BS: Anti-social behavior

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:52 PM

Carol C. You can't call me a liar unless you know everything is the truth, which it isn't and you can't prove it.

You just don't know everything CarolC. You just can't Google up everything but I know you try.

And I didn't make up stories about some people here being druggies, social misfits, drunks, basket cases, drop-outs, and a lot of musical wannabes.

It's just by not so humble opion that they are. Didn't name any names, did I? But you obviously must recognize some whom I am talking about, quite possibly your own self.

My opinion is that people like yourself who have a problem with Israel and do everything they can to tout it, are extremely anti-social.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:53 PM

No, Guest, I don't need meds like some of the prosac kings and queens here, so for your own benefit, I will just tell you again, you cowardly turd:


No guest, I'll just tell you again:

Joe, I have been combative because I am fighting for what I believe in and you are getting your kicks stifling it.

In short, you are operating on a double standard.

Joe, why don't you delete all of the combative and insulting Guest posts that are done incognito by many Mudcat posters?

Why don't you delete posts by Jew haters who insult Rabbis?

Why don't you delete posts that promote the use of illegal drugs?

Why don't you delete posts by morons like Big Mick with all of his anger and egomaniacal attitude?

Why don't you delete postgs by socialists that people who love this country find offensive?

You know why, Joe. Because you are a puppet, that's why.

You just might be very busy here.

And yes, I think a thread about homosexual songs is dumb for a folk music sight. Made a comment or two about it and then I moved on. Sleepless Dad, the music threads have not been interesting to me much lately. So before you go ahead and lick Joe's colon with your report, I would suggest that you have too much time on your hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:54 PM

Your not feeling good about yourself,are you dear?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:58 PM

Does your wife know?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:04 PM

I'm sure none of us will tell her, but you should be truthful with her, dear. It's for the best.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:05 PM

Several times you have made up stories about one of our members being incontinent just because he uses a wheelchair. You have made up stories about me being on welfare (I am not on welfare... neither my husband nor I receive any financial assistance from the government whatever). You have made up stories about Wesley and his wife being heroin addicts. That is one of the most absurd accusations I've seen in a long time. These are all lies, Martin. It's you who is the social misfit. harpgirl has you pegged. You need to belittle everyone else because it's the only way you can feel good about yourself.

If I were to try to take a guess about you, my guess would be that you have at least one, possibly more than one learning disability that never got diagnosed (or at least that never got the proper attention), and that you never felt like you fit in with the people around you. So your way of dealing with it was to be the clown, and to mock people and belittle them and get some laughs from doing that so people would accept you and not make you feel like an outsider. If I were to take a guess, that's probably what it would be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:09 PM

And it's so sad,dear. Really, we're all hoping you'll seek professional help. It shouldn't be too hard in Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:31 PM

I'm so gald you have someone, dear. Fred sounds like a nice boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Boab
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:40 PM

I think the main problem here is one which seems to be prevalent in the USA in particular. And I mean prevalent among REASONABLE people as well as the mindless shit-throwers. In the USA, I have noted, the majority of the folks don't seem to have the vaguest clue what it means to be "socialist". They are conditioned not only to spit venom at the mention of "Socialist", but also "Marxist" and "Communist". In ANY creed there is scope for those miscreants who would manipulate the current laws in furtherance of their own agendas. Nobody in North America, surely, has missed the recent spate of actions against just such skulduggery---and not furth of the borders of the USA! And those actions were made necessary because of some who saw a self-enhancing opportunity in the jungles of hardly-fettered capitalism. I never have been a political animal. And reading "between lines", I see like-minded contributers to this site. My role in civic society is guided by what I see as the MORALLy correct path. At least as much as the fair share of human frailties I'm 'cumbered with will allow. If someone points a finger and cries "socialist"!, then so be it. I have never been a member of any other party other than the Nationalist Party in my own Country, and that embraces all political colours.
If I see a human being in distress---even as a result of his own inadequacies---I hope I will always have the grace to stop, and try to help. I shall be rewarded by the improvement in their fortunes, or saddened by my own failure. But I will have a clear conscience. Is this "socialism", Martin?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 11:09 PM

Gee, Martin, you're almost as good at copy-paste as Shambles is. "What you believe in" has nothing to do with why your messages have been deleted - it's how you present your point of view. You do it in an intimidating, crude, combative manner.
Sorry, but that's not acceptable.
You've done better today, though. I deleted far fewer messages than yesterday. Still, you have your strange obsession with tampons, and I really can't let you go and tell some woman to get laid. There's no reason to attack peoples' sex lives, their disabilities or physical appearance, their spouses or children. None of that has anything to do with defending what you believe in.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 11:20 PM

Tell ya what, Martin...

