BS: Geldolf on another ego trip

Subject: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Taxpayer
Date: 31 May 05 - 03:59 PM

I see Geldolf with his foul mouth back on an ego trip calling for everyone to block the roads in Scotland to tell the G8 leaders to wipe out world debt in third world countries. Not bloody likely I hope. They were quick enough to put their hand out for the loan so they can pay it back and it doesn't matter how long it takes. Try and badger your bank manager into calling a day on your loan. Have you ever noticed that these countries that cry out for our tax handouts have the latest four wheel drives to hold their heavy weapons ! I hope the leaders realise that it's us the taxpayer that would carry the debt if they wrote it off. I am sick of that foul mouthed creep who can't accept he's yesterdays news and calling brain deads onto the streets is about the measure of the man. Tough shit to those that owe the money it must be paid back.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 05 - 04:05 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: gnu
Date: 31 May 05 - 04:20 PM

Ya know, this might be way off, but I often think about the great big bridge between Halifax and Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada. It was paid for years and years ago, but the financing deal with the German company that put up the big bucks means we are still sending them money because of the contracted interest rate.

I figure that the next cheque should include a letter that says, "'Ow's she goin' anyway? Just thought we'd drop you a note to say that we think you've 'ad enough of our money. If you want a cheque next month, come over 'ere an' get it."

Way outta line er wha'?

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:06 PM

Most of the debt is crap anyway. Every country in the world is in debt. So let me ask this: Who the hell are they in debt TO? Sounds like a giant SCAM to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:08 PM

I'm with "GUEST 04:05 PM"

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: John O'L
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:21 PM

Are you sleeping together?

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:21 PM

It IS a giant scam. The loans are made precisely so that huge international banks can get richer at the expence of desperate people.

The poverty is real, however. And the tragedy is that people are dying for the sake of money. Money rules this system.

Taxpayer is venting his anger on the wrong people, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 May 05 - 07:18 PM

Bob Geldof is at least sinceere in his views !!

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 05 - 07:26 PM

I wish he was my MP. And yes, I know he can't be.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 05 - 07:54 PM

Why is it that people who have this type of view are too ashamed of it to sign their name?

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:02 PM

Unamed guest, I think you might be missing something. Yes many of these countries politicians/dictators do have the best 4 wheel drives and the nicest selection of matching guns provided by loans from other governments/banks.

The trouble is that is where the money is being spent and not on the people who are suffering (i.e Darfur).

Because of lttle action by the UN or other more responsible governments it falls to people like Bob Geldorf to stir things up and make people aware and give money that will reach those people directly and not via some greedy outthrust paw of a government minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 05 - 09:01 PM

I think that question kind of answers itself, eh, Bruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Taxpayer
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 07:00 AM

I see the points you make, but is it not irresponsable of Geldolf to call everyone to Scotland to badger the G8? If anyone else called for such a mass rally I think the law would have something to say. There are enough people living of our backs in this country. All we hear is there is no more funding for health and education in britain, any wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:19 AM

If anyone else called for such a mass rally I think the law would have something to say

Can you elaborate on that? There are often cries for mass rallies (think the anti-war protests and the Countryside Alliance, for example) and 'the law' does not interfere much beyond policing issues. So why do you feel Bob is getting special treatment?

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:18 PM

For all I care - Bob's ego can get as big as the Third World Debt - as long as some good comes out of the event. I hope and feel that a great deal of good will be the result of the labours of a good many people......

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 03:26 PM

No one else ever managed to put so much money where it was really needed, and it was precisely his blunt steamroller approach that made it work.

I've been paying taxes too, for 45 years, but I am still aware that much of my prosperity, such as it is, comes from the former exploitation of these people by the western world.

I thank God that my children have never had to sift through garbage tips, to feed themselves. We're all riding this ballo of rock through space together, and it's time to share some of its bounty with those less fortunate.

Time, I think, to say to their leaders "We will write off the debts, and if you don't use the money to improve the lot of your people, we will sanction you to death".

