is the only answer. It happens in every exclusive, egocentric, frightened religion.

And the fact is, the Koran and the Bible both contain much spiritual truth...along with much that is misleading or downright untrue...but neither one of them is the whole answer. The whole answer is found within YOU, and it requires membership in no religion whatsoever. In fact, all it requires is total love and forgiveness, practiced on a daily basis. That is what distinguishes saints from ordinary people...they choose love instead of fear. In doing so, they become fully realized Sons and Daughters of God. There are a handful of such people among a million, generally speaking. We all work toward it. Most of us won't reach it in this lifetime, but this lifetime is not all there is. It's less than 1 percent of all there is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 04:26 PM

roflmao.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 04:31 PM

GUEST....I feel sorry for you.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 04:44 PM

Anything that encourages laughter can't be all bad. :-) I would probably roll on the floor if I heard Guest's philosophies of life too...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 04:48 PM

o/k I'm offended now!

viz:- You non-christians that do not like it can at least tolerate it, and if you cannot then please go away out of respect to those of us who believe.

I am an aethiest, I had that stamped onto my tags for the 1st gulf war (I have said this before I believe in another thread - and no thankfully I was not sent!).

However I do feel that your "go away" may mean a little more than that! as you do not use strong language in your daily life.
I respect your right to believe in whatever you wish without hinderance ( JPS!).

But don't come at us guns ablazing and expect everyone to sit back and read your post without any adverse reaction.

I have not said anything to offend your I hope, even when I said that you may need help it was not to offend, Im sincerley believe that you may need to talk to someone who has the qulifications to advise you.

So please do not tar all non christian with the same brush, some of us DO support your right to believe.

Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 04:50 PM

Skipy, with your knowledge and understanding..I am not sure that I understand why you do not believe....Help me here please. Why don't you believe?
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 04:55 PM

Because it makes sense to him, Mike. He observes the World around him and draws the conclusions that make the most sense to him, but maybe not to you or me.

Skipy, I have no particular objection to your atheism. That's entirely up to you. I have no hell for you to be cast into, nor any punishment to be meted out upon you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:01 PM

But you takes your choice...and be it right or wrong you still takes it.........Study Christianity and the future and whatever you want........but come to a conclusion...whatever.
Best wishes, Mike,


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:15 PM

Hello both,
Perhaps as My father was lay preacher (methodist) when I was 7 - 14 & I had to attend church up to 10 times a week, Sunday school, services, supper evenings etc. etc. etc. I was pleased to get away from it all when I joined up aged 15, so I probably kicked back at that stage, I refused to go to church services during my 2 years training, I stood to attention outside the church at RAF Halton on many occasions. I have of course seen a lot of life since & it made me ask "If there is a God, (interestinly I used a capital "G" there out of respect for your belief)how the hell can all this shit happen"?
From the problems of Rwanda, Pol pot, a single child with a birth defect, suffering where ever you look - no for me there is nothing more than you are born, you do your best to help others & then the shit catches up with you & you die. I try to do my best, I live basically by Christian rules, they are good rule, if we all tried to live by them then this planet would be a better place. Look around you this is not happening! If there was a God I truly believe that there would have been an itervention 100s of years ago to give the race some serious direction & advice.
Then we would not have heard of Aushwitz (probably spelt wrong) or Treblinka etc. I believe in the human mind & science. Your God in your belief made the Whelk, but man made the spatula.
Pray for me if you wish & I will think good thoughts for you - to me these are ame things.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:25 PM

I can well understand your feelings on the matter, Skipy...

I was an atheist too, when I was younger, but for the opposite reason. My parents didn't go to any church or follow any religion. They believed in the same basic good morals which I expect you do.

Later I developed spiritual interests of my own, not limited to any particular religion.

As for the bad stuff in this World, God doesn't do any of it. People do it, mostly, and there are some natural events and disasters too. People do "bad" things to each other because they're scared. They have free will to do whatever they please, and no ruling God is going to take that away from them, because it wouldn't BE free will if it could be taken away.

Anyway, every bad situation is actually a grand opportunity to rise above a certain common illusion...but I think I'll just leave it at that. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:27 PM

Don't try to teach a cat to sing. It's a waste of your time and it irritates the cat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:29 PM

I said "Cat" I am going to teach you to sing...and it said ME How?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:30 PM

Schindlers list - there are some good poeple out there!
and the German heavy weight featured in a thread a few weeks ago - and millions of other!
Little Hawk "bless you in an athiest way"!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:31 PM

And have you ever considered that man may actually BE God...in an extended sense? I mean, that each human is an extension of God...but an extension that imagines itself to be alone. In that imagining, it may be entirely in error. The sense of being alone is what creates the sense of separation and fear of others. That sense of aloneness is the Ego. It lives in constant fear and sense of incompleteness. It looks to others to fill its emptiness.

Christ saw everyone AS himself...accordingly, he treated them with total kindness and forgiveness. That is exactly the sort of behaviour demonstrated by the great saints down through the ages. They look at another human, and they see God in the flesh. They see themselves in the other. Then they can only love and assist that other human being. They do not experience the fear of separation.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:34 PM

Oh LH whatever........Are you sure?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:39 PM

o/k you are not going to like this, but believe you me it is not meant to offend or belittle anyone!
I have no - that is zero belief that Jesus ever even exhisted! but as said more than once before I respect your right to believe.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:47 PM

Ah! Well, in that case I can well understand your problem with the Christian religion, Skipy. :-)

I regard the existence of Jesus much as I do the existence of Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Lao Tsu, and various other extraordinary figures of antiquity who founded great religions or spiritual philosophies...I regard it as something that is totally obvious and virtually beyond question.

