Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,JT
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 04:20 PM

I'm embarassed - I mis-typed the above. It's clearly "Where oat and wheat together rise".

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,JT
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 04:17 PM

Listening closely to Mimi's version, she clearly sings "Where oak and wheat together rise", and in the last verse it's "The oak lies on the ground" (not quite as clear, but it's there).

I"m guessing that's the way Richard wrote it.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,Denny's changes
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 07:20 AM

For the two versions side by side, see https://mainlynorfolk.info/sandy.denny/songs/quietjoysofbrotherhood.html

Sadly, Denny removes the lovely string of "W"s - When and Where - and changes "The rainbow sign, the blended flood" to "The rainbow sign, the blended flower". which makes no sense.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,Eliezer Pennywhistler
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 07:04 AM

No, Sandy Denny did not set the poem to music. Richard Farina did. He set his poem to the tune of the Irish air "My Lagan Love".

His wife Mimi sang it on the album "Memories" before Denny was out of high school.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,Ar Kay
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:12 AM

Vanguard waffled for a year or two in deciding whether to release a Mimi Fariña solo album, or a Richard Fariña tribute album. They began recording a Mimi album with her back-up band of the time, The Only Alternative and his Other Possibilities. For whatever reason, this project was abandoned, and in their Fall 1968 catalog Vanguard advertised a forthcoming Richard Fariña album. What finally appeared was Memories, a collection of assorted leftovers with two of the Mimi solo tracks. Despite the seemingly hodge-podge format, all the material is great, worthy of standing beside the first two albums the Fariñas made. There were few notes to explain the date or origin of any of the songs, so I will do my best to provide some explanation in blue alongside what was printed on the album:

Richard & Mimi Fariña accompanying themselves on dulcimer and guitar
Assisted by various instrumentalists, with two songs sung by Joan Baez.

Side One:

1. THE QUIET JOYS OF BROTHERHOOD 4:17
R. Fariña; Ryerson Music Publish / BMI
with orchestra arranged and conducted by Peter Schickele A Mimi solo track. Richard borrowed the melody from "My Lagan Love," a modal tune from Ulster, Northern Ireland.

2. JOY 'ROUND MY BRAIN 3:47
R. Fariña; Witmark Music / ASCAP
with Russ Savakus, bass; Bruce Langhorne, guitar; Charles Small, piano; Al Rogers, drums; John Hammond, harmonica
Probably recorded during the Reflections in a Crystal Wind sessions, considering the presence of John Hammond. The song was had been issued as the B-side of single "Pack Up Your Sorrows" in 1966, but the version here is slightly different.

3. LEMONADE LADY 2:02
R. Fariña; Ryerson Music Publish / BMI
with Bruce Langhorne, guitar; Russ Savakus, bass
A work song or field holler that Fariña had also recorded during the sessions for the Dick Fariña & Eric Von Schmidt LP, though it wasn't used on that album. This version is a leftover track from Celebrations.

4. DOWNTOWN (Instrumental) 1:34
R. Fariña; Witmark Music / ASCAP
Sounds like Richard reworking his solo "Tuileries" and experimenting with some Wild slide-guitar-style riffs, with Mimi joining in for some driving bass grooves. Todd Everett suggests that Mimi borrowed from Bill Justis' 1957 instrumental "Raunchy."

5. ALMOND JOY 2:12
R. Fariña; Witmark Music / ASCAP
with Russ Savakus, bass; Charles Small, piano; Bruce Langhorne, guitar
Probably dating back to the Celebrations for a Grey Day sessions. Great, catchy track!

6. BLOOD RED ROSES 2:30
R. Fariña; Warner Bros.-7 Arts / ASCAP
A traditional sea shanty with only minor changes in the lyrics. This is the only a capella the Fariñas ever released. Or did they plan to add music? We'll never know.

