BS: Good Riddance to Trimble

Subject: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: The Curator
Date: 07 May 05 - 12:45 PM

Besides the great sucess of Sinn Feinn yesterday at the elections, many nationalists have another cause to celebrate, David Trimble the Ulster Unionist leader who called the Catholic people of Portadown (the area he represented in Westminister) DOGS. Yes the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize (there's a laugh) jumped before he was pushed. David Trimble danced hand in hand with Ian Paisley through the Catholic areas of Portadown after the government overturned a ban on the Orange Orders march through this Catholic area, shouting WE ARE GLAD TO BE BACK DOWN THE TRADITIONAL ROUTE). When John Hume stood up and said after he won the Nobel peace prize that he would hand his share of the one million pounds to charity, David didn't, he invested in property.This individual hated Catholics every bit as much as the man took over from Harold McCusker. The D.U.P. will work a deal with Sinn Fein dispite what they may say in public. So Good Riddance Mr. Trimble, our memories are long.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 05 - 02:04 AM

Isn't that the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 May 05 - 03:33 AM

I can't imagine why I am getting involved in this, I should get a life or put nails in my eyes first.

'The D.U.P. will work a deal with Sinn Fein', Paisley was ranting on the tv yesterday and his people people were shouting 'no surrender' in the background.

Trimble was a bigot. But as a consequence of something or other people and goverments have stopped killing each other and that is good.

Perhaps the current generation of Adams, MGinnes and Paisley have to go before some kind of working relationship can begin.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 08 May 05 - 05:44 AM

Of course it wouldn't do to suggest the Curator is just as bigoted as David Trimble, but of course he wouldn't be able to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: The Curator
Date: 08 May 05 - 07:04 AM

Clatter on Nellie.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 May 05 - 07:12 AM

Leave him alone Nellie, it's not worth it, do something that is fun instead

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 05 - 12:25 PM

Poor old nellie. Is your life so shallow you need an underdog to make you feel better? Sorry we can't invite you to stay in NI any longer to kick us about. Find a hobby.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 08 May 05 - 12:27 PM

... like pulling the wings off flies

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,GUEST 02.04 AM
Date: 09 May 05 - 08:59 AM

Nelly, GUEST of 12.25PM wasn't me. It was a different GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:17 AM

Interesting to hear Trimble this morning reflect on his defeat.
He said the the DUP can never represent mainstream Unionism, because it's main philosophical base draws from that of the Free Presbyterian Church, and its founder, Ian Paisley.

Official Ulster Unionism has crumbled, much like the Conservative Party in England has; due to inept politicians furthering policies that are not relevant to today's needs.
The DUP, likewise have no forward vision.

Which leaves us with Sinn Féin.
North and South of the Border.

Where would the smart money be?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Pied Piper
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:38 AM

I think the Curator should pm Martin Gibson, I think they'd get along like a petrol bomb on fire.
Maybe they could arrange to shoot someone in front of their five-year-old kid to make the world a better place.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,mick
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:39 AM

Daintey Davey blamed republicans for his downfall on the BBC today.They didn't fully embrace the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement apparantly .It's sad to hear him speaking of the Agreement as the high point of his career ; I can't remember any other time post 1999 when Davey spoke so favourably of it .He was urged to do so on countless occasions but was too busy trying to ward off attacks from the DUP and the right wing within his own party to embrace it and "come out fighting for it".
The people I feel sorry for are the unionists who voted pro agreement but were served so badly by their leaders. Many of these voters would have found themselves with nobody to vote for last week. And so now they find themselves landed with Paisley.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:50 AM

pied piper grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 09 May 05 - 10:08 AM

Not that it'll matter much to you.
You take your handle from someone who abducted loads of them

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 09 May 05 - 10:09 AM

that last one from me was directed at the Pied Piper...

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 09 May 05 - 03:38 PM

David Trimble you ARE the weakest link.

Goodbye!

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:05 PM

"Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?
Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?
Oh!
Sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, Trimble.
Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?"