Non-existent people do not inspire the rise of world-changing religions. :-) That doesn't, however, mean that everything in the Bible about Jesus is totally accurate! I'd say...hardly. They took a whole bunch of previous stuff from earlier religions (like the "virgin birth", for one) and grafted it onto his personal story after the fact. That was good marketing in those days, if you wanted converts to a new faith. It had been done before with great success, so why not do it again?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,P3ter Woodruff
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 05:58 PM

The Anti-Christ is before you! You just have to recognize HIM!

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:06 PM

Guest Skipy...You only have to read the words of "The famous and most memorable works of Josephus"...from around 35 ad to know that Jesus existed....What you have to work out for yourself is...was He God or the Son of God or just some prophet. The only way you can do that is to study.......
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:10 PM

If this discussion continues, contributers are in grave danger of disappearing up their own arseholes in a puff of smoke!

And a jolly good thing too!!...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:12 PM

Akenaton...thank you for your kind words. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:13 PM

Sorry mate, far to busy trying to live by Christian rules & trying to make the tiny differance that I can!.
P.s. am I mistaken or have you a connection with Tattersall? I was one of the founder members of the aircraft museum ther back in 72 I think.
Skipy (in a bright pink bra).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:17 PM

Tattershall...as in Tattershall Castle.....Folk singing in 2004 yes!
Best wishes. Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:19 PM

Yes, thats the place, is the museum still there?
Skipy (with a spanner)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:19 PM

Incidentaslly...It is widely believed in Christian circles that the anti-Christ IS HERE....as declared by many apostles. If this is true then we are truly in the End Times.....alleluia to that for those who are saved.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:24 PM

I think if the anti christ is here then it is one of my forklift drivers at work, but what about the museum?
Skip


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:28 PM

If the anti-Christ is here then he will charm you into his crowd.....you will believe he is wonderful....you will be misled.....so choose your path carefully my friend for fear of losing all!
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:28 PM

My mother had a friend when in her teens whose name was "Kitty Tattersall". They used to reverse the leading initials for a joke on her...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:30 PM

Well thats o/k then my forklift driver will never charm me, however you have!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:31 PM

Spoonerism.
Skipy (in a dlack bress)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:22 PM

I have read a LOT of the Bible, and my new favorite verse is Proverbs 13:3


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:30 PM

Deuteronomy 34:

5) And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said.

Ever tried to get onto that thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:54 PM

I had quite a time with lady last year who would come around and trim the sandwiches. She was the Anti-Crust.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,He who must remain nameless
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:58 PM

Winston Wellington-Jones is the AntiChrist! The world will not be safe until he is destroyed utterly.


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Subject: RE: SO, WHO IS IT?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 08:06 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 08:07 PM

Fear of losing all is a favorite slogan of the theological drumbeaters, Mike. I can tell you with great confidence that the universe does not quite work that way.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:46 PM

Yeah, it nickel-and-dimes ya to death. Might as well enjoy the ride, sez I.

The trouble with Dewey's assertions and predictions is he won't be able to say "I told you so".

Yep, when the anti-Christ comes boppin' down the boulevard, breathing fire and farting brimstone, we'll all think "Uh-oh, Should've listened to that crazy bugger on the internet... what was it he said we could do now?"

"Oh, that's right. Sweet f__k all."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Boab
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 10:42 PM

All this talk of "the anti-Christ has come among us". The anti-Christ has NEVER BEEN anywhere else but among us! He is evident in the instigators of every human conflict, large or small, in every atrocity committed either in concentration and/or death camps, in every act of cruelty in every walk of life, in war or "peace" or in the hunt for animals for "sport", or in the disdain or oppression of others.
   And, Skipy---the true God HAS intervened , many, many times in human affairs.Not, as some galoots would have humanity believe, in the matter of sending plagues, killing innocent first-born sons,turning curious ladies into pillars of salt, creating all manner of disasters in industry and nature [ not even the Florida hurricanes??!!], all by way of "punishing " sinful humanity. No---but each and every one of the catastrophes mentioned HAS resulted in the Christ becoming blazingly evident to all but the wilfully blind. The God Who is Love is most apparent the greater the suffering resulting from misfortune. And not only, mark you, human misfortune.
   Stop looking skyward for some supernatural something-or-other. No such thing exists, or is required to exist.
   The ten commandments were an admirable innovation brought before Hebrew civilisation all those eons past---even if the common-sense rules WERE embroidered with dire threats of hellfire and damnation. But they were an example of what is good among the hotch-potch of historical fact and sheer fanciful invention which fills a large part of both Hebrew scriptures and Gospels. People WANTED to believe in something supernatural, so all kinds of situations were either invented or simply imagined.
   One statement truly matters--God is Love; all else can be sorted out, with a modicum of common sense and intelligence, into gems of literary wisdom, and plain crappy mumbo-jumbo.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 11:09 PM

Beautifully stated, Boab. God constantly intervenes, through the best in each one of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 04:52 PM

If one is anti-the Anti-Christ, does it follow that that person is pro-Christ? Or vice versa?

The notion of an Anti-Christ is a fire and brimstone sermon
that is meant to scare non-believers into a kind of submission
to Christian religious ideas.

How do people know that the Anti-Christ is here now? I think it's more that it's the "belief that A-C is here without being able to offer any material proof. Maybe they have seem him in their dreams.In that case, maybe those dreams are real for the people who think he exists. "I believe, therefore I am" to misquote Des Cartes.

I wonder really, though, what the point of offering this warning is all about? Maybe it's a variant on the theme of the existence of WMD's in Iraq? Maybe it's to shock or shake people into doing something or other? Maybe it's a condemnation of others kinda' like saying "if you don't watch out, the Boogeyman will get you."

The notion has nothing whatever to do with the teachings or principles by Jesus. So what's the point?

