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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Bobert Date: 21 May 05 - 08:26 PM Bull, Dougie... That is nuthin' but Karl Rove propaganda... Karl Rove knows that he has gotten his boy indeep poop and is flailing away at the press at every juncture trying to make his boy's decision's look maoral and the press's immoral... Problem is that it the opposite. His boy has made the bad calls and refuses to own up to them... Okay, lets look at Newsweek. What was it saying in the run-up to the invasion about folks who were credible and had another story to tell? Not adanged thing! And Newsweek's owner, the Washington Post? Not a danged thing. The Post even printed a story last August about how it had failed to do the good journalism during the run-up to the invasion. They said that they had fallen into some "culture"... Hmmmmm, here you has credible sources refuttin' all of the lies that Bush & Co. were using to whip the masses up into a nationalistic lather for war that were being ignored because they were is some kind culture???? Like give me a break... So I wrote the Washington Post and asked them, seein' as the admitted to bein' is some kind of culture in the run-up to war what they had done to change the odss that they might be cuaght up in the next, ahhhhh, culture before the next run-up to war... I've been waitin' since last Augusr for their anawer... Just as the American people have been waitin' over 3 years for Bush's answers... But what in the heck do we get from thre Post, Newsweek and Bush? Well, I'll tell ya what. Zip, nada, nuthin'. That's what we get... And so now Bush snaps at Newsweek??? Like go figure??? Nesweek was one of his lackies in the run-up to war??? Like what's this about??? Well, I'll tell ya.... ....it's about Karl Rove sacrificin' lambs to protect his boy... Nuthin' more 'n nuthin less... Don't like hearin' it than move to Mars 'cause its the truth. You know it, I know it and the world knows it... This is a bogus attack on Newsweek... You wanta attack integrity? Bush and Rove are two big, big, unmissable targets... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff Date: 21 May 05 - 08:07 PM Dear Hubby, There would not be any controversy or blatant misuse of the media and blatant use of the anti-media if George W Bush did not steal two elections and plunder us all into war and depression! Sincerely, Peter |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 May 05 - 08:02 PM Is the suggestion that this kind of incident hasn't happened, or that people in Afghanistan and other countries are only going to believe it happened when there is a story in a reputable American magazine reporting it? Plenty of editions of the Qu'aran which are pocket-size. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: frogprince Date: 21 May 05 - 07:56 PM Earth to Doug: have you ever tried to flush a roll of toilet paper down the toilet, without tearing it into pieces first? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: DougR Date: 21 May 05 - 07:42 PM Anyone here tried flushing the Quoran down a toilet? It's a fair sized book, and most toilet openings are pretty restricted. I think the casualties reported were civilian, not military. At least that is what I have read and heard. I think it likely that the rioting was caused by Taliban supporters who incited the crowds after the Newsweek article appeared in print. Riots likely would have occurred had their been reports of the Quoran being spat upon, or thrown in the dirt. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST Date: 21 May 05 - 03:01 PM Any us'ers planning on travelling outside their country in the near future, could be advised to get a t shirt printed up stating how you voted in your last election. You aren't flavour of the month, and that's a shame for some of you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST Date: 21 May 05 - 02:46 PM Well I seem to remember a media backlash against Sinead O Connor because she tore up a picture of the Pope on TV. I agree with you Dianavan. While the O connor's backlash didn't result in riots or people dying it did offend some People and their Religion. If an Iraq Paper published photographs of American POW's in Prison and told how the Bible was thrown down the Toilet and published Photographs of them being stripped naked ect....you know thrown on top of one another blindfolded and led around on a leash, I won't go on, I am sure we are all aware of the details by now. Bet ya there would be a backlash....some may even take to the Streets but I don't think the baclash would be about the Photographs or the abuse of the POW's, I think the issue that would be taken to the streets would be the Bible being flushed down a Toilet. When People took to the Streets in this Country and around the World demanding Peace before this War even started...they were labeled Traitors or Hippies and stinky Liberal Commies.. and worse! They can attempt to shift the the blame on whoever/whatever they wish. The blame however lies with the Administration that invaded Iraq based on a Lie....they even got