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History - BBC's 'Singing Together'

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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,rosiet
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 03:01 PM

We are the masters of all the sky
Out into space let our rockets fly!

As you come nearer, into our orbit,
Earthmen invaders, prepare to die!


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: IanC
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 12:16 PM

Thanks Kevin ... that's the earliest I've seen yet!

:-)


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 12:04 PM

I've still got a copy of a Singing Together booklet from the summer term 1947. "Broadcasts to Schools - provided by the BBC for the Central Council for Schools Broadcasting.

Contents:

"I saw three ships a-sailing" - welsh folk-song (St Athan) arranged and translated by Grace Williams
"The Jolly Carter" - folk-song from Suffolk, collected and arranged by E.J.Moeran
"Soldier Soldier" - Appalachian folk-song, collected and arranged by Cecil J.Sharp
"Ca' the ewes" - lowland Scots traditional melody, words by Robert Burns
"Whip Jamboree" - Somerset folk-song, collected and arranged by Cecil J. Sharp
"Silver and Gold" - music by Schubert, English words by Albert G.Latham
"Meg Merrilies" - music by Robin Milford, words by John Keats
"The Drummer Boy" - French folk-song, arranged and translated by Herbert Wiseman, English version by John Wishart
"Lord Willoughby" - Tudor ballad
"Contentment" - music by Mozart, English words by Rev.J Troutbeck
"Annie Laurie" - Lowland Scots traditional song
"Dear Lord and Father" - music by Hubert Parry, words by J.G.Whittier
"The Mocking Bird" - Appalachian song, collected by Cecil Sharp, piano accompaniment by Imogen Holst
"My Johnny was a shoemaker" - English traditional song from Northumberland
"Annie the Miller's Daughter" - Slovak folk-song fro the collection of Jan Malat. English paraphrase by Anna Mathewson
"Dance Song" - Portuguese folk-song, collected and arranged by Rodney Gallop
"The Feng-Yang Drum" - Chinese folk-song, collected by Dr Tz-Zeung Koo, and arranged by Reginald Redman. English words by Irene Gass
"The cockle gatherer" - Hebridean folk-song, arranged by M.Kennedy Fraser
"The Musician" - French folk-song, words paraphrased by John Horton
"My Horses Ain't Hungry" - Kentucky song, collected and arranged by John Jacob Niles

And all for sixpence, words and music.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Jim Ritchie
Date: 22 Mar 09 - 12:40 PM

I was quite excited to find these posts mentioning Music Workshop. I used the programmes quite a lot and kept personal copies of most of the earlier ones I worked on. I have also made scans of many of the booklets, teachers' books and acting scripts that went along with them. These are in pdf format if anyone wants them. I would love to get my hands on mp3 copies of the actual radio programmes. jim.ritchie1@ntlworld.com


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Scott
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 10:00 PM

Hi, I notice you say you have recordings of various Singing Togethers and Music Workshops. I still work as a music teacher in primaries and would be hugely keen to acquire copies if at all possible of some of these broadcasts, especially Music Makers - The Park Keeper. I've got a few radio programmes from the 80s (you've probably got most of them) and lots of schools TV programmes from the 70s and 80s, especially programmes like Music Time. Any chance of contacting me at scott.petrie@libertysurf.co.uk
so we could work something out. If anyone else can help with these types of radio programmes from the 80s, I'd really appreciate if you could get in touch too. Many thanks in advance


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,drivers
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 06:24 AM

I only remember Time and Tune, and I don't have any of the books, but the Martians taking a stand were definitely Zartians

Calling all Zartians to take a stand
Earthmen invaders approach our land
Up and attack before they draw near us
We are all set and our spaceships manned

I have a wonderful memory for ancient things!


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 06:21 AM

You're right about playing down to children and they are worse off because of it. They say it's 'progress' and 'people have greater expectations' but kids have lost connectivity with nature, the land and culture! This is why the world of tradional music, song and dance is so vital.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,jorra
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 10:24 PM