Go for it, Bob.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 03:39 PM

GUEST, Taxpayer,

I think your enemy in this case is the World Bank--and affiliate banks all over the planet, not Bob G. I certainly hear you with regard to taxes. And expression in this country is as follows: Thank God we don't get all the government we pay for. However, when I think about Canada, I figure that regardless of the taxes I have to pay, it's cheap rent to live in a country like this.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 03:58 PM

Ditto Don(W)T and brucie.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 07:30 PM

There is an advert on Brit tv at the moment with some of the richest people in the world flicking their finger and saying every few seconds we click our fingers and a child dies from poverty.

lets face it we haven't got the world orgainised right when kids are dying of poverty.. but it amazes me that none of these people see any connection betweeen their own enormous wealth and the poverty in the world.

you would be crazy if you weren't jealous of what Geldof has achieved as a musician and a human being - I hold no rancour for the man. But if he can't see that when half the country is in hock up to its eyebrows in credit card debt, millionaires lecturing us about debt sounds a bit of a false note, - then he has been missing the company of ordinary people too long.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:04 PM

Yes but as well known public figures they automatically are assured of an audience. That is what is needed for the message to reach the most people? We don't know how they help in their private life, but I wouldn't assume they donate nothing.

Bono's giving is legendary and Kate Moss and Kylie both are helping raise huge sums with their breast cancer awareness work. They all feature in the ad you speak of,it isn't their fault they are well known people, at least they all offered to be in the advert and get it plenty of air time in the process.

We can have faceless doctors lecturing us every night on the news, telling us what the problems these people are facing through poverty, but it doesn't get the media attention needed to make the difference unfortunately.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:24 PM

Heard an African speak on BBC Radio a few weeks ago.

He said all this charity is demeaning to the Africans. He said they dont need more money , they have already had many billions

What they do need is the means to provide for themselves.... to become a competetive economy I suppose.

Bob Geldorf, as an environmentalist appears to be against this option and seems to feel that the more affluent areas of the world should help the poorer areas.

I like Geldorf who seems sincere in his beliefs if a bit simplistic.
I dont hear him beating the anti- capitalist drum, and without that his schemes dont stand much chance of long term success.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:29 PM

Perhaps their recent elections will see a Govt that can channel the millions into rebuilding the infrastructure. But I wouldn't knock the guy getting them the millions.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 03:52 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4599879.stm

The following from the above site.

Sir Bob Geldof and others behind Live 8 say that is precisely why the objective this time is not fund-raising but awareness-raising.
They want the concerts to be seen as part of a movement, with the immediate aim of influencing the G8 summit.
Debt relief
Their goals largely square with the proposals of the Commission for Africa, of which Bob Geldof was a member.
They argue that what Africa needs is much increased, higher quality and more carefully targeted aid, cancellation of the debts of the poorest countries and the removal of trade barriers that act against the interests of Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Taxpayer
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 05:09 AM

The debt must stand. We have built our country to what it is today and with a good standard of living. Why should we have to carry the debt of those that don't appear to want to make a go of it.I hope the government are a bit more selective in who they lend money to in the future. The debt must stand.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 05:14 AM

Shambles....There is the contradiction.

Given the widespread damage to the global environment expected from the rise of China and India, the prospect of Africa becoming industrialised would not sit well with Bob Geldorfs' environmental leanings.

It is clear to me that we live a more and more "unnatural" and unsustainable lifestyle and the more simplistic, or easily manipulated among us expect to see that lifestyle replicated all over the planet.

The key to all this is long term, and involves care for the natural systems which support us, and not providing the means to attack these systems ......Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 05:59 AM

Perhaps folk can decide for themselves. This is the official website.

http://www.live8live.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:47 AM

Thanks for the link Shambles.

It all seems a bit "wooly" and needs more of a hard edge.

Think I'll stick with the Wombles....

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 07:40 AM

I suppose its all about getting old and cynical when you get down to it, or old and something.

When I was a kid, the tories had been in charge right throughout the 1950's. I think everybody looked forward to the 1964 labour government with something approaching idealism. '13 years of tory misrule' was the catchphrase of the time.

Round about that time a book came out by Humphrey House about Charles Dickens and his views on society. the book explained that Dickens profoundly hated politicians and said all the world's problems could be solved if we just acted a little more decently towards each other.

in the political climate of 1961, it seemed hopelessly naive - we were all looking to the Labour party to start a new age when things would get better - a bright new dawn.

Nearly 50 years on, I think Dickens had it about right. All that needs to happen is that we start behaving ourselves. A sea change from within.

best of luck to the next generation, we didn't sort it all out.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:01 AM

"This time not for charity, but for political justice" - he probably has helped more people's lives than any of us here - i admire him for trying, and for caring.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:26 AM

WLD...Dont give up the ghost just yet!!

If you keep thinking in the terms of your second last sentence, you an I could end up seeing "eye to eye"....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Ex-fan
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 10:32 AM

A million or so might be manageable in D.C. but in no way can they fit into Edinburgh, without widespread damage.