rewarded for lying by getting back in for another 4 years to keep the lies going. Yeah Newsweek is to blame...yeah right...if it makes them feel better saying that....fine. Go right ahead. Let them tell themselves that each night. Let them tell themselves that all the People that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan daily wouldn't be if Newsweek had just been a tad more responsible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: dianavan Date: 21 May 05 - 02:01 PM The flushing of the Koran was not the reason for the riots. It may have been the 'straw that broke the camels back' but it didn't cause the riots. Its been building for a long time. At least the people of Iraq have the courage to stand up for what is right. More than I can say for Americans. Wonder what would happen if I flushed a bible down the toilet on American t.v. Probably nothing. I think one of the talk show hosts should try it. Hey, maybe thats a way to get Bush to confess. We could tie him up and tear pages out of the bible one by one and flush them down the toilet. Would the Americans riot? I doubt it. This is a disgusting war. I hope America is proud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: CarolC Date: 21 May 05 - 02:00 PM Maybe this sort of thing is the real reason Afghans are pissed off with the US... Bush hails Afghan ties, but abuse stirs outrage WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush on Saturday emphasized close ties with Afghanistan two days before he was to meet with an angry President Hamid Karzai, who has demanded control of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan after a report of prisoner abuse. Karzai, a staunch U.S. ally who will visit Bush at the White House on Monday, said he was shocked by a U.S. Army report described in The New York Times on Friday. The report detailed abuse in 2002 at the Bagram detention center in Afghanistan, including the deaths of two inmates. It said one prisoner was chained by his wrists to the top of his cell for days and had his legs pummeled by guards before he died. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 21 May 05 - 01:48 PM Wolfgang, You are partly right. But very wrong. If the people in Afghanistan didn't read it in Newsweek then it is their own media that is to blame. They were under no obligation to repeat the allegation. If Newsweek was wrong to run the story based on the word of one informant, how much more wrong were they to take Newsweek's word for it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Ron Davies Date: 21 May 05 - 09:36 AM As usual, Wolfgang is correct. Interesting that both the Left and Right can be myopic, on the same topic, in different ways. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 May 05 - 09:33 AM I'd be inclined to think that if there had been an article in Newswek saying that a US Government internal investigation has determined that this desecration of the Qu'aran did not occur it would have been just as likely to spark off riots. The point is, the allegations had been reported widely, and are probably seen by most people around the world as pretty plausible, in the light of the recent record of the USA when it comes to the way prisoners are treated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,Giok Date: 21 May 05 - 08:26 AM I agree with Joe Offer on this one Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Wolfgang Date: 21 May 05 - 04:54 AM Bobert, you are just not well informed. It has been all over the European press that reports about the content of the newsweek article reaching Afghanistan has spawned deadly riots there. Four dead after anti-American riots erupt in Afghanistan (in a liberal British newspaper) You are about as myopic as Susu's hubby is. He speaks about US soldiers killed due to that article which is wrong and at least over here has never been reprtedand and you rant off about Rove as if you had never read about riots in Afghanistan after that article. And your argument about people in Afghanistan not reading Newsweek is still silly. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Ebbie Date: 20 May 05 - 09:00 PM Thanks for the correction, artbrooks. Don't know what I did wrong. Here is what I meant when I said that they evidently did the correct thing after it was brought to their attention: "Following the ICRC's reports, the Defense Department command in Guantanamo issued almost three pages of detailed, written guidelines for treatment of Korans. Schorno said ICRC representatives did not receive any other complaints or document similar incidents following the issuance of the guidelines on Jan. 19, 2003. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: artbrooks Date: 20 May 05 - 07:31 PM Corrected link. The ICRC investigates complaints, makes a report, more stringent guidance is issued and the complaints stop. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Ebbie Date: 20 May 05 - 06:17 PM Drives me crazy, how administrations and governmental officials can pretend that breaking news is just coming out. I realize they hope something unpleasant will just kind of go away, but in a 'free' society they certainly can't count on it. Why don't they do some damage control by publicising something - and its solution - themselves. That way they would make some points and earn some credibility. According to the article, the Defense Department reacted correctly. The Chicago Tribune Thursday 19 May 2005 " Washington - The International Committee of the Red Cross documented what it called credible information about US personnel disrespecting or mishandling Korans at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and pointed it out to the Pentagon in confidential reports during 2002 and early 2003, an ICRC spokesman said Wednesday. "Representatives of the ICRC, who have played a key role in investigating abuse allegations at the facility in Cuba and other US military prisons, never witnessed such incidents firsthand during on-site visits, said Simon Schorno, an ICRC spokesman in Washington. "But ICRC delegates, who have been granted access to the secretive camp since January 2002, gathered and corroborated enough similar, independent reports from detainees to raise the issue multiple times with Guantanamo commanders and with Pentagon officials, Schorno said in an interview Wednesday. " Following the ICRC's reports, the Defense Department command in Guantanamo issued almost three pages of detailed, written guidelines for treatment of Korans. Schorno said ICRC representatives did not receive any other complaints or document similar incidents following the issuance of the guidelines on Jan. 19, 2003. " They COULD Have Made Points |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Peace Date: 20 May 05 - 12:53 AM I'm stunned, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Ebbie Date: 20 May 05 - 12:13 AM That's not the problem, brucie. We were just stunned by your footwork. :!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: TIA Date: 19 May 05 - 10:15 PM You mean that's NOT Cyrillic? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Peace Date: 19 May 05 - 10:06 PM The Russian line didn't work so well, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Peace Date: 19 May 05 - 10:05 PM (Pravda means Truth. Izvestia means News.) Â "Ïðàâäå" íåò èçâåñòèé, à â "Èçâåñòèÿõ" íåò ïðàâäû. Literally, it means "There's no news in Pravda, and there's no truth in Izvestia" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Bobert Date: 19 May 05 - 09:17 PM Bull, Wolfgang.... Had Karl Rove not focused in on it the Afgan people never would have known about this... Hey, get yer facts right. This was one paragraph well surrounded by lots of other stuff inside one of the somw 3000 magazines printed in the US.... Give us a break... Your arguments are hopelessly weak... I mean, like go to Afganistan and listen to how many folks talk about US magazines??? If it weren't for Karl Rove, this would be a complete non-issue... or less... This creep will desperatly drag up anything he can find to take the heat off his boy.... His philosophy of defense is having a strong offense and he uses it daily... Like I said, give us a danged break.... Like go to Afganistan and come back and tell us just how many folks there are subscribin' 'er payin' any attention to US magazines... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: heric Date: 19 May 05 - 09:17 PM Not to get y'all riled up. Those guys shouldna a done that. But for perspective: Flushing disrespects the Koran. Beheading people desecrates it. I'm more upset about the beheadings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Mr Happy Date: 19 May 05 - 09:00 PM Occupational hazard! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Wolfgang Date: 19 May 05 - 04:52 PM And here's the real joke. Ahhhhh, like how many folks in Afganistan are readin' Newsweek? Like none... (Bobert) Sorry, but that's a stupid argument. They read it in their local newspapers, they hear it in the radio, they see it in TV, they hear it from their mullahs. If an outrageous act happens in say India, I need not have heard the name of the Indian publication before when I read it in my local paper. I think the reaction of some of the commentators here is as far from the target as Susu's hubby's first post and thread title was. When the news came out of that article and that allegation the riots in Afghanistan (of people that have never heard of Newsweeks and probable couldn't read it even if they had it in their hands) have killed close to a dozen Afghani people. But SH is worried not about the already real deaths but about the potential US troops deaths. The danger to US troops is hardly increased by the article above the present level in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is other (lesser? in SH's world?) people who suffer the consequences of the incident and/or the reporting about it. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST Date: 19 May 05 - 10:37 AM Friendly fire? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST Date: 19 May 05 - 10:26 AM Soldiers families? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: heric Date: 19 May 05 - 10:18 AM -The Designer of the Human Race -Charles Darwin -King James, Richard Clyfton, John Robinson, and William Brewster |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,Mr Happy Date: 19 May 05 - 09:44 AM Also: Racism Religious intolerance |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,Mr Happy Date: 19 May 05 - 09:42 AM List of those responsible for getting Soldiers Killed: [no hierarchy of perpetrators] Politicians International Capitalist Businesses The rich & powerful Administration of armed forces National Government Media to name but a few, can we think of others? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: TIA Date: 18 May 05 - 10:40 PM And the latest news - Newsweek's source now says that the incident DID happen, and is reported in some miltary document, just not sure which document, so can't verify. Once again, just like Rathergate, the dittohead robots will remember only that Newsweek "retracted", and not pay a bit of attention when the essential facts are known. (just heard the word on radio, will find link for any doubters). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: dianavan Date: 18 May 05 - 09:52 PM Yeah, blame it on Newsweek. What a joke! There are plenty of real reasons for rioting and one little blurb about the Koran isn't really gonna make it break it. I'm no fan of Newsweek but, heh, Bush and Rove have to have someone to blame, don't they? Like Brucie said, how many in the Middle East, actually read the article? Naw, the Bush admin. saw the Muslim demonstrations in the making and quickly deflected the blame. What amateurs! Blaming it on mainstream media and calling it liberal. What? Anything that isn't right-wing fundamentalist is liberal? Talk about bending the truth... Do you think flushing the Koran is more upsetting than invading Iraq and calling it a crusade? Do you think flushing the Koran is any worse than torturing prisoners? Get a grip! Muslims are not quite as stupid as that. They definitely have reason to riot but that little one liner is not the cause. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Bobert Date: 18 May 05 - 08:07 PM And here's the real joke. Ahhhhh, like how many folks in Afganistan are readin' Newsweek? Like none... Okay. Question 2... How many folks, other than American troops, have ever heard of Newsweek????? None... This isn't real news. This is nuthin' but another Karl Rove dirty trick to keep the realities of his boy's failures off the front page... Ain't workin'... Guess what, hubby and others? You may not be waking up but lots of Americans are and they don't like what Bush and Karl Rove are up to... I'm hearin' it in the streets and I'm hearin' from folks who still have the Bush stickers on the backs of their cars... Yer boy has pushed the envelope and and marginailized the balance of his term unless his gets his head outta Jerry Falwell's posterior... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,wisdom of the ages Date: 18 May 05 - 02:07 PM "Don't blame the mirror if your face is crooked." --Old Russian proverb |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 18 May 05 - 01:04 AM Hubby, what gripes me is the bigotry of the headline. Newsweek may or may not be liberal, but it is not the Liberal Media. You may have heard that our neighboring city, Spokane WA, has been having a bit of embarrassment with its mayor. Still, I don't think it would fair to start a thread titled Republican Male Leaders Proposition High School Boy. What do you think? clint -- and it's not "a" liberal media, either; "media " is plural. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Peace Date: 18 May 05 - 12:23 AM Is Newsweek gonna be invaded? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 18 May 05 - 12:19 AM 4. Severe backlash and anger towards Newsweek. Yeah that's it. They were reeeeaallly pissed at Newsweek. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Peace Date: 17 May 05 - 11:40 PM Wars and the training for wars get soldiers killed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Bobert Date: 17 May 05 - 11:12 PM Chill, Amos... Hubby ain't really worth it since he is on Karl Rove's payroll, or should be... Not one single independent thought in hubby's mind... You should feel sorry for someone so utterly brain washed... Like I said, not *one* indepenent thought... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,AMos Date: 17 May 05 - 11:03 PM Hub-me-boyo, You are talking BS again. All I did was point out that YOUR goddamned assessment in the inflammatory title of this thread, which you started, is not the opinion of the Joint CHiefs of Staff. This was a false picture, which you promulgated and forwarded in order to inflame people by feeding them untruth. The fact according to a brief I have read recently, is that American guards at Guantanomo ARE accused by their prisoners of acts of gross disrespect to the Qu'uran, although these charges are not supported by any verification. But you are msising the whole point. 