BS: Bad things Canada has done.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 02 May 05 - 10:25 AM

We are for sure angels with dirty faces. But then we often sleep with the Devil.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 02 May 05 - 11:10 AM

wow...someone needs a life...BB..when's the last time you powered off your computer and stepped outsided for a breath of fresh air. Shame on Canada for having a Military, or for developing capable arms for our Military and for making these same arms available for other Nations to ensure their sovranty. Oh...ps..the M-16 was sold to Canada by the US. Canada made some slight beauty alterations and sold it back to the US.

Slainte!
TS

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,Brucesbeard
Date: 02 May 05 - 01:00 PM

The US sells about 45% of all of the arms sold in the world. Canada sells about 1%, in population and economically the US is about 10 times larger than Canada and it sells 45 times as much in arms.

So per capita, the US is between four and five times as bad as Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: DougR
Date: 02 May 05 - 05:27 PM

If we are to believe our Canadian Mudcat friends, Canada is the land of milk and honey and can do NO wrong. Canadians are so strong, and straight-minded they can live next to a neighbor that commits sin after sin on mankind without it rubbing off on them. Canada do something wrong! Perish the thought!
:>)
DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 03 May 05 - 10:02 AM

This is kinda interesting.
So's this article.

No nation anywhere has clean hands. None.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 05 - 10:44 AM

"...managed maritime boundary disputes with the US at Dixon Entrance, Beaufort Sea, Strait of Juan de Fuca, and around the disputed Machias Seal Island and North Rock." (from the CIA's World Factbook website).

As a US citizen, I, for one, will not rest until this pressing issue has been resolved with our good neighbors to the north.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,DougRs
Date: 03 May 05 - 12:33 PM

DougR

Can you please show us an example of a Canadian Mudcatter doing that, all I see are 25 or so examples of Canadian Mudcatters criticizing Canada and a number of innocuous comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 03 May 05 - 07:03 PM

This thread was started by a Canadian.

1) Residential schools
2) Uranium
3) Asbestos
4) Reserves (for people) without which they would have NO land at all

Doug, there are very few of my countrymen/women who would ever tell you we are guiltless. We are not. Most of us know that, and some of us work to rectify the problems which we see as shameful reflections of our country.

"If we are to believe our Canadian Mudcat friends, Canada is the land of milk and honey and can do NO wrong. Canadians are so strong, and straight-minded they can live next to a neighbor that commits sin after sin on mankind without it rubbing off on them. Canada do something wrong! Perish the thought."

Cheap, and beneath you, Doug.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: robomatic
Date: 04 May 05 - 05:35 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 04 May 05 - 10:19 AM

OK. That's Washington. But it's beginning to seem lots like Ottawa, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 May 05 - 07:19 PM

TS,

Shame on the US for having a Military, or for developing capable arms for our Military and for making these same arms available for other Nations to ensure their sovranty.


The whole point of this thread was to move my comments off another thread, where I was pointing out that the excuse that the reason people in Canad were criticising the US and not the terrorists was that the US was "closer to home". I have shown that they are living in a glass house, and perhaps should think before they throw stones.

I have no problem with criticism of the US- we certainly deserve our FAIR share of it. But to insist that ONLY the US should be held accountable for it's actions is a little.... biased?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 04 May 05 - 08:49 PM

So, BB. In your own words, what exactly has America done wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:01 PM

In my own words?

We failed to interdict the movement of terrorists into Iraq during and after the war. We failed to detain those Iraqis that had supported Saddam. We failed to persuade the rest of the Arab world that we did not intend to remain in Iraq.


What we SHOULD have done was stand outside the border, and when Saddam refused to comply with the UN resolutions back in 1994 nuc'ed the entire country into glass. THEN we would have NO US causualties, and the Left would be happy.

(NOTE THIS IS SARCASTIC COMMENT! )

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:03 PM

Now, in your own words, What has Canada done to help the world situation re Iran and N. Korea? Obviously, YOU know how to deal with the problem, and can take full responsibility for whatever happens...


NOT.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:05 PM

Bruce, Be nice. You say the US has done some bad things. I asked what bad things. You pile on a bunch of sarcasm.

If that's the way you want to be, fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:08 PM

The first paragraph was the answer to what, IMO, the US did wrong.

This thread is about Canada, remember? If you want to discuss the US, we should start a thread to do so..... Remember when you started this thread?...


Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:16 PM

Sorry, Bruce. But after that bullshit I no longer read your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:19 PM

In other words, having answered your question, you will concede the moral high ground to me? Thank you very much.


I had thought we were having a discussion here, but obviously not...