I have just stumbled across this thread. What a treat. We were listening to a record of Vaughan Williams' "The Bees" and I said..doesn't this remind you of..what was that music in schools program called that we all had in the primary school? I dredged in my memory and came up with "Mr. Appleby at the piano". Then I had to Google it to see whether there was anything about the BBC's schools music programs. And bingo..there you all are, with my memories! We both remember..the radio on a high shelf above the teacher's desk in the corner at the front of the room. The pamphlets. I remember a bunch of the songs still...and sometimes the songs from new-to-me folk bands rekindle memories. "Soldier Soldier won't you marry me?" "The Mermaid". SOmething about a valley. I now realise that many of those songs were censored...the verses about Polly's apron hanging down low, or Polly finally giving in to the soldier's charms and going into the sentry box and wrapping herself in his cloak, and then...and then the 9 month consequences...all deleted! But I remember enjoying these lessons hugely. I didn't even mind the Music and Movement in the gym. I try not to be a crusty middle aged grump, but I do wonder whether we play down to children a bit these days. We did Maypole dances for May Day and we all did the plaiting...in the INFANTS' school. I have pictures! 1955. East Sussex. I remember learning the Valeta, and the Sir Roger De Coverley, and looking back I think how on earth did the teachers get all of us to do that. We had over 40 to a class, as well. And I don't remember noise in the Singing Together classes, until we were older. I think that my sense of the importance of these is heightened because we have lived in the US for over 20 years, and we raised our two children here...quite bereft of this casually acquired background of shared songs and harmonies. (Americans don't even sing nursery rhymes that aren't commercial.) I can go to the piano and bang out a tune to sound like any of the styles of English folksongs, and I'm sure it's because our neurones ended up being hardwired to Pretty Polly going for a soldier to meet her love, or The Ash Grove, while our children are primed for jazz chords and rock. One last thing. What was the lady's name who did the Music and Movement? Irene something? Ilene?


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Midzone
Date: 06 Mar 09 - 12:01 PM

Hi

Sorry for not being around for a few weeks bit of a manic month or so.

The sorting of my old broadcasts continues and is certainly work in progress - I've managed to find several bundles of pamphlets and teachers notes from various music broadcast from over the years - so Don I will have a closer look for the Piano Score for Cinderella.

As for Pimlico Drudge - haven't come across any of those broadcasts 'yet' but never say never :)

Still on the look out for Singing Together broadcasts from across the years particularly the seventies and early eighties.

If you can help please email me direct - midzone1@sky.com


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:25 PM

I've just seen a post way back in Jan 08 by Vic Smith with some of the issues we are missing. Vic, if you are there, please PM me if you still have them.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:21 PM

Over at folkinfo we have "Twankydillo", "Lisa llan" and "Old Farmer Buck", Gerry. We have now put up all the issues we have, though there are still the earliest and latest issues missing. See the Singing Together Master Index for what we have. All additions welcome.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Scott
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:05 PM

Hi Penny, about the script for an Odd Odyssey, I contacted Peter Hutchings on several occasions and he was delighted to help! Im sure he would have the script for it. I know he also has copies of the final broadcast of most, if not all,of the Music Workshop and Music Makers progs on tape. he has made copies for me several times!

Scott


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Gerry Ogilvie
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 06:57 AM

Does anyone remember "Twanky Dillo" ? or "Lisa Llan" (a welsh folk song) I always thought I would love to meet Lisa Llan as she seemed a lovely gentle girl and beautiful too.
And remember "Old Farmer Buck" .........does anyone have any favourites ?


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,John
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 05:28 AM

Hi Steve,
I would be extremely interested in hearing Pimlico Drudge again. I don't suppose anybody out there has the illustrated music book - I'd be prepared to pay a fair price.
Regards,
John Campbell

johncampbell50@ymail.com


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: Penny S.
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 01:42 PM

John - our family have a copy of the Daily Express book which we have had time out of mind. Odd, since no-one in the family was of an Express reading type. We later acquired a copy of the News Chronicle similar book. There are subtle differences. I might analyse them sometime. One that sticks in my mind is that the NC has more spirituals, and the DE more plantation songs in inappropriate "dialect".

Midzone - do you by any chance have the final performance version of the Odd Odyssey? I thought I had squirrelled it away from the throwers outers at school, but it has gone. I tried to get a script from the Beeb, but they have regarded these things as ephemeral, and not worth keeping. They were so clever that it seems a great shame for them to be lost.

Penny


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,donQ
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 01:18 PM

Hi GuestMidzone,

Don't know if you will get this message, but I am trying to get a copy of the music from the Music Workshop programme Cinderella from 1986. Our school was hoping to do the play.

Hoping you or someone can help.

Thanks,

don


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: Weasel
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 07:10 PM

Reading through the posts I spotted a reference to the cantata Robin Ddu.

