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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:14 PM

exactly!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 07:23 PM

I talked today to a distant, VERY distant cousin. I haven't seen her since she was an infant. She was born and has lived in the States all her mid-thirty or so years. I filled her in a bit on family history and the discussion got around to tunes. It started about our old family and Trad Irish tunes as she had heard that my cousins and I "play".

Then, I mentioned that music is a big thing here and the tradition carries on to "modern" tunes, more to her taste. Then this. She has never heard of April Wine.... she has NEVER HEARD of April Wine! She has NEVER HEARD of Burton or BTO or... you get the picture... when I asked her about The Guess Who, she accused me of playing mind games.

Now, I can understand a young Yank not knowing regional bands, but when they don't know The Hip or Kim Mitchell, or... really... how can anyone not know The Guess Who?

If that's that's really the case, I am a VERY lucky man because I have been graced with some of the best tunes on the planet. As for folk, she has heard of Gordon Lightfoot but what the f*** is a Valdy? Joni who? Is she related to Kim? Natalie who? Rankin what? The Rankins? JC!!!

Apparently, Canada has done a poor job of sharing these joys with the world. And that really is a bad thing.

Leahy! Natalie MacMaster! The Guess Who! April Wine! And on! Never heard of them! Unf***ingreal!!!

I'd like to know if these names are a blank with any other of our brothers to the south. Any of you guys never heard of The Guess Whio?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: heric
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 08:39 PM

I've heard of'm. They do a Lenny Kravitz cover.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 08:49 PM

Hehehehe!!! Of course, if they get a few bucks...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 10:26 PM

I've heard of April Wine, The Guess Who, Natalie McMaster, and the rest. I've even heard of Bruce Murdoch and Patrick Sky and Ian and Sylvia and Stan Rogers. But who's this Gordon Whitefoot or whatever his name it?















Jist funnin' ya. I think he wrote "Mary Ellen Carter," din't he?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 01:10 PM

BUT, the crime of crimes is that so few ever heard Michel Pagliaro. Ya want rock, he got rock. Man does that boy play.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:28 PM

Ah, yes, brucie. And, I am surprised so few Canucks have heard of Roch Vosine, or Mitsou (J'mange dat, la.) or... That minds me... seems to me, brucie, you said you lived in La Belle Province for a while, or, at least, Montreal, ahem. Harmonium?

Thanks, Rapaire. Okay, so maybe it's just the yuppie set she hangs with.

Sorry for the thread drift.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:36 PM

Harmonium began to make it in Quebec in the mid 1970s. Just about when I was leaving Montreal. Never did get to hear them live.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 03:11 PM

I'm going to Whitehorse in August.

Pray for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM

I had their first two albums on tape but they got gone. Amazing blend of folk, rock, orchestral (or should thjat be long hair? anyone?), jazz. And, the engineering was far beyond most in those days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 04:07 PM

Nah. Your gonna love Whitehorse. BTW, you might want to bring some REALLY FUCKING DEEEEEP Woods Off fly repellant. Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 06:14 PM

Well, a lot of Canadians haven't heard of Harry Lee Wigley either, eh? I don't think we should go throwing snowballs when we're living in igloos. Know what I'm sayin'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 06:22 PM

Hate to admit it, but I just read my last post as "I'm going to a whorehouse in August."

I dunno -- I've already been to the BIG cities of the Yukon: Beaver Creek, Destruction Bay. Whitehorse is gonna have to go some to beat Beaver Creek, lemme tell ya. The nightlife, the cuisine...why, I hadn't had such a time since I'd left, oh, Tok.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 11:05 PM

Tuktoyaktuk?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 11:36 PM

No, the place in Alaska. The website is more exciting than the town, unless there's a car wreck or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 11:42 PM

Haven't been there, but it's lots bigger than Fort Good Hope. I spent eighteen years there in 22 months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:32 AM

Brian...far ffrom excusing OR denying it..but in NB we don't have the Native population like other areas and in school we don't learn a great deal about it. So really, if you are unfamiliar with a culture, how can it be bias? As for les Acadiens, moi je suis biligne. Je suis anglophone. Je suis fiere d'etre Irlandais-Canadien, et j'aime l'histoire du N-B. I know I don't share the same sentiments as EVERYONE in the Province, but where BOTH languages are spoken at any given moment and you CANT get a Gov't job withoutt knowing both languages. I think any bias comes from the fact that CERTAIN (not all) Acadiens forget they are Canadians first. But we deal with that coast-to-coast..be they Acadiens, Newfoundlanders, Cape Bretoners, etc,or the reverse...those in Ontario, Alberta, or BC who believe they are the only REAL Canadians.