1. If American guards are in fact blaspheming the Qu'u'ran, they have less brains than their commander-in-chief about how cultural forces work. They deserve, if this is true, to be exposed. Newsweek -- if they reported a reliable story -- should be commended for airing the truth. Or do you think our forces should be free to commit these offenses at will? 2. If the story was NOT correct, in spite of the supplementary testimony, then they did the right thing by withdrawing it. But in neither case did your headline title reflect the truth of the matter. The story by itself did not cause any deaths and the Joint Chiefs, who tend to be far more realistic than their C-in-C, were right about it. In short, the way you named this thread is an intentional distortion. You're just ragging, Hub, and you have no more respect for true causes than the journals you despise. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,brucie Date: 17 May 05 - 10:44 PM Words from one of the most respected news people, ever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 17 May 05 - 10:31 PM TIA of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST Date: 17 May 05 - 10:30 PM So my finely striding human friend - exactly what incident does your initial post refer to? Is it the deadly riots by Muslims purportedly over the Newsweek story? If it is, don't you suppose the rioting Muslims are doing so just a teentsy bit out of resentment at their treatment? And if it is the Newsweek story that caused the riots, and if Newsweek is, as you say "the liberal media" isn't the tie between Muslim resentment and the liberal media (that you thoroughly disavow) completely apparent? Or perhaps you didn't mean to make this tie? Oh, I think I'm comprehending just fine. And trust me, it is NOT what I want to read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST Date: 17 May 05 - 10:27 PM I have never seen Ann Coulter. I am a guy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST,CarolC Date: 17 May 05 - 10:12 PM Ebbie... men have been bestowed with two brains, but only enough blood to operate one of them at a time. I think that, and Ann Coulter's legs, pretty much explains it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: John Hardly Date: 17 May 05 - 09:39 PM Ebbie, I don't know. I don't find many of the "journal-tainment" wags from the right to be very enjoyable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Susu's Hubby Date: 17 May 05 - 09:39 PM "Now you actually believe that Muslim resentment of the USA is the fault of "The Liberal Media"?!?!?!?!?" Tia, Nowhere in the above posts did I ever try to make the tie between the resentment by muslims being caused by the liberal media. Stop reading what you want to hear and actually take a moment and comprehend what you are reading. You would make great strides as a human if you would do so. Amos, I'm a little disappointed in your latest attempt at making sense of the story. So let me get this straight..... 1. You don't believe anything that Bush or his administration does or says. 2. Newsweek posts the article. 3. Violence erupts in Afghanistan. 4. Severe backlash and anger towards Newsweek. 5. Newsweek apologizes and retracts story after any damage that was done is done. 6. Joint Chief makes statement that may further explain some violence in Afghanistan. 7. Now you see it as a way to maybe somewhat exonerate your liberal media so NOW you believe what one of Bush's "cronies" is saying. Right there is another example where you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You might want to stick to posting your definitions and leftward slanted news stories. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: GUEST, Ebbie Date: 17 May 05 - 09:14 PM I don't want to start a thread with Coulter's name in it so I'll post my question here. Why is that SOME people slag Hillary Clinton, for instance, and are able to stomach Ann Coulter? Surely, surely, Coulter comes across as MUCH harder, nastier, more cynical, than Clinton? Ann Coulter was a guest on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno a couple of weeks ago. She was wearing a skimpy - and I mean skimpy - black mini-dress that was sending some kind of message- I just don't know what the message was. I cannot imagine a guy finding it sexy; the material appeared serge-like and harsh. She wasn't nasty on the show- she made disparaging remarks about "Liberals" but they were meant to be funny. Maybe she knew that the audience would not be receptive. There was one funny bit: a video that showed her making a speech (wearing a normal outfit) when two men wielding cream pies coming on stage sprang into action. They didn't hit her- her speed in leaping away from the lectern was impressive and kind of cute. She seemed quite proud of that. My point is: Why do SOME people prefer Coulter to Clinton? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Media getting Soldiers Killed... From: Bobert Date: 17 May 05 - 09:06 PM Bottom line: Another Karl Rove dirty trick to try to silence anyone who might speak out against his boy... Frankly, I'm gettin' a little tired of Karl Rove's juvilineistic dirty tricks but worse than them... ... I'm equally tired of hearing and seeing just how many mindless Americans fall for them... Hub included. Bobert |
