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Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope

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Long Live the Pope (from the St. Gregory Hymnal and Catholic Choir Book)
Long Live the Pope (Harmony) (from the St. Gregory Hymnal and Catholic Choir Book)


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Subject: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 03:06 AM

Papal Hymn

according to one of my sources, Vatican II Hymnal published in 1974 by the Seattle Archdiocese, the author (or translator?) was the "Rt. Rev. Msgr. Hugh T. Henry, Litt.D." and it is "Copyright 1908, J. Fischer Bro." As set in that hymnal to music by H. G. Ganss, the last two lines of each stanza are reduplicated.

Long live the Pope!
His praises sound
Again and yet again:
His rule is over space and time:
His throne the heart of men:
All hail! The Shepherd King of Rome,
The theme of loving song:
||: Let all the earth his glory sing
And heav'n the strain prolong. :||

Beleaguered by
By the foes of earth,
Beset by hosts of hell,
He guards the loyal flock of Christ,
A watchful sentinel:
And yet, amid the din and strife,
The clash of mace and sword,
||: He bears alone the Shepherd Staff,
The champion of the Lord. :||

His signet is the fisherman's
No scepter does he bear
In meek and lowly majesty
He rules from Peter's chair
And yet from every tribe and tongue
From every clime and zone
||: 600* million voices sound
The glory of his throne :||

Then raise the chant,
With heart and voice,
In Church & school & home:
"Long live the Shepherd of the Flock!
Long live the Pope of Rome!"
Almighty Father bless his work,
Protect him in his ways,
||: Receive his prayer, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him length of days! :||

*The 1974 Vatican II Hymnal reads "300 million", and I gather today's canonical figure is "A thousand million". The "600 million", a compromise, is from another of my sources.

BTW, what if anything (other than popishness) does this song have to do with Palestrina's "Tu es Petrus" mass? Or to the "Inno e Marcia Pontificale", the national anthem of the Vatican City State (music by Gounod)?

Haruo

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 03:28 AM

From childhood days, I recall an atrocity called "God Bless Our Pope", which made its priorities clear:

"The noble roof, the marble walls,
The Vatican's majestic halls..."

Truly spiritual.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 02:31 PM

Good find, Haruo! I've never heard a hymn sung in praise of the pope, and I've certainly never heard this one. I found the song in a 1960's reprint of the 1920/1941 St. Gregory Hymnal and Catholic Choir Book. My book says three hundred million. I guess it's like the changing signs McDonald's used to have, showing how many hundred million burgers they served.
I'll see if I can get around to posting a MIDI later, so we can all sing it together when they elect a new pope in a couple of weeks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: mg
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 03:31 PM

isn't there a song for bishops at elast? I remember veni sponsa Christi for when nuns are ??? vowed. In the Fatima hymn we pray for our pontiff in Rome...

Anyone else Catholocentered and thought that the words to wayfaring stranger were I'm only going over Jordan I'm only going over Rome? mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: mandoleer
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 05:35 PM

Reminds me of when I was helping with a school talent show. In the auditions (Liverpool school, so enough talent to need auditions rather than pressgang!), one lad was great on the concertina. Trouble was, the majority of his repertoire had titles like 'Kick the Pope' and so on. We eventually found something that had a neutral title and he got through. (He was the son of an Orange Lodge member and played in their band, by the way.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Alexander
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:38 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Alexander
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:42 PM

What happened? The message left before I could write it!! Thank you for posting this Papal Hymn Harou. I can quote it to my Catholic friends and family and pretend to be learn-ed-id, like as wot as how you is!! warm smile.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Alexander
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:46 PM

For Harou read Haruo. Sorry about that!! I must remember the rule u before o except after c. Hey!! Who fired me? I used to be a large Member and now I'm a large Guest!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:54 PM

The Cookie Monster got ya!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 04:29 AM

For the record, I am a Baptist. We are a schismatic sect that follows the Fourteenth Apostle, Martin Bapt, inventor of the Church Potluck. ;-)

Haruo
good off-the-cuff spelling rule, Alexander!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:09 AM

OK, so here's the MIDI transcribed from a 1960's reprint of the 1920/1941 St. Gregory Hymnal and Catholic Choir Book. Mind you, I have never heard this song sung in a Catholic church or institution. If it were to be sung at the seminary I attended in the 1960's, it would have been greeted with catcalls and ridicule. It really is a corny song. Maybe people did sing it during the first half of the 20th century, but not very often since 1950, I'll bet.

I tried to find "God Bless Our Pope," but didn't have any luck. This page (click) is supposed to have MIDI files for both songs, but I couldn't get through. Maybe it's really popular, now that the Pope's dead and all.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 12:24 PM

According to one of the websites I consulted, it was sung to the pope's face in St Louis a few years ago (1999? I've lost track) when John Paul visited the US.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 02:04 PM

Could be, Haruo, but I think I've been around the Catholic Church long enough to know that songs like that are no longer used in common practice. It's one of the few songs written to honor the Pope, so I suppose that some lunatic is going to use it in his presence once in a while. The texts of most current Catholic hymns come from Scripture, not from sentimental Victorian poets.

Remember that the song was written in 1908, a different age. At the time, the popes were self-imposed "Prisoners of the Vatican," refusing to leave the Vatican until a concordat was reached with Italy, establishing rights for the Church and compensating the Church for the loss of the Papal States. I won't say whether it was right or wrong to sign a concordat with Musssolini, but the Concordat was signed in 1929. After that, the popes traveled a bit - but nobody went very far until John Paul II became the first non-Italian pope in centuries.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:54 PM

This recent but ante-mortem page at GIA's site gives a little additional information, but appears to place the song on a level with the Te Deum, which strikes me as all too far-fetched.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 09:00 PM

Bad news, Joe. We sang this right up into the 60s at OLG in Howard Beach usually at Confirmation.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 09:02 PM

In fact, somewhere I have a recording of this sung by Frank Patterson.


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Subject: Lyr Add: LONG LIVE THE POPE
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 09:03 PM

You're THAT old, Sinsull?
[wicked grin]

-Joe, who may be older, but he comes from a progressive upbringing-
I think the GIA Article merits copy-pasting. I don't think Moleck is advocating the use of this hymn. I see no comparison to "Te Deum," which is a classic hymn. Moleck compares the song to the rousing Daniel Lord anthems, "Holy God We Praise Thy Name" (which I happen to like, although I hate myself for liking it) and "An Army of Youth" (a really dorky song which I have sung many times in a mocking tone)

Table Talk by Fred Moleck

Papal Hymns

At this writing, the Holy Father is convalescing after undergoing a tracheotomy. This latest visit to the hospital has restarted the speculation about his continuing his pontificate. If you don’t think he is not a major player in world affairs, just review last week’s news programs.