Frank

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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Cluin
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:00 PM

Well, what about the Uncle-Christ. He gets short shrift. Not even one thread!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Curious
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 05:12 AM

Amid all this talk of the Anti-Christ, has there ever been an Anti-Buddha, an Anti-Mohammed or an Anti-Jupiter (I know about Anti-Betty through her Yorkshire puddings, but what of the others)?
And what's the connection (if any) between Satan/Lucifer and the Anti-Christ. Which one is top dog in the bad guy stakes?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Davetnova
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:09 AM

if we can get this to post 666 the Great Beast will leap from your coputer screen and devour you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 10:54 AM

Freakin' 'ell!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:04 AM

Yeah, yeah... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:09 AM

GS,

You have only to read the collected works of Robert Heinlein to know that Lazarus Long existed.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:15 AM

O black betty bamalam



Sorry. Wrong thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:32 AM

Not necessarily.
I remember ramalamadingdong. Now that was evil.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:35 AM

Bomp be be bomp be bomp be bomp bomp be be bomp be be bomp be dang a dang ding . . . blue moon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 12:46 PM

Of course i'm here. I've been here since 1987. It was only meant to be a short holiday...but then i started thinking about all the cleaning that had to be done back home in the inferno...and... well, you know how it goes. Sorry if i've inconvienienced you.

Love and jellybabies,
Satan xxx

P.S. The term anti-Christ is slightly innaccurate. I don't have a problem with Him. We play poker sometimes...the only person i'm 'anti' is Jerry Springer. We still don't know how he escaped the vats...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 12:51 PM

My theory is that the real Anti-Christ is one of three possible individuals:

1. Gargoyle
2. "Guest" (the One and Only Real Guest, I mean...)
3. Barney the Dinosaur (who has already been nominated, and may very well be IT!)

Failing that...the people who wrote and produced "The Flinstones" and/or "Three's Company". All of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,skipy
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 03:47 PM

candyman candyman candy man!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 05:45 PM

AMOS,,,,you wrote.....GS,

You have only to read the collected works of Robert Heinlein to know that Lazarus Long existed.

A
And your point is please?.
If my suggestion that proof of Jesus existence is the source through The Famous and most Memorable Works of Josephus, then it was in answer to GUEST Skipys post.
Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 05:56 PM

To assert that Jesus did not exist is a statement from either:

1. A person who hasn't really looked very far into the subject.

And/or...

2. An indication of a strong emotional need in that person to believe that Jesus did not exist...said need based mainly on a hostility toward either Christianity...or all organized religion. :-)

It's an emotional statement, not a rational one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:04 PM

Methinks I'm with Boab (along about 23 Feb 05 - 10:42 PM) on this one.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:08 PM

I'm serious! The Anti-Crhist is here now in the form of GWB.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:10 PM

My point is that a book describing someone's past existence does not yield knowing of that past existence as fact, even if it serves to induce belief in such existence.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:15 PM

Geoge does'nt know it yet! He is the Anti-Chrrist


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:30 PM

I Do not like what you are doing to us. I think with free speach that You are insane and you mean me and others harm. I speak with free speach guarranteed by the Constitution! You Must Be Impeached! I think you will not last long as our President!

Peter Woodruff


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 07:16 PM

We can Battle him. We can fight him verbally. He is so stupid!

Peter Woodruff


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:36 PM

I can't begin to read this whole thread. But the first ten or twelve posts are enough to tell me that the premise of all this is being stated in a language other than one I recognize or can understand at all. I am not a Christian---but what is this anti-christ? Just a simple explanation of where from, why, how, where and whatever?

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:37 PM

It's different things, in different people's opinion. In the past, some have taken it to mean:

Imperial Rome (the first real nominee for the AntiChrist)

Emperor Nero

The Holy Roman Church

The Protestant Church

Martin Luther

The Pope

Stalin

Hitler

George W. Bush

the USA

Maitreya

and so on...and so on...just find out who a certain group of people are most prejudiced against and fearful of at any given time in history...and there is there (if not your) AntiChrist. :-)

It's a reflection of people's fear, is what it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 05:28 AM

As a secular humanist I can quite happily agree that on the evidence we have - Josephus et al - it's highly likely that Jesus did exist. As did Buddha, Mohammed etc. It's just the divine malarkey I find hard to swallow. And as for an Anti-Christ...puhlease.
It's rather worrying when so many people base so much on the selective reading of a bunch of haphazardly-collated texts written and rewritten over millennia by a series of axe-grinding zealots with an eye to their current political problems.
If the Bible really is the work of God he must have been seriously indulging in illicit chemicals when he dictated it!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 10:33 AM

Gervase:

Wait a minute -- CHEMICALS? Almighty Yaweh, Creator of All, Manufacturer of the very Light and very Dark, Mover on the Deep and Namer of Man? You think such a being would be effected by CHEMICALS?

Well..it would explain a few things!

Has anyone ever figured out a way to make a metric for the "trippiness" (T) of a situation?

'Cuz this planet has a really high T index, man.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 11:15 AM

So, finding the "antichrist"/scapegoat seems to be a convenient way to go to war against those other people in the name of Jesus---or Islam or Bush or Japan or Hitler--or the Crow tribe if you are a Sioux, or the Sioux tribe if you are a Crow. That is how I read what you are saying. It's the same old rationale. And so many innocent people, again and again and again, get caught up and killed in the conflagration/holocaust/gihad/whatever. Is that it? Seems so from here.

As always, very sad.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 11:31 AM

When Bush believes he is guided by God and convinces nearly half of the voting public to believe him, I would say that he is the anti-Christ. Pity those who are so fearful and full of hate that they would put their faith in such a human being.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 11:32 AM

That's about the size of it, Art. And you know what people really fear? They fear themselves. They fear their own inner darkness, but they see it reflected in someone else, and they may then call that someone else the AntiChrist.