For someone so intelligent, Geldof is so fucking stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 11:27 AM

A million or so attend edinburgh every year for the festival.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:21 PM

How anyone can knock Saint Bob is beyond me. A truly altruistic individual who stands up for the oppressed and downtrodden and raises millions of pounds in aid of a dying Continent. Also, he makes couch potatoes all over the world look up from their TV Dinners and confront the harsh realities of our modern existence and feel very real emotions beyond the realms of their daily routine.If you have to knock anyone I would profer the following;

1) -Politicians who throw money at these Third World Countries in the hope of controlling any future trade or political advantage in the full knowledge that they can bleed the country dry for decades.

2)- Hasbeen Rockstars who get involved in the "opening of a fridge door" merely as a way of increasing their waining profile and milking publicity and after event music/dvd/future activities sales.Now there is "morally reprehensible" for you.

3)- Multimillionaire Promoters/Executives etc. who ask hard working decent people to dig out the change from their sofas and go without staples for a week and send the money in to help the less fortunate. When those bas***ds drive around in £100,000 cars and use £500 aftershave and eat in the best restaurants and spend more on grooming themselves a week than their victims spend on surviving for a year.

I find it very difficult to get excited about the Spice Girls reuniting to save the 3rd World and then being offered zillions to go on world tours and taking on the mantle of Mother Teresa in Fellinis' "Satyricon" i.e. the perception of love and virtue married with the debauched and self serving nihilistic paradigm. However, as always, it falls to the masses to decide whether, or not, to march on the corridors of power or merely wait to buy the Deluxe DVD Edition with added Virtual Extras.

Regards.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:45 PM

another view of islam

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:47 PM

the above is in the wrong thread... sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 01:28 PM

Good for you Sidewinder.

I feel good after reading that ....Cheers...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM

I think the point you made is a good one Ake. They don't need money so much as the chance to build a stable economy for themselves.

What better way to give them that chance, than to cancel the debts, the interest on which is keeping them too poor to do that.

IMHO that is Bob Geldof's point, and I hope he will find some at G8 prepared to consider it.

Remember that those loans were not altruistic charitable donations, but were made with an eye to the main chance, and that is also the reason for the credit card debt in Britain. They expect to gain, Bigtime, from throwing moiney at people who can't really afford it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 02:20 PM

I dont know if turning Africa into another capitalist sweatshop is a good idea Don.

It's certainly a more complex problem than many here seem to believe,
and throwing money wont solve it.

Africas' problems will not be solved till the rest of us solve our own.

Lifestyle, economic system, work ethic, unsustainable standard of living, environmental pollution, the whole mad rush to disaster must be addressed soon .
If it isn't addressed there will be no future for any of us..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:10 PM

First he said everyone should march out of school: well Scottish schools are already on their summer hols by then!
There are only 5 million people in the whole of Scotland and there are more in Glasgow than in Edinburgh altho' the latter is considered (by non-Glaswegians to be the capital), so why didn't he target Glasgow? The G8 summit is in Gleneagles, not Edinburgh, but most people south of the Border don't know the difference.
The law ARE seriously worried: the Police in Edinburgh have already said so, and the Health boards are too.
The predicted shortage of portable toilets can only be due to one thing - they're all hired out to T-in the Park, the HUGE Scottish pop festival which happens to be uncannily close in time to the G8 summit and not a million miles away from it. Why doesn't Sir Bob take all his ranting to this captive audience who would no doubt love another great concert from him and his Live-Aid band?? In the meantime, serious T-in the Park ticket-holders are worried that they will not be able to get there because all public transport will be occupied by would-be marchers on Edinburgh.
Although I live in Edinburgh, I shall thankfully be 12000 miles away at the time: burglars please note that our house will NOT be unoccupied however!
TB

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,dont like mondays,but the rest of the week i
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 09:55 PM

look you know aswell as i know, bob is a born bollocks. He just made that way, why i dont know, Maybe hes only a Bollocks on mondays, and the rest of the week pretty ok with people, but maybe not so much on a sunday night, as he knows monday is approaching him soon.and he beguins his bollocks transformation all over again. Live aid no, Lemon aid yes. go for it you sour faced left handed banjo player, bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,bob, ex member of the breakfast club
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 10:05 PM

banana geldof has done it again, after eating 2,560 packs of cornflakes since 1984, up till now, hes going ahead with another live aid concert. so i wonder was there any trees hurt in the production of the cardboard that held these innocent cornflakes, Id fear yes. bob how do you sleep a night! you hippocret dublin mick. PS. you ve lifted your last spoon. Were on to you, signed, the breakfast club.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 01:22 AM