It has also caused me to search through hymnals, past and present, for any text and tune that prays for the pope.

Probably the all time favorite hymn, widely sung in this part of the country, is a post-Victorian gem, which was found in some early St. Basil’s hymnals.

“Long Live the Pope” was sung by hundreds, if not thousands, of school children to commemorate parish celebrations. It was also chosen when a rousing hymn was needed to “cap” a Mass.

The text by Rt. Rev. Msgr. Hugh T. Henry, Litt.D, was copyrighted in 1908 along with the tune by Henry G. Ganss.

Monsignor Henry was professor for some time at Catholic University of America, and one of the country’s leading hymnologists in the early part of the last century.

Henry Ganss, has some recognition in this part of Pennsylvania. He was a boy student at St. Vincent College Seminary in the 1880s. That’s when kids were sent off to seminary school when they were around twelve years old.

Ganss was later ordained a priest for the Diocese of Harrisburg. His typewritten memoirs as a student at St. Vincent are housed in the library archives at St. Vincent in Latrobe, Pennsylvania.

The text has some charm. The theology is of the triumphalist school. I cite it here in its entirety so you can enjoy this gem of hymnody from our Church’s family album.

Long live the Pope! His praises sound
    Again and yet again:
His rule is over space and time;
    His throne the hearts of men:
All hail! the Shepherd King of Rome,
    The theme of loving song:
Let all the earth his glory sing,
    And heav’n the strain prolong.

Beleaguered by the foes of earth,
    Beset by hosts of hell,
He guards the loyal flock of Christ,
    A watchful sentinel:
And yet, amid the din and strife,
    The clash of mace and sword,
He bears alone the shepherd staff,
    This champion of the Lord.

His signet is the Fisherman’s;
    No sceptre does he bear;
In meek and lowly majesty
    He rules from Peter’s Chair:
And yet from every tribe and tongue,
    From every clime and zone,
Three hundred million voices sing,
    The glory of his throne.

Then raise the chant, with heart and voice,
    In church and school and home:
“Long live the Shepherd of the Flock!
    Long live the Pope of Rome!”
Almighty Father, bless his work,
    Protect him in his ways,
Receive his prayers, fulfill his hopes,
    And grant him “length of days.”
You need to know that the tune and its crafted harmonization are vintage popular romanticism. No parallel fifths, good voice-leading, and a bass line that is never static.

The high point of the tune occurs in the last four bars, which are introduced with a rising triplet and a powerful descending three-note pattern—inevitably bellowed by the choir’s basses.

This “Catholic classic” ranks up there with “Holy God, We Praise Thy Name” and “An Army of Youth” by Daniel Lord, SJ.

Another item from the papal hymn section of our family album that carries a little more artistic merit is the acclamation “Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!”

But that’s next week’s TableTalk.

There may be no parallel fifths, but there's a really dissonant seventh in the harmony arrangement I posted.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 01:07 AM

I can tell I am not Recent American Catholic enough for this discussion! I read "This "Catholic classic" ranks up there with "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name" and "An Army of Youth" by Daniel Lord, SJ" and thought only the latter was by Daniel Lord; I assumed "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name" meant the English version of "Te Deum laudamus" (via the German Grosser Gott, wir loben dich). In any event Long live the Pope is not by any stretch in a league with the Te Deum in whatever language. I think I may put it (in Esperanto, of course) in the Esperanto worship service I'll be leading in Austin in June.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:14 AM

Hi, Haruo - I can't find a Daniel Lord hymn titled "Holy God We Praise Thy Name." The song of that title that I know is the one you speak of - an English translation of the "Te Deum," set to a German tune. It's an oldie, but I like it. I think that Fred Moleck may have been wrong about that one being by Daniel Lord, S.J. I have to admit that I'm not familiar with the "Te Deum" in Gregorian Chant. It's often talked about, but seldom heard.

Moleck does have some interesting stuff about Catholic hymns and church music - you can find an archive of his articles at the GIA Publications Website here (click). Last year, Moleck did a lecture at Notre Dame titled Response to the Michael Mathis Award: Music and Liturgy Before and After the Second Vatican Council. It's a good lecture. The lecture text has the lyrics to "Army of Youth," and another truly corny song, "I Am a Little Catholic."

Here's the part I remember from "Army of Youth":
    An army of youth
    Flying the standards of truth,
    We're fighting for Christ, the Lord.
    Heads lifted high,
    Catholic Action our cry,
    And the Cross our only sword.
If you want "Little Catholic" and the rest of "Army," take a look at the text of Molek's speech (click).

In the late 1960's, while I was in the seminary there, the Archdiocese of Milwaukee banned a number of truly tacky traditional hymns from worship - mostly the really sentimental Mary hymns, and a few others that had strange theology. There was an uproar in some of the parishes for a while, but the people eventually got over it. I'm sure that "Little Catholic" and "Army of Youth" were candidates for being Banned in Milwaukee. "Long Live the Pope" probably made the list, too.

Sinsull, did you actually like that song?

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: mg
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM

on earth's battlefield never a standard we'll yield as dauntlessonly on we go....for the king's white and blue for our flag for our faith for Christ the King

How could anyone not like Holy God we praise thy name...that is an all time great song.


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Subject: Lyr Add: HEAVEN'S MAKIN ROOM FOR POPE JOHN PAUL
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:18 AM

For your pious listening pleasure - a musical tribute to the late Pope by Dr. Bruce L Theissen, aka Dr BLT

HEAVEN'S MAKIN ROOM FOR POPE JOHN PAUL

"Where the mountains touch the sky
When the Heavens open up so wide
They're makin room in Heaven
tearin down the walls
Heaven's makin room for Pope

When the eagles up above
Scatter all around with hawks and precious doves
They make an opening
so wide and tall
Heaven's makin room for Pope John Paul

CHORUS

Heaven's gates turn with the tide
And a choir of angels sing
Jesus sits with arms outstretched and open wide
Can you hear the choir sing
Can you hear their beck and call
Heaven's makin room for Pope John Paul


The passion of the Pope
filling the world with hope
His presence was there
when they tore down the wall
Heaven's makin some room for Pope John Paul

(Repeat verses/chorus)


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Subject: Lyr Add: JOHN PAUL II
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:33 AM

And another special song for Pope John Paul

JOHN PAUL II

Holy Father
Here we gather
John Paul II
We love you (repeat)
Chorus

You're the Roman Pontiff
You're the Vicar of Christ
In the words that you speak to us
And the letters you write
You bring hope to our lives

You're the Shepherd of Bishops
You're the voice of the Church
Your holiness nourishes
All across this earth
You bring hope to our lives

You're the Valiant Defender
Of our beautiful faith
You're the Pilgrim Leader
Of World Youth Day
You bring hope to our lives

© 2003 Lily Productions/Erin Berghouse


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:57 AM

The Pope's own words on Sacred Music

..."The musical tradition of all the Church constitutes a patrimony of inestimable value, which exceeds that of other expressions of art, especially by the fact that sacred song, united to words, is a necessary and integral part of the solemn Liturgy"...