If I remember correctly, the lyrics to this (and to a lot of other songs in the series) were written by Emlyn Edwards who was a lecturer at Bretton Hall College at the time.

He was an interesting chap who, it is said, disappeared from college one day, never to be seen there again. Stories of his lectures are legion and who knows, some of them may be true.

As a student I re-set one of the songs from Robin Ddu which began "My home is in a valley green".

I remember Em telling us the tale of how moved he had been when visiting a school in some industrial area on hearing a class singing this particular song (not my version I should add).

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: Midzone
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 06:43 PM

I did some sorting through boxes in the loft the other day and managed to find all 10 broadcasts of Will Wanderers Win - I might upload something for Rachel over the weekend :)

I also found a copies of two Singing Together Broadcasts in full they are:

Spring Term 1977 - Request Programme featuring performances of:

Streets of Laredo
Leaving of Liverpool
I Wander
Kitty of Coleraine
Cosher Bailey
Pay Me My Money Down


Summer Term 1979 - Request Programme featuring performances of:

La Pique
The Crocodile
Pretty Penya

To name but a few!

I am interested in increasing the Singing Together broadcasts I have so if you have from the seventies or early eighties in particular please let me know - willing to swap/copy material.


Steve


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 04:29 PM

Rachel Have you searched digitrad for will wanderers and for the songs you mentioned above?

For your own protection, you really shouldn't post your email anywhere publicly, even on Mudcat.

Better to join the Mudcat. Then you can PM members your email if they need to share stuff with you. And you can track your questions and the replies.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 04:16 PM

I too remember so many of the 'Will Wanderers Win?' songs!! ("Saturday afternoons we go to the game..."etc!) and even have the percussion parts in my head. They must have been so catchy to last in memory for this long eh? The other one I can recite nearly all of was the waxworks one - 'Kings and Things'. Also remember doing 'Mrs Noah's Missing' and 'The Magic Tinderbox'.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 05:45 PM

Please post a reply to rachel.maddock72@yahoo.com, thanks so much


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 05:42 PM

Sorry my e-mail address is rachel.maddock72@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 05:39 PM

I would love to get hold of a copy of "Will Wanderers win?" if this is the same one I'm thinking of, I did it at school. some of the songs I remember were: The Manager's Lament, the Saboteurs Song. Lyrics to one of them went " ihave studied many a year, in great circumstances drear, and the secrets of the mystic east are mine" "how they work I've no idea, but they do that much is clear, pay attention and my method I'll outline" I have not seen this book since I was about ten or eleven years old, 1982 or 1983ish, but the lyrics and melody will stick in my mind forever, it drives me mad that I often get these songs in my head, but don't seem to have any reference point up until seeing this on the internet. Please put me out of my misery and till me I'm not imagining this! I also remember "The Bearded Bride" and "Sir Spence and a Dragon Called Horace"

Thank you
Rachel


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:31 AM

Unfortunately Snuffy, nowadays some of the renditions to be heard at matches are certainly not the material to be aired here. It`s such a shame when innocent activities go the way of much we see about us. Public vulgarity, coarseness, insulting and derogatory language.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:29 AM

The Daily Express also sponsored the 'Empire Day' festival in Hyde Park. You'd see Sir Edward Elgar or Sir Malcolm Sargent conducting the massed bands of the Coldstream, Irish and Welsh Guards whilst the people sang "genuine folk-songs, sea shanties, hymns, music-hall songs, American minstrel songs, anything with a catchy tune and simple chorus."

It all went pear-shaped in 1932 when thousands gate-crashed the event and it had to be cancelled. It was never resurrected.

Apparently, some of the football ground singing was recorded on vinyl.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: Snuffy
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 05:19 AM

I remember the community singing at the Cup Final - "the next song is number 16 on your Daily Express songsheet." They must have given one out to everybody as they entered.

It lasted into the 60s I think but people by then wanted to do their own thing and it succumbed to the D-I-Y efforts like Spurs go marching on and E-I-Addio


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM

The singing of 'Abide with Me' on FA Cup Final day is an echo from the past.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:34 PM

Thankyou John. One sensed there was SOMETHING - some popularising agent.

Something between the gypsy's singing songs in caravans to the Hammonds, and Ewan and Bert lloyd and the skiffle cellars.

