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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semiti From: Dave'sWife Date: 21 May 05 - 12:13 AM John: I heard the anti-semitic version of this song sung AT a Jewish History teacher in the Public Junior Highschool& Highschool I attended in the mid to late 70s. They would sing those "sons of Davey.. join the Yiddish Navy' lines and they referred not to crooked noses but to 'big, big noses. It bothered me very much. These kids also tortured him in other ways such as throwing pennies at him in the Hallway. This was in a Bedroom community of NYC populated mainly by "WASP" type families. There was an underclass of Italian Catholic families who were descended from Italian Stone-cutters who had settled in the town after 1880, having been brought over to build the huge homes that dotted the hills which sourrounded the town. The homes & their residents were referred to as 'The Hill-Toppers.' I lived there then because my father was in Law Enforcement and had been assigned to a nearby barracks. Most Catholic kids attended Parochial School through at least the 6th grade and most through the 8th Grade. The wealthier WASP kids had a private Day School and a Boarding school. The Public School was mostly Upper-Middle Class WASP kids and then come the 8th grade, there would be an influx of the Catholic Kids whose families couldn't afford to send them to Catholic Highschool. There were only 2 Jewish students, a pair of sisters and 3 African American students. All the minority and working-class kids stuck together. All of us were subjected to similar treatment as the History teacher as well. They had nasty songs for all of us. The teacher in question considered the taunts to be a game of one-upmanship. He'd sometimes sing along with the kids but would sing different words. I presume he was singing the correct lyrics. he'd also go and pick up the pennies and put them in a jar on his desk. I think he felt that he was besting them somehow. He wasn't; it only encouraged them more. They also sang some horrible song about a 'Wandering Jew' to him. I would say that the year I first heard the song would have been 1976 when I was in the seventh Grade and the last time I heard it would have been 1980, when I began attending college off-campus for half-days as a Junior in High-school. I hope this info is useful to you. Forgive my typos. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: John M. Date: 20 May 05 - 01:21 PM Ok, I talked with Aaron Baranan part writer of the "Song of the Volunteers". He says that someone was singing a fragment of "Fight, Fight for Palestine" and that Aaron Baranan, Louis Cohen, Brenner and Max Kampler said that was "crap" because Palestine doesn't exist anymore -- Israel exists. They wrote the Song of the Volunteers based upon that fragment. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: John M. Date: 19 May 05 - 04:11 PM A longer version of this song:
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: Cool Beans Date: 17 May 05 - 11:16 AM John, I learned the song in the 1960s when I was in college, from a friend who is not Jewish. I am Jewish. I wasn't offended; I found it funny, Still do. I'd sing it for you but I authentically know only the two lines: "Men with broken noses.." and "Make your big decision." If you can't find someone more knowledeable, PM me and we can set something up. CB |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semiti From: GUEST,DK Date: 17 May 05 - 09:19 AM I learned this song in the 80's (in Young Judaea) as follows: Men with crooked noses, join the ranks of Moses Fight fight fight for Palestine. Brothers of Salami, join the Yiddish army Fight fight fight for Palestine. Matza balls, kreplach, Manashevitz wine We will live and die for Palestine, so... Make the right decision, get a circumcision Fight fight fight for Palestine. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: John M. Date: 16 May 05 - 03:42 PM Cool Beans, when did you learn you version? In what context? Would you be willing to sing it over the phone to me (see numbers above)? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: Cool Beans Date: 16 May 05 - 03:30 PM I've heard the added verse: Make your big decision Get your circumscision. Fight, fight, fight for Palestine. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semiti From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 May 05 - 01:11 PM Hi John- I had it sung at me by some of the Italian kids in the playground at Aenue P and Ocean Parkway, Brooklyn NY. ca 1942 is my best guess. Nothing really good-natured about it at the time. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: John M. Date: 16 May 05 - 12:03 PM Dick Greenhaus, Are you saying that you learned your version in the EARLY 1940's? If you can remember, from whom, where & in what context did you learn your version? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: GUEST,Allen Date: 16 May 05 - 11:33 AM The Yiddish Navy does sound familiar. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semiti From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 May 05 - 08:34 AM Wht I heard in the early 40 was: Sons of bread and gravy Join the Yiddish Navy Fight Fight Fight or Palestine! Men who love salami Join the Yiddish Army Fght Fight Fight for Palestine! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: John M. Date: 15 May 05 - 11:04 AM
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 14 May 05 - 02:51 PM --Rudolf Friml. I think clint |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 14 May 05 - 02:47 PM "Song of the Vagabonds (?)" from "The Vagabond King." "Sons of toil & danger, will you serve a stranger, & bow down to Burgundy? Sons of shame & sorrow, will you cheer tomorrow, or bow down to Burgundy?" cliint |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semiti From: GUEST,Joe Offer Date: 14 May 05 - 01:46 PM This song is a parody of SOMETHING, but I can't quite figure what song. I think it's one of those dramatic Sigmund Romberg songs of the 1920's, but that's only a hunch. Can anybody identify the root song? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: Lyr Add: 'You, You Sons of Moses' Anti-Semitic From: John M. Date: 13 May 05 - 07:15 PM Hello everyone, If you are easily offended, please STOP READING. This thread is for mature audiences only. Please don't post "dreadful song" or "worst song written" as you are not helping. Below is a traditional song titled: "You, You Sons of Moses" (recording)
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