There is no one else. The enemy we fear is ourselves. Always. One must forgive oneself and forgive others in order to defuse the fear. To forgive another IS to forgive self. And so it goes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM

Little Hawk -

I do not see myself reflected in Bush and I do not forgive him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 12:02 PM

I didn't think you would. :-) Fine with me. You are not me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 12:04 PM

I can easily forgive Bush. That doesn't mean I will stop criticizing his crazy policies.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 12:48 PM

There are four reasons for why we believe:

We believe what we're TOLD to believe
We believe what we WISH to believe
We believe what we're AFRAID to believe
There's one more that I forget

And of course, there's this radical new set of ideas that suggest we should limit our beliefs to what we can prove by the methods of this thing called 'science'

Where's the fun of that?

I commend you to the words of Lerner and Loewe from Camelot's "Fie On Goodness":

"Confession Sunday is a bore
Derry Down, Derry Down

I want to spend a tortured evening, staring at the floor -
Guilty and ALIVE once more!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 01:42 PM

Art,

Usually, religious people who refer to "The Anti-Christ" are referring to a specific, prophesied character who, it is thought, will come to worldwide popularity and be mistaken for the returned Christ. It's also thought to be one of the "signs" that the real Christ's return is "imminent." But... if you correct all of that "imminency" for some sense of the immensity of God's time, you get back to Jesus' own words that we cannot know the hour of his coming-- the idea being, be ready at all times. Sort of like some people would say, "Live today as tho you might die tomorrow."

When non-religious use the term, I think they usually mean whatever they think of as the opposite to whatever they think Christ is. I think a lot of people assume it means Satan himself.... from the posts in this thread I think the ideas have about what the term means, are all over the map.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 01:43 PM

How do you figure to scientifically prove your love or your self-knowledge, robomatic? You can know it, but you can't prove it.

EVERYONE believes things proven to them by direct, actual physical experience and observation. That's dead simple, and that is what science does...in a very complicated and specifically measured fashion. Fine. Got no problem with that. :-) It's as easy as 1,2,3.

But to limit one's beliefs to ONLY what one can prove by the methods of this thing called 'science' would be the action of a robot or a very simple animal...not a complex human being with a developed mind and consciousness.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:20 PM

LOLOL....speaking of the origins of Evil


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,robomatic
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:26 PM

LH:

My observation was meant to be more rueful than determinative.

I disagree that you can always prove something to someone via logic and observation. Remember that great and very true line about none so blind as those who WILL not see none so deaf as those who WILL not here.

Never forget there were folks who refused to look through Galileo's telescope.

As to having to prove everything that you know, that would take a lot of time and the sun's gonna come up tomorrow and find you doing -

what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:29 PM

I'm not saying you can prove it to someone else...just to yourself. Other people are notoriously resistant to proof, I find. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:40 PM

difficult?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: gnu
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 03:02 PM

Bill D... blueie no work.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 03:10 PM

hmmm...worked for me...I wonder if it is playing from a cache on MY machine now?
I went here and looked ½ way down the page at "November 12, 2002 - "Don't mince words, Bones. What do you really think?" - [William Shatner]

it 'might' be protected from direct linking...you can usually beat this by copying the link and pasting into the browser.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 07:20 AM

"Has anyone ever figured out a way to make a metric for the "trippiness" (T) of a situation?"

There is a scale of sorts, ranging from a level one trip (general feelings of 'strangeness') to a level five (total detachment from reality) with seeing sounds, hearing colours, and having an overwhelming desire to Sara Lee double chocolate gateu somewhere in between.

I don't think Bush is the antichrist. Isn't the antichrist supposed to come in a pleasing form? Beware the peacemaker, or something...oh f**k, it's Kerry. Never trusted him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: John O'L
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 07:53 AM

Is "Santa" an anagram of "Satan"?

Or have I got it upside-down?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 06:47 PM

sshhhhhhh! don't tell Dewey!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 06:56 PM

AGAIN? I though it left the building. What the hell's goin' on here?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 07:00 PM

(couldn't let the 'Santa' remark pass...sorry...I'll be good)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 07:15 PM

SEE THIS THREAD


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 07:54 PM

Seriously, though...life's too short to worry about the antichrist coming. Just live your life, be nice to people, be happy...and then when judgement day comes you can stick your middle finger up at satan as you ascend...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 08:10 PM

One feels constrained to add to this thread If Only to say


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 08:10 PM

200 !!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 08:45 PM

I decided that if God send up sending me to hell, He will have a good reason and a plan in it that is actually good for me. I never worried about it especially, for myself or anyone else, but I did think Jesus would come down there and get people out if they landed there, so this is really just an extension of that. I trust Him wherever I may find myself, with a good measure of curiosity.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 10:36 PM

Good way of looking at it, Susan. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 10:50 PM

Especially if I could SPELL "ends up sending me." :~)

I bet we can't go to hell for bad pruefreeding. Hey that would make a GREAT list: things we don't go to hell for... or die of embarrassment over, etc.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:01 AM

I have to say I used to envy those with faith - those like my staunchly Catholic grandfather for whom it offered a comfort that bore him through many trials in life.
But reading of all the worries about the Anti-Christ, who's saved and who isn't - and the unending torments that some believe await those who aren't - I'm jolly glad I'm no longer superstitious.
For me Herbert Read summed it all up nicely:
"The death of each of us is in the order of things: it follows life as surely as night follows day. We can take The Tree of Life as a symbol. The human race is the trunk and branches of this tree, and individual men and women are the leaves, which appear one season, flourish for a summer, and then die. I too am a leaf of this tree and one day I shall be torn off by a storm, or simply decay and fall - and become part of the earth about its roots.
But, while I live, I am conscious of the tree's flowing sap and steadfast strength. Deep down in my consciousness is the consciousness of a collective life, a life of which I am a part, and to which I make a minute - but unique - contribution. When I die and fall the tree remains, nourished to some small degree by my manifestation of life. Millions of leaves have preceded me and millions will follow me: but the tree itself grows and endures."

