BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 22 Jan 07 - 10:15 AM

The only programme I've enjoyed watching at all is the one where he goes into failing restaurants and tries to turn them around. Some of the idiots who try to run a restaurant haven't a clue how to go about it, and while I partly feel pity for some of them, it's often great comedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jan 07 - 11:20 AM

I wonder if he is trying to tone down his image? Last night I saw a bit of his show. A customer returned an appetiser, said it was disgusting and refused to pay for the meal.

He turned to his kitchen staff who stood by in terror and asked them what they should do? One said "Get the rest of the meal right" and he agreed and sent them all back to the kitchen. No shouting. No swearing.

I changed the channel because I can't stand him anyway. Much prefer Iron Chef and the latest reality show Top Chef(?) where one contestant keeps screwing up (adding sugar to a low cal meal, eg) then bursting into tears when she gets caught.

No - I do not spend valuable productive time on this. The reruns go on at about 1AM when I pay my bills.

I do enjoy The Barefoot Contessa as well. She has absolute orgasms over food. Hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 22 Jan 07 - 12:42 PM

My nephew works for Gordon Ramsay (he's the 'different chef' referred to in Chanteyranger's post of 01:27 above.) He has followed him to three different restaurants over the years, and despite being headhunted by various household names, wouldn't work for anyone else.

I've met Gordon several times now, and firmly believe the following to be true, even if mutually exclusive: Gordon has immense personal charm; he makes you think you matter, even when there's no advantage to him. He is considerate to his staff, and rewards ability; he is inconsiderate to his staff, and makes demands on them which verge on slavery sometimes. He has absolutely no tolerance of the second-rate. Anyone who stays the distance in one of his restaurants will end up as a chef with the best CV in the world, grateful as hell, and glad they don't have to do it all again. He has had his sensitivity filter removed, so that he will make the cruellest remarks to harmless people who get deeply hurt. The bottom line, though, is that he's close to genius as a cook - I tend towards inverse snobbery when it comes to food, and don't know one end of a classy menu from the other, but when I've eaten at Claridges I've had no trouble recognising that I've moved into a different dimension.

Oh, and as far as I can tell on my limited acquaintance, the 'trade-mark' swearing is just that: he turns it on in the kitchen and when the cameras roll. His decision: his multi-millions.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: bubblyrat
Date: 22 Jan 07 - 01:43 PM

Aren"t we humans funny?? We look down,with contempt,upon those who haven"t "made it" in life---Losers, No-hopers, Wasters,Loafers,we cry !!! Then,when we encounter someone who HAS made a success of their life,out comes the Envy and the Jealousy !! They are,of course, Loud-mouthed,self-opinionated,egocentric,ruthless,ambitious,thoughtless,cruel,domineering-----the list goes on & on & on,if you want it to .Now, I don"t much care for Gordon Ramsey as a person,& I wouldn"t go out of my way to make his acquaintance, BUT he is GOOD TELEVISION, he KNOWS WHAT HE"S TALKING ABOUT, and I enjoy watching him shake people up and turn LOSERS into WINNERS ------I only wish to GOD that I had the talent to do that !! He must be a very happy & contented total prat ---but I suspect that not all Prats are. HUMANUM EST ERRARE !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:26 AM

The bottom line, though, is that he's close to genius as a cook - I tend towards inverse snobbery when it comes to food, and don't know one end of a classy menu from the other, but when I've eaten at Claridges I've had no trouble recognising that I've moved into a different dimension.

Your comments are interesting Rusty Dobro. But it's just food, when it comes down to it. Do we need to get that excited about it? Yes, I've been for good meals (not at Ramsay's, but I've eaten in restaurants run by other good chefs such as Rick Stein, Robert Carrier, etc.) and appreciated them, but I think maybe you can go over the top with something as basic as cooking a meal.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:35 AM

Depends on your idea of 'making it in life'. Not everyone counts their blessings in coin of the realm.