3. On several occasions I have also recalled the valuable function and the great importance of music and of song for more active and intense participation at liturgical celebrations, and I have emphasized the necessity to "purify worship from ugliness of style, from distasteful forms of expression, from uninspired musical texts which are not worthy of the great act that is being celebrated", in order to ensure dignity and integrity of forms to liturgical music.

Another principle ... is that of goodness of form. There can be no music destined for the celebration of the sacred rites that be not first "true art", capable of having that efficacy "which the Church intends to obtain by receiving into her liturgy the art of sounds".

And still such quality by itself is not enough. Liturgical music must indeed comply with its specific requirements: full adherence to the texts that it presents, consonance with the liturgical season and moment to which it is destined, adequate correspondence to the gestures that the rite proposes...

Song and music demanded by the liturgical reform -- it is well to emphasize -- must also respond to the legitimate demands of adaptation and of inculturation. Yet it is clear that every innovation in this delicate area must respect special criteria, such as the search for musical expressions that answer to the necessary involvement of the entire assembly in the celebration and that avoid, at the same time, whatever concession to levity or to superficiality...[T]he sacred sphere of the liturgical celebration must never become a laboratory for experimentation or compositional and performance practices introduced without careful control.



Even so, what style of music was the Pope's personal favorite? Why,Polish folk music of course!

"PHILADELPHIA (AP) - It wasn't a prayer or a blessing or a personal word that cemented Steve Koszelak's connection to the pope - it was music. A Polish drinking song and a Polish tribute to mothers, played out with strings and accordions.

John Paul tapped his fingers and toes as Philadelphia's Polish American String Band, decked out in the full sequin-and-feather regalia they wore for the city's flamboyant Mummers Parade, played for thousands at a general audience at the Vatican in 1998.

The crowd didn't matter, said Koszelak, an accordion player. The group had researched the pope's favorite songs from his Polish homeland, choosing "Sto Lat," a drinking song that was a march, and a slow, melodic religious song that Koszelak said translated as "A Tribute to Mothers."

"As he was leaving, he turned and looked at us and shook his cane like he was doing the Mummers strut," he said. "You could tell he really enjoyed it."


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOD BLESS OUR POPE (Cardinal Wiseman)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 08:03 AM

"Long live the Pope" I've never heard. But "God Bless Our Pope" I can remember - written by Cardinal Wiseman in England back in mid-Victorian times. You need to recognise it in its context, as a hymn for a church in England that was very much under pressure, and held in distrust and contempt by the people in power. In that context I'd suggest it wasn't so much triumphalist as a way of asserting a claim to respect by people not held in much respect by the society in which they lived.

Subsequently things changed. The only times I've heard it sung or quoted it felt a bit tongue in cheek.

Full in the panting heart of Rome
Beneath the apostle's crowning dome,
From pilgrims' lips that kiss the ground
Breathes in all tongues one only sound:
"God Bless our Pope,
God Bless our Pope,
God Bless our Pope,
the great, the good.

The golden roof, the marble walls,
The Vatican's majestic halls
The note redoubles, till it fills
With echoes sweet the seven hills:
"God Bless our Pope..."

Then surging through each hallowed gate,
Where martyrs glory, in peace, await,
It sweeps beyond the solemn plain,
Peals over Alps, across the main:
"God Bless our Pope..."

From torrid south to frozen north,
That wave harmonious stretches forth,
Yet strikes no chord more true to Rome's
Than rings within our hearts and homes:
"God Bless our Pope..."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 05:00 PM

"Sto Lat" - "May you live for a hundreed years", sort of Polish equivalent of "For he's a jolly good fellow" - this page has the words, the notes, and a link to a sound file. Good tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Dave'sWife at work
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 06:17 PM

Wow. I hadn't thought of this hmyn in many years.

I was told by the Nuns back around the time that JP II was touring the USA for the 1st time that it was a hymn written for Pope Pius the the 9th (???) who was the Pope who insituted Papal Infallibility and the doctrine of The Immaculate Conception of Mary. That would make it well before 1908 but that wouldn't be the first time somebody thought a Hymn was older than it really was, would it?

Do I have the right Pope? I recall being told it was about the Pope who who did those things but my memory of Popes prior to one in office at the time my birth is now kinda spotty. I used to know them all in order, but alas.. when one lapses.. you jettison that kind of thing from your memopry so you can stuff in 18 new verses of Skibereen! LOL


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Subject: Long Live the Pope
From: OtherDave
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 06:55 PM

We had very old hymnals at my boarding school (in the late 1960s) and so I have not only heard but sung "Long Live the Pope." It was a favorite of mine, being so out of touch with Vatican II (the song, not me).

I can attest that when John Paul I (not II) was elected, 27 years ago, "Long Live the Pope" was played at a Catholic church in Fairfax, Virginia. The organist (a non-Catholic, as it happens) was the only person to sing it. I could have joined in, but it was all I could do to keep from laughing out loud.

To Dave's wife (not this Dave's), yes, Pius IX was pope at the time of the first Vatican Council (ca 1870), which approved the doctrine of papal infallibility. Pius was also the only Pope in office longer than John Paul II was. The only dogma officially promulgated since then that met the 'solemn magisterium' tests was that of the assumption of Mary, put forth by Pius XII in 1950.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:05 PM

You know how it is Joe...you can't help but love the music of your childhood.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:21 PM

Interesting that "Long Live the Pope" never seems to have made it across the Atlantic. The tune hasn't got the punch of "God Bless Our Pope", which has a great chorus, what with the repeats.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Dave'sWife at Work
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:44 PM

Otherdave - who is NOT my husband..

Thanks. At least something the Nuns beat into me sticks in my memory! However, I still don't believe their claim that 'Long Live The Pope' is about Pius the 9th. I would suggest that all that reverring of his memory has more to do with him advancing Marian causes.

He's a popular Pope with the folks who used to go hang out at St. Robert Bellermine Church in Bayside back when Veronica Leuken AKA Veronica of The Cross what having nightly conversations with an Approtion of The Virgin Mary only she could see and hear. 'The Seer of Bayside" as she was also known loomed large over my adolesence. Some of the wackier members of my family fell under her sway.