TS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:49 AM

A game of tag with no rules, and everyone thinks they're it.

I think of our military--such as it is--and am very aware that regardless of ancestry/race/language, the guy or gal will lay it down for me and my family, and they'll do it without inquiring as to my background. The SAR people and other rescue types around don't ask who they are going in after. It's enough to know that someone needs help and they go give that.

I have met racists in Canada, but truthfully, they seem to be the exception, not the rule.

BM


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 12:10 PM

Nobody in BC believes that, TC. We know we are the only real British Columbians. And we are somewhat fond of our Albertan brothers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 12:33 PM

well boys and giirls..we're beating a dead horse now...we know ALL Canadians aren't racist, we know that ALL Quebecois are not against Canada, we know ALL British Columbians aren't pompous. We ARE all Canadians and generally think of our own region as the best region for one reason or another..coming from a PROUD Maritimer who loves living in Saskatchewan..and that my friends..is one of the best things about being a Canadian.

Back to the BAD things we've done..how about BLACK MONDAY..or a possible alliance between the Reds and Oranges...here's something to consider..of use a crayon and mix red and orange...a rather unappitizing colour if I do say so..

cheers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 01:29 PM

I was in Halifax when the Canadian naval forces captured -- by force! -- an innocent American fishing vessel. And I was shocked, yes indeed, SHOCKED to the very depths of my soul, let me tell you! Just because a Fisheries Inspector boarded the fishing vessel because it was fishing in Canadian waters, and the vessel took off for Gloucester with the inspector and failed to heave to when ordered -- was that ANY REASON for a Canadian special forces-type unit, armed with submachine guns, no less! -- to board the vessel from a helicopter and have TWO Canadian Coast Guard ships -- ARMED ships, with the guns ready to shoot! -- standing by? And was any of it a good reason to jail the skipper, deport the crew, keep the boat, and auction off the catch?

Oh, sure. Call it what you will -- kidnapping, failure to stop, disregard of the fishing laws, or whatever -- but CANADA attacked an innocent US fishing vessel!

Hmph!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 01:40 PM

Oops. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 01:50 PM

Our Coastguard aren't armed..the guys with were no more than a simple boarding party...the "submachine guns" were C-7's (a weaker version of an M-16). just clarifying...but...as gnu said..."oops.sorry"..but it IS illegal to fish in foreign waters..


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:05 PM

Got caught, didn't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:26 PM

Sure did. This was back around 1988, and my wife and I cheered on the CGC.

I can't imagine what the hell the skipper of the fishing boat was thinking, tearing off for the US with a Canadian Fisheries Inspector on board.

Actually, I think that they got off rather lightly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:33 PM

hmm..ok..first..I now have lunch and about 4 cups of coffee into me..secondly..I took some nice pills before bed last night and my head is still a bit foggy from it..so please accept my apology for not tasting the bitter sweet sarcasm in the "wow is me" portion of the previous message Rapaire...Cheers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: heric
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:49 PM

They made Molson's Canadian and fed to their own population.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:25 PM

Heric has us all on that one.

Brador was even worse. If you can believe that. Much like--well, imagine an equine derivative, liquid in nature and supposedly quite poor in taste. People who have sampled both prefer the unadulterated stuff from the horse. An', that's a fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:48 PM

Can't help but notice that no one argued Heric's comment.. (enter cricket sound here)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:50 PM

Canada is currently the world's second biggest chrysotile (white asbestos) exporter, sending this class 1 carcinogen to countries with few, if any, safeguards, where it is used by poorly trained and uninformed workers with little access to medical care or sickness benefits.

Dr. Jukka Takala, Director of InFocus Programme SafeWork at the International Labour Organisation (ILO), has estimated the number of work-related asbestos deaths from mesothelioma, lung cancer, asbestosis and other diseases worldwide as 100,000 every year, and growing.