You like to make these sweeping generalizations about folks here but guess what? You are wrong most of the time...

You think you are a some kind of folk hero? Bull... With the time you spend here spewing yer brand of bigotry and hatred there's no way that you can be tendin' to the art of being a folk hero...

So, I'm going on record here of challenging you to a "battle of the bands" 'cept there won't be no bands.... Yeah, big folk singer... You pick the joint half way between where you live and where I live and you and I will show with what we got...

Deal?

Hey, this is a folk music site, ain't it?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 11:55 PM

it's a funny situation...the greater the number of people who disagree with Martin, his attitude and his style, the more combative he gets. It's almost as if he equates all these negative posts with persecution of Jews in general. I wish I knew...(and I wish HE knew!)

To Martin: You arrived here as a 'guest', making crude remarks and insulting people from the beginning, and after you 'joined', you just got worse. What you do is different in kind and different in degree than others who sometimes push the envelope in their remarks, and THEY have been edited and/or deleted at times. It is amazing to me that you have been given as much slack as you have. I do not know why anyone feels the need to make the remarks you have usually, with little or no provocation. You know enough about music and other stuff, (even hot dog styles), to be a useful, but opinionated member, but you persist in seeing if you can set new records for being offensive. I guess you managed, and you are seeing what happens when you act up on someone else's turf, no matter HOW righteous you feel. Not much else to say...

to everyone else...ESPECIALLY anonymous guests who seem to delight in responding to Martin: You are not helping by giving him ammunition for more remarks. Some of the responses TO Martin are ripe for censorship themselves! Give it a rest and let him dig himself in deeper, if that's what he's bound to do!

I sure wish I knew how to get EVERYONE to see what this all looks like and just play nicely together, but the Age of the Internet has done strange things to our ways of relating, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:05 AM

(me, I'm going off on vacation for a few days after tomorrow.....music and nice people....I hope most of this has blown over by the time I get home!)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:31 AM

Working my way down the list, I have to say it depends on how you do it.
Making fun of Jews can be anti social, if you're a Nazi. Or a full time career if you're Jerry Seinfeld.
Showing disrespect to the president can be anti social behavior if you're Lee Harvey Oswald, or a full time career, if you're any number of stand up comics.
Defending Marxism is an act of heroism if you're an ACLU lawyer, and a dirty deed if you are Lee Harvey Oswald.
Now I had a roommate at O.U. who was a serious drug user. Her behavior was annoying, sometimes seriously worrying. She was a world class pain in the derriere. But I would not call her behavior anti social. Sometimes it was entirely too social. Saturday and Sunday mornings I used to hone my detective skills helping to figure out where she'd been and what she'd done the night before. When she wasn't sober she wasn't picky about who she went to bed with, and she didn't always remember the next day.
In 1993 I broke my arm very badly. I was uninsured at the time, and wound up owing Shadyside Hospital $17000. I didn't have it. I didn't have any way of getting it. My sister deliberately put off settling our mother's estate until after the bill was settled. So I applied to the state for medical assistance, and got it. I don't have it now. But at the time, it settled a whopper of a debt, and got that *&^%!!! collection agency out of my life. I also have the use of my left arm, which makes it easier for me to earn my living. So I can't say I was sponging.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Stu
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:21 AM

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior?
......yes


...or no.

Bill Hicks? Monty Python? etc etc.

Just more of Martin's flamebait (to which I've just responded - doh!)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: kendall
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:47 AM

Anyone who is unable to say what they think without sinking into a vitriolic tirade aimed at another member has a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:38 AM

Now, why do you people keep paying attention to this guy? He is just desperately seeking the attention you all love to give him!

One of these guys , who is a bit of this, and a whole lot of that shows up here, and all the usual Mudcat suspects load up their shit throwers, and start playing the same old same old flame game with him.