What a bizarre time that was - late 70's. We all had to have our long hair shorn cuz our Mums were certain the Son of Sam was gonna shoot every teenage girl with long hair and at the same Veronica Leuken was telling us Russian Subs with Nukes were lurking off the shor of Rockaway Beach. She told us if we didn't say the Rosary enough, theyd launch their missiles at NYC! There must have been LSD in the whole NYC water supply in 1977.


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Subject: RE: a second song tribute to the Pope
From: GUEST,Dr. B.L.T.
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 02:41 PM

I've released a brand new, second song tribute for the Pope, and it's called, "I'll Meet the Pope in Heaven." Like the first one, "Heaven's "Makin' Room for Pope John Paul," it's being released world-wide as a free MP3 download (royalty free to radio stations who faithfully air my songs, and to others who would like to spin one or more). Of course it's available to the general public at no cost whatsoever. I have a day job as a shrink, so I'm not depending on my music for financial support. You can find the new song here:

http://www.drblt.com/freesong.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 04:37 PM

Now, Sinsull, you can't actually say you like "Long Live the Pope," do you?

Actually, I guess I have to admit I love its fully-roasted-on-the-cob corniness - but if I sang it outside of liberal Catholic circles, people would either think I believe it, or they'd burn me at the stake as a sacrilegious heretic. When I was in the seminary, we loved to sing those old corny songs - knowing full well how corny they were.

Sinsull specializes in corny sentimental songs. She sings them straight, enough that it sometimes brings a tear to my eye and then I hate myself for it. But no, I don't think Sinsull buys all that sentimentality. She's a fraud, but that's why I love her.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Conclave
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 09:10 PM

Offer it up!

Long live the Joe!
His praises sound
Again and yet again:
He strives to keep the Mudcat free
Of raucous tongue and pen:
All hail! The Shepherd of the Mud,
The friend of loving song:
Let all the throng of Mudcats sing
And heav'n the strain prolong.

Beleaguered by
By the foes of earth,
Beset by hosts of hell,
He guards the loyal flock of folk,
A watchful sentinel:
And still, amid the din and strife,
The clash of this and that,
He bears alone the Shepherd Staff,
The champion of the Cat.

Then raise the chant,
With heart and voice,
And tapping heel and toe:
"Long live the Shepherd of the Flock!
Long live thenfaithful Joe!"
Almighty Max has blessed his work,
Protect him in his ways,
Receive his prayer, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him length of days!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 10:59 PM

Not bad, Conclave, not bad at all.
Say, by any chance do you have a brother named Convlex?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 11:18 PM

A fraud? Are you hoping to get on my "special" Getaway list, Joe? I love you too and that is the first requirement. o now I have to learn all the verses just to see if anyone dare try to burn me at the stake.

Frank Patterson appeared at a church in Jackson Heights and sang this and "Bring Flowers Of The Fairest". The entire congregation joined in and the church filled with music. It's rare to get Catholics to sing in church. I still think it is more about music of your childhood than anything else.

Veronica of the Cross? Holy Crap! No one believes me when I tell them about this crackpot who led a group of charismatic Catholics. I too had relatives who spoke in tongues, felt angels flying around their homes, and in general were nuts. That is actually cruel. All of them had had near death experiences and horrible losses in their lives which had them clinging to the craziest notions to survive. If this is the same Veronica, she was excommunicated.

There was another group which held vigils in Flushing Meadow Park claiming that the Virgin appeared monthly. A very rare funnel cloud touched down mid-service and killed a woman - proof of the apparition.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 01:55 AM

Sinsull.. the weirdos in Flushing Meadow Park are members of THE BLUE ARMY which is a faction of the late Veronia Lueken's followers. Those nuts in FLushing Meadow are the selfsame nuts that were flocking to her side when she was alive.

I don't believes Leiken was ever formally excommunicated but she and her followers were ordered to stay THE HECK Away from St. Robert Bellermine Church. Her visions were also never deemed authentic. Parishoners were cautioned most strongly that her teachings were based on private revelations to HER from the Virgin Mary and as such, no Catholic is compelled to believe them. The Church holds that private revelation happens but Cathloics are not required to accept them as true unless deemed so by the Church. Hers were investigated thoroughly and deemed to be at serious odds with Church Dogma. One of the basic tenents of Private Revelation is that authentic revelations never clash with establish dogma. Hers not only clashed, they labeled the Pope to be in league with the devil. What a gal that Veronica!

After getting booted out of the Church yard where they were for some time, they moved to a highway Median across the street. After Community protest they got ousted from there as well. Ever since then, they have held their vigils in Flushing Meadow park. They can bee seen their on many Holy days, on the anniversary of Veronica's death and any other time they feel like having a parade. There are several websites that sell Veronicania. There is a push to get her Canonised which is funny because her people don't accecpt any of the last 4 popes.

Veronica of the Cross is what her followers call her. The Seer of Bayside is what the press dubbed her. Many of of her followers have recently become aligned with the Sedevacantsists.. that subsector of the Catholic lunatic fringe that believes that Pope John who led Vatican II was a Usurper to the Papacy and and part of the Devil's plan. They call catholics who accept his papcy 'Rancellites' since his name was Rancelli. The "evils of Vatican II" figured prominently in Veronicas daily conversations with the Virgin Mary. Their literatiure sometimes quotes Hutton Gbson, Mel's pappy.

I could write a BOOK about what I know of that scene. It was one of the wackiest bunch of conspiracy theorists I have ever met. Sadly, some members of my family feel deep under sway. I too have stories to tell. I got dragged kicking and screaming to 'prayer meetings' and 'Traditonal Catholic' services. Oh my, could I write the book!

I think lunatic fringe catholisism is just part of growing up in an Irish or Italian household in NYC. It's always there. The only question is whether or not anybody in your family circle was involved. In our cases, they were. As a result, I could burn your ear about this for many hours. We should probably talk since we share the common experience of being raised in NYC Irish households.

Getting back to the subject at hand, the song, Long Live The Pope... I have never heard it sung anywhere outside of Catholic School in the 70's. By the time JP II was elected, we had just had all of our beloved folk hymns tossed out of the hymnal as weel and were forced to sing only 'appoved' folk hymns which translated to anything written by Brothery Gregory Norbet of Weston Priory. I liked his music very much but I lost a lot of my interest in the music Ministry after the purged ou songbook of alleged 'protestant' influence in 1978. I am no longer a Catholic by the way.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 02:25 AM

Ah, the good old Sedevacantists. I guess they're right - at least for a couple of weeks, the Papal Chair will be vacant. Interesting group. They'd be really funny, if only they didn't take themselves so seriously. Lots of this crazy stuff is very colorful and interesting, not to mention darn good folklore - it's just too bad that so many people can't take it with at least a bit of humor.

