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pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song

John M. 28 Apr 05 - 12:11 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: John M.
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:11 PM

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Below is a traditional bawdy song titled: 'The Motherfucker's Ball'   (recording)


              1.  Do you sing this song? 
              2.  If yes, when and where did you learn it?
              3.  Would you be willing to sing it for folklore purposes over the phone?


Any help is appreciated.

Sincerely,

John Mehlberg
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THE MOTHER FUCKER'S BALL  (recording)

There's gonna be a party at the motherfucker's hall
The bitches and the witches gonna be there all
They're passin' out the pussy 'bout half past eight.
So daddy-o, daddy-o don't be late.

I've fucked 'em in Frisco and I've fucked 'em in Spain
I've fucked 'em on the rocky shores of Maine.
But the best piece of all
Is when I fucked my mother in law
Last Saturday night at the motherfucker's b-a-double-l ball.
Rack 'em up, shack 'em up,
Motherfucker's ball

Note: This is transcribed from an anonymous recording from 1962.  A text of this song is found in Ed Cray's Erotic Muse second edition on pg 276.   Compare this text Clover's 'The Rotten Cocksucker's Ball' (recording and text below).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: John M.
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:11 PM

Here is another version of the song as sung by The Clover's in 1956 titled 'The Rotten Cocksucker's Ball'  (recording).   Note that the word "cock" in the southern USA was a common slang word for the vagina -- so the title means 'The Rotten VAGINA-sucker's Ball' and does not have homosexual connotations.
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THE ROTTEN COCKSUCKER'S BALL  **   (recording)

Cocksucking Sammy get your motherfucking mammy
We're going downtown to the cocksucker's ball
Fuck, suck and fight 'til the beginning of broad daylight.

We don't need no god damned taxi fair
We're going to trim those hoes in a rocking chair
Take off all their rags.
We're going to play a little game call tag
Tomorrow night at the rotten cock sucker's ball
Ah, ah, ah.

Come on you poor ass singers and ya' big dick slingers
We're going downtown to the cocksucker's ball
Fuck, suck and fight 'til the beginning of broad daylight.

We don't need no god damned taxi fair
We're going to trim those hoes in a rocking chair
Take off all their rags.
We're going to play a little game call tag
Tomorrow night at the rotten cock sucker's ball
Cha, cha, cha, cha

At the rotten. (rotten)
Cock. (cock)
Suckers. (sucker's)
Rotten Cocksucker's Ball.

** Note: The word "Cock" in this song refers to the vagina. This meaning used to be common in the southern USA. This is derived from the French according to Legman.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: GUEST,Allan S.
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 02:01 PM

I heard the first version december 1953 as Fort Dix during basic training U.S.Army


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: PoppaGator
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:03 PM

It was at Fort Dix (1972-73) that I first encountered use of the word "cock" as a reference to the female (as opopsed to the male) genitalia.

I thought it was a Black (African-American) usage rather than a Southern one, but that's a distinction that is often confused/unclear.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:52 PM

PoppaGator:

I first heard it in1956 in Fort Riley. Wasn't particularly a black usage then.

clint


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 08:19 PM

I grew up in St. Louis in an all-white neighborhood 1947-1965. "Cock" there meant female genitalia. I don't know why. It wasn't until I moved to Minnesota that I realized this usage wasn't universal. In those days, you never saw language like that in print, let alone in films, etc., and there was little contact between the races (that I was aware of, anyway) so there was no easy way to compare usage in one region/ethnicity with another.

I suppose things are changing now.


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: John M.
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:55 AM

Here is another text of this song from ~1958.
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MOTHER HUMPERS BALL
(Tune - Darktown Strutters Ball)

Oh there's gonna be a ball at the Mother Humpers Hall
The witches and the bitches gonna be there all
Now honey don't be late, cause they're passin out the pussy, bout half past eight
Now I've humped in France and I've humped in Spain
I've even been humped on the coast of Maine
But the best piece I ever saw
Was when I humped my mother in law
Last Saturday night at the Mother Humpers Ball


Note: This is from pg. 93 of _The Fighter Pilot's Hymn Book_ compiled & edited by William Starr and issued ca 1958.   Oscar Brand was given a copy of this book which provided the songs for his _Wild Blue Yonder_ Air Force LP.


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: John M.
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:56 AM

Here is another text.  This version is from Australia.
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THE KINGS CROSS HARLOTS' BALL
(Tune: Darktown Strutters Ball)

Well I fucked in Cuba and I fucked in Spain,
And I fucked all over the Spanish Main,
But the best fuck of them all,
Was when I fucked my mother-in-law,
Last Saturday night at the Kings Cross harlots' ball.

                                               - Without her pants on!

Well, they lined a hundred shielas up against the wall,
And I bet five quid I could fuck them all,
But, when I got to ninety-eight,
I thought my poor old prick would break,
So I went down town and had some oyster stew,
And then came back and did the other two.
And now I'm feeling fine,
Got fuckin' right off my mind,
The other night at the Kings Cross harlots' ball.

