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Subject: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: GUEST,Kieran Date: 17 Mar 05 - 10:13 PM Hi Don't spose anyone has the lyrics to John Dengate's "Randwick Races" written down anywhere do they? On the same note (boom boom), does anyone have the chords/tab for "Bill from Erskineville" Thanks K (Apologetic Newbie) Bill from Erskineville (click) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: Bob Bolton Date: 17 Mar 05 - 10:34 PM G'day Keiran, I was the original publisher of both, when I brought out John's songbook My Shout! in 1982, as Editor/Publisher for the Bush Music Club. I just checked through files on my work computer and portable drive ... but the words aren't with me! I should have both on my home box ... I'll certainly send them when I get home tonight. I can probably slip John's chords into brackets in the text of the first verse of each ... John uses the tune Galway Races for his Randwick Races but his own tune for Bill From Erskineville. Regards, Bob |
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Subject: Lyr Add RANDWICK RACES From: Bob Bolton Date: 18 Mar 05 - 03:29 AM G'day again Kieran, Here they are: Randwick Races (Tune: "The Galway Races") (D) We arrived at Randwick races, by (Em) taxi from Clovelly. I had (C) money in my trousers, boys, and (G) schooners (D) in my (G) belly. (G) Well the bookies (d) saw us (D) coming and they (Em) panicked in a crisis; They (G) tinkered with the odds and they (Em) shortened (D) all their (G) prices. Chorus: With my (D) whack, fol the do, fol the (Em) diddley idle (Em) day Well the hunger it was gnawing and the thirst was in us rising While the crowd's excited roaring reached a level quite surprising. Oh, we swallowed several middies and demolished pies and sauces And we set to work comparing prices, jockey's weights and horses. Chorus: With my whack, fol the do, fol the diddley idle day Denis Kevans said, "I reckon we will finish rich as Pharaoh If we back the chestnut filly from the district of Monaro. She's a trier, she's a flier, never knock her or decry her - She's sixty-six to one; when she wins we']] all retire." Chorus: With my whack, fol the do, fol the diddley idle day There was every kind of punter from illiterates to scholars; I struggled throuah the betting ring and wagered twenty dollars - Then the horses were away; from the barrier they thundered And we hoped that very day to collect the thirteen hundred. Chorus: With my whack, fol the do, fol the diddley idle day We shouted in despair; Denis Kevans tore his hair, O'Dea began to swear at the filly from Monaro. She was struggling in the pack and our very hearts were bleeding; She was falling further back and the favourite was leading. Chorus: With my whack, fol the do, fol the diddley idle day
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: Bob Bolton Date: 18 Mar 05 - 03:34 AM Errr ... G'day again, I forgot to mention; if you join up with Mudcat (Hey! it's free - and painless.) I can PM (Mudcat's Personal Mail service) details to contact me ... or you can PM me a suitable e-mail address to which I could send scans of John's song pages from the original book. Regards, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: allanwill Date: 18 Mar 05 - 05:56 AM G'day Bob Being involved in the horse racing industry, I've ALWAYS wanted to learn Bill from Erskineville - you have just given me the impetus, even if it will be just for personal pleasure. Allan |
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Subject: Lyr Add: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: Bob Bolton Date: 18 Mar 05 - 06:58 AM G'day Allan, Well ... Randwick Races are not exactly uninvolved ... ! In fact, John Dengate writes about his personal experiences - and racing / TAB / poker machines / grog seem to be hardy perennials. Do you have the tune for Bill From Erskineville? It's one of John's own tunes, rather than a recycled classic. I can supply the tune in the old MIDItext format (and should send MMario some MIDIs, so he can include them, if and when these find their way into the DT). Regards, Bob |
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Subject: Tune Add: RANDWICK RACES / GALWAY RACES From: MMario Date: 18 Mar 05 - 08:41 AM X:1 T:Randwick Races Q:1/4=192 I:abc2nwc M:6/8 L:1/8 K:C z3D2D|D2D D2E|D2B, B,2B,|E2E E2^F|E B,2z2B,| E2E E2^F|G2G ^F2E|D2G ^F2A|G G2z2A| B2B A2G|A2A G2^F|E2^F G2F|E2B, z2B,| D2D D2E|D3B,2B,|E2G ^F2A|G2G G2A|B3A2G| A6-|A3G2^F|E3/4EEE/4- E3/2-E/4D-D/4|E3z3|] from midi produced by Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: cobber Date: 18 Mar 05 - 11:01 PM Hi Bob I used to have a set of tapes put our by Warren Fahey that had Warren (I think) singing Bill from Erskinville and Declan Affley doing a marvellous job on the Randwick Races. They're ;ost now. Do you know if they're still around. They were like radio shows with lots of songs and stories blended together on various subjects. Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: Bob Bolton Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:58 AM G'day Cobber, I would have thought that was the eight-cassette boxed set While the Billy Boils - A Panorama of Australian Folklore, devised & scripted by Warren Fahey, published by The Australian Broadcasting Commission, 1981. I have the set ... and thank you profusely for raising it, since I had been despairing of finding the tune Jacko Kevans set to 'Banjo' Paterson's Santa Claus in the Bush ... and there it is in Program Seven (Cassette four, side A) ... ! I haven't played this much ... or for a while, so I just checked: both songs you mention are sung by their author ... John Dengate for "Bill" and the "Races" (and Jacko sings his own setting of Santa Claus in the Bush). I doubt that this set has ever re-surfaced on CD(s) It's an ABC production for broadcast as a series on radio ... and it would run to more than six hours - probably best presented as eight CDs, each containing two 25 minute programs, as in the boxed cassette version. It's too big to fit on a single-layer / single-side DVD! Regards, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: cobber Date: 20 Mar 05 - 01:35 AM Thanks Bob. I'll just have to see if I can find mine. I could have sworn it was Declan on the races but I haven't heard it for a while either. Speaking of Warren. Is he still around? I was trying to find an email address for him but couldn't. I'm living bush at the moment and don't have the phone on. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 20 Mar 05 - 05:55 AM Warren has a website full of info & folklore & other great stuff. www.warrenfahey.com sandra |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Dengate - Randwick Races From: Bob Bolton Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:44 AM G'day Cobber / John, Warren is certainly alive and kicking. I recently reviewed a pair of ABC CDs of "retrospective" collections ... assembled by David Mulhallen who used to run ABC-FM's Folk on Sundays program. They were ABC / UniversaL Music 13942, WARREN FAHEY - a Panorama of Bush Songs and ABC / UniversaL Music 13952, WARREN FAHEY - Larrikins, Louts and Layabouts. These both feature Warren's own singing (with the usual bunch of Larrikins Band members in the near background) ... and are quite a handy set of less usual Australian songs. I'll PM you with Warren's e-mail ... then off to Canberra for the National Folk Festival. Regards, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: GUEST,Kieran Date: 22 Mar 05 - 11:15 PM Oh wow!! I go away for a weekend and... This is amazing! Thanks so much Bob!! I'll be joining up shortly! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Kieran O Date: 23 Mar 05 - 10:33 PM Just wondering how the last couple of verses to Randwick Races goes? I can remember this much: "Oh! She's won it by a nose, But a protest has been entered The stewards have upheld it, curse the day they were invented Chorus: With me whack etc We walked back to Clovelly from the blasted Randwick Races With ulcers in our bellies boy and gloom upon our faces. Oh we cursed the filly's jockey, and we cursed the Randwick stewards And drowned our disappointment in a flood of amber fluids Chorus: etc" I think there's some stuff between this and the lines Bob posted - any idea what's missing? Cheers K |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Bob Bolton Date: 10 Aug 11 - 12:12 AM G'day Keiran ... if you're still about 6 years after I didn't fill in the gaps in the last stanzas! Another friend has twisted my arm ... so I'll go and extract them exactly as I published them in John's original book My Shout! ... err .. around Easter 1982! Regard(les)s, Bob |
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Subject: Lyr Add: RANDWICK RACES (John Dengate) From: Bob Bolton Date: 10 Aug 11 - 07:38 PM G'day again, This is the full text that I should have posted to Mudcat ... a mere six years and five months back! I only left out the last three stanzas! (Maybe I did a quick OCR scan of the text, in the book [or off my printing masters] ... and skipped the second page ... !) These are scanned in directly from my copy of John's book My Shout! , which I published for John & the Bush Music Club - for launch at the National Folk Festival, Sydney University, Easter 1982. THE RANDWICK RACES (Words: John Dengate - Tune: "The Galway Races") We arrived at Randwick races, by taxi from Clovelly. I had money in my trousers, boys, and schooners in my belly. Well the bookies saw us coming and they panicked in a crisis; They tinkered with the odds and they shortened all their prices. CHORUS: With my whack, fol the do, fol the diddley idle day. Well the hunger it was gnawing and the thirst was in us rising While the crowd's excited roaring reached a level quite surprising. Oh, we swallowed several middies and demolished pies and sauces And we set to work comparing prices, jockey's weights and horses. CHORUS: Denis Kevans said, "I reckon we will finish rich as Pharaoh If we back the chestnut filly from the district of Monaro. She's a trier, she's a flier, never knock her or decry her - She's sixty-six to one; when she wins we'll all retire." CHORUS: There was every kind of punter from illiterates to scholars; I struggled through the betting ring and wagered twenty dollars - Then the horses were away; from the barrier they thundered And we hoped that very day to collect the thirteen hundred. CHORUS: We shouted in despair; Denis Kevans tore his hair, O'Dea began to swear at the filly from Monaro. She was struggling in the pack and our very hearts were bleeding; She was