BS: 10,000 arrested in US today

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: GUEST,dilbert
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 02:45 AM

This is NOT a conservative-liberal issue. Alex Jones, Christian Conservative, has been talking about this for years. Government crackdown. Militias. Camps. It's a BI-partisan effort. I have no doubt that Hillary or whatever Dems sleazes through will do the same thing, in a different way.

Order Martial Law, from Infowars, watch it, make free copies.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 01:45 PM

Yep.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 11:50 PM

Still ignoring both you guys.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:15 AM

So sorry. I'm ignoring you, too.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 06:49 AM

Brucie,

have you understood why I have laughed about 20 Apr 05 - 02:48 PM's post? I guess not from your reaction.

Don't you laugh about a post telling someone else they still ignore them? If that was true (ignoring) there would be no post about it. The fact that there is that post contradicts its content. That's why I did laugh.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 03:37 PM

And no one--even when they heard about the camps--could believe it. Certainly not from a country that had produced such great music, art, theatre, medicine, physics and philosophy.

They believe it now?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 03:29 PM

That funny, W?

They too said, "It can't happen here." Guess what?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 03:26 PM

Wolfgang,

"The three major camps in the Nazi concentration camp system in Germany were Dachau, Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald. Dachau was the first Nazi concentration camp in the state of Bavaria. Located just outside Munich, it was opened on March 22, 1933, less than two months after Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany. Also in 1933, another camp was built at Oranienburg, 35 kilometers north of Berlin. The Oranienburg camp was rebuilt in 1936 and named Sachsenhausen. Buchenwald was built just outside the city of Weimar in 1937, and its first prisoners were transferred there from Sachsenhausen.

All three of these camps were built to imprison the opponents of Fascism and all three were located in areas which were hotbeds of Communist and Social Democrat political activity."

Your countrymen and women thaough this was bullshit, too.

LOL--I think not. Good try.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 03:05 PM

I do continue to ignore you because you do not deal with the issue. (20 Apr 05 - 02:48 PM )

LOL    Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 02:48 PM

I do continue to ignore you because you do not deal with the issue. Note that I started an anti-Canada thread. Have you posted there yet?


I want to address the camps and potential crime.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 01:45 PM

And I have given you a reason for the camps, which you continue to ignore...

"Jus' a little remider that bad things do happen, some of them with malice and aforethought. "

Agreed, and why do you insist that only the US is doing them? Perhaps the actions of other countries, and the UN, such as Dubar, would qualify, if you want to address current rathert than potential crimes?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 07:24 PM

Jus' a little remider that bad things do happen, some of them with malice and aforethought.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 07:20 PM

"The three major camps in the Nazi concentration camp system in Germany were Dachau, Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald. Dachau was the first Nazi concentration camp in the state of Bavaria. Located just outside Munich, it was opened on March 22, 1933, less than two months after Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany. Also in 1933, another camp was built at Oranienburg, 35 kilometers north of Berlin. The Oranienburg camp was rebuilt in 1936 and named Sachsenhausen. Buchenwald was built just outside the city of Weimar in 1937, and its first prisoners were transferred there from Sachsenhausen.

All three of these camps were built to imprison the opponents of Fascism and all three were located in areas which were hotbeds of Communist and Social Democrat political activity."

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:46 PM

OK, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 12:47 PM

Sorry, but I can't confirm any of the alleged renovations. I have heard that one of the Japanese internment camps in California (Manzanar, I think) was being "renovated" as a memorial.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 10:20 AM

Yep. And lotsa renovations on others. Back to you. So why?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:11 AM

To address a couple of the places mentioned in one of the links above:

The "camp" at Ft. Stanton, New Mexico is a minimum-security lock-up for juvenile offenders on the grounds of an old Indian bording school. It is small, ramshackle, and has no fence around it. Holloman AFB hasn't been "taken over" by the German Air Force (aka Luftwafe), but the Germans do a lot of training there...there isn't a lot of empty territory in Germany to do high-speed, low-altitude flying. They pay their own costs, so why shouldn't they do construction if they want to? I was at Eglin AFB last month. Yes, it's big, if you include the satellite facilities...so what?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 08:03 AM

So why does this thread remind me of Shambles' fight against all evil in Mudcat?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:50 PM

Camps.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 02:41 PM

PS

I started a thread entitled, "Bad things Canada has done."

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 02:35 PM

The question still remains: Why so many camps?

PS This thread IS about US actions. If you wish to scatter the argument, if you choose to go after Canada, start a thread for that purpose. Your tactic isn't working here.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 12:39 PM

Canada is not trying to take over the world. The USA is.