And then I went on down to hell,
'Cos me and Nick we get on well;
I asked him for a glass of water -
When he went out I fucked his daughter.
When he came back with the glass,
I shoved that thing right up his arse,
And if you think that was a joke,
You should have heard my penis croak,
Last Saturday night at the Kings Cross harlots' ball.


Note: This is from pg. 35 of _Snatches & Lays_ 1st ed. 1962.


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: John M.
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:56 AM

Here is an adapted version by Shel Silverstein.
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FREAKIN' AT THE FREAKER'S BALL

Spoken:

Well there's gonna be a freakers ball
Yes, yes, tonight at the freakers hall
And you know, that you're invited one and all

Sung:

Come on babies grease your lips
Grab your hats and swing your hips
Don't forget to bring your whips
We're going to the freakers ball

Blow your whistle and bang your gong
Roll up something to take along
It feels so good it must be wrong
We're freakin at the freakers ball

Where all the fags and the dykes they're boogyin' together
The leather freaks are dressed in all kinds of leather
The greatest of the sadists and the masochists too
Screaming "Please hit me, and I'll hit you"

The FBI are dancing with the junkies
All the straights, are swinging with the fogies
Across the floor and up the wall
We're freakin at the freakers ball
Yall, we're freakin at the freakers ball

Short hairs and long hairs kissing each other
Brother with sister, son with mother
Smear my body up with butter
Take me to the freakers ball

Oh, pass that roach please and pour the wine
I'll kiss yours if you'll kiss mine
I'm gonna boogie till I go blind
We're freakin at the freakers ball

Oh, the white ones, black ones, yellow ones, red ones
Necrophiliacs looking for dead ones
The greatest of the sadist and the masochists too
Screaming "Please hit me, and I'll hit you"

Everybody's fallin' in batches
Pyromaniacs striking matches
I'm gonna itch me where it scratches
Freaking at the freaker's ball


 


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DARKTOWN STRUTTERS' BALL
From: John M.
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:57 AM

Here is the original song (recording and sheet music)
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THE DARKTOWN STRUTTERS' BALL (Shelton Brooks)

I've got some good news, honey,
An invitation to the Darktown Ball,
It's a very swell affair,
'Highbrows' will be there.

I'll wear my high silk hat and a frocktail coat,
You wear your Paris gown, and your new silk shawl.
There ain't no doubt about it, babe,
We'll be the best dressed in the hall.

Chorus

I'll be down to get you in a taxi, honey,
You better be ready about half past eight.
Now dearie, don't be late,
I want to be there when the band starts playing.

Remember when we get there, honey,
The two-steps, I'm goin' to have them all;
Goin' to dance out both my shoes,
When they play the 'Jelly-Roll Blues,'
Tomorrow night at the Darktown Strutters' Ball.

We'll meet our high-toned neighbors,
An exhibition of the 'Baby Dolls,'
And each one will do their best,
Just to outclass all the rest.

And there'll be dancers from ev'ry foreign land,
The classic, buck and wing, and the wooden clog.
We'll win that fifty dollar prize,
When we step out and 'Walk the Dog.'

Chorus repeats

    

Title: The Darktown strutter's ball
Composer/Lyricist: words and music by Shelton Brooks.
Publication: New York : Leo. Feist, c1917.


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 12:42 PM

toss up which would be constued as more offensive - although I did the darktown strutters earlier this year in a jam session at Loughborogh acoustic club.

I well remember the late Tony Capstick doing the Shel Shiverstein/Doctor Hook song. As I remember it as okay but didn't really cook with the folk club audience at Ampersand where I used to see him regularly - not like his best material.

As for the others I've never heard them before - good luck in finding an audience for them, other than the more adventurous returning rugby club coachful


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: GUEST, impersonating a person who crs abt JM's "co
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 10:37 AM

John, I just don't see any reason to collect these songs. Don't you have any interest in real music? It falls in the same category as my old friend's dissertation about the San Francisco Leatherman. Not worth reading.

harpy


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Son
From: Haruo
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:44 AM

Shouldn't "don't need no taxi fair" be "don't need no taxi fare"?

My former roommate Verne Eke does the "Darktown" version, which he learned from the author, to appreciative racially diverse audiences in retirement communities around western Washington.

Haruo
who finds the digressions on the dialectal diversity of the semantic fields of "cock" fascinating


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:29 AM

just goes to show one man's cock, is another man's poison

i think Bob Dylan said that.


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song
From: Snuffy
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 08:34 AM

I only ever once encountered "cock" in the meaning of female genitalia in a rhyme I learned aged about 8 or 9 in northern England in the mid/late 50's:

Put a penny in the slot
See what Betty Grable's got
Two big tita and a hairy cock
That's what Betty Grable's got

I thought it must have been a mistake by the people I learned it from, and they must have meant "twat" not "cock", but maybe not.


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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Son
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 02:07 PM

Do these people mean "female genitalia" when they say "cock" or do they simply use it "inclusively", i.e. to mean genitalia regardless of gender (so that they might talk about Betty Grable's cock or Clark Gable's cock, allowing the context to supply the specifications)? In other words, is this a different sense of the word or merely a (disconcertingly to those of us not accustomed to it) broader sense (not sure what to do about that unintended pun)?

Haruo


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