No god, no devil, no worries mate - just do your best while you're here and try to make the world a better place. And if you have faith, jolly good luck to you, but try not to make a big song and dance about it, and certainly don't use it as a stick to beat others.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 06:35 PM

Well said!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 06:36 PM

Bien dit!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 06:37 PM

Not only that Gervase, you got a lot more time on weekends for something useful.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Angiemac
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:55 PM

Well, Ive read(almost) all of this thread and.......phew! Think I need to talk to a professional now.But Amos, the 'high T index made me laugh so it was worth the eye strain. Love, light and peace to you all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:59 PM

Chongo is taking clients, Angiemac. He works for bananas. Give him a call.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Angiemac
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 04:18 PM

Hehe. Dammit, I used the last of the bananas to prop open my drooping eyelids........think he'd settle for a coupla polo mints and some suspect looking pocket fluff?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: skipy
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 04:52 PM

Gervase, Very, Very well said!
Regards Skipy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 05:28 PM

The Flag Of The Anti Christ


http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/antiflag1.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: skipy
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 05:57 PM

O/K - google this one:-

anti christ proof

If you have read the posts above you will know my feelings on this subject, I only offer the above google for you to look at, not to make ANY statement at all!
Read it, see what you think, if this thread was about to die I think it may have just got more breath.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 08:51 PM

Uh-huh. Well, there's a lot to chew on at that link, isn't there? My goodness...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST, Don
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 09:54 PM

Dear,Dewey you are a 100% right...about the Anti-Christ.
Dewey Jesus Christ is on His way.....But not just yet the
World u and I live in has to Go Right out of Control before
that to happen.MY PRAYER FOR U Dewey is Get ready or be ready.
PRAY AND KEEP WATCH......Dewey.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:11 PM

The Anti-Christ is the most negative and vicious potential hiding in each of us, waiting to be expressed. The Christ is the most positive and loving potential hiding in each of us, waiting to be expressed.

And, yes, of course they are here right now. They have always been here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,GUEST, Whatevs
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:27 PM

Dewey's rant?

It's not about Christianity; it's about psychotic process.

Dewey could be a Chevy guy from Detroit railing in the same way that Ford is the AntiCar. If you engage in the content, you'll miss the process Dewey's revealing.

Christians are hammers seeing everything as a nail.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: John O'L
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:31 PM

Don's rant is the sort of thing that could make a believer out of S'tan himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:36 PM

Satan, technically speaking, would have to BE a believer (in God), John, just not a willingly cooperative or obedient one.... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:27 PM

You guys realize the thread's just been refreshed after running out of steam over a year ago, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: John O'L
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:40 PM

LH, pedanticism is unbecoming
Jeri,      "             "             "


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:43 PM

It was a question. Defensiveness is unbecoming.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:56 PM

It was a joke. Defensiveness is unbecoming. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: John O'L
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:14 AM

What have I become?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: John O'L
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:15 AM

The Antichrist?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:39 AM

oh Lord, is it that time of year already? What it is about burgeoning spring that also brings out the burgeoning crazies?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:50 PM

Morticia...why do you think it's the others who are crazies?... No offence meant. I guess we all try to make judgements based on our own personal frameworks but is it such a good idea?
Interesting that this thread should be resurrected...I wonder why?
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:35 PM

Georgiansilver, I have no wish to debate religion with you in any way, shape or form, no offence intended.

Go back and take a hard look at the post that reawakened this thead. If it wasn't written by someone several sandwiches short of a picnic I will eat my psychology degree.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:38 PM

In of all places, last weeks Sopranos episode featured a character played by Hal Holbrook who dealt with this issue in a sublime manner.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 02:41 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/rocky_bushwinkle.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 02:48 PM

Al Franken said it well. The Anti-Christ is "Marvin Hamlisch."

Some think it's Barry Manilow.

Any votes for Brittany Speares?

Or could .....Satan be.......Pat Robertson?

Someone ought to take a poll.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 03:48 PM

Morticia, I'm sure you are a knowledgable person but your psychology degree has not given you the right to comment on the author of this threads' sanity. Whether the writing is true or not is speculation but there may be a small or large amount of truth in what is said. Time will tell. I believe that each of us here has the right to make comments without being either ridiculed or judged. We were all thrust into this world in the same manner and are all trying desperately to make our way with our own ideas of what success is and what life is all about. The authors idea may be different to yours as yours may be different to mine etc.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:31 PM

I wasn't talking about the author, I was talking about the person who resurrected it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:50 PM

In case you still aren't clear:

Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST, Don - PM
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 09:54 PM

Dear,Dewey you are a 100% right...about the Anti-Christ.
Dewey Jesus Christ is on His way.....But not just yet the
World u and I live in has to Go Right out of Control before
that to happen.MY PRAYER FOR U Dewey is Get ready or be ready.
PRAY AND KEEP WATCH......Dewey.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Whatevs
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:24 PM

...several sandwiches short of a picnic is right.
Several books short of a gospel are the religious debaters here.
Dewey is mentally ill, folks, and needs help.
I think it's interesting that the theology becomes discussed when a mentally ill poster writes about things "Christian". Everyone rushes to shore up their religiosity, and very few comment on the elephant in the room.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:31 PM

The anti-Christ is Kenny Chesney.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:34 PM

Not so! The Anti-Christ is my dachshund. He is ruthless, larcenous, dishonest, and intends to take over the World.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: number 6
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:43 PM

I think you should be more of a responible dog owner LH and tell him he is full of shit .... and develop a better attitude.

Leave some of those 7th day adventist rags around for him to read. That might help ... or at least he can pee on them.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:46 PM

I have passed on some handy Jehovah's Witness literature to him, but it has done no good. You are quite right that he's full of shit, and it's all over the backyard too.

Seriously, this dog would make Hitler look unambitious. He craves absolute POWER! And he wants it NOW. I think I can detect teeny little horns preparing to sprout from his forehead any time soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: number 6
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:52 PM

LOL ... your fault for getting a Tuetonic Dog LH ... another bit of advice .. try not playing Wagner too much.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 12:01 AM

You are so right. No Wagner! It drives him wild.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Dewey
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 01:43 AM

I enjoyed being the elephant last year. As far as all the crazy religious rantings, Can I prove them? Were they all logical? Of course not!