My idea of 'making it' is to have people who love me, people I love, food enough to be able to share, and at my death, someone say 'she was a good person, tried her hardest not to hurt anyone, one of the best'.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:44 AM

I think maybe you can go over the top with something as basic as cooking a meal.
Sorry, but I disagree. That's like saying you can go over the top with something as basic as singing a song or playing a tune or writing a story. To me good food is as important a sensual pleasure as good music or good literature.
I find people who regard food as 'merely fuel' to be very depressing, and feel sorry for them. If you can find them, two films which can help you appreciate the sensual importance of food are 'Tampopo' and 'Babette's Feast'.
Cooking may be 'only' cooking, but it is also capable of huge sophistication and subtlety, with a vast number of variables. It is an art form.
Ramsey is an excellent chef because he doesn't cut corners, because he has a good palate, a creative imagination and because he is a perfectionist. That he can also be a bully is a pity, but he did learn his trade at the hands of a notorious bully (albeit a bully who was also an excellent chef). It's a pity he's taken on the mantle of his mentor - and it's to Angela Hartnett's credit at the Connaught that she is able to be a nice person and an excellent chef (though not yet in Ramsay's league).
To call him a prat on the basis of his television work is facile. It's like calling a musician a prat when you've never heard him or her play and have just seen them talk. The man may have traits that you find abrasive, but he's certainly not a prat. A prat to me is someone who debases himself or herself for the television by showing people how to cut corners and how to disguise mediocrity with a few frills. Fanny Craddock and Ainsley Harriot spring to mind in that genre.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:50 AM

I agree that people who strive to set new standards are important, that we shouldn't settle for second best, etc. But to trample over people just in the pursuit of making a perfect meal is to me, going too far.

I don't think Ramsay is a prat, by any means. He knows what he's doing and is very successful at what he does. It's a pity that others have to suffer to allow him to do so. I do think he's arrogant though (but it's arguable that someone good at what they do is entitled to be arrogant) and his childish constant swearing I find tiresome (not offensive, just irritating).

As I said, it's only food. Something we need to allow us to do the things that really matter, like making music :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:09 AM

"total prat"

I love these British expressions. Is a total prat anything like a "complete and utter tosser"?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:20 AM

Pretty much, Little Hawk.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: guitar
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:24 AM

the man is a total idiot, I mean he's just a cook, I mean would he find it funny if someone did that to him, I don't think so.

he should repects others the arsehole.

Tom Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Grab
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:43 AM

But it's just food, when it comes down to it. Do we need to get that excited about it?

"It's just music. Do we need to get that excited about it?"

Last time I saw Ramsay on TV was one of those failing-restaurant shows. He went in and absolutely pulled them apart, but you could tell the reason was that he was so passionate about the restaurant putting good quality food on the table. The chef and his mate were clearly not prepared to make the effort and up their game, and Ramsay was really having to keep them working. On the other hand, there was a young lad there who was only 18 or 19 but was prepared to give it a go, and the head waiter who did flambeing at the table as showmanship was also good, and Ramsay had nothing but praise for both of them. Bottom line, he didn't let anyone get away with anything, so if they screwed up then he'd let them know, but equally if they got it right then he would be really effusive in telling them what a good job they were doing.

It might not be nice to be told about every little thing you get wrong, but you won't improve otherwise; and conversely you also need to be told when you get something absolutely right. I've worked with people like that, as most of us probably have. Most of them aren't people who I'd like to keep as friends, but if their reason for doing it is to get a good result, that's something you can at least respect and work with. From what I've seen, Ramsay isn't after a Claridges-standard performance from everyone - all he's after is the basic competence to do the simple stuff well.

As for the vegetarian thing, if Terry K's account of the programme is correct, it's pretty ironic in how it happened. It's no-one's fault except the veggie's in not checking (or tasting - duh!) what he was eating - if someone has food intolerances/preferences, it's THEIR responsibility to check before they eat.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: guitar
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 02:19 PM

I mean my sister and neice are both vegetarians, and I respect them for that, I mean I wouldn't expect them to eat meat.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: jeffp
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 03:42 PM

Ramsay is just a cook. And Segovia was just a guitar picker.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Big Phil
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 07:16 PM

Sock it to em Gordon.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 08:47 AM

its an out rage on all people you should respect them
so you think they should eat meat thats fine but they don't so get used to it

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:05 AM

As for the vegetarian thing, if Terry K's account of the programme is correct, it's pretty ironic in how it happened. It's no-one's fault except the veggie's in not checking (or tasting - duh!) what he was eating - if someone has food intolerances/preferences, it's THEIR responsibility to check before they eat.