Martin is your forum toy.. The too easy target of your liberal angst. Anyone who responds to him and plays along in kind is as bad as he is, but just uses "nice" language to say so.

That's what makes every single member posting here (and the forum moderators who tolerate Martin) such hypocrites. You claim to be holier than thou "nice" people, yet you play these passive aggressive games.

Martin Gibson isn't the only member who needs to grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:52 AM

Don't you get it, GUEST? The tables have turned. Martin is now the Village Fool, and it is the rest od us now who taunt him, hoping to see yet another of his famous reactions, or a [bleep](for antisocial behaviour).

It feels that way, folks - we shouldn't be proud of that. Let's leave the poor wretch alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:00 AM

Yes the very best thing we can do is ignore him completely.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:19 AM

Ignoring him is like trying not to crane your neck to get a glimpse of a car accident as you're driving by the scene of the wreck.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:39 AM

Guest:

Those links are a complete crack up.

Your identification of passive-aggressiveness is interesting; it sounds like you are posing as Innocence Abused. If you had specifics, it would make a lot more sense.

I like the Howlers!! :D

A

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: kendall
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:28 PM

The ones who post under their own names are the grown ups.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:50 PM

"It was meant as nothing more than an opinion."
So, it's useless....

"you are operating on a double standard"
So what....

Isn't defending Marxism in america Anti-social behavior? No

Isn't ridiculing Jews anti-social behavior? Who cares...

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior? No!

Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior? What else is it there for?

Isn't spreading AIDS through homosexual contact anti-social behavior? Leave your sex life outa this...

Isn't ridiculing people with faith anti-social behavior? No

Isn't censorship itself anti-social behavior? No

Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior? F#ck NO!

Isn't using drugs and boasting about it anti-social behavior? Nope...

Isn't getting drunk and boasting about it anti-social behavior? Nope...

Isn't being a lying Mudcat Clone anti-social behavior? Who cares...

1. Is fomenting discord and anger within or amongst a group, antisocial? Nope... f#ck 'em

2. Is using the fowlest insults imaginable, antisocial? Not as bad as you rspelling...

3. Is making up a persona and hiding behind it in order to be verbally abusive, antisocial? Is declaring that you do not see yourself as a participant in an online community which you post in a dozen times a day, antisocial? What else is the internet for???

4. Is lying repeatedly about who you really are, antisocial? Catch me if you can...

5. Is withholding public kindness or empathy for the sad, antisocial? Again, f#ck 'em... the sad... cry me a fecking river!

6. Is lacking impulsive control, antisocial? Depends on what you do with it...

7. Is fowling your own nest, antisocial? Where else should fowls be, but in their nests?

Get a life folks... Martin Gibson ain't no thang...   Ain't no thing but a chicken-wing...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:26 PM

Actually, I have to give our Martin some credit here. This thread itself is probably the most socially responsible thing I've see him do. There is some thought content here. I happpen to think he's wrong in many of his points, but at least the approach is sort of responsible.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:47 PM

Oh, Clinton. Nice summary! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:12 PM

Don't lets give him too much credit, Dave- he's still an obnoxious a$$hole.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Swave N. Deboner
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:33 PM

Martin, c'mon man! Why are you so fuckin' hostile? You get your back up at the slightest indication that somebody doesn't agree with your point of view. Most of us here all agree that you, and every other damn person with a mind that's capable of forming a viewpoint, are entitled to it. But you, who supposedly upholds that same principle, damn sure have a shitty way of showing it. Do you agree with Dubya, going around the country, spouting off about his Social Security plan, and attempting to bring pressure to bear by implying that anyone (in Congress) who doesn't support his plan will face political consequences? He may as well be saying, "You better agree with me, or else." I damn sure don't respect that. I suppose you think that the Democratic members of Congress are all anti-social, unless they cow-tow to that sawed off prick. If you are anything in real life like you present yourself to be in this forum, then you certainly are anti-social, but that's just my opinion.

SND

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:48 PM

"You get your back up at the slightest indication that somebody doesn't agree with your point of view"

Then you misunderstand MG... He's here, like a 4 year old, to poke the ant-hill that is Mudcat, to watch the inhabitants scramble around, tripping over each other to tell him what a horrible person he is...