The Canadian and Québec governments, the asbestos industry and the unions representing its workers maintain that chrysotile can be used safely under "carefully controlled conditions." An intensive disinformation campaign in Canada and abroad is lead by the Asbestos Institute, a heavily subsidized industry public relations organization. However, Canada exports more than 95% of all the asbestos it produces and critics suggest that the Canadian principle of "safe use" is impossible to enforce in the third World countries where the asbestos in imported. They say "safe use" is a hypocritical ploy to profit from the export of a substance too hazardous to be used at home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:56 PM

BB, thank you. I have been waiting for you to post this. I will not, unlike you, be gauche enough to mention what a certyain country is doing in another certain country. That I will reserve for the Pax Americana thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:00 AM

It mines more than 320,000 tons of asbestos a year, more than 90 percent of which is exported to other countries, including the United States.

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Now that most North American and European con-struction legislation has banned totally the use of as-bestos in human habitation, what have Canada asbestos miners and manufacturers done with 95% of our Canadian asbestos? Guess! Sold it and shipped it off to the third world to use in its building projects, markets in Thailand, Singapore, Brazil, India and other developing nations.

Most of Canada's toxic asbestos goes to Asian countries. But it's all okey-dokey, say the many government-sponsored "safety" agencies.

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Chrétien followed the official line that Canadian asbestos – 'white' chrysotile, like that exported to Chile – is safe. Sounding much like a press release from the Quebec-based, industry-funded Asbestos Institute, the Canadian Government has been suggesting that chrysotile, which has been mined and used in Canada for nearly a century, is a 'new and safe' form of asbestos. However, they omit to tell the public exactly where they've found the scientific evidence to back up such assertions. The reason we are never shown this documentation is simple: it doesn't exist.


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Asbestos is a word that has lost much of the meaning it once held for Canadians. Within our own country we have essentially prohibited its sale, use and manufacture. The 'magic mineral' has faded from our collective memory. We have forgotten how prevalent it once was in brake linings, cement sheets, flooring, tiles, packing and textiles. We have also forgotten about asbestosis, mesothelioma (a deadly and incurable form of cancer which gives its victims between 6 and 24 months to live) and various other types of cancers including throat, oesophagal, laryngeal, kidney, stomach and colorectal.

Ask the average Canadian what they know and you will likely hear something along the lines of: 'That stuff will kill you. It causes cancer. That's why we don't use it any more.' Exactly. Chrysotile asbestos, still heavily mined in Quebec, isn't used precisely because it kills. It will continue to kill those Canadians exposed to it in the past as well as those who handle it today. What most Canadians aren't aware of is that our Federal Government, in partnership with the Province of Quebec and its asbestos industry, is peddling the deadly dust abroad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:02 AM

The Canadian Government and their 'impartial' Asbestos Institute experts claimed that under regulated conditions asbestos could be used without posing any risk to human health. Yet in even the most stringently regulated conditions, like those in Canada and the US, workers continue to be exposed to deadly fibers and fall victim to asbestosis and mesothelioma. If workers are dying from exposure even here, imagine what conditions must be like in nations lacking even the bare minimum of regulatory mechanisms. It's precisely these countries to which Canada is exporting its 'magic mineral'.

Time and time again those who have visited asbestos-manufacturing plants in the South return with stories of horrific working conditions. A 1980s exposé of Thailand – one of Canada's key markets – revealed employees who spend their days in clouds of dust without respirators. They split open bags of asbestos with their bare hands. They walk home to their families covered in layers of dust. In India, both women and children were found working with asbestos. Many importing countries like Turkey, the Philippines and Singapore have such repressive regimes that anyone who raises concerns may find themselves out of a job or in trouble with the police. 'Controlled use' doesn't offer much protection to workers here.

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Yet Canada persists in its promotion of asbestos and has vowed to seek out new markets for the deadly fiber. One can only hope that the message is heard and understood: the Canadian Government is not selling development, but death sentences in the form of a 'magic mineral.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:07 AM

"Indeed, the true weapons of mass destruction are the jet fighters, tanks, machine guns and other military exports that the United States ships to nondemocratic countries -- a record $8.3 billion worth in the 1997 fiscal year, the last year for which figures are available."