I think it's possible (and healthy) to hold onto those rich old traditions and superstitions and corny songs and yucky saint stories, as long as we're not dogmatic about it. I always thought it was cool that Grandma would say a prayer to St. Anthony when she lost something - but even when I found the missing item, she'd give the credit to old Anthony. Same with burying a St. Joseph statue upside down in your garden if you want to sell your house, not that I've ever done it.

-Joe Offer, who has always found humor in his Catholicism-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM

Doesn't just about everybody call in St Anthony when they lose things? Seems to me one of those things that has spread beyond Catholics, the way crossing yourself has for (soccer) footballers brought on as substitutes.

"It's rare to get Catholics to sing in church." That's a generalisation too far. These things vary place to place and church to church, and even within particular churches - different Mass times can have radically different types of congregation. The same way that what's a tranquil pub where you can do the crossword at some times of day can become a virtual riot at others.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 07:34 AM

I was wrong. I went and checked and Veronica Leuken was indeed excommunicated as was her mentor and fellow 'Seer' Marie van Hoof of the Necadah apparitions. I also found some very interesting info on exactly who has the authority to deem any apparition 'approved.' It is the presiding Bishop in every case. In the case of Veronica Leuken, every bishop that has held office in the area where those apparitions allegedly took place has condemned them and her. My relatives are fond of telling me that 'well, ROME has not yet spoken on the subject' as if that means the Jury is still out. According to Catholic Canon Law, Rome never ever speaks on the subject unless the apparitions have been approved by the governing bishop. Therefore, Rome never will speak on the Bayside nutcases.

Like Joe Offer, I am always somewhat amused by the wackier aspects of Catholicism. My family was quite torn though between Jesuit pragmatism and the huge rise in catholic mysticism in the 1970s.

A similar pattern of conflict emerged in many of the parishes touched by these power struggles between local miracle workers/prophets and the Clergy. I saw the Folk Masses I used to participate in regularly as a musician get sacrificed in the purge of the late 70s. One reason given was that the schismatic Catholics were clearly associated with the Folk Movement and parishes in conflict needed to make it clear that there was no connection between the official Liturgy and the Charismatic Prayer meetings being offered up as an alternative to Mass attendance.

What was annoying about that is that the folks pushing for a move to speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing, etc., were relative latecomers to the Catholic Folk Music Scene. Those of us who were active in the Music Ministry never encouraged conflict with the Church authorities but in the end, our songbooks were purged and only 'approved folk hymns' were left and the core of our Folk mass attendees drifted away from the scheduled Folk Mass. Eventually it got canned altogether.

In the Church where I was raised, it is rare that there is ever music during Mass now because they ripped out the old Pipe Organ, installed a dinky little electric organ and the one mass where they do have an organist is rarely attended by more than the Priest and five elderly ladies! The majority of Mass celebrants apparently prefer a 40 minute mass without music to the beep-beep sound of that dumb little organ. I've been around enough the NYC parishes to know that this change is somewhat universal. Therefore, indeed, it is rare to hear Catholics singing in Church any more.

Still, I have very fond memories of the 1970s and the truly beautiful liturgical Music we made then. It was a joyous time and a joyful noise. I once typed out a long comment about the Catholic Folk Movement and it's eventual decline in another thread only to have my computer crash after hitting submit!

I'm sure I am not the only Mudcatter who remembers with fondness the sound of 20 guitars and two hundred voices raised in song. It was a wonderfully hopeful and spiritual time in my life. My sister still toils in the Catholic Music Ministry with her 12 string, but she's the only guitarist in her Parish and she has to fight every week to be permitted to sing anything beyond 4 or 5 'approved' songs.


For an interesting discussion of Veronica and Sede Vancantism.. CLICK HERE

My fave prophecy of Veronica's is called 'The Ball of Redemption' which is a Meteor she said will strike the earth if Catholics didn;t refrain from taking communion in the hand and if women wouldn't start wearing veils to Church again. so many of her messages from 'Mary' were concerned with things like this. There's even a huge long one threatening us all with annihilition because of Off-the-shoulder wedding gowns.

It's too bad I didn't tag along more often as a kid to those rallies she had. Maybe I could have asked her to talk to Mary about making a similar threat if the Folk masses weren't reinstituted!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 01:01 PM

Burying Saint Joseph upside down? I missed tha one. But I did witness the inauguration of Our Lady of the Bathtub.

In Buffalo, most Polish Catholics had grottoes on their front lawns containing a virgin. One day I drove by a house that had an old claw foot bathtub on the lawn and what looked like a grave dug next to it. Over a week's time, the tub was inserted vertically into the hole and the Virgin into the round end of the tub. She was forever after known as Our Lady of the Bathtub.

In truth, I envy anyone, even the charismatic crazies, who find peace in their religious beliefs. However, I object to being recruited. And Veronica's followers were the only Catholics I ever came across wo systematically tracked down and collared "fallen" Catholics and threatened hell and damnation and bad teeth if they refused to re-join. Far more aggressive than JWs and a bit spooky/creepy in their superstitions.

Joe - I have been asked by a newbie if you and I are a couple. This teasing has to stop.
Mary


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 01:01 PM

Horses for courses, as they say. Our part of the world "folk Masses" have always been very much the official line. Not exclusively I mean, but more often than not it's guitars and maybe tambourines for Mass.   Mind you, real folk music is a bit rarer. You don't get too many banjos and fiddles.

In fact the older hymns and music are much more appropriately labelled as folk music, not just stylistcally, but the way they are used, with people putting down the hymnn books and singing away, because they know the words already.

The only other times that happens is with Christmas Carols, and with   Taize chants.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 03:50 AM

Mary, you may tell the newbie that Joe is happily married to a woman named Christina, but he also thinks that Sinsull is a downright wonderful person.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:35 PM

Joseph Cardinal Rap Singer, did I hear them say?

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:12 PM

So, what WAS that band playing while they were all chanting Long live Pope Benedict? Was it 'Long Live The Pope'?? You couldn't tell because the band was drowned out by the chanting.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:19 PM

I doubt very much if it would have been that one. More likely this - the Vatican national anthem Or perhaps Verdi?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,hesko@aol.com
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 02:25 PM

For those who wish to sing this hymn today,
the "600 million voices sing" can be re-worded
"One Billion Catholic voices sing, the glory of his throne."
Let's sing it with gusto!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: OtherDave
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 03:27 PM

So, Pope Benedict has his first day in the office. The secretary-monsignor rushes in. "Holy Father! I have good news, and I have bad news..."

Of course, this has been an eventful week, and so the pope asks to have the good news first.

"Holy Father -- Our Savior has returned to earth, just as the scriptures foretold! He's on the phone -- line two -- and He wants to talk to YOU!"

The pope says a quick prayer of thanksgiving, and, as he reaches for the phone, asks the monsignor to tell him the bad news. (How bad can it be?)