Was I sincere about what I discovered, both online and through hours of personal metaphysical experiences, concerning the cosmic creative force (INFINITE INTELLIGNETS)? For the record, I wish to say YES. not just yes, but EMPATHICALLY yes!!! IT IS REAL.

When I mastered the 13 priinciples: Desire, faith, autosuggestion, organized planning, specialized knowledge, decision, imagination, persistance, the mastermind (the telepathic center on the universe) sex transmtutation (which is really sex energy brain stimulation of the cerebral cortex), the subconscious mind, the brain, the 6th sense. I aquired an all knowing omnipotent, God-like, timeless presense, that linked me up to every other organization power in the universe and every other mind both physical and pyschical for that matter, beyond the universe. Telepathy became possible.

How did I know it was telepathy? I began writing and paragraphing words and concepts I neither knew the meaning or spelling of, yet they were on the subject of metaphysics.

I even began writing on divination, not knowing what the concept even was at the time, and yet nailing it all to the T, Whileat the same time ranting and raving in opposing Christian theories on Mudcatat the same time.

Did I spend hours doing this for your entertainment? hardly! My automatic writing was leading me one way, and my upbringing was pushing me another, That too was a sincere reality and not for your entertainment.

At this point, I read Hill's second book: Grow Rich with Peace of Mind, He mentions the greatwhite brotherhood (highly developed spirit guides from beyond the earth plane, that guide mankind, intellectually and psychically.

Since the knowledge I was getting was so compelling to the subject of metaphysics, and being I still did not know what,"energy charge particles meant," or what outer crcles of the infinite ether were referring to." I became totally amazed when I found this very subject online, and wreote so profusely about it, not having knowanything about this craft. I thenseriously began wondering, "could something or someone be out there beyond the physical plane, helping me or guiding me" it sounding crazy to me too, but yet it was still happening, without my desire or participation.

I than began to learn and truly wonder about the existance of THE or A "Great White Brotherhood, that secretly governs the spiritual and worldly affairs of mankind" I still don't know if they are real in the physical sense of existance. But they were real in my writings, and were proven to me by the direction of the content and the speficicity of the knowledge which was surprising more different and knowledgable than anything than was within my own fram of experience, both in my head and in my life's experience. (i.e. this wasn't my doings or my work)


I also I began seeing people in remote places talking to each other in my dreams, I would even later come to them and repeat verbatum what they had said to someone else.

There is an organization called the Great White Brotherhood, which a very respected author mentions. Nobody can prove whether they are real or not. But the success Guru Napolean Hill (a 33rd degree Freemason) inspired to write the Philosophy of Success under Andrew Carnegie (who by the way gave him 20 years of research in formaulating the philosophy) Mentions these spirit beings as the authors the true authors and helpers of the successbehind his philosophy.

If you blow me off and consider me a nut, just remember, The author and all of his endorsors were millionaires, billionaires, and world leaders. Who anybody would recognize.

Then when I studied the philosophy closer I recognized that all of these same people gave money to Lucis Trust (once lucifer publishing) Lucifer of course in the bible is described as a fallen angel, to which many consider him, part and parcel to the devil himself)

Lucis means light bearer. The organization is supprted be Free Masons, which close to half serve in the U.S. congress. Lucis Trust also talks about the coming of, "the Christ: also known as the World teacher"

Well the Bible says that, the False Christ, will set up a one world government, to bring false peace and world domination. So naturally I became worried when I begain learing about the ascened masters, and the master of master, which the New age movement describes as the Christ.

So I went the Mudcat, venting that I have been channeling as Ascended Master. These masters are like Masons and seek comeing to more "light" And lucifer is the lightbearer. So I became very fearful of what I was doing and wnat I might be channeling and dropped the idea 100% out of this new revelation.

In the Ascended Masters philosphy, the master of masters, is also known as, the Christ. and the coming of Christ consciouness deals with ascending into this light and joining up with the heart of God on the non-physical spiritual plane.

I feared that if I continued to channel these pyschic revelations on the phyisical plane I would become posessed by the devil.

I you think all this stuff is crazy just remember, I had no desire for any of this, as my experience, and slightly cocky chrisitian attitude will show. Once I saw the direction it was all going, and compared it with my own mathcing experiences. I dropped the subject all together.

I may never know what all the secret society stuff is about, because what I found out from my own experiences and connections and through various unfolding research was not pleasant.

for those of you who would laugh at the book please realize that is had been read and followed to a T by Billionaires, in that time as well as to the present.

Everyone, that is anyone in the power structure of this world has read and implemented, "think and grow rich" So before ya'll go write me off as crazy, go study the list and power structures, behind the book. You'll find the words, Vandbilt, Rockafeller, Carnegie, Ford, and most any prominant Free Mason.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 02:19 AM

I also see the Crown chakra when I wake and when I sleep. the Crown Chakra is the highest one on the spiritual plane and signifies and omnipotent connection to the devine. I have never seen any other chakra, but these spinning wheels of light are real and show pyschic energy emerging from the spine and brain. Anyway this stuff is real. but I don't want something or someone esle intruding into my body or mind on a molecular level.

Sounds nutty doesn't it. I would agree with you!!! But ironically its still real though I might never been able to convince any of you, unless you to are subject to the experience.

Do I tell other people about this? mainly no. Just on mudcat, for my sanity and to vent. After all, no one hear knows me personally, so what have I got to lose.

If you met me personally you who find that I am quite normal. I gave up metaphysics not because I did not feel connected to God (I most certainly did) But it all scared me. the fimiliarness and the pecular help and intelligents I would in perfect time and synchronicity beyond myself and my life's experience. it became almost too good to be true and almost too scarey to desire long term.