A sort of cultural Piltdown man of folksong - something I and my family could relate to. because god knows my parents couldn't get a handle on folksong as it appeared in the 1960's - particularly the folksong of their own country.

the disocciation of sensibility suffered by the English from their own folksongs, which for example Show of hands write about in their song, Roots - must have some sensible explanantion. And you don't hear much attempt to understand the phenomenon on Mudcat - only sneering at the majority of the population, who find that they are more sympatico with Americanana.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 11:27 AM

I found ,in a Norwich bookshop, a copy of "The Daily Express" Community Songbook published in 1927. Rather than try to explain it let me give you the foreword.

    "On the night of November 20th, 1926 ten thousand people assembled in the Albert Hall to launch "The Daily Express Community Singing Movement.
    There were a few minutes of shyness and timidity. Then suddenly, the spirit of song took complete command of the enormous audience. The chorus of "John Peel" swelled and volleyed round the great hall, and in that moment was born the astounding social movement that has since swept over the country like a prairie fire.
    The story of delight and inspiration of Community Singing flashed from suburb to suburb, from town to town. Wireless had already brought the cheeriness and friendliness of it all to millions of listeners who caught the infection as they sat at their receiving sets.
    From north, south, east and west there poured in requests that other centres should be given the opportunity of enjoying at first hand the wonderful thing that London had so successfully inaugurated.
      It was not a question of capturing communities, they had capitulated joyously and eagerly. Within a month the people of the Midlands were singing as they had never sung before. Wales, with her traditional genius for song, both found and gave inspiration in full measure. Northern cities and southern towns joined in the movement with irresistible enthusiasm.
    Then came another and more dramatic development. The packed grounds of famous football clubswere turned into gigantic concert centres. Twenty, thirty, forty, fifty thousand men and women provided unforgettable spectacles as they stood in wintry sunshine or biting wind to sing sea shanties, old well known choruses and the National Anthem.
    Villages and hamlets began to organise their own Community Singing. Churches, clubs, instsitutes, workshops, schools - practically every place where men and women gather - joined in.
      Three months saw Great Britain turned into a land of song, and the whole country in the grip of a new force the social consequence of which, even now, are incalculable."

The book contains in excess of 200 songs, trad., shanties, childrens songs, etc., every one relevant to the Mudcat site.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 09:48 AM

Never done this before, so

* 100 *


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 09:38 AM

Just found a copy of Autumn 1961 on a second-hand book stall. Cost me 50p!

Saucy Sailor
Dashing Away with the Smoothing Iron
Fisherman's Night Song
This Old Man
Aiken Drum
The Fox and the Hare (Icelandic song)
On This Day (Welsh song)
The Holly and the Ivy
The Holy Son
Down in yon Forest
Wassail Song
Rejoice and Be Merry


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Nymeria
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 05:49 PM

For the person looking for Time and Tune 'Twigwidge'. It's for sale on Ebay at the moment.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 11:53 AM

But wasn't there another male presenter, besides Jonathan Cohen? My children would probably remember.

I think these schools music programmes have had quite a formative influence on their audience, down the decades.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Midzone
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 05:27 PM

Music Time - Ah Yes!

Originally Presented in black and white by Ian Humphris and Mari Griffith.

Then Kathryn Harries and Peter Coombe took over around 1977 in colour.

In the 80's Jonathon Cohen and Helen Speirs were the hosts.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 05:04 PM

Guest "Midzone", the really iconic schools' music programme from the mid 1980s was on television - "Music Time". the one with the listening gnome, and Jonathan Cohen and I can't remember the other male and the female presenter. Do have or remember any of those?

Singing Together? Hey-day for me was round about spring term 1962 ("Boney was a warrior", "The Golden Vanity", and "Robin Adair")!


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:31 PM

A Friday treat! Some Singing Together Memories for you from across the years.

Something from the master William Appleby - then a touch of Casey Jones, The Wreck of the Sloop John B, Waltzing Matilda and The Yellow Rose of Texas.

Apologies for the audio quality - the bit rate for uploading was heavily compressed - all snippets apart from William Appleby are taken from my own collection of broadcasts where the quality is still excellent after all the years :)

Link below - just copy and paste into browser.

http://w1.uploadmb.com/dw.php?id=1221771042&/Singing Together Trip (2).mp3


Steve


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Midzone
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:53 AM

I've managed to sort through my collection of radio broadcasts from my teaching days - I have the following:

I have ALL Singing Together Broadcasts from Autumn Term 1984 to Summer 1991.