"Oh, Holy Father -- He's calling from Salt Lake City."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Camilo
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 06:25 PM

Regarding "Full in the panting heart of Rome" ("God Bless Our Pope")- it's still sung at St Helen's Catholic Church, Hoveton, Norfolk, along with all the old hymns to Our Lady and "Faith of Our Fathers". Just in case you think they're stuck in the 19th century they've got a good website too! Regards to all, Camilo.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 10:02 PM

Faith of our fathers living still
In spite of dungeon fire and sword...

Yeah Joe, I love that one too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 10:08 PM

"Faith of Our Fathers" is quite popular in many protestant circles as well, though without the Marian verse which, one hopes, they still sing in Hoveton. There is also a sacred parody, "Faith of Our Mothers", as well as the requisite inclusivisation of the original, "Faith of Our Forebears". I see the 1992 USA Mennonite Hymnal: A Worship Book gives "Faith of the Martyrs" (otherwise generally following a demarianised Faber).

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:27 AM

We had quite a thread on Faith of Our Fathers quite a while back. Some of the more militant iterations sound darned impolite, but the modern text has been toned down. It's not one of my favorites, but I don't mind singing it.
How's that for a half-hearted endorsement, Mary?

    Faith of our fathers, Mary's prayers
    Shall win our country back to Thee;
    And through the truth that comes from God,
    England shall then indeed be free.


Now, if you were an Anglican, what would YOU think of that verse? Not really a good verse for interfaith diplomacy, I'd say.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:36 AM

Well, if one takes "Faith of our fathers" as Faber meant it, i.e. as Roman Catholicism, you're right, Joe, but if one takes it as meaning simply Christianity, then only the most ardently antimarian would be offended. Of course, it might surprise Faber that Mary's prayers should bring anyone around to a non-Roman faith, but I suspect the "historical Mary"* would find such a notion no more confusing and amazing than, say, the history of the Rosary or Lourdes or Fatima; or the doctrine of the Virgin Birth, let alone Assumption or Immaculate Conception. Probably less so.

Haruo

*mother of the "historical Jesus"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 12:06 PM

I don't know if they still sing it this way in Ireland:

Faith of our fathers, Mary's prayers
Shall keep our country true to Thee;
And through the truth that comes from God,
Ireland shall then indeed be free.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Pogo
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 08:27 PM

Yeah...I find the prospect of the Savior appearing in SLC downright terrifying too ^_^

very interesting song by-the-by and a very interesting thread about Catholicism in general. About the St. Anthony thing on a completely random sidenote I remember hearing about some sort of little verse that went

" St. Anthony, St. Anthony please come around
Something is lost and cannot be found "


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Kaleea
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:47 AM

Thanks! I rather enjoyed watching the "inauguration" on TV. They showed us close up shots we'd never be able to see, but the broadcaster had to talk all the time & I was really wanting to hear the Latin singing & experience the whole service, so I went to the Vatican online & got it live! I realize that some folks want to know what's going on, but analyzing talking all the time was just too much for me! They had a lady with a marvelous soft & Musical voice translate the new Pope's homily for us. It was a beautiful service! Oh, yeah--& I'm not "a" Catholic, either. I'm a Musician who has enjoyed being a church Musician for a variety of flavors of churches. However, in the true meaning of the term, I am of a somewhat "Catholic" (or universal) heart & mind. But then, wasn't that sorta what the new "Poppa" was saying?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 10:57 PM

RE: St. Anthony... I used to have a few Pet Medals that had St. Francis on one side and St. Anthony on the other. You put them on your Pet's collar to cover all bases. I thought they were common enough but when I put one up on Ebay, it went for about $35 American.

So, is St. Christopher back on the roll call now or what? I sold a medal of his from the 1930's for a small fortune on Ebay. It had illustrations of a car & aeroplane that were appropriate for the Era and it was purchased by a retired Priest.

That burying of St. Joseph statues to help sell a house was, when I was small, considered a largely Italian tradition. As I have gotten older, I have heard of it being done by many people, but none of my Irish family members believe in the ritual. They also are not big into St. Anthony. The Infant of Prague yes, St. Anthony.. no. I have no idea why.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:29 PM

Hi, Wife of Dave -

St. Christopher is no longer an official saint in the Roman Catholic Church. Still, he's a well-loved legend, and I'm sure his medals are selling just as well as they ever have.

I was in an Orthodox church in Lindos on the Isle of Rhodes a couple of years ago, admiring the icons on the walls. There was a line of saints on the wall of the nave, with the last image a donkey with a halo - yup, St. Christopher, who bore the Christ Child like a beast of burden would.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope-Holy Christbearer
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 02:17 AM

a man from a foreign land was messiahbearer, little we know about him.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Matthew Wright
Date: 17 May 06 - 09:14 AM

"Full in the Panting Heart of Rome" was not merely written reflecting the state of the Catholic Church in this county but also to reflect the Political situation in Europe as well. With the Italian Revolutions the Holy Father was a "Prisoner in the Vatican" as the Papal states had been confiscated by the newly formed republic. This was a worry for Catholics throughout the world and was only resolved by a concordat with Mussolini. A reflection of this situation can be seen before Urbe et Orbe when the Swiss Guards play the Vatican National Anthem written by Gounod and put to the fantastic O felex Roma is played by the Italian Army and the Swiss guards play the Italian Anthem. Cardinal Wiseman with his Spanish and Irish origins was well aware of the situation of Catholics across Europe and wrote accordingly.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 03:59 PM

Does anyone have birth and death years for:
1) Mgsr Hugh T Henry
2) H G Ganss?

Thanks
LDM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 04:21 AM

I recently acquired a copy of the St. Michael Hymnal, a full-fledged hardbound hymnal published by a local Catholic parish, St. Boniface in Lafayette, Indiana, which contains "Long Live the Pope". Sorry I don't have those dates, GUEST.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: An Army of Youth
From: GUEST,Dee Olson
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 11:58 AM

I am looking for the lyrics of an old song we sang in Grade School called An Army of Youth or Army of Youth, can ayone help me with this


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Subject: ADD: An Army of Youth
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 12:32 PM

Oh, gee...
That was the theme song of the Catholic Students' Mission Crusade, with headquarters at Crusade Castle, Cincinnati, Ohio.

Here's what I remember:
    An army of youth bearing the standards of truth
    We're fighting for Christ the Lord
    da da-da high, Catholic Action our Cry
    And the Cross our only sword!

I was President of our local chapter at De Sales Preparatory Seminary. You'd think I would remember the whole thing.
I'll keep looking.

