Sing song banned

Subject: Sing song banned
From: Chris Amos
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:45 AM

If you put power in the hands of the wrong people this is what happens - Morecambe Today

Chris

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:57 AM

It's an article about music, so it's certainly worth posting. We prohibit lengthy copy-paste posts only on non-music topics.
-Joe Offer-

End of the Pier show?

EVERY Monday afternoon, senior citizens from all over the north of England gather at the Pier Hotel in Morecambe for an Old Time Music Hall sing-song.

16 February 2005

Source: Morecambe Today, http://www.morecambetoday.co.uk

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Posted by Shambles here (click), so I deleted my copy.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:11 AM

Thanks Chris

Joe - I thought the same - so I had already pasted it in the following thread.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=51867&messages=93

Please don't now delete either of them?

However I was not aware - nor I suspect is anyone else that 'we' now allow music related copy-pastes. Perhaps you can announce this change?

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That's always been the case, Shambles, and it's stated that way in the FAQ. Music copy-pastes are encouraged, although we do ask that people indicate where they obtained all copy-paste information. Information often disappears from the Internet, and links die - so we want to preserve pertinent music information here. Non-music copy-pastes should be covered by a summary and a link if they fill more than one screen.
But no, there's no reason for the same article to be posted twice at Mudcat. Your post will preserve the article just fine. I'll delete mine.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:25 AM

This country gets dafter by the minute! It's no wonder 280,000 people emigrated from England last year.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 10:21 AM

I have visions of my great grandchildren saying 'sing us one of the old songs, Granny?' and Limpit having to tell them she doesn't know any because singing was banned by Emperor Blair in 2008.....

LTS

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:04 PM

On either side of the "pond", stupid, petty, self-important little local bureacrats can be a royal pain.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:31 PM

(Not only has this been the policy (music-pastes), it's been TOLD to Shambles several times, in BOLD TYPE.)

~S~

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: PoppaGator
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:04 PM

Can we agree now that we Americans are not the only ones guilty of having voted COMPLETE A**HOLES into public office?

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: GUEST,Big Mal
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:22 PM

I object to our leaders being referred to as A**holes, A**holes are useful, B&B are not

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: EagleWing
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:08 PM

"Can we agree now that we Americans are not the only ones guilty of having voted COMPLETE A**HOLES into public office?"

Certainly not!! In the US you elect A**holes. Here in the UK we elect A**eholes.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: MuddleC
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 03:07 PM

Well I think they should all be put under house arrest for terrorising Morecombe in this way, and those 'speakeasy' gambling joints or 'Bingo Clubs' should be closed down... these senior hooligans should be taught better behaviour by their parents... they are obviously responsible for the increase in gum crime... that Miss Marple should get some Community Support Officers to help her.....

God/Allah/Little green Men preserve us from our Govt.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: Peace
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 08:20 PM

"Certainly not!! In the US you elect A**holes. Here in the UK we elect A**eholes."

A rose by any other name . . . .

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: PennyBlack
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:30 PM

We thought the "Two in a Bar" rule was dead?

and a "Music License" was Free when applied for with the new pub License - They might have work to do for the stage/trips etc but that's the same whether it's a brass band, choir or a solo organist.

PB

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:46 PM

Mr. Blair is an A**Half. It would take two of him to make an A**Hole.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 06:29 AM

We thought the "Two in a Bar" rule was dead?

The Premises Licence can now be applied for (as from February 2005) but the current legislation does not die until November 2005.

You may have thought however that in this tranistion period, local authorities would have acted sensibly. But if they had ever acted sensibly - there would have been no need to change the law to try and make them.

In this case - if the music hall carried just on (and applied for entertainment permission with their new Premises Licence) - any prosecution would be very unlikely. And as there is no real safety issue - it is in nobody's interest to prevent this activity.

There may be a few of this regular audience thet may qualify for legal aid. They could make a case for their right of freedom of expression being prevented by the Council - when there were no grounds to do so.....

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 08:04 AM

'And it all makes work for the lawyerman to do'.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 08:11 AM

I am hearing that Des O'Connor ( on the TV show Des and Mel) has offered to pay for the PEL.

Subject: RE: Sing song banned
From: Chris Amos
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 08:37 AM

If I had known that it would cause this much trouble I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I was just intending to highlight the confusion that exists around live music legislation in this country and that much of it is left to the interpretation of individual bureaucrats.

Chris