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: DougR
Date: 05 May 05 - 01:04 AM

brucie: "cheap, beneith you." Surely you jest! Other than Rick Fielding, who unfortunately is no longer with us, I cannot think of one Candadian Mudcatter who doesn't relish the opportunity to bash the U. S. Can you?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 May 05 - 01:49 AM

beardedbruce, "Shame on the US for having a Military, or for developing capable arms for our Military and for making these same arms available for other Nations to ensure their sovranty."?

By your own reasoning, why should Canada's involvement in the continued manufacturing of arms, be considered, by you, a bad thing that Canada has done?

Is this a dislike of competition by others in a free market economy with US manufacturers or, is there some moral issue, on your part, with regard to the sale of arms?

For most Canadians here at Mudcat, the manufacture and sale of weapons by Canada is not news and has been commented upon before in other threads. I can recall myself posting, a couple of years back, something regarding the manufacture of gumby and pokey dolls in the same Canadian Hamm chemical factory that was manufaturing napalm or some such thing, to supply the US during the war in Vietnam.

It is very useful to the US to have Canada appear as an independant nation state at times at odds with US policy, while at the same time supplying the US with valuable information as well, from a position not available directly to the US. This was certainly the case during the Vietnam war and I doubt little has changed in the halls of power behind the scene, in subsequent years.

DougR, in this country, unless one is decidedly apolitical or oblivious, sometimes it is difficult for Canadians not to feel the need to comment on stuff which directly affects them as well. This does not mean that Canadians do not have great fondness for many Americans as individuals or an admiration for some aspects of US society, particularly in areas where Canada lags. (Whistleblowers come to my mind in particular and freedom of information regarding the machinations of government). Whatever routes the US decides to pursue, affects us directly more than any other nation on earth.      

And, if the US feels the right to mould other nations in its own image, why be suprised that others feel the need to comment. As Pierre Elliot Trudeau remarked, Canada's relationship with the United States is like that of "a mouse in bed with an elephant…no matter how friendly…one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 05 May 05 - 02:19 AM

Metchosin has a point, "Is this a dislike of competition by others in a free market economy with US manufacturers or, is there some moral issue, on your part, with regard to the sale of arms?"

I think Canada should sell Korea our beef and lumber, too. The U.S. is making it pretty hard for Canada to trade freely across the border.

Hmmm...I wonder what we could trade for middle east oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 May 05 - 02:40 AM

Metchosin,

My comment was in response to the earlier post, between the lines here:
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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS - PM
Date: 02 May 05 - 11:10 AM

wow...someone needs a life...BB..when's the last time you powered off your computer and stepped outsided for a breath of fresh air. Shame on Canada for having a Military, or for developing capable arms for our Military and for making these same arms available for other Nations to ensure their sovranty. Oh...ps..the M-16 was sold to Canada by the US. Canada made some slight beauty alterations and sold it back to the US.

Slainte!
TS
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"By your own reasoning, why should Canada's involvement in the continued manufacturing of arms, be considered, by you, a bad thing that Canada has done? "

*I* do not- but the US was being blamed for it, so that it must be a bad thing...



Feel free to trade all the beef and timber you like to N. Korea- But when they tell you you have to send more or they will use a nuclear bomb on you, ( like they are threatening about US energy aid, which THEY violated the terms for) I guess you can just buy it from the US to send to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 05 - 04:37 AM

Does anybody remember the Huckleberry Hound adventure when Huck was a mountie and he was after the outlaw Powerful Pierre?

a classic in its time

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: podman
Date: 05 May 05 - 04:48 AM

Slightly off the point, but Warner Bros. had border character "Speedy Gonzalez" to save the day to the South. Did they ever try a northern border parody?

Yeah, I know about Dudley Do-Right - Different company.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:35 PM

I think that in all of this something must be remembered: an action of which the US disapproves, by Canada or any other country, is not automatically anti-US, but should be considered as pro-Canadian unless proven otherwise.

There is a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:47 PM

as long as the following is also accepted:

an action of which Canada disapproves, by the US or any other country, is not automatically anti-Canada, but should be considered as pro-US unless proven otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:52 PM

What an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:54 PM

Yes, brucie, you are. I did not accuse YOU of being narrow-minded, then state I would ignore the posts that I might disagree with.


But I guess you have no idea of treating others as you would want to be treated.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:55 PM

You wanted an enemy you got one. Wish I'd read the remark above.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:59 PM

brucie,

You asked me to this thread, where I answered the off-thread questions, and then refused to address my ON-topic ones. I have no desire for enemies- but if you insist on being a shit-for-brains, I will continue to point it out to the world.