-Joe-
Oh, I see I had posted a fragment above, when my memory was better. Here's the whole thing:

An Army of Youth

An army of youth
Flying the standards of truth,
We're fighting for Christ, the Lord.
Heads lifted high,
Catholic Action our cry,
And the Cross our only sword.
On earth's battlefield
Never a vantage we'll yield.
As dauntlessly on we swing
Comrades true, dare and do
'Neath the Queen's white and blue,
For our flag, for our faith,
For Christ the King.
Christ lifts His hands,
The King commands; challenge, 'Come and follow me.'

From ev'ry side,
With eager stride,
We form in the lines of victory.
Let foemen lurk,
And laggards shirk,
We throw our fortunes to the Lord
Mary's Son,
Till the world is won,
WE have pledged you our loyal word.
'An army of youth'

[Daniel Lord, S.J. The Queens Work, St. Louis, MO, 1932]

Source: a speech by Fred Moleck, Ph.D. at the Notre Dame Center for Liturgy
Now, I knew this as the theme song for the Catholic Students' Mission Crusade (fondly known as C.S.M.C because Catholics have always loved acronyms). However, the Jesuit America Magazine (Dec 12, 2005) says that the author, Father Daniel Lord, SJ, was director of the Sodality of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and wrote the song as an anthem for the Sodality:
    An Army of Youth

    Shortly after his ordination, Lord somewhat unwillingly commenced the work that would frame nearly his entire ministry, becoming director of the Jesuit-sponsored Sodality of the Blessed Virgin Mary in 1925. The sodality, which began as a loose network of student-based charitable and devotional groups often headquartered at Jesuit educational institutions, expanded dramatically under Lord?s leadership, claiming over two million members at its high point. Though it was labeled a ?dying organization? before his involvement, Lord quickly set to work on a national plan for expansion, beginning with a revival of the sodality?s magazine. The magazine grew to become a major tool for catechesis and evangelization and had an impact on students of nearly every Catholic school in the nation. Lord?s creativity enveloped every aspect of the movement, including his drafting of the theme song, ?For Christ the King,? which began, ?An army of youth flying the standards of Truth, We?re fighting for Christ the Lord. Heads lifted high, Catholic Action our cry, And the Cross our only sword.? Many Catholics who were in school near mid-century can still recall the tune and its lyrics. Remaining national director of the sodality until 1948, Lord was the chief architect of its growth, the organizational and creative force behind what at one time was the most significant movement of American Catholic youth.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: ClaireBear
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 02:10 PM

Oh, that is simply dreadful, Joe!

I'm Episcopalian now, but back when I was still RC my bete noir was "Sons of God, Hear His Holy Word." Eeeew. Do you still sing that one (at the risk of asking a question to which there is no correct answer)?

I always liked "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name," though.

I think the reason I never much liked the Catholic church music I grew up with is that although it went along at plodding paces, not much of it was in the minor keys that I prefer for solemn tunes. The only exception I can think of offhand is "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence," which had a great tune but unfortunate words. The French folk hymn from which the tune was borrowed, which I think was called "Jesus Christ déguis en pauvre," had much more interesting lyrics (but I can't find them to post them -- at least not the version I used to know).

Claire


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 08:37 PM

Hi, Claire-
Thankfully, James Thiem's "Sons of God" (1966) was dead by 1980 - as was its publisher, F.E.L. Publications (Friends of the English Liturgy, which sued a number of Catholic insitutions for copyright infringement and won, but lost its customer base).

Early on, this song was recognized as one of the worst of the "folk mass" songs, even worse than singing Christianized versions of "Bridge Over Troubled Water," "Joy to the World" (Jeremiah was a prophet, Moses was a prophet too), and various Neil Diamond songs. When I was in the seminary, we would sing in a nasally voice,
    Sons of God, hear his holy word,
    Gather 'round the table of the Lord;
    Eat His Body, drink His blood,
    And we'll all be cannibals,
    Hallelu, hallelu, hallelu, halleluia.

I thought the next generation of modern Catholic songs was pretty good - St. Louis Jesuits and Cary Landry and the like. Most used scriptural texts, so the lyrics didn't tend to be as insipid as the first "folk Mass" songs.
The current generation is dominated by the "H's" - Marty Haugen, David Haas, and Bob Hurd. All three can write very good stuff, but Haugen and Haas get into singer-songwriter mode occasionally and can get a bit weird. Hurd is the least successful of the three, but I like him very much - he often uses traditional melodies from America and the British Isles.
As you can see from this google search (click) Haugen and Haas really raise the ire of the ultraconservatives - this page and this (inactive) page are quite strong in their expression of distaste.
If Haugen and Haas stick to scriptural lyrics, they're pretty good. When they lapse into feelgood pop psychology and cloying political correctness, I lose interest. Of the three, Haas can be the worst, because he lapses into singer-songwriter mode at the drop of a holy card. I've always found Hurd's taste to be very good.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 08:43 PM

Holy God we praise thy name
Lord of all we bow before thee
All on earth thy sceptre claim
All in heaven above adore thee
Infinite thy great domain
Everlasting it is thy name(fame?)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 09:02 PM

Was anyone else a Tarcisian? Red beanies? Red ties? First Friday mass?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 01:38 AM

I was first exposed to "Sons of God" just as I was leaving Christianity for I wasn't sure what, in high school, when the Children's Choir (most of whom were too young to have taken communion let alone to have contemplated the difference between the Real Presence, Transubstantiation, and Anthropophagy (sounds so much more theological than "cannibalism" ;-)) that my kid sister was in sang it before communion in the Presbyterian church we attended. I found it creepy. Incidentally, it is (in translation of course) in the 2001 Esperanto hymnal Adoru, more or less unattributed, I think (I'll look it up when I get home, I'm at work), so your hopes about the effect of FEL's demise may only be justified in the English-speaking world. I don't think it's any better a "hymn" in Esperanto than in English. But it may have had some subliminal effect on my subsequent return to the fold, if only by preparing my mind to appreciate the scriptural qualities of Stranger in a Strange Land.

Fwiw, SINSULL, the Cyberhymnal gives the final couplet of "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name" as

Infinite Thy vast domain,
Everlasting is Thy reign.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Haruo
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 04:22 AM

Okay, here's the Esperanto version of "Sons of God", Aŭdu, fil'. The end notes indicate that it was of unknown origin, and that the editors of Adoru had taken it from two earlier sources, Restu kun ni (i.e. Abide with us, 1991, published by the Czech branch of the International Catholic Union of Esperantists (IKUE)), and Ni vivu kiel eble plej bele (i.e. Let's live as beautifully as possible, 1985, published by something called the "pola animzorgado de esperantistoj", i.e. "Polish soulcaretaking of Esperantists", whatever that is in normal English). Adoru (as you can see) gives five stanzas, and places it in a section of the hymnal entitled "Service and Responsibility" (or perhaps "Stewardship" in this context). The translation is completely devoid of the cannibalistic overtones of the original, and indeed it isn't even clear that the eating and drinking are ritual, i.e. Eucharist; a rough, fairly literal, retranslation of the refrain:

Hear, son, God's word now,
the Father's love calls you to embrace.
Eat, drink in concord,
love according to Jesus' word.
Hallelu- hallelu- hallelu- hallelujah!

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,TheCassockedCatInTheBlackPoofballHat
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 01:54 AM

Found that little ditty yesterday in an Old Hymnal with other older books and found this on a google search, just goes to show we've always had the Lame and Corny in every age "Long Live the Pope" and "Good Night Sweet Jesus" back then and "Gather us in" and "Gift of Finest Wheat" today.

Blessings on the Feast of Saint Bernard
Abbot and Doctor of the Church


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Subject: RE: "Mother Beloved " by Fr. Daniel A. Lord, S.J.
From: GUEST,Fr. Jim Creighton, S.J.
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 02:12 AM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 03:52 AM

I haven't been able to find any hymnals with the sappiest of old-time Catholic hymns. I have the Pius X Hymnal and the St. Gregory Hymnal, but, for the most part, they have reasonably decent music. When I was in the seminary in the early 1960s, we had a maroon paperback hymnal that had some of those hymns, but I can't remember the title of the hymnal. The Milwaukee Archdiocese banned a number of the songs in that hymnal because they were either bad music or bad theology.
I wish I knew the names of some of those hymnals. This 1910 St. Mark's Hymnal certainly has some sappy stuff. Oh, and here's another: Holy Face Hymnal by the Sisters of Mercy of Providence, Rhode Island, 1891.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr Add: Which One's the Pope
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 28 Apr 18 - 03:55 AM

If there's a "Pope" song thread I couldn't find it:

Which One's the Pope?
(To the tune of Istanbul/Not Constantinople)
The Meddling Catholics

Benedict he was the Pope.
Now he's retired
and Frankie's the Pope.
They both live in Rome
and answer to “Pope.”
They both dress in white.
Something's not quite right.

When the mail comes in
it's addressed to the Pope.
They both raise their hands
for the envelope.
It seems we're sliding
down a slippery slope.
There simply cannot be two Popes!

Benedict was old, so he said he must step down.
Five years later, he's still kickin'.
Drinkin' beer & eatin' fried chicken.

Tell me again,
which one is the Pope?
Surely not the Jesuit.
He is a dope.
He covers up the priests
who fancy a grope.

He was raised to the chair by evil men.
From a little mafia called “St. Gallen.”

I'm still confused.
Which one is the Pope?
You say: “It doesn't really matter.”
I say: “Nope!”
There was a reason Jesus gave us a Pope.
To keep out heresy, not ask it in for tea.

When Cardinals come
to visit the Pope.
The Pope takes them by
to visit the Pope.
Pope Ben says:
“Frankie's my kind of Pope.”
It's like a papal kaleidescope.

Frankie seems so nice a Latino teddy bear.
But when you wipe away that pig's lipstick,
he's a ruthless, two-bit heretic!

Tell me again,
which one is the Pope?
When you ask Benny if it's him,
He says: “Nope.”
But still he clings to a spurious hope
That two men can simultaneously
exercise the Petrine Ministry.

Which one's the Pope?

The Meddling Catholics


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Which One's the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Apr 18 - 04:02 AM

Yeah, this deal of having two obviously-fallible popes is driving the sedevacantists crazy. The writers of this song seem to be pretty close to the rigid ideology of the sedevacantists. I think Frankie and Benny enjoy admitting their fallibility and having cardinals declare them heretical...

They may not be perfect but I sure appreciate the fact that they acknowledge their imperfections.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Which One's the Pope
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 28 Apr 18 - 02:29 PM

So when the blue bird of internet happiness started to shit on the church, John Paul's Rottweiler barked like hell if I'm gonna tweet!

140 characters everyday just ain't enough, I'm more like 140000 characters every six months type of guy - so put me in a nice quite corner where I can think and hire a some new guy for these smart phone idiots.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 28 Apr 18 - 08:57 PM

Perhaps this is not an appropriate place to link to Martin Pearson's The Pope Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-42z68A44Gg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Apr 18 - 01:44 AM

Great song, Gerry. Wish I understood enough to be able to transcribe it. It's a parody of Gloria Gaynor's 1978 disco hit I Will Survive.

"I'm the shepherd, you're supposed to be the sheep..."

It's a bit easier to take than Tim Minchin's Pope Song...Although there are times when I think the Minchin song might apply quite appropriately to John Paul II.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope
From: goatfell
Date: 29 Apr 18 - 09:14 AM

A song for the DUP


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 06 May 18 - 06:09 AM

OK, I've transcribed Martin Pearson's song. There are a few places where he breaks the song to make jokes, I haven't transcribed those bits. No guarantees that I got everything right.

The Pope Song
Martin Pearson
(To the tune of I Will Survive)

Once I was the Pope I was sanctified
Kept thinking I could never live without God by my side
But I spent oh so many nights just thinking how I'd get along
And I grew strong, and I knew Nietzsche had been wrong

So now He's back. God is not dead
I just woke up to find this big old Jewish voice inside my head
I said why had you forsaken us? Was it some kind of test?
He said today's the eighth day and I've had a lovely rest

So join my church, do as I say
With the Catholics you can break a dozen sins in half a day
There's masturbation, contraception, which will help the Church with breeding
Sloth and lust and greed and anger and of course the big one, speeding

Once the Church was strong categorically
We made our home in Rome when no one bothered Italy
Now I spend my precious time making laws for you to keep
Don't forget I'm the shepherd, you're supposed to be the sheep

And now you're back, just when you please
It's such a casual communion you think wafers grow on trees
I should have made you take a vow, I should have made you sign a form
With my laws on contraception it was me who got you born

So now just go, get off my faith
Just turn around now, you're not welcome any place
I tried to teach you God's new laws, tried to teach you them with zeal
It might have been much quicker to train the Papal seal

And now I'm back from being shot
I look as lively as I've ever done which doesn't say a lot
But I showed those doubting Thomases who thought I could be hurt
I'm the world's best male role model in a full-length satin skirt

But I'm still back to steal the show
I'm not the pooped out little Pontiff that your granny used to know
I can kiss the dirt all over 'cause my touring roster's full
I can make a saint a fortnight, I can talk the Papal Bull

I am a rock, I will survive
As long as I can hum a hymn I know I'm still alive
I may not be the best Pope but at least I'm not the worst
And I know that in comparison to Pope John Paul the First

I will survive.


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