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:15 PM

The Curator is one of the biggest Nazis here.

The Pied Piper crawls on his belly like a snake he has hung around with them so long.

Both of them reek.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: The Curator
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:35 PM

One of the D.U.P.'s front men Paul Berry has been making the news for all the wrong reasons lately. What I want to know IS A BERRY A FRUIT ?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:45 PM

... Somebody farted...

Did the Berry from Dingle get erected..., I mean elected?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: The Curator
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:46 PM

Yes he's in there, in more ways than one !

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:52 PM

Chuck Berry is amazing. Well into his '70s and still playing and performing last I heard.

Anyone ever try the corned beef at Sid Feinstein's deli?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: The Curator
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:57 PM

Tandragee DUP assembly member Paul Berry has denied he was involved recently with a gay masseur. I think these allegations must have come as A BLOW. He has worked hard BEATING the opposition. As for Paul when the news broke just before the election he said HE WOULD NOT BE PULLING OUT. He attends Tandragee Free Prebyterian church for HIS WEEKLY SERVICE. Tandragee could become the home of THE VILLAGE PEOPLE. Mr. Berry was shocked when he saw all the front pages of the local press. He found it HARD TO SWALLOW.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 09 May 05 - 05:29 PM

A rollicking boy, by the sounds of it... A real Speedicook!
(...it would have to tone, though in fairness)

Lock him up in Tatyo Castle
.. where the torture never stops...

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 05 - 05:32 PM

Would he be one of the Dingle Berrys?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 09 May 05 - 05:44 PM

Nice little bio of Paul

He looks well in his Wellingtons

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 10 May 05 - 02:00 AM

.... it is also an interesting thought that a vote for the DUP, in practice, meant a vote to keep the stalemate. As the DUP will not go into government with Sinn Féin, de-commissioning or no (as Paisley intimated to Seamus McKee in a BBC radio interview yesterday), Direct Rule will continue just as it has been.

A situation, incidentally, which nobody wants; especially the DUP.

De-commissioning is a no-go neither.

Because to claim that only the signatories to the Agreement are bound by it, is to turn the logic around. If the Loyalist Death Squads are not pressed to hand in their weapons, purely on the basis that they never agreed to do it, in the first place, why should the onus be solely on the IRA? They never agreed to do it before the agreement, and look at the trouble they got into because of that.

Why should the same pressure not be levelled at the Loyalists?

And why has this not been an ongoing subject for discussion?

Anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Guest, Big
Date: 10 May 05 - 02:31 AM

Re Berry,

If you have an argument, don't belittle it with such small-minded, bigoted, ignorance.

Since when was a person's sexuality an issue?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 10 May 05 - 02:37 AM

If you're in the DUP, believe me it is, Tim.

'Sodomites', they call them

The rest of us just call them hypocrites

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 10 May 05 - 02:39 AM

30, incidentally

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: The Curator
Date: 10 May 05 - 05:59 AM

The night Rosemary Nelson was murdered Paul Berry brought a Lambeg drum into Portadown and stood playing it while another well known DUP member from the area played the sash on a whistle. This was done in front of the candlelight mourners with of course the R.U.C. protecting him. I saw it, so don't say it didn't happen. It began a riot, next day the deputy cheif constable blamed the drumming for starting the trouble, (didn't mention his own men). The DUP always hit out hard against homosexuals, their shout is I SHALL NOT LIE WITH MAN AS I SHALL LIE WITH WOMAN. So this is why it's news over here. A pack of bigoted hypocrites. Three years ago two were chased from Paisleys bible college for lifting shirt tails, last year another DUP councilor was sacked after a conviction for making daily abusive sexual remarks to a lady in his office.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Pied Piper
Date: 10 May 05 - 07:04 AM

The Pied Piper of cause is a mythical entity, as is the concept of a formerly united Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Guest, Big Tim
Date: 10 May 05 - 09:02 AM

Save Ulster from Sodomy, yea I know.