I also have separate Singing Together Broadcasts from:

Spring Term 1977 –Programme 20 (Requests)

Autumn Term 1983 – Broadcast 9 - featuring Tinga Layo

Spring 1983 – Broadcasts 19 & 20 - Featuring Casey Jones

Summer 1984 – Broadcast 24 - Featuring Jamaica Farewell

In addition I have the following:

All Time and Tune Broadcasts from Autumn Term 1984 – Summer 1991

The Song Tree – All Broadcasts from Autumn 1984 – Summer 1988

Music Workshop:

1981 – Will Wanderers Win? – All 10 Broadcasts
1989 – The Enchanted Horse – All 6 Broadcasts
1987 – The Man in the White Hat – All 6 Broadcasts
1989 – Aladdin – All 10 Broadcasts
1989 – Pimlico Drudge – Various Broadcasts
1986 – Pipers Mountain – All 10 Broadcasts
1987 – Up the Beanstalk – All 10 Broadcasts
1988 – Bowter Merryweather – Various Broadcasts
1986 – An Odd Odyssey – Various Broadcasts
1986 – Cinderella – All 10 Broadcasts
1985 – Ol Brer Rabbit Again – Various Broadcasts


Music Makers:

Rumpelstiltskin – All 10 Broadcasts
Pedro's Revenge – All 10 Broadcasts
The Saga of Erik Nobeard – All 10 Broadcasts
The Horrors – All 10 Broadcasts
The Park Keeper – Various Broadcasts

I also have various other snippets of programmes including Music Workshop – Return to BadlyDreamt

Various Broadcast of Country Dancing.

The majority of the broadcasts are still in excellent quality.

I was thinking of uploading some snippets to a website - would anyone be interested in hearing some of the old broadcasts?


Steve


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:41 PM

Looking for BBC Schools Time and Tune Twigwidge programmes. Aut 1974
Can anyone help?
email magiscot666@aol.com

Thank you
Scott


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Charles Cooke
Date: 09 May 08 - 05:12 AM

i was a primary school, pupil in Doncaster in the 1960s+ and listened to Singing Together at 11.00 on   Monday morning. i loved it. My elder brother was for a time in the choir that recorded the programmes and i joined a spin off "The Danensian Choir" as soon as i was old enough. The Choir was formed by William "Pip" Appleby, who was Doncaster Schools Music Co-ordinator and Organist at the Parish Church. I knew him well and grew up in the Choir to be one of his "Elder and betters". he retired in about 1971 and died not long afterwards. i still have a little thank you present he gave me for looking after younger boys in the choir on one of our trips to Ely cathedral.
An earlier poster on this thread, Ralph Bacon, who was also in the recording Choir, was my Form master at the Grammar School.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Peter Adamson
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 04:03 AM

Can anyone here tell me when Schubert's song 'A Son of the Muses' (in English) appeared in Singing Together? I was quite entranced by the dramatic key modulations between E major and A flat major.

I know that it was some time during the school year 1956-1957, but I'd like to know which term it was.

As an aside, my father (George Adamson) illustrated one of these booklets (?1959, I think).


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,flotsamsky
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 07:21 AM

I remember "Old Zip Coon". Times were certainly different then..I have an old 78 c.1916 of Harry C. Brown singing the same tune but with words that I can't repeat here.
Aunt Hessie's White Horse was in Rhythm and Melody I think and was included as an example of syncopation (much was made of this). I think the words may have gone SOMETHING like this:

Can't you see Aunt Hessie's White Horse
Aunt Hessie's White Horse
Aunt Hessie's White Horse
Why don't you ride Aunt Hessie's White Horse
And gee up a trot for me.
Don't you call him slow
Aunt Hessie will make him go
He'll gallop along so fine
He'll make the whole world mine.

Oh..(once more with feeling).

and from Time and Tune

I'm from our village, our village
I'm my father's son (bis)

Over there three houses fine
When I've bought them they'll be mine

I'm from our village, our village
I'm my father's son.

(Time and Tune was for the youngest listeners who might have had trouble reading the word "rhythm")

I also remember Patapan which I was forced to whistle in front of the class.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Nymeria
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 05:30 PM

Dear Scott (Blunt)
Thanks for your reply which I've only just got around to reading.
It's given me more to go on now :)


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,fogie
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 06:15 AM

I remember I think from about 1958 - it was more important than I gave it credit for - anyone remember -as I do vividly
A lawyer he rode out one day all for to take his pleasure
Strawberry Fair
In Amsterdam there lived a maid (I vaguely remember the teacher trying to play the words down)
The mermaid ( and 3x round went our gallant ship)

It would be on my list of books to buy if the BBC brought out a collection. Do you remember the drawings that accompanied the words?