I'm not sure all vegetarians would agree with that, Graham (I'm not one myself, just to make that clear). If a restaurant serves a meal advertised as suitable for vegetarians, and it turns out not to be the case, I would hold the restaurant responsible.

I guess it's not always possible in any case, for a veggie to be able to tell from the taste, whether a dish has any animal content (e.g. if animal fat is used to cook something it may not be particularly easy to detect by taste, depending on the other ingredients).

As I said, I'm not a veggie but I respect the right of veggies to be served with what they asked for.

A veggie friend of ours was out for lunch with us and she ordered a veggie dish. They brought her what turned out to be the non-veggie version, and she ate a fair amount of it before she suspected something was wrong. She questioned the waiter and he checked and confirmed the wrong dish had been served. Our friend was quite upset to know she had been eating animal products - I regard that as a serious lapse by the restaurant.

To add insult to injury, when I paid the bill, the waiter asked "Was everything all right?". I won't record my response - suffice to say I didn't leave a tip :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: John Routledge
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:19 AM

It sees a bit severe for a vegetarian to beat themselves over the head if they eat half a meal which was not what they ordered and the difference was not immediately apparent.

Different story if they prepared it themselves

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM

It's also a bit severe to blame the waiter for what was obviously the cook's error.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scoville
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:48 AM

Okay, using "tosser" to describe "prat" is not helping the Americans. Is "prat" closer to a)loser, b)jerk, c)f*ck-up?

And what is it with chefs these days? I know it takes a lot of work to be good at it (as it takes a lot of work to be really good at anything, as a bunch of musicians well know) but it seems like chefs are the prima donnas du jour right now. They're all over TV screaming at their employees and mocking their customers. Sorry, I don't think anyone is entitled to be that arrogant no matter how good they are at anything--that's just self-centered, egotistical, and childish. Sort of in the same category as fashion designers demanding thinner and thinner women because they are ARTISTS and their clothes are supposed to hang a certain way and they should apparently be exempted from the rules of basic good health. Well, get a goddamned coat rack, because humans aren't supposed to look like that. Either that, or learn to cut clothes that look good on curves, since you're so freakin' smart.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:54 AM

It's also a bit severe to blame the waiter for what was obviously the cook's error.

I don't think it's obvious at all. How is the customer to know whether the error is the waiter or the chef's? For all we knew the waiter could have made the error when he wrote down the order.

In any case, the waiter is the customer's point of contact with the restaurant, so it's him I communicate my wishes, complaints, etc. through. If he's not to blame personally, it's up to him to take it up with the chef or whoever is responsible. Basically, I don't care which individual is to blame, but I hold the business (the restaurant) responsible.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: sapper82
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:58 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scoville - PM
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:48 AM

Okay, using "tosser" to describe "prat" is not helping the Americans. Is "prat" closer to a)loser, b)jerk, c)f*ck-up?

Probably about the same as being a wazzock.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 10:02 AM

Then talk to the manager. It's your responsibility to find out who to blame before apportioning it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 10:05 AM

You also received a check I presume. It's easy to read what was written on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 10:07 AM

Okay, using "tosser" to describe "prat" is not helping the Americans. Is "prat" closer to a)loser, b)jerk, c)f*ck-up?

Could be a or b, or can just mean idiot. Basically these words are applied to someone you have contempt for, for whatever reason.

("Toss" is slang for "m*st*rb*te".)

Sorry, I don't think anyone is entitled to be that arrogant no matter how good they are at anything--that's just self-centered, egotistical, and childish.

I agree with you, but if someone is arrogant and good at what they do, it's more tolerable than someone who is arrogant and not good at what they do (such people are truly insufferable, and I've known one or two like that) - that's the point I was trying to get across. I don't condone his behaviour at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:01 PM

Foul mouth scottish prat would describe him better

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Grab
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 06:34 AM

If a restaurant serves a meal advertised as suitable for vegetarians, and it turns out not to be the case, I would hold the restaurant responsible.

Sure. But if a free-samples place is saying "here, try one of these" and you say "sure" and stuff your face without asking, it's not their fault if you eat something non-veggie. :-)

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 07:16 AM

Of course you're right there, Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 07:20 PM

.....he is an artist, after all, and they are sensitive types......