The author Napolean Hill who had my same experience, also gave up the practice due to fear of long term consequences. You can read about that in "Think and Grow Rich" if you care to. And get a jist of why I came to you folks on mudcat to vent on this bizarre subject.

God Bless, reguardless of your beliefs!

Sincerely,

Dewey (the nut)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 03:05 AM

I am somewhat familiar with a great deal of what you are speaking of, Dewey, and I find it very interesting. I hasten to add I have not experienced these things, but I've read a lot about them, and I know some people who have experienced some of what you speak of (such as crown chakra consciously opening, etc), so it's not unusual to me hearing about it.

What have you concluded from all this, and what do you intend to do about it?

I tried reading the Napoleon Hill book, but it didn't really appeal to me because so much of it was about "succeeding" in the world in regards to career, money, etc, and that is something I just don't care about much for some reason. It just doesn't interest me enough to bother. What interests me is transmuting consciousness.

Too bad you're not a member now, I would PM you instead. I do not want to argue and bicker on the forum with skeptics about this stuff.

Or are you a member still?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 05:45 AM

I don't know what to conclude. LH! I'm still all mixed up. I know one thing for certain. We are NOT ALONE!

There is a grid, we are all tapped into it. We are all spirits infinitely, and a bodies finitely, these two processes intermingle playing one off the other infinitely in the linear, time generated plane of existance, time really does not exist other than in the fact that we agree to it.

the world, ourselves included, is one big brain grid, one giant conscious energy, a thinking breathing doing, and unified brain, interactive on many timeless trajectories for our, and its, benefit. That's all there is to everything spiritual and physical and it is ever expanding.

For example, I can think and project a thought, cast it out of mind, and the infinite sling shoots it directly into the future, at that particluar moment it was thought of, it does this instantanouesly crossing the time grid. (Sometime years into the future at that particular second). Of course I will not remember anything of what was recorded by the infinite, ever again. but the infinite will, at the time I executed the action into the cosmic grid, yet maybe five years down the road, and at the appropriate time, based on an event, the infinte will figurative tap me on the shoulders and say, "Here's the thing you had in your mind 5 years ago, here also is some on the other stuff you were thinking of 2 years ago that now relates, plus additional information you are forming now, and also thoughts you are having at this moment which to are being expressed and shoot into the future, maybe to be revealed in year six when you need it. in the meantime here is some other non-local information that your are recieving from other sources around the globe, words you don't know. places you've never been, faces you are now seeing in you third eye, conversations etc. use them all becasue they are collective unified expreiences that are feeding off yours and other peoples consciousness for the devine benefit of the forgoing conclusion based on your need.

Ask and it shall be GIVEN unto you, Seek and ye SHALL FIND, knock and it WILL be opening UNTO (unfolding through the channels of time and space)

Your heavenly father KNOWS you have NEED (desire) of these things BEFORE you even ASK.

FAITH is the guidance program that gets the ball rolling. Sufficient UNTO the DAY (time projection by the infinite) is the power there of.

As far as trasmuting consciousness, unfortunely, that is always based on goals, reguardless. God is a positive thinker, Also he is also a busy beaver.

The whole universe is buzzing with creation, there is much more going on than just peace and love, in order for consciousness to come into form, it has to be created, in order for it to be created it has to be positive, in order for it to work and effect things it also has to be moving. Thus the concept of applied faith, luck, good karma. etc. What ever you sow you reap, but you still have to sow to reap. So is it also with consciousness.

I'll registered, for the sake of getting off the cat and perhaps PMing you LH! I'm pretty much all universed out over the course of this last year,

The more you use consciousness toward a purpose, the stronger it gets, the stronger it expands, and the more power it gives you, your brain power and your future trajectory in life's ebbing path. I'm not as psychic as I was last year mainly because I don't use it anymore, and no longer get the benefit.

Tragic? maybe? But I have stopped hearing all the little voices. Manly P. Hall, 33rd degree mason, had to keep a light on in his room to keep spiritual energy from torturing him in his sleep. The spirit side grew bigger :-)

There is a Luciferian group you might want to check out LH. They talk about everything I talk about. Everything! But dangit. why do they always have to get that doggone Lucifier involved :-) I'd still be doing this stuff, if it didn't always end with lucifer.

Luciferian's talk about hearing "chimes of great music" upon the physcial apearance of an ascended master in the room. Napolean Hill talked ascended masters appearing to him and also hearing this same great music. :-)

Consciousness has brought me much peace and wonderful experiences, but the outcome seems to consistently point in another direction.


Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Kweku
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 06:16 AM

white is black and black is white


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 06:43 AM

Quarcoo..it is possible to get treatment for some aspects of colour blindness. Hope you succeed. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Kweku
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 08:14 AM

George- my reference to colour is figurative. Eg.Alice in wonderland.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 11:59 PM

If you want to see the anti-Christ at work, look at war, multinationals and the starvation of millions. Just look.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 03:30 AM

Th anti-Christ is actually the character referred to in the Book of Revelation and although subject to satans influence is not actually satan. There are obviously quite a few comments on this thread which use satan as the pivotal character for the anti-Christ. Not so folks. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 08:56 AM

Oh dear, it does look like being a very meagre picnic!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Amos
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 09:48 AM

Harvey was actually only 5 foot eleven and one-quarter-inches tall. Those who insist he was six feet tall are just misinformed, or are actually intentionally spreading misinformation for covert purposes of their own. They should face the facts.

This means that despite all testimonials and literature to the contrary, there never was a six-foot-tall invisible rabbit.

Sorry if this pops anyone's bubble. But them's the facts, man.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 10:43 AM

"This means that despite all testimonials and literature to the contrary, there never was a six-foot-tall invisible rabbit."

Of course not. It was measured in cubits.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Kweku
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 12:33 PM

it simply points to the fact that society is constantly being mislead but no finds the courage to stand up and fight. reminds me of the the emperor wears no cloth.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 12:36 PM

Ah, well, they don't really know who to fight against, you see...