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Ralph Bacon MBE
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 01:26 PM

I sang in the choir that performed for the Singing Together broadcasts. In 1947 as a Doncaster Grammar boy of 13, I took part in a pilot recording to see how the programe would be received in schools. From about 1949 three out of 4 programmes were live form London. The odd one was recorded in Leeds on a Saturday afternoon in order that William, Appleby could go into a school on the following Monday morning in order to observe reaction.A special choir,the Danensian Singers made up of girls from Doncaster High School and boys from DGS, sang in all these recordings. I left in 1951 but on my return to teaching in Doncaster in 1957 I was in a second group, the New Danensian Singers, mainly made up of teachers and their wives or husbands plus a doctor and solicitor. The same pattern of monthly recordings followed but they were then done in the Library of DGS. On many occassions they were joined by a choir of boys from the school.
Another of the producers was Gordon Langford but I cannot remember the names of any others.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,scott blunt
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 10:18 PM

Dear Nymeria, you asked about a song starting with 'when the crscent moon....' Its called the Strange Little People and its from the Time and Tune cantata called Robin Ddu.
I have loads of Time and Tune, Singing Together, Music Workshop pamphlets and some recordings too ( I sang on the programmes), is there anyone who has recordings of Time and Tune, Singing Together, from 1971-1986? Im also looking for 1974 Twigwidge pamphlets and recordings, can anyone help please?
Scott


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Jan 08 - 09:52 AM

When my family moved to England when I was ten, my first teacher was Doris Irene Ball - later to become my mother-in-law and as fine a woman as you could ever hope to meet.
She was a fine singer and pianist and she used the Singing Together booklets in her music lessons though I don't remember listening to the programmes. Mind you, such was her musicality that she would not have needed them.

She was an inspired teacher of many things, music in particular, and I am sure that she helped to fire my life-long passion for traditional song. Her husband, Ernie, later in life, made a hard binding of the Singing Together booklets that were still hanging around their house. As far as I remember, they were in the piano stool. This has now been passed on to Tina and I. They seem to be rather earlier than a lot of the ones mentioned in this thread and on the folkinfo website

The ones in the binding are
Summer 54
Spring 56
Autumn 56
Spring 57
Summer 57
Autumn 57
Spring 58
Summer 58


I suppose I'll have to get on to folkinfo with the contents of these as they don't seem to have them listed


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Les Hutch
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:23 AM

Does anyone have any recollection of a late 70's possibly early 80's "Singing Together" with a song titled "Squeaker and Coe" I think it was about two squirells? Any further info would be very welcome.

Regards to all on this most excellent discussion...oh, the memories


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Ann-Marie
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 05:51 PM

Guest Jan - I have just been reading the thread about Singing Together, and saw your posting about the Swiss song you were trying to recall. It wasn't The Appenzoller Song by any chance, was it? My earliest recall of exposure to yodelling is probably this song, c 1976-77, but I understand that Singing Together had some 'favourites' that would crop up repeatedly over the years.
The Lincolnshire Poacher was one of my particular favourites


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: GUEST,Nymeria
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 04:37 PM

I'm desperately trying to find out the title to a song which came from either Time and Tune or Singing Together. The only words I recal are: 'when the crescent moon has a single star to guide her through the night' and 'we come, we come, we strange little people come'. It would have featured in one of the books sometime during the 70s. Many thanks to anyone who can help.


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Subject: RE: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 09:43 AM

Re GUEST Jan and "Lucerne/Weggis"; the first line of the version used in the "Singing Together" booklet was

"From Lucerne to Weggis blue,
Hol-da-hi (or similar "yodel")
You may go without a shoe
(Yodelling sound again)

I liked the melody, but the awkwardness of the rhymes put me right off the song.

Among other winners were something about

"Antonio, Antonio, it's raining, it's raining again"

and another ending

"The shepherd whistled gaily and the dog WAGGED HIS TAIL!", the last words being shouted.

I think another winner was "Football Crazy" ("the football it has taken away the little bit of sense he had"), which was described as "Irish". Hmmmm. Even at the age of seven, I had the first dim beginnings of a distinction between genuine tradition and modern degeneracy.

In these first two cases, as in several others, it was pretty predictable which songs would be most popular.


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