7. MORGAN THE PIRATE 5:38
R. Fariña; Warner Bros.-7 Arts / ASCAP
with ensemble led by Grady Martin
The other Mimi solo track. This is one of the most hard-driving songs in the Fariña catalog, swamped with four or five blistering electric guitars on top of Richard's most caustic lyrics, perhaps written in response to Dylan's single, "Positively 4th Street," released shortly after his electric concert at Newport '65. It was an ad hominem attack whose target was unknown but widely speculated. Hajdu lists as likely targets Fariña, Tom Paxton, Peter Yarrow (the MC at Newport), and Irwin Silber (who had publicly protested Dylan's departure from political songwriting).

SIDE TWO:
8. DOPICO; CELEBRATION FOR A GREY DAY (Instrumental) 6:40
R. Fariña; Witmark Music / ASCAP
with Bruce Langhorne, guitar; Fritz Richmond, washtub bass
(recorded at the Newport Folk Festival, 1965)
This medley, performed at the Saturday night "New Folks" concert, was foolishly left off The Complete Vanguard Recordings, which includes the Friday afternoon Dulcimer Workshop version. The notes on Memories should probably credit Bruce Langhorne with tambourine, not guitar.

9. HOUSE UN-AMERICAN BLUES ACTIVITY DREAM 3:50
R. Fariña; Witmark Music / ASCAP
with Bruce Langhorne, guitar; Fritz Richmond, washtub bass; Kyle Garahan, mouth harp
(recorded at the Newport Folk Festival, 1965)
Again, this is different from the version on Complete Vanguard Recordings. The one here is probably from the Saturday night concert; while the one on Complete, with just Richard and Mimi, is probably from the Friday afternoon Songwriting Workshop.

10. A SWALLOW SONG 6:25
R. Fariña; Witmark Music / ASCAP
JOAN BAEZ, with instrumental group; produced by Richard Fariña
Salvaged from the pop album Joan was making with Richard as producer. This was released as a single and dedicated to her brother-in-law.

11. ALL THE WORLD HAS GONE BY 3:41
Music by Joan Baez; words by Richard Fariña & Kim Chappell; Ryerson Music Publ. / BMI
JOAN BAEZ, with instrumental group; produced by Richard Fariña The B-side of Joan's "Swallow Song" single. This has a somewhat complicated history; see note below.

12. PACK UP YOUR SORROWS 3:00
Pauline Marden and Richard Fariña; Ryerson Music Publ., BMI
with Russ Savakus, bass; Charles Small, piano; Bruce Langhorne, guitar; Al Rogers, drums An alternate version re-recorded with the full backing band from Reflections. Richard's vocals are brighter and more confident on this version. There was also a single version released in 1966, slightly different from this one.

Joan and Mimi are sisters.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: pavane
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 04:10 PM

Oak would make more sense, being felled when man ploughs the tide? To build ships.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Les from Hull
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 04:57 PM

Presumably Richard Farina wrote these words for the tune of 'Lagan Love' rather than found the tune would fit his words. The words 'love is lord of all' is a quote from Lagan Love.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM

I can't say what Farina originally wrote but the lyrics to this can be found in any number of places on the net and I have looked at several including those at a Sandy Denny site and the phrase used in each instance was "oak and weed".

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:27 PM

Where oat and wheat together rise

I understand that to be "oak and weed", not "oat and wheat".
The point of it has to do with unspoiled nature at that point, not agriculture. "Oak and weed" make much better sense.

I couldn't tell you authoritatively what Richard Farina's original poem said, though.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: pavane
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:22 PM

Yes, I mistyped the title, it says JOYS.
And I SWEAR (sorry Joe) that Sandy sings OAKS not OATS. I can hear the K sound both times.

On the CD I have, it is described as Trad Arr Farina / Denny.
So I suppose his estate never received the composer's royalties?

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 05:03 AM

Well, heck, Stewie, there are all sorts of strange instrument sounds on the recording, and I can't identify many of them. The CD does identify the song as a solo recording by Mimi - it does not say when the recording was made or whether Richard was involved in the recording. Here's what it says about the album:

Originally released in 1968, Memories is a grab-bag of outtakes from earlier sessions, two recordings from the Newport tapes, and two songs from an album Richard had been producing for his sister-in-law.

Thanks for being a stickler for detail and precision - it brought out some interesting information.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Stewie
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 02:33 AM

Joe, if Richard is on the track you transcribed, there is something strange about the reissue of 'Memories' in the complete Vanguard recordings box set. The track therein is a Mimi solo.