Not, apparently, sensitive to the feelings of others. Calling him a prat, or an arsehole is quite frankly an gratuitous insult to prats and arseholes everywhere. He's nowhere near that high on the food chain.

As for patronising any restaurant that would allow him in a kitchen, I'd rather eat worms. Come to think of it, the way his mind works.....

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: alanabit
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:01 AM

When I was recovering from hepatitis B back in 1986, I had a series of relapses, which literally had me vomiting and crawling around the floor. Most nights I would wake up with stomach pains and it would take an hour or more until I was able to get back to sleep again. A friend advised me to eat little meat, if at all. I simply used up the meat in my fridge and I have never bought the stuff again. The pains at night ceased within days and the relapses stopped.
On one occasion, when I was travelling, I specified a vegetarian lasagne in a restaurant. I had eaten a few mouthfuls before I stopped and challenged the waiter. "There is only a little meat in it..." It may only have been a little to him, but to me it meant a night (and I had a gig) when I did not have a complete hour of not running to the toilet. It hurt my stomach too.
The words "total prat" would be something close to a compliment compared to what I really think about the likes of Gordon Ramsey. I never have offered food with excrement, vomit, saliva or mucus in it. That is how we vegetarians feel about it when someone thinks it is funny to poison our food.
I will never enter one of Ramsay's establishments. I won't buy into this fallacy of the temperamental genius. The real quality people in any walk of life have always been unfailingly courteous and kind to me and those around them. It is not necessary to be a tyrant to make any working environment function better. As previous posters have noted, this cook is a metaphor for a certain type of media figure currently in vogue. The bully as a media sensation is not a very savoury characteristic of our times.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:27 AM

The bully as a media sensation is not a very savoury characteristic of our times.

Or sweet for that matter :-)

Well said, alanabit.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:39 AM

He's probably a good cook but with the constant flow of profanities, I doubt that I could ever consider him to be a Chef. A real chef is an artist & what you say effects what you think. He did a series on rescuing restaurants that was pretty good though. Guess I'm just a Jamie Oliver kinda guy!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:40 AM

jeffp wrote: Then talk to the manager. It's your responsibility to find out who to blame before apportioning it.

I disagree. As I said, I'm not interested in apportioning blame to any individual. I don't care who is to blame - why should I? If I have a complaint I should be able to tell the waiter, and rely on him passing it on to the manager. I would then expect the manager to take appropriate action to deal with the problem, and make sure it doesn't happen again - but I don't need or want to know any details.

But of course I would ask to speak to the manager if I didn't get a satisfactory response from the waiter.

You also received a check I presume. It's easy to read what was written on it.

Yes, but as you don't normally get a check until the end of the meal (in a UK restaurant, anyway) it would be too late to be of any use, apart from confirming the order was wrong. Unless you are assuming the check is handed to you at the start, like in a fast food restaurant?

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:22 PM

You stiffed the waiter on the tip. That has no effect on the cook. If it's the cook's fault, you took it out on the waiter unnecessarily. Reading the check would have allowed you to apportion blame properly. Instead, you took it out on the closest person, who may or may not have deserved it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:05 PM

he´s one of those people that makes me feel sad to be British, If i worked for him there would be Bloody nose soup on the menu. I cant understand why he hasnt been decked years ago. and i´m a pascifist....

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: GUEST,Shiv
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 06:28 PM

I must admit that what Gordon did was unacceptable. I wonder if he would have had the balls to try and fool a muslim into eating pork and then laughed about it. I will never go into any establishment belonging to him and i will tell as many people as possible about this incident at the Italian Restaurant.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Becca72
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:13 PM

Let me first say, I love "Kitchen Nightmares"

Secondly to address the issue of 'unwanted' items in your food...I am allergic to uncooked tomatoes. I get hives and they make me vomit. So I always make sure to tell the waiter "no tomatoes" whenever I order anything with even the remotest chance of having any in the dish. When my meal arrives know what I do? Instead of getting half way through and starting to break out and get nauseous, I CHECK before I even begin eating. It's my allergy and my responsibility to make sure I don't eat what I cannot. From the description of the person above who actually watched the show in question it was not Gordon Ramsey's fault the kid didn't ask if it contained meat, though I will admit he can be a real ass and probably shouldn't have found it so funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: goatfell
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 08:13 PM

to use on of his words he's an ARSEHOLE

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 12:15 AM

The coming season remind me about the actions of this "so-called" total prat:

Remember about Christmas last year that fog descended on Heathrow?