falling further back and the favourite was leading. CHORUS: It seems the filly heard us for suddenly she sprinted. She raced around the ruck with a purpose quite unstinted. At the ledger she was third, oh you should have seen her flying; I got so damned excited that I choked upon my pie, singing – CHORUS: They stormed into the straight like cavalry invading; The filly was improving and the favourite was fading: "She's won it by a nose ... but a protest has been entered; The stewards have upheld it; curse the day they were invented!' CHORUS: We walked back to Clovelly from the blasted Randwick races, With ulcers in our bellies, boys, and gloom upon our faces. We cursed the filly's jockey and we cursed the Randwick stewards Then drowned our disappointment in a flood of amber fluids. CHORUS: Note that the odds, in stanza 3 ... and the expected yield in stanza 4 ... have varied over time: originally "... fifty five to one & ... and ...collect eleven hundred ... possibly increasing in inverse proportion to John's losses! I presume that I don't need to submit a MIDI for the standard Galway Races tune ... but I do have the tune as written out by John in my copy of the book! Regard(les)s, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Nov 23 - 06:15 PM I'd swear that Gerry Myerson sang this to the tune of "Whisky in the Jar" (or thereabouts). True? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: GerryM Date: 06 Nov 23 - 09:34 PM Joe, some bits of Galway Races (hence, of Randwick Races) follow Whiskey in the Jar for a while, then diverge from it. I may not have diverged at the same places, or in the same directions, as I am much more familiar with the tune of Whiskey than with the tune of Galway. As Bob Bolton pointed out, the dots are in John's book, which I have. If you want them, and if you can figure out how I can get them to you without typing "quarter-note of D, eighth-note of D, bar line, quarter-note of D, eighth-note of D, ..." for 22 bars, let me know. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 06 Nov 23 - 09:52 PM Joe, I can send you a jpg or pdf - or both! scans on their way - scanned from Bob's original copy of John's book |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 23 - 04:22 AM OK, I'm not too good at this, but in case anyone's still looking, these are the chords I've worked out for "Bill from Erskineville". All other verses have the same chord structure: (G)(F#)(F)(C)(D)(G) Oh I'm (G)pleased to (F#)meet you, (F)my name's (C)Bill I'm (D)working in a factory in Erskine(G)ville You (G)have to (F#)crawl and (F)conditions are a (C)crime But you (D)get a few dollars worth of over(G)time Hooray, (C)ain't life (G)grand I'm (D)saving a deposit on a (G)block of land (G)(F#)(F)(C)(D)(G) This John Dengate song reminds me of living in Erskineville when my wife taught at a university in NSW and I got to play second row for the mighty Camperdown Dragons. And got to listen to John Dengate, a marvellous folk singer. Great days. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 07 Nov 23 - 07:00 AM Thanks, Guest As a fan of John's you might like to check out the articles I posted about John on the Bush Music Club blog |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 23 - 04:22 AM OK, I'm not too good at this, but in case anyone's still looking, these are the chords I've worked out for "Bill from Erskineville". All other verses have the same chord structure: (G)(F#)(F)(C)(D)(G) Oh I'm (G)pleased to (F#)meet you, (F)my name's (C)Bill I'm (D)working in a factory in Erskine(G)ville You (G)have to (F#)crawl and (F)conditions are a (C)crime But you (D)get a few dollars worth of over(G)time Hooray, (C)ain't life (G)grand I'm (D)saving a deposit on a (G)block of land (G)(F#)(F)(C)(D)(G) This John Dengate song reminds me of living in Erskineville when my wife taught at a university in NSW and I got to play second row for the mighty Camperdown Dragons. And got to listen to John Dengate, a marvellous folk singer. Great days. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Nov 23 - 06:15 PM I'd swear that Gerry Myerson sang this to the tune of "Whisky in the Jar" (or thereabouts). True? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 06 Nov 23 - 09:52 PM Joe, I can send you a jpg or pdf - or both! scans on their way - scanned from Bob's original copy of John's book |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 07 Nov 23 - 07:00 AM Thanks, Guest As a fan of John's you might like to check out the articles I posted about John on the Bush Music Club blog |
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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Randwick Races (John Dengate) From: GerryM Date: 06 Nov 23 - 09:34 PM Joe, some bits of Galway Races (hence, of Randwick Races) follow Whiskey in the Jar for a while, then diverge from it. I may not have diverged at the same places, or in the same directions, as I am much more familiar with the tune of Whiskey than with the tune of Galway. As Bob Bolton pointed out, the dots are in John's book, which I have. If you want them, and if you can figure out how I can get them to you without typing "quarter-note of D, eighth-note of D, bar line, quarter-note of D, eighth-note of D, ..." for 22 bars, let me know. |
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