Camps. Think camps.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 11:36 AM

"bb - all of your posts pale in comparison to the fact that the U.S. is using Napalm and other chemical weapons in Iraq."


dianavan,

PLEASE try to get your facts straight- WHAT chemical weapons are being used? Naplam is NOT a chemical weapon.... It is an incendiary.

All of my post are in reply to brucie telling me to find something opther than the asbestos that Canada can be criticized for.

Are you saying that the items I posted are OK? Or NOW do you say that only US actions shopuld be discussed?

When I brought up the actions of the terrorists, you stated that you had no control over them, and would only complain about US actions- WELL? How about Canada?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 11:07 AM

PS,

The camps will eventually be used for your neighbours. All Bush has to do is give an EO. Think about that. The USA with camps. Prison camps. Detention camps. What's next? Extermination camps?

Have a nice day.



Robomatic,

Ginger Beer is nowt compared to Spruce Beer.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:34 AM

BB,

The New Left Foundation has subverted me. My job has been to tie you up on this thread so that you leave the Democracy thread alone. So far, the NLF is getting their money's worth.

PS The US is trying to dominate the world. You people are being used by the NWO gang of Neocons. Look to your rear.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 03:31 AM

bb - all of your posts pale in comparison to the fact that the U.S. is using Napalm and other chemical weapons in Iraq.

Canada is not perfect but at least it values transparency.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 02:07 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/03/amnestyreport041003.html

and of course, Canada is working to ban asbestos exposure for it's own citizens...

"Asbestos is sectioned into two groups according to its crystalline structure. The amphibole group includes: amosite, crocidolite, anthophyllite, tremolite, and actinolite. The serpentine group includes: chrysotile. Chrysotile is still mined and manufactured in Canada. 95% of Canadian chrysotile is exported to developing countries."

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:59 AM

brucie-

"Some vibrant and healthy democracy you have there. "

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:56 AM

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/mar1999/can-m24.shtml

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:53 AM

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/worldbrief/north_america_records.php?code=188



and ... from Highlights of the Youth Criminal Justice Act

"Youth courts are empowered to impose an adult sentence after a youth is found guilty, thereby eliminating the need to transfer cases to adult court.
The age for the presumption of an adult sentence for the most serious offences is lowered to 14. However, provinces will have increased flexibility on the age at which this presumption will apply within their own jurisdictions.
Offences that carry a presumption of an adult sentence are extended to include a pattern of serious and repeated violent offences.
Publication of the identity of an offender is permitted if an adult sentence is imposed, or if a youth sentence is imposed for an offence that carries a presumption of adult sentence (unless the judge decides publication is inappropriate). Publication is permitted only after a young person has been found guilty. "

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:43 AM

But first a new report that says Canada is lagging behind other countries in dealing with prison drug addiction. The report is being released today and its findings are endorsed by the Ontario Medical Association. Ralf Jurgens is the lead author of the report and the Executive Director of the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network. He was in our Ottawa studio today.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:39 AM

The Government of Canada had acknowledged particular responsibilities for tragic physical and sexual abuse of Aboriginal children in many residential schools, the delegation said; it had committed $350 million to develop the independently run Aboriginal Healing Foundation to support healing initiatives for individuals, families, and communities dealing with the legacy of abuse in residential schools. The Government was committed to resolving liabilities for claims of those who suffered abuse; its preference was to resolve these claims outside the courtroom; the Government did not consider it useful at this point to carry out a public inquiry, and thought it would be very difficult to ensure that survivors were not re-victimized or traumatized by such a process.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:37 AM

While we are sceptical about there being any redeeming value in
incarceration, we are particularly concerned about the following facts:

    * At 123 per 100,000 of the population, Canada's incarceration rate
      is higher than most "western democracies". While still far below
      the United States (682), it is above countries such as Austria
      (86), France (88), and Scotland (119). Germany's rate is 96, and
      Norway's is only 57 out of every 100,000 citizens. On any given
      day there are 30,000 prisoners in Canadian jails.

    * Of the approximately 13,000 prisoners held in federal prisons in
      1998, about 2,100 (or 16%) were Native. In 1999-2000, this figure
      rose to over 17%. First Nations women, who were 18% of the total
      number of woman prisoners in the federal system in 1981, were 27%
      of the total by 2002. First Nations people only comprise 2.8
      percent of the general population. In Manitoba, Saskatchewan and
      Alberta, Native people make up approximately 45% of the federal
      prison population; accounting for over 50% of the prison
      population in some penitentiaries. In Saskatchewan, for example,
      Native people are incarcerated at a rate 35 times higher than
      non-Native people. (Source: Correctional Services Canada website)

    * A very high rate of women are in prison for protecting themselves
      against their abusers. This makes it obvious that the legal system
      does not protect women who suffer violence at the hands of their
      partners.