--Stewie.

Subject: ADD: The Quiet Joys of Brotherhood
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 02:02 AM

The song has been posted before, by Jeri here (click), and by Uncle Dave Oesterreich here (click). Maybe they transcribed from the Sandy Denny recording, because I hear a few differences. This is what I hear from the Memories album by Mimi Baez Fariña and Richard Fariña, released in 1968. Richard died in a motorcycle crash on April 30, 1966 - Mimi's twenty-first birtday.

Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood
(Richard Farina)

Where gentle tides go rolling by
Along the salt sea strand,
The colors blend and roll as one
Together in the sand.
And often do the winds entwine
To send their distant call;
The quiet joys of brotherhood,
And love is lord of all.

Where oat and wheat together rise
Along the common ground,
The mare and stallion, light and dark
Have thunder in their sound.
The rainbow sign, the blended flood
Still have my heart enthralled;
The quiet joy of brotherhood,
And love is lord of all.

But men have come to plough the tide,
The oak lies on the ground.
I hear their fires in the field,
They drive the stallion down.
The roses bleed, both light and dark;
The winds do seldom call.
The running sands recall the time
When love was lord of all.

Hey - on the recording, Richard and Mimi were accompanied by an orchestra conducted by Peter Schickele (aka P.D.Q. Bach).

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Arkie
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 09:41 PM

A minor thing but in the interest of accuracy is the title The Quiet Joy or Joys of Brotherhood. I thought on my Farina lp it was Quiet Joys of Brotherhood, but the lp is buried in boxes in my garage. The references I've seen on the net also call it joys of brotherhood.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Stewie
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 07:01 PM

The one on 'Memories' was a Mimi vocal solo backed by an ensemble arranged by Peter Schickele. The notes to the complete Vanguard recordings box set indicate Schickele in those days recorded 'classical music parodies for Vanguard under the name P.D.Q. Bach'.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 02:17 PM

Unfortunately, haven't heard the Farina's version of this yet. Sandy's version has some gorgeous harmonies though. It's a beautiful song with great lyrics.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: pavane
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 01:25 PM

Thanks everyone. I didn't think the words sounded Trad.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: GUEST,TomNelligan
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 07:28 PM

The adaptation of Richard Farina's lyrics to the tune of "My Lagan Love" was done by Mr. Farina himself, not by Sandy Denny. The original version can be found on the Richard & Mimi Farina "Memories" album, which was released a year or two after Richard's untimely death in 1966. Sandy did a very nice job of covering it, but the song predates her arrangement.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Peace
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 05:02 PM

Oh, my GAWD . . . .

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 05:02 PM

"When love was lord of all"

So, when was that again? Musta been when I was out of town...

Heh

I'll have to see if I can eMule up a copy and give it a listen....

ta fer the link Brucie!

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 05:00 PM

11...   #10 is Catch The Wind! LOL

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Peace
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 04:56 PM

It's #10 down.

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 04:53 PM

Lyrics???

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 03:38 PM

No, it's not trad, or at least not the text. It's a poem, written by a poet named Richard Farina, and set to music by Sandy Denny. The tune is basically trad, being the ssame as or close to My Lagan Love

This is a truly wonderful song. I love to sing it, but I don't find many occasions where it would be appropriate, at least for me in my repertoire.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: Peace
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 03:38 PM

'Seeger: I made a whole record album for Columbia called God Bless the Grass. It's one of my better ones. All the songs are strictly ecological, like "Sailing up My Dirty Stream," "The Quiet Joy of Brotherhood," and so on. It's out of print now. More recently, the Clearwater organization put out two records. The People are Scratching All Over the Street and The Greater Things in the World. And I wrote some new verses to "Garbage."'

The above is from a google of

"The quiet joy of brotherhood", history, song

Place to start I guess.

BM

Subject: Origins: The quiet joy of brotherhood
From: pavane
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 03:24 PM

Just found Sandy Denny's version of this, and can't find anything here. Says Trad on the CD - does anyone have any info on origins?