He pokes this place, because you people are so easily riled, and so entertaining in your stupidity when you are riled...

As I said above, he ain't no thing... Unless you LET him be a thing...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:17 PM

And Clinton, you are one of the biggest ants!

Good call!

It has been quite a riot at times, especially the Guests who are obviously regulars getting so bent out of shape.

The guest though who above said "That's what makes every single member posting here (and the forum moderators who tolerate Martin) such hypocrites. You claim to be holier than thou "nice" people, yet you play these passive aggressive games.

Martin Gibson isn't the only member who needs to grow up."


This guest is not related to me nor have I paid him or her off to say such truth. Some of you who think they are such hot shit, just ain't and I have been enjoying tell you so. That group is just not that nice and I know that they think they are the Mudcat elite. But, as I have been saying, you sure can stink up a room pretty bad, especially a church or a synagogue.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:22 PM

Love is all he said!...Love is all!
May the Lord Bless each one of you in your anger, your annoyance, your lack of understanding........
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:40 PM

For sure, eh? :-) Rock on, dudes. There is nothing a professional chain-puller likes better than a damned good reaction every time he pulls the chain, and that requires someone willing to provide it.

Kind of like professional wrestling. You have your obligatory "bad guys" and they are there simply to get the audience all riled up and keep the show going. Andy Kaufman really got into making the most of that for a while. It's exactly like poking a stick into an anthill.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:42 PM

I think you're overworking the Lord on that one, Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:44 PM

Anthills are for children.

Web forums are for adults who get a kick out being like a child once in a while.

Let's get ready to rummmmmmble!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:46 PM

... The Sounds of Silence.....

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM

Being like a child once in a while is good for the health, I think.

Bill, you are mistaken. God can handle all that without even blinking an "eye". :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:15 PM

Well, LH, if one is going to be poking a stick into anthills, one shouldn't be surprised if, from time to time, one discovers hundreds of angry fire ants up one's pants, embedding their stingers into ones tender bits. (Occupational hazards and all that... )

:-0

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:20 PM

how will we know if He does, Little Hawk? How do we know he isn't just amused by it all? ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

Carol C.

simple insect repeelant works for that.


Wesley S., that's the name of the old Simon and Garfunkel song I was trying to remember.

See, you are capable of something when you wake up and smell the coffee.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

Zzzzzzzzz.........

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:25 PM

As I thought, Wesley.

deaf, dumb, and blind. ever think of changing your name to Tommy?

Your response is somewhat entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:33 PM

You underestimate fire ants, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:37 PM

People at mudcat aren't fire ants... I'd be more concerned about the viciousness of gummy-worms...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:42 PM

Fire ants are known to sit at the table with you in trailer parks.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:43 PM

See now, Clinton, you are capable of being funny. But you are, after all, Canadian, so you have an advantage there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:43 PM

Zzzzzz.......

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:45 PM

I can be very funny, if I choose to be...

:-P

Heh

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:35 PM

I guess the only way to know for SURE would be to become God, Bill.

How does a fish know what the ocean is thinking about? Does the ocean worry about the fish? Does the ocean get mad if the fish doesn't worship it or believe in it? Does the sky get mad at the little gray cloud that decided to rain?

Naw....only people get mad at the little gray cloud, because they have a frikkin' agenda, and not much patience either. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:59 PM

Said one fire ant to the other fire ant after they both bit Martin Gibson in the balls, "Bleaugh!! Now there is a bitter man!"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:06 PM

ya' know...I agree with all that, LH...and since I DON'T know, I choose not to speculate and toss prayers and pleas for 'blessings' about as if I could expect that my little wishes would affect it all.

I don't know what's out there-
I don't know if anything knows I'm down here-
I don't know how 'it' could affect me if either of 'us' knew about each other-
I see no obvious pattern to events that would enlighten me so I could know---
I see all those who DO claim to know taking widely divergent positions and arguing with each other....and unlike the Red Queen, I can't bring myself to believe six impossible (or contradictory) things before breakfast.

There used to be a political party in the US called "The Know-Nothings". Maybe we need it back   ;>))

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:36 PM

Is It anti - social to post the Hundredth addition to a thread ??