    * Roughly 48 percent of federal inmates and 83 percent of provincial
      inmates are incarcerated for non-violent offences. One-fifth (20%)
      of admissions to provincial jails are for not paying fines.
      (Source: Correctional Services Canada website)

    * Canada imprisons hundreds of refugees and immigrants, including
      minors, in prisons, jails and detention centers, simply because
      they lack the proper identity papers. This situation has been
      aggravated by the racist and repressive hysteria that followed the
      September 11th attacks two years ago, and it's getting worst: so
      far, an average of over 20% more refugees and immigrants have been
      incarcerated for these reasons in 2003 than in 2002. (Source:
      Citizenship and Immigration Canada)


Although obvious, some statistics regarding life behind bars bear repeating:

    * Attempted suicide rates inside prisons are four times as high as
      on the outside.

    * Older prisoners generally have health problems characteristic for
      individuals ten years older on the outside.

    * Fewer than one in ten women in prison describe their interactions
      with prison health services as positive.

    * Double bunking, putting two prisoners in a cell that was designed
      for one was introduced as a temporary measure in 1984 - today, 25%
      of prisoners are double bunked and that number is projected to
      raise to 30% by the turn of the century.

    * Statistics Canada figures on adult corrections for 1999-2000 show
      that a total of 189 prisoners died in that one year period.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:34 AM

Canada: 75 Fujianese women facing deportation need your help

Between July to September, 1999, four ships holding a total of 599 Chinese people arrived on Canada's west coast: 96 minors, 90 women and 403 men.
The Canadian government's response was to detain most of them, try to issue exclusion orders (one of which was recently overturned), and push them through an accelerated (fastrack) refugee claim process, which was already stacked against them given the corporate media's extremely hostile and racist portrayals of these unfortunate people.

To date, 6 people have been granted refugee status, 251 people have had negative decisions, 14 people have withdrawn their request for refuge, and 67 have abandoned their claims. Some more hearings will take place in April,

but the government has been sending a strong message that it intends to deport many people soon.

The punishments for people who are returned to China have reportedly become harsher lately--they potentially face more than a year's imprisonment for leaving China, depending on their local situation.

While there were initially 96 minors, many of them have run away. The rest are under the care of the Ministry of Families and Children--kept in Dogwood Lodge (a group home), a Youth Detention Centre, and a few may be in foster care.

Most of the children were unaccompanied, but four mothers who came with their children on the ships have been kept in prison for almost eight months, and are only allowed to see their children once every two weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:33 AM

Most Recent Canadian Immigration
Detention Statistics
- Action Réfugiés Montréal, November 11, 2003 -
Canada's Citizenship and Immigration (CIC) produces a weekly "detention snapshot," which shows how many people were in immigration detention during a particular week. In 2003, they have shared figures starting from June 15 to October 11.

From these statistics, we can see that during any one week, over the period covered:

- an average of 681 people were in immigration detention in Canada.
- of these, an average of 341 people were in provincial jails and the rest (339) were in immigration holding centres.
- 67 per cent of detainees were in Ontario, 18 per cent in Quebec, 3 per cent in the Prairies and Territories, 11 per cent in B.C./Yukon and less than 1 per cent in the Atlantic.
- despite its immigration detention centre, Ontario specializes in detention in provincial jails, with an average of 253 in jail, compared to 201 in the immigration centre.
- by contrast, in Québec, there is an average of 24 in jails, compared to 101 in the immigration centre.
- there is some significant variation in the numbers detained over the period covered: the lowest was the week of July 27 to August 2 (574 people detained) and the highest was the week of September 14-20 (753 people detained).

Persons released and removed (statistics available starting July 13):

- each week an average of 202 people were released or removed.
- an average of 144 (71 per cent) of them were released and an average of 58 (29 per cent) were removed.

Minors:

- there were on average 17 minors in detention, most of them accompanied (13), but on any day there may have been one unaccompanied minor in detention.
- the highest number of minors in detention was found between September 14-20 (35 minors) and the lowest between July 27-August 2 (4 minors).

Gender:

- on average, 83 per cent of the detainees are male. This gender ratio remains fairly constant.

