BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:39 PM

Update regarding Maher Arar

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:34 PM

SURELY that isn't the best you can come up with...!!!!
Comparing Bush denying the information in AI's report to Clinton denying having a Blowjob.
Then again maybe it is if your record is anything to go by.
What between the two remarks would disturb me most.
1. I did have sex with that Woman
2. We do have prisoners who are tortured and kept without trial in a Gulag. Some Prisoners are even outsourced by us for Torture.
Now let me see...tough one.

#1 is my choice.

Forgive me if I do not even attempt to compile a list of Liars from the Right but one thing Ill agree with you on is that this Country under this administration does indeed strive to be number 1. In most of the World's opinion however we rank about 230 down that perfection list at the moment. You should travel more.
So I fear in starting a list of, let's not hurt anyone's feelings and call it 'names of right Truth benders' most People trying to get to the end of the 'names of right Truth benders' list would still be reading this post at midnight tonight.

As usual a rather pathetic argument comes from a Bush goon.

Off topic again and back to Food,