And at least I am open minded enough to read points of view I might disagree with.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 05 - 07:00 PM

Another unread post by the Conservative wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Beer
Date: 05 May 05 - 09:37 PM

Before the sponsership scandal became known to the public there was this commercial on t.v. that asked you to report your neighbour if he made $5.00 under the table. I can't be sure if it was a Provincial thing or Federal but it doesn't really matter. The point is that the majority of the politicians in question involved in the sponsership program have the gaul to say with raised hands, I know nothing, It wasen't me. No,no, not I, and so on. How truly discusting.
I was also In Montreal during the October crises. Got stopped on the Champlain Bridge about 10:30 p.m. Think I may have had a few to many. They didn't do much about those things back then. Probably coming back from one of your gigs Brucie
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 05 - 09:50 PM

I got stopped, too. Was near the CN station (near the old Sunlife Building). Some boys from the Vandoos. Wanted to know what was in my guitar case. I could never shut my mouth, ya know, and I responded, "An FN-C1." Had to open the case and play them a few songs. Before I left, we were gettin' along just fine. However, it was a bit tense there for a few seconds.

We must have met, but you didn't go by the name Beer then.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: bobad
Date: 05 May 05 - 09:59 PM

Hey Beer

Loved your use of the word "gaul" in your post, lots of shades of meaning there for us ex-Quebecers.

Reminds me of the old joke about England selling Gibralter to France who were going to rename it DeGaul stone.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 05 - 10:57 PM

Homolka

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:39 AM

beardedbruce, sorry, I missed TJ's original post. So let me get this straight.....you believe that selling armaments to non-democratic nations that abuse human rights is a good thing that Canada has done....and that the bad thing Canada has done is blame the US for Canada's good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 06 May 05 - 09:59 AM

That oughta add at least thirty-seven cut-and-pastes about asbestos to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:10 AM

Not necessarily brucie, mining and selling asbestos might be a good thing and only a bad thing, if the US is blamed for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,Jawbone
Date: 06 May 05 - 12:25 PM

Is it true "Canada" was named by Portugese sailors - Ca nada meaning "Here, there is nothing"?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 May 05 - 01:03 PM

For the Portugese that could very well be true, the cod stocks are depleted. For Americans it still means oil and gas, water, hydroelectric power, lumber and prime waterfront real estate where the more wealthy among them can build their large summer homes in order to escape the sturm and drang of their own country and try some fishing.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:10 PM

Jawbone... that is one theory (which is incorrect... the French inadvertently named Canada after the Native Peoples' word for village - yeah, I know, we are the village people... piss off).

However, re the Portugese, "... Ca nada meaning "Here, there is nothing"?", you should really quote the entire translation which conveys much more meaning..... "Why the fuck would you ever go way ta Jaysus up there ? There's nuthin but skeeters in the summer and snow in the winter. You nuts or somethin?"

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Beer
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:07 PM

No Brucie, we never met. I use to hang around the Irish pubs and the Blue Bird (wagon wheel). I was on my way there the night it was tourched and 42 lives were lost. Oh, and the Fathers Mustache was a great hang out.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: DougR
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:09 PM

Metchosin: To say nothing of the rich Canadians who make Arizona their home during Canada's much harsher winters.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:24 PM

Metchosin is a better Canadian than you are an American, Doug. She questions her government and recognizes that there have been historical injustices that continue to this day, and she works with her art to help correct those things.

For you, it's Bush right or wrong. For this lady, well, she doesn't buy the party line. You might think about trying that for yourself sometime.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 07 May 05 - 03:08 AM

DougR - Arizona is also home to many Americans from your colder states. I don't think you can be called rich if you live in a trailer in the middle of a desert. Warmer, maybe, but not richer.

To own a summer, waterfront home in B.C., you would definitely have to be wealthy. Only the wealthy get to swim in clean water, breathe fresh air and fish in front of their homes. There are plenty of Americans who do just that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:06 PM

I moved to The us In 1995 when we lost the referendum. Even if I was living in Canada I always felt like a Quebec Citizen. I speak english so are my kids. But it's time for QUEBEC to become a country. Canada is not a real country the only people making money are the politiciens,a bunch of crooks. I will be back in my country the day it will become : UN PAYS Le QUEBEC. What i HAte about CAnada:
EEVVEERRYYTTHHIINNGG!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:13 PM

Glad you left, AJ. And if you think you will join the ranks of people finally "making money" in a separate Quebec with a Quebec currency, dream on.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:45 PM

We would be making more money, We would use US Currency. How smart hey!!!
Without Quebec, Canada will Die, BC will leave and Ontario will have to pay for everybody cool hey!!! They will leave also!!!! don't you think!!! Proud Quebecer and Proud American!

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:49 PM

Hope you fermezed la porte on the way out, AJ.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: bobad
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:55 PM

AJ

Liberate yourself from the chains of ethnic nationalism.