But by all means criticise a person for their political actions but don't scoff at any one for their sexual proclivities Such pettiness does the (once noble) cause of Irish republicanism no good whatsoever.

btw Tir Chonaill, I have two brothers in Tir Chonnail: born there, raised there, and who have lived there since 1966, spot on the Border, and they both share my views, which I believe are more representive of the Irish people generally.

PS It was never 100 - 0, either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 10 May 05 - 07:25 PM

Not acording to an inscription on the wall of Rattenfängerhaus in Hamelin, Pied Piper

In the year of 1284, on John's and Paul's day
was the 26th of June.
By a piper, dressed in all kind of colors,
130 children born in Hamelin were seduced
and lost at the calvarie near the koppen.

Fictitious or no, I would wonder what image you were conjuring up for yourself when you chose your moniker, oh child killer?
'Cos that's what I always knew that character to be.
'Seduced' is an interesting choice of word, as well, don't you think?
Unfortunate choice if you ask me....

But what is it you actually object to about a United Ireland?
Is it just because that the IRA kicked your ass well and good?
That your beloved United Queendom was humiliated as a Human Rights violator in front of the whole World?
Are you not supportive of peoples' self-determination?

Nahhh, you just hate to be beaten....
I know that, and I'll tell you that at every turn, Pied Piper

Nonesense Tim. In 1969 Sinn Féin had no representatives in Stormont, and if you look at the 32 County Ireland as a whole, Sinn Féin are progressing steadily.
Your brothers' never voted for Neil Blaney, or Pat 'The Cope', then?

Republicanism is very strong in Ireland, Tim. And very latent.
And people are getting tired of stale old parties both in the northeast, and in the area that is known as 'The Republic'

I am reminded of something Churchill sayed to De Valera: "Dealing with you Irish is like trying to lift mercury with a fork" (sic)
.. to which De Valera replied: "You should try using a spoon"

Why not be happy for us instead, everyone.
The biggest party in the north of Ireland is the one we have to look out for, Tim; Paisley's Mob

Here's a little quote:
"Dec. 7, 1981 Amid rising tensions, Paisley's paramilitary makes its debut 'Left, left, left, right, left.' As the column of men approached, a hymn singing crowd of Protestants who had gathered in the main square of the community of Newtownards outside of Belfast grew silent. The militant Protestant leader, the Rev. Ian Paisley, had spoken of the "third force," his shadowy army of vigilantes, and now they appeared out of the night, marching three abreast, in ranks some 5,500 strong. A few strutted with the gait of trained infantrymen. Others stumbled to keep in step. But whether wearing face..."

One wonders who they handed their weapons in to.

If anyone for one moment thinks that the Nationalist population of the north of Ireland are not still under threat, try grasping what Paisley could summon up by clicking his fingers.

You should be ashamed of yourself, Tim; sitting there in Cúlturlann promoting your book, in an area of town where if it wasn't for the IRA, there would have been no Falls Road to come to, let alone a Culture house (named in our almost lost mother tongue) for you to be able to celebrate your 'freedom of speech' in.

The Nazis in this scenario here are the far right of Unionism. From the days of the Tartan Gangs (the World's first neo-nazis), to The Shankhill Butchers, to The UDR, the RUC, and the Umbrella organisation for all of it: The Third Force

We're almost done with the British de-militarisation.
What we want to see is an end to ALL privately held weapons.
Where is your problem with that, Tim?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 10 May 05 - 08:05 PM

You wouldn't have this in Paisley's Ulster, Tim.

Be thankful

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 10 May 05 - 09:14 PM

"Why should the same pressure not be levelled at the Loyalists?

And why has this not been an ongoing subject for discussion?"