In the spirit of your post on the Pax Americana thread, here ya go. So while I compose a letter objecting to this practise on Canada's part, perhaps you might do the same regarding America's role in THIS bad thing. Whadyasay, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:09 AM

Worldwide, deaths due to asbestos are expected to rise to at least 1 million over the next 30 years, while millions more will die in developing countries for decades to come because asbestos is in growing use there.

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_10.28.99/news/asbestos.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:13 AM

Good night, Bruce. Argue more tomorrow. A day without you is a day without sunshine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,.uncleSAM
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:15 AM

At the shower I f"-ed her backside



Unfilling to unite I spawned fifty others.



Sincerly,

Uncle Sammy


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:26 AM

BB ..... thanks for posting that info. I think a lot of Canadians are totally unaware this.


sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:49 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: brucie
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:49 PM

Hey, we beat the crap outta baby seals."

Not since the 1970's ya h'ingorant 'angashore mainlander.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:10 AM

brucie,

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Did Canadian Weapons Kill Peaceful Protestors in Papua New Guinea on June 26?

Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade calls upon the Canadian government to immediately halt all exports of police and military equipment to PNG.

Canadian-made C7 "combat rifles" are likely the weapons used by Papua New Guinea (PNG) police to kill at least three peaceful protestors and wound 17 others in Port Moresby on Tuesday, June 26, 2001.

University of PNG students were shot this week when their five-day, non-violent protest was violently dispersed by PNG police using teargas and M16 rifles.

Diemaco, a "small arms" manufacturer in Kitchener, Ontario, has sold its automatic weapons to PNG. Diemaco's entry in Industry Canada's online database of "Canadian Defence Company Capabilities" reports that it has "export experience" to Papua New Guinea.

The Canadian government has designated Diemaco to be "Canada's Centre of Excellence for Small Arms." Diemaco produces several "small arms" in the C7 "Family of Combat Weapons."

The C7 is the Canadian version of the U.S. M16. It is produced by Diemaco under licence from the U.S. Colt Manufacturing Company.


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Per capita, what are the CANADIAN arms sales to the world? I have heard how the US is such a huge consumer of material and the most industrialized nation, but on a per capita basis what countries export the MOST arms?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:19 AM

"based on figures in the United Nations Register, Canada accounts for less than 1 percent of the world arms market), "
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/trade/eicb/military/military_Export-en.asp



with what percentage of the world's population?
32,805,041 (July 2005 est.) / 6,446,131,400 (July 2005 est.)
....0.5089 per cent
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/xx.html



Sounds like Canada has it's share of the world arms market...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:26 AM

Canada's Military Exports Increased in 1998
By Richard Sanders

The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT) recently
released its ninth annual report, Export of Military Goods from Canada.
This report lists dollar amounts and equipment types for Canadian military
exports to 61 countries during 1998.


According to this report, Canada's military exports increased by 38%, from
$304 million in 1997 to $421 million, in 1998. These figures, however, do
not included exports to the U.S. This is the most significant flaw in
these reports because the U.S. buys more military equipment from Canada
than the rest of the world combined!

........................................................................

Another flaw in DFAIT's reports is that they do not include any "dual use"
equipment, such as helicopters, that can be used for civilian or military
purposes.


Despite Canada's reputation as a nation which values peacekeeping, we
continue to sell military hardware to governments which are notorious for
violating human rights. Among the governments purchasing Canadian military
hardware are some of the world's most corrupt and violent regimes. The
military and police forces in many of the countries armed by Canada are
well known to routinely engage in torture and extrajudicial executions.

Below this table, you will find the key to "Military Equipment Types" which
are cited here.