It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 08:25 AM

Glad you enjoyed the outpouring Ake. I was thinking the other day ( I do have my moments ) about back in the day when Lennon asked us to "stay in bed and grow our hair for peace". This was an interesting point of view and didn't require any financial outlay or any physical effort. Albeit, costing several people their jobs and causing them to be social outcasts because of their untidy appearances. Three decades on and Sir Bob wants these same people to abandon everything and fork out for a daytrip to London to stand in a park being knocked from pillar to post and charged extortionate rates for beverages and dodgy foodstuffs. Whilst having to endure the latest Pop Idol diatribe as strangers relieve themselves into other peoples rucksacs all around. Then after 10 hours of hell having to trek to Edinburgh to be greeted by riot police and the same deadbeat transcients who pissed in your rucksac in London. I think I preferred Lennons political machinations myself so I probably will grow my hair in bed for the day and hope it makes a difference.Besides, I don't think my rucsack can take the strain.

Regards.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:02 PM

I'm certainly not suggesting throwing money at them, Ake, and I can't quite figure out what part of my posts gave you the impression that I was.

I guess what I am trying to express is my distaste for the idea of loaning money to people who cannot afford to pay the interest, let alone the capital, and then sitting back smugly and raking in the profits from what they do manage to pay, knowing all the while that this is a never ending drain on their lives.

Africa is largely an agrarian part of the world, and could probably feed itself with the right kind of practical help from the West. This is not likely to turn it to sweat shop capitalism.

In view of the fact that the industrial resources of that continent (gold, diamonds etc.) are owned and exploited by outsiders from the capitalist West, would you not say that we owe them something in return? Something better than watching them starve while we profit from what, morally, belongs to them?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:07 PM

I digress from the thread and apologise for the interruption but;
Akenaton was the Heretic King husband of Nefertiti and father of King Tut if I'm not mistaken.Is there any significance in your nome de plume? I visited Egypt a few years ago and went to the Cairo Museum a truly astounding experience -especially the mask which is by far the most beautiful human creation I have ever seen.The pyramids at Giza and the Sphinx were a sight to behold and I could go on and on ...but times winged chariot and all that.

Best Wishes.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM

Don ...Sorry if i gave the impression of shortness in replying to your post,I always read your posts with respect although you play on the opposite side of the field from me.

I do however get frustrated by the idea that our social and economic model can cure all the worlds ills.
I wont go into my reasons again, as folks must be getting sick of reading them. Suffice to say that Africa is still largely agrarian due to the fact that although the imperialists exploited its natural resources, they have not yet got round to performing the same service for its people.

Sidewinger.. Glad you've discovered Egypt.

Akhenaton is my historical hero and the first free-thinker...just before Little Hawk.
There are some of his writings on the internet, full of praise for the wonder of nature. I believe Akhenatons philosophy, if put into practice could really solve the worlds ills, but thats another story.

Hope you journey further into Egypian history, as the further back you look, the further forward you can see.

If you're interested, try to get Arthur Weigalls'"The treasury of ancient Egypt"....I have a first edition..it contains transcriptions of Akhenatons'beautiful hymns to the Sun God Aton, and after 1500yrs still as relevant today....Best wishes my friend...Ake

Cheers ...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 03:59 PM

Sorry....too manys Akes and pains.....

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,should be on big brother sidewinder,twat.
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 07:34 PM

Mr, side winder, is there a posibility you could get away from your computer, and voice your opinions on living folk. you seem to have an answer for everything. Well answer me this bright spark, nerd, whos the new mananger of Celtic. ? a yes your right, twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 01:48 AM

Answer:Gordon Strachan -happy to answer question number 1 in your local pub quiz guest - feel free to ask for help on question 2.As for Big Brother -TV for people who don't,or can't read books isn't it?.

Regards.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: BS: Geldolf on another ego trip
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 02:02 AM

Just to clarify that I knew the answer to the current affairs question raised and did not have to look it up or web search it. GS managed Southampton and Coventry before taking on Celtic and played for Manchester United and Leeds United.Knowledge is the key to everything and my thirst for it is never quenched. I bet you wouldn't call me a twat or a nerd to my face -bearing in mind I am a 5th Degree Black Belt in Karate and 6'' 6'' tall and over 200 pounds of rippling muscle.

Thought Not!

Sidewinder.