C'mon Tim.
Chop chop

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Guest, Big Tim
Date: 11 May 05 - 03:27 AM

In the North, SF are only taking votes from the SDLP. Or have they changed the minds of some unionists? Even if they won every seat in the 26 counties, they wouldn't get a united Ireland. I'm sure most people in the 26 would like to see re-unification but in the real world that won't make it happen. Am I right or am I wrong? If wrong, why?                                                      

Unity can only come when unionists change their views and become nationalists, neutrals, or emigrants. And I believe that the SDLP approach is more conducive towards that end (except for emigration).

ps the publishers had a pretty good idea of my moderate nationalist views when they took me to Culturlaan and Rossa House. I paid my little bit of homage at the graves of Tom Williams, Mairead Farrell and others, doesn't mean I agree with what they did. For me, it's a question over head over heart. For you Cheer, it seems to be the other way round. And, sadly, our beautiful mother tongue is not going to be making a major comeback, though I hope I'm wrong on that one.                                                            

pps, re, "Promoting my book" - it cost me more in expenses that I ever earned in royalties.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Pied Piper
Date: 11 May 05 - 06:50 AM

Tiocfaidh your time came and went in the 1930s and 40's with the rest of the Fascists.
What hope for peace when a pub full of Sin Fein/PIRA supports and candidates see a murder and refuse to assist the police in arresting the culprit?

PP

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 May 05 - 07:13 AM

Poor oul Tim he has been looking over his shoulder so long he has a stiff neck, show some courage Tim, none of the lads you were with in Belfast did you any harm, we wont bite you.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 11 May 05 - 06:29 PM

.. and the SDLP took votes off the Unionists, Tim
In fact there are a vast number of 'Unionists' who for a long time now have been driving that journey down to Dublin to apply for, and get, what they are entitled to:

Their Irish Passports.

What 'homage' did you pay that you didn't mean, Tim?
How does one do that, anyway?

I suggest that your principles were heavily sacrificed in the hope that you'd make a few bob (don't get hung up on the semantics, here... I'm not suggesting that you are a promiscuous homosexual)

I believe you were asked a question..., two of them, in fact, 3 posts up.
If you don't count that bit of drivel the child seducer posted.

Our time is NOW and the future. Pied Piper
Did you not see the election results, or have you got your 'la la la, I'm not listening' headphones on again?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 11 May 05 - 08:26 PM

You're wrong, because you have no idea of the realities of the situation. You say you 'may be wrong' on other issues (which you invaribaly are). Accept that you 'may be wrong' on this also.

'Head over heart'
Does that stink of hypocrisy or what?

Even bigger-time down in the old estimation ranks, Tim.

You did it for MONEY

I'm glad it didn't work out for you.
Truly glad

With disrespect like what you've shown, you don't deserve it.

There's a couple of questions that still remain unanswered, and I would love to know why you (and the rest of the Straw Man crew here) haven't made an attempt at it:

"Why should the same pressure not be levelled at the Loyalists?

And why has this not been an ongoing subject for discussion?"

Choppity chop!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: ard mhacha
Date: 12 May 05 - 06:21 AM

The ever-swelling migrant people are driven out of all of the Loyalist districts of our towns, if we, the Nationalists are described also as bigots, why do the Polish lads in our street ask me for a map of the town so that they can pinpoint for there friends known Loyalist areas, and avoid them.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 12 May 05 - 06:34 AM

That is the beauty of it, ard mhacha.

The Loyalists are all-encompassing in their bigotry.

I saw on the news once, where planning permission for a Mosque in Portadown was sought for, and one of the local Free Presbyterian 'ministers' went around the main street with flyers and telling young children that... AND I QUOTE... "Muslims eat their children, so we don't want them here, do we?"
A couple of children, not surprisingly, answered "No"

It's not that they just don't want Catholics in their midst.
They don't ant ANYBODY other than themselves in their midst.

Protestant country for a Protestant people, and all that....

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 May 05 - 06:50 AM

Fictitious or no, I would wonder what image you were conjuring up for yourself when you chose your moniker, oh child killer?
'Cos that's what I always knew that character to be.
'Seduced' is an interesting choice of word, as well, don't you think?
Unfortunate choice if you ask me.... (Tiocfaidh)

Never let the truth get into the way of a good story.