A Partial Listing of Canadian Military Exports (1997)

Recipient            Military               Value of exports in 1997
Governments    Equipment Types               (in Cdn $)

Argentina      1                              $137,389
   
Botswana       10                           $3,728,231
   
Brazil         3, 10, 14                   $3,363,152
   
Chile          1, 5, 11                      $597,776
   
China          10, 11                         $814,170
   
Egypt          10, 11                         $622,403
   
Israel          3, 6, 9, 10, 11, 15          $783,455
      
Jordan          1, 10, 11, 18                $187,795

Korea (South)   3, 5, 9, 10, 11, 14         $4,719,275
   
Malaysia       3, 10, 14, 18, 21          $91,792,358
   
Mexico          1, 3, 10                   $1,671,730
   
Morocco         10, 14                        $171,652
   
Oman            4, 11                         $467,940
   
Peru            11                            $69,550

Philippines    10                         $1,069,175
   
Saudi Arabia    6, 10, 11, 14             $29,800,192
   
Singapore       2, 4, 10, 11, 14, 18       $2,857,066
   
Taiwan          9, 10, 11, 14, 15          $3,202,336
   
Thailand       1, 3, 6, 10, 11, 18       $37,174,639
   
Turkey          4, 10, 14                   $3,531,616
   
U.A.E.          3, 10                      $4,123,639
   
Venezuela       10                            $523,106


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:28 AM

International Arms Trade

Canada was the world's ninth largest arms exporter in 1997.[1] We ranked even higher, however, in terms of our military exports to the "Third World." In that category, we ranked seventh.[2]

The Key to Military Equipment Types," on page 5, outlines the wide range of Canadian military exports. These numbered equipment types are referred to in many of the tables in this issue. All of the data on Canada's military exports is from annual reports published by the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT), called Export of Military Goods from Canada.[3]

These reports are significantly flawed. They omit all data on military exports to the U.S., which is by far, our largest buyer. The magnitude of this flaw is evidenced by DFAIT's estimate that 80% of Canadian military exports in 1997 went to the U.S.![4]


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:30 AM

One need only examine the evidence amassed here to see that Canadian corporations and the government are still very much complicit in crimes against peace, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Some of the governments purchasing Canadian military hardware are notorious for violating human rights. Many so-called "security" forces armed by Canada are well known to routinely engage in torture and extrajudicial executions.

In 1998, the following countries purchased Canadian military hardware, even though torture by their military and/or police was reported that year by Amnesty International to be "widespread," "endemic," "systematic," "officially sanctioned," "frequent" or "commonplace": Argentina, Brazil, China, Egypt, Israel, Mexico, Peru, Philippines, Turkey and Venezuela.

Between 1990 and 1998, the Canadian government permitted the military exports to numerous undemocratic and repressive regimes. For instance, Canada has sold arms to:

Brunei, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Oman: Countries which have never had any elections;
Bahrain: Its only legislature has been dissolved by decree since 1975;
Kuwait: Women still do not have the right to vote or stand for election;
Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Kenya, Mauritania, Morocco, Lebanon, Pakistan, Singapore, St. Vincent, Togo and Turkey: Women held less than 5% of the seats in parliament in 1999;
Bahrain, China, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE: Unions, strikes and collective bargaining are strictly outlawed; and * India, Kuwait, Lebanon, Mozambique, Oman, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Tanzania and UAE: Central governments spent more on their militaries than on health and education combined.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:33 AM

http://www.corpwatch.org/print_article.php?&id=429


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:35 AM

http://www.canadiandemocraticmovement.ca/displayarticle37.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:41 AM

So, brucie, have any more stones to throw?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:55 AM

I notice that your figures are a few years old. Do you have any current figures?

I'm especially interested in knowing the names of these small arms manufacturers. I also wonder if they are Canadian owned industries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 May 05 - 03:50 AM

I was responding to the message from brucie:

BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: brucie - PM
Date: 02 May 05 - 12:07 AM

"Indeed, the true weapons of mass destruction are the jet fighters, tanks, machine guns and other military exports that the United States ships to nondemocratic countries -- a record $8.3 billion worth in the 1997 fiscal year, the last year for which figures are available."


Names of companies are given in the reports Google "canada military exports". Ownership is sometimes listed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 02 May 05 - 04:20 AM

Yup, Canada and Canadian business tries real hard to be a player like its big buddy, the good old USA. Of course, it had some ways to go, to catch up with U.S. military exports in 1997 of $21.3 billion, $8.3 billion of which went to 52 countries where the US State Department says citizens are not allowed to choose their government democratically. But Canada can't let the side down, doncha know. The US sometimes has trouble recognizing Canada as a friend, when Canada doesn't get involved in the same rotten games that the US plays.


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