Source:

- an average of 57 per cent of detainees originate from inland claims. 42 per cent are detained at a port of entry. This ratio remains fairly constant.

Refugee claimants:

- of those detained, an average of 44 per cent are refugee claimants. An average of 46 per cent of detainees are not refugee claimants. An average of 10 per cent are failed refugee claimants.

Grounds for detention (statistics available starting June 22):

- a detainee may be detained for multiple reasons.
- during any given week, an average of 8.5 per cent are held for identity reasons.
- an average of 55.1 per cent are believed to be unlikely to appear for removal.
- an average of 5.8 per cent are believed to be unlikely to appear for minister's proceedings.
- an average of 14.3 per cent are believed to be unlikely to appear for admissibility hearings.
- an average of 16.5 per cent are believed to be unlikely to appear for continuation of examination.
- an average of 15 per cent are considered a danger to the public.
- an average of 9 people (1.4 per cent) are detained for security concerns or on a security certificate.
- these percentages can vary widely.

Criminality (statistics available starting July 6):

- a detainee may qualify to be classified under more than one category of criminality.
- an average of 12.1 per cent of detainees are classified under "criminality"
- an average of 20.5 per cent of detainees are classified under "serious criminality"
- an average of 6 people are classified under "human/international rights violations"
- an average of 3 people are classified under "organized crime"
- an average of 2 people are classified under "smuggling/trafficking"

CIC warns us that that these statistics are manually tabulated and may contain inaccuracies.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:32 AM

Ligue des droits et libertés Demands End to Deportation of Palestinian Refugees
In a press release issued November 6 demanding that the Canadian government stop the deportation of Palestinian refugees, Quebec's Ligue des droits et libertés writes: "It is hard to understand how persons having lived a large part of their lives in refugee camps in Lebanon, in conditions where they are prevented from and denied the possibility of exercising their rights, can be refused as refugees by the Immigration and Refugee Board. It is also difficult to understand how Canada can deport stateless people, who hold no citizenship to a country they can be returned to.

"It is also unacceptable that Palestinians are being deported to the U.S. where they probably face a long detention. We have seen how foreign nationals are being treated there, especially Arabs and Muslims, since September 11, 2001, which has been met with condemnation by all U.S. and international rights and civil liberties organizations.

"The deportation of Palestinian refugees demonstrates a lack of comprehension towards the Middle East problem as well as the reality of Palestinian refugee camps. It is recognized that with regard to international law, because Palestinian refugees come under the protection of the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) rather than the HCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees), thousands of persons from the Occupied Territories as well as from refugee camps in the area are left in a major legal void, especially in Lebanon. These refugees live a life of persecution and because they are without protection in the Middle East, deportation orders issued against them are unacceptable.

"The Ligue des droits et libertés demands that the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration take action as quickly as possible to put an end to the deportation of Palestinian refugees."

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:31 AM

Citizenship and Immigration Canada Must Clear Allegations Against "Project Thread" Victims
- Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, November 11, 2003 -
The Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) today called on the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Denis Coderre to immediately offer a public apology to the individuals arrested under "Project Thread" and to issue a public declaration that there is no evidence to connect the men to terrorism.

"Project Thread" refers to the RCMP investigation that culminated in the arrest and detention of 20 Pakistani men and one south Indian man in August 2003. Of the 21 arrested, nine have been deported, one remains in jail while the rest are out on bail, facing deportation.

In his call to the Minister, CAIR-CAN Executive Director Riad Saloojee stated:

"Three months after the men were arrested under 'Project Thread,' there continues to be no clear evidence tying the men to terrorism. On the contrary, it is clear that the public allegation issued by Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) tying the men to terrorism were baseless.

"The initial allegations were gravely irresponsible and have subjected many of the men to unwarranted scrutiny and harassment. The last wave of deportations to Pakistan, for example, saw the men detained by federal officials and interrogated for 16 hours. Authorities in Pakistan have commenced further investigations into the lives of the men and their families.

"We call on the Minister to offer an immediately public apology to the men who were arrested and smeared under 'Project Thread' and to state unequivocally that Citizenship and Immigration Canada withdraws any suggestion that they are linked to terrorism."

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 01:31 AM

Canadian Arab Federation Calls for
Due Process for All Detainees
In a news release dated October 7, the Canadian Arab Federation (CAF) expressed its happiness at the release of Maher Arar and called on the Canadian government to do more to ensure the protection of Canadian citizens domestically and abroad. "We extend our best wishes to the Arar family," CAF National President Raja Khouri said amongst other things.