(1) 'Seduce' is an overly creative translation, 'led away' is correct.
(2) 'Children' in the way you use it is completely wrong though verbatim. 'Children' here means 'people born in...'. I don't know whether in English it can be used in that way, but 'the sons of Hameln' would be a good translation.
(3) The real background is most probably that at that time people were looked for who would be ready to go to the East ('go East, young man') to settle in parts of what now is Poland. 130 followed the call and were never seen again in Hameln.
(4) All the rest is later invention.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 07:31 AM

Translated as 'seduced' here

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 07:34 AM

and here

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 07:39 AM

A German student at the University of Stuttgart is responsible for the last link..

Have words with him, Wolfie...

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 07:42 AM

Ahhh he's a Professor of Linguistics!!

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 08:12 AM

This is what the good Professor does for a living: Parallel text-based optimization for language learning, exploiting multilingual alignment for the induction of syntactic grammars

I certainly wouldn't argue too much with the way he translates things, Wolfgang.

But then again...
You are...
Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 08:13 AM

50

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 May 05 - 09:43 AM

GUEST,

why should I argue with the learned man's translation? I think it is a good translation of 'verledet'.

Clean your glasses and read again the text at your second link:

130 children born in Hamelin were deduced

deduced in my Webster's dictionary is given among other definitions as 'led away', just as I said.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 11:23 AM

Does 'S' sit beside 'D' on your keyboard?

What do you deduce from that?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 11:25 AM

Is 'Sons of Hameln' a good translation, do you think, given that there were young girls in the posse?

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 12 May 05 - 12:08 PM

Oi Wolfgang?

Go away off and start a translation thread of your own.

I can't find the reference now, but I pulled that translation from a fairly decent source, none of which were linked to above.
... and I cut and pasted it as shown.

At least there is some consensus, and the 'child-killer' reference is spot on, anyway.

So bugger off voluntarily
Or unvoluntarily, as you sometimes like to put it

Riddance to you.
In varying degrees, ranging from good, to extremely indifferent.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 12 May 05 - 12:17 PM

Tiocfaidh,

well, if you don't like to learn something new or hate being corrected on a detail I can't help it. That's completely your choice. I love learning things that were new to me and I appreciate corrections.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 12 May 05 - 01:07 PM

Nothing to be corrected about, Wolfgang.

The source I used was good enough for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Spirit of Liberty Hall
Date: 21 May 05 - 06:15 PM

Sometimes I wonder what planet you Shinners live on. Ranting on about neo nazis. What would you call de Valera? If Dev's Republic wasn't a Fascist state to rival Franco's and Salazar's I don't know what was. What a different Ireland we might have had if James Connolly had have been the survivor of Easter Week ...but then all the good Catholic bhoys of the Ra wouldn't have liked his Ireland, would they? They prefer the ramblings of thon eejit Pearse, with his martyrdom fixation. When Gerry trots out his sound bites trying to sound like a latter day Wolfe Tone, embracing Protestant and Dissenter it hides the airbrushing from Irish history of Protestant radicals and Republicans such as William Drennan and latterly Jack White and Bulmer Hobson. Sinn Fein's bluff has been called. It cannot divorce itself from the murderers, extortionists, drug dealers and corner boys who do their dirty work under the grandiose title of an Army. The voters are realising who has failed the democratic test all along, and who has failed to deliver on the Agreement promises.They are as redundant as Bill Craig's Vanguard.

Subject: RE: BS: Good Riddance to Trimble
From: GUEST,Paddymac
Date: 21 May 05 - 07:27 PM

I doubt that any of us are entirely free of bigotry. Bias and prejudice are two sides of the same coin. For me, it's a constant struggle to be aware of it in my own thoughts and actions, and to make intelligent or thoughtful choices instead. My life is all the richer for the wonderful people I've known and know who are different than I. It seems as though we live in a time when intolerance of many kinds has become all too prevalent.