That's partly why there's a lot of road rage and domestic violence.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Kweku
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 12:46 PM

personally I think they are aware but they donot think it is possible that such men and women of high calibre could be so wicked. who would believe that a priest could rape a kid? but it is happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 01:30 PM

Well, but if you go flailing off at whoever you think is responsible for this or that, the likelihood is considerable that you will just end up hurting other people who are as innocent as yourself. That's what happened in the French Revolution, and it happens in every revolution.

It's too complicated, and no one can understand it all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: frogprince
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 03:10 PM

For Georgiansilver, and others who choose to believe that the Bible predicts an "end time" period in literal detail: I may well be foolish for even going into this; but, just in case it may help to clarify the thinking of any one person out there, I'll run thru this.
    Just for the sake of this discussion, I am speaking in the context of understanding the Bible as the literal and authoritative Word of God. (I spent at least 20 years studying on that basis).

    Only one (or two) authors included in the Bible ever used the actual term "anti-christ", depending on whether the books "I John" and "II John" were by the same writer.
    If one school of interpretation of scripture is correct, the anti-christ appears as a character in Revelation. The entire context in Revelation is so extremely symbolic (a third of the stars falling to earth without destroying it, Christ appearing in the form of an animal, etc., etc.,) that taking any one detail of Revelation literally without additional basis is purely arbitrary.
    Only in I and II John are the references in non-symbolic context. There the plain sense of the writer's words seems (to many of us) to be a correction of the notion that we should expect a single, future, anti-christ. He recognized that "anti-christ" embodies spiritual forces, and individuals, that were present when he wrote, and which could be expected to appear throughout history.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 05:24 PM

As the parables of Jesus were symbolic, so to a large degree is the description of the anti-Christ. That does not make any of the words in the description less powerful.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 05:27 PM

If we accept that Christ symbolized 'good', then the anit-Christ symbolizes 'bad'. And sure as there's little green apples, there is one helluva lotta bad in this world right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Kweku
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 04:00 AM

I agree with you Peace.

LH- what in your opinion is the right way forward? do we wait for calamity to strike, or fold our arms for the law of karma to deal with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Cordinell
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 09:23 PM

Georgiansilver.....the anti christ will be possessed by satan.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 10:18 PM

Quarco - Each human being must find "the right way forward" for himself or herself. I can't tell you what it is. We can only each do the best we can do, within our own understanding.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Anon. for obvious reasons
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 06:40 AM

Dewey, I have a friend who went through a phase (and still occasionally does) of believing the kinds of things you are proposing. He is currently receiving psychiatric care. It is part of his condition that anyone who disagrees is either just plain wrong or he thinks they really DO 'know', but are afraid to say. In other words, his illogical quasi-religious beliefs of impending doom have their own built-in defense mechanism and logical/reason cannot penetrate it. For this reason I think this message, if read, will have no effect. But please consider this. I really do think you need help. There *are* some awful things happening in the world, Dewey, but *we* did that all by ourselves, without the aid of some supernatural conspiracy. My best wishes to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 06:50 AM

The Anti-Christ Is Here Now ? I think that's a bit rough on Flam, Ted !


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 12:52 AM

Well said, Anon - as easy as it is to take the piss our of some of the more bizarre aspects of the evangelical happy-clappies on this thread, it does look as though Dewey's head has been in some sort of car crash and he really does need help (and most definitely not from any preacher or religious loon who will merely reinforce his delusions).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: GUEST,Willis
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 02:55 AM

And what if evrything Dewey is saying is true? Where does that leave you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:10 AM

In a South Park episode?

Seriously, if people use religion as an excuse to hate, scorn, abuse, belittle, 'lord it over' people, commit crimes or immoral acts, or just do bad things, either those people have found the wrong religion or the religion has found the wrong followers. I think we here on earth would be better off making more of an effort to get along and less trying to find differences or reasons to be offended.

These are wedges that drive us farther apart and make us, as a species, weaker. I am not religious. If I were and if I believed pure evil existed, I think it would be busy promoting hatred and disdain and making people think they were better than other people. I think it might just call the Star of David 'Satanic', or encourage people to focus their fanaticism on harming other groups or individuals. I think it might be racist or sexist or most discriminatory 'ists'. I think true evil might try to make people believe they were privvy to secret information or a member of some more-holy, more-blessed elite that should go around spouting 'truths' to the unfortunate stupid people they've been placed above, whom they should never, ever see as equals.

This all may sound a bit harsh, and I don't think it really applies to the opening post, which is just strange. It applies more to other attempts I've seen here to impart The Truth.

True good is likely trying to influence people to see themselves in others, respect them, try to learn, and maybe just live well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Gervase
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 02:56 PM

You know, I'm going to take a little bet that it's not true. And if it is, I'll be the one giving away millions on the street corner and eating every kind of hat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:44 PM

What is here now is a destructive Fundamentalist view of theology embracing the Manichean notions of an Anti-Christ that threatens the rational world and will lead to more war.

Unfortuantely this view has permeated (poisoned the well) of our US government undermining democracy and the First Amendment. I recommend everyone read Kevin Phillip's "American Theocracy" for a lucid understanding of this issue.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: The Anti-Christ Is Here Now!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 04:51 PM

We had a woman visit for dinner last night - her professional name is "Sherry Souldance," and she's a professional Intuitive. No comment on that.

Anyhow, her view is that the Anti-Christ is not an individual, but that it could be the convergence of George W. Bush and the Islamic Fundamentalists, since both of them seem to want to hasten the end of the words so they can achieve salvation.

Ms. Souldance always sees the dark side of things and frequently brings predictions of doom when she visits us. Her take on this one does have a ring of credibility, however. Nonetheless, I think the sun will rise tomorrow.

-Joe Offer in Northern California, where everyone is a bit Strange-


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