I think Ramsay's "Hells Kitchen" is based on the US West Coast.

Well on the 23rd December one of the last aircraft to get into Heathrow was a plane from the US carrying Gordon Ramsay. Immediately on landing he transferred from Heathrow to Brize Norton and flew out to Khandahar in Afghanistan. He then arrived at Camp Bastion and cooked Christmas Dinner for 720 men of 42 Commando Royal Marines, and he did personally cook it, he didn't supervise, he actually cooked it. In addition to that he had brought with him "goodies bags" for everyone, he got a bit ticked off when he found that the whisky miniatures have been confiscated.

When he was finished he got back on a plane and flew back to UK for Christmas with his family.

Now anybody that knows about jet-lag can tell you just the travelling would be gruelling enough - oh and to add to all that, everything was paid for out of his own pocket, to make up for the whisky that went missing he bought beer instead that would work out about £500 per round.

So if you're going to call the man a total prat, or a tosser, I wouldn't advise you to do it round Plymouth in anything other than the softest whisper.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Bert
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 01:41 AM

I do watch Kitchen Nightmares because it's one of the few programs on TV which is educational. I just ignore the swearing.

Hell's Kitchen though is a complete fake. Where does he find those people? He had a group of so called chefs one time and they were horrified when he served them tongue, kidneys and tripe, they had never tasted any of those things. And they were supposed to be chefs!!! Any reasonably good cook should know how to serve those dishes and make them palatable or even delicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 03:09 AM

I think its really positive. Every week he goes out and sorts out someones problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Big Phil
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 06:36 AM

Well done Gordon for trying to to educate the veggies to the delights of meat.

Phil*

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Megan L
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 04:49 AM

Bert it is physically impossible to make tripe palatable never mind delicious :p The war time generation was really the last to eat those things.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 04:58 AM

Rubbish, I adore eating tripe, unfortunately it is very difficult to buy now, due to the health police. Since BSE all offal has been difficult to buy, and it's only seen in butchers' shops, never in supermarkets. Of course it would never have arisen had we not been so greedy as to feed bits of animals to other vegetarian animals!
Tripe and onions in a white parsley sauce, lovely, Tripes a la mode de Caen, delicious.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Stu
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 05:28 AM

They are screening the US version of the show over here (UK) at the moment and there are some fundamental differences in the way the show is presented and edited to the UK version.

To my mind, the US version puts the confrontation between Ramsay and the main protagonist(s) to the fore. Talking heads from the outset set the scene from that episode's subjects point of view, and then Ramsay is sent into the restaurant like some sort of culinary ferret to flush out the terrified staff. Cue shouting/swearing/slamming of doors/tears, and all this is voiced over by some bloke who sounds like he's narrating a trailer for Black Hawk Down rather than a show about food and the business of selling it.

Gone is Ramsay's own narration which provides insight into the reasons he acts like he does towards the staff, how a business needs to be run. Gone is the emphasis on menus, service and the potential of the various underlings in the kitchen. Everything is edited into tiny chucks (presumably for easy digestion) and no shot is longer than 4 seconds. I suppose this is designed to add pace and drama to the programme, but it ends up inducing motion sickness and a sense of frustration as the camera never lingers on a subject long enough to capture the subtly of a situation - there has to be NOISE at all times. To my mind, the edit ends up making some of the scenes look staged.

Try to catch the UK version - it's a lot more considered and whilst the swearing and confrontation is still there the whole show is better edited and offers more insight into the highs and lows of running a successful restaurant.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Tweed
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 09:00 AM

Gordon Ramsay...one Total Badass of a Cook.

Fixed Christmas dinner for the troops? That's very damned cool.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:22 AM

Stig, we actually have both versions where I am (New England) as they play the original on BBC America on my cable provider. American audiences in general like fast moving noise so I would guess that's why the show is edited that way over here.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Stu
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:16 AM

"American audiences in general like fast moving noise . . ."

Shame really, because you miss so much of the detail.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:21 AM

I agree completely. I actually prefer to watch the BBC version of his show.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Ramsay...total prat!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:33 AM

Great Guy + 100 Up