"Mr. Arar is not the only person of Arab descent to be held in detention. Hassan Almrei, a 29-year old refugee from Syria has been held in a Canadian prison for two years in solitary confinement without charge or bail. He is being held on a security certificate that does not allow for any of the alleged evidence against him to be shared with either Almrei or his lawyer. Others being similarly detained in Canada are Mahmoud Jaballah (without charge since August 2001), Mohammad Mahjoub (held since June 2000), Adil Charkaoui (since May) and Mohamad Harkat (since Dec 2002)," the CAF said.

CAF's Executive Director Audrey Jamal said: "As a country we cannot be selective in condemning these human rights violations internationally while remaining silent about events that happen within our own borders." "The same Canadian officials, who found the detention of Mr. Arar without trial or charge unacceptable, should also take action against the lack of due process for detainees that is happening right here in Canada," Jamal said.

CAF urged the Canadian government to either charge these individuals and present those charges in a court of law with transparent and public proceedings, or release them.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 12:35 AM

The CBC is great brucie. But the US government would probably consider them subversive. They sometimes actually report facts.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:47 PM

brucie:

We already tried to take Canada and were licked. I think we learned that lesson. If we get any of it it will probably be if Quebec takes themselves too seriously and accidentally votes themselves out of the Union. In that case I think the Maritimes would come begging.

I sure hope I'm wrong. I believe in a strong and united Canada. It would be better for the US that way. If we took you over it would be the end of good ginger beer and fish 'n chips. Not to mention fields full of sunflowers. And "Puppets Who Kill".

Nah, impossible.

You should rent yourself a hilarious little flower-power era movie with James Coburn called "The President's Analysit." The Canadian secret service plays a part in it.

hugs and kisses from your friends in the States and ......

CALM DOWN!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 09:32 PM

brucie,

I have heard Iraq for several years...

Which WMD did we send Saddam? Here I thought he got them from the French and Germans...

Canada has 1/10 the population- so multiply the effect of it's actions by 10 to get the equivilent US....

"Canada is not trying to dominate the world. The US is."

You make this statement without any validation. Should you care to provide proof, I might consider it- but it looks like Canada is busy telling the US what to do- not that we listen. So who is trying to dominate the world?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 08:58 PM

Canada is not trying to dominate the world. The US is.

The US exported WMDs to Saddam Hussein. Gave him weapons and cash--to act as a balance against Iran. Asbestos--WMDs.

Neither is right, but one is less wrong than the other.

Get something new to blame Canada for, BB. I have heard this one for many months. You are smarter than that.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 08:30 PM

brucie,

I meant that if we are held to a higher standard of responsibility....


Will you state that you would hold other countries to the same standards that you insist the US comply with? ANd get Canada to stop exporting asbestos to the third world? And hold the Chinese and other Asian prision systems to the same level so scrutiny that the US is held to?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 08:15 PM

"If we are MORE RESPONSIBLE, then perhaps we should get the rights that go along with responsibility."

Lotsa words that don't address the issue. You have not been responsible in many dealings with other countries, BB. The world is beginning to see that.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:57 PM

Does NOT take away the fact they held him for two weeks with NO charge and he was innocent.

They apologized because he was a lawyer. He'd likely have sued their arses off otherwise.

Don't white-wash the situation. You guys are kissin' your country goodbye.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:52 PM

brucie,

they are human, too...


from your last clicky-"One sign of how badly the case was handled: the FBI publicly apologized to Mayfield, something the bureau almost never does. Mayfield appreciates the mea culpa. "I commend them for stepping up to the plate ... and admitting they made a mistake," he says. "I'm from the Midwest, and an apology goes a long way."


And now you can tell me how often OTHER countries have admitted they had made mistakes. I think that there is a bias against the US, in that we are held to a set of standards that no other country is, yest criticised for not treating all the other countries as our equals. If we are MORE RESPONSIBLE, then perhaps we should get the rights that go along with responsibility.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:35 PM

Story here, BB. Refresh yer memory. Big OOPS from the FBI.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:30 PM

"how about Brandon Mayfield, the Portland attorney who was held without charges, incommunicado, for two weeks when he was falsely accused of being connected with the train bombings in Spain."

Nothing to say about this (while I sip my beer)?

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:28 PM

Habeas Corpus. Been suspended in the US?

FBI: Gag orders?

Some vibrant and healthy democracy you have there.

Subject: RE: BS: 10,000 arrested in US today
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 06:02 PM

brucie

As for your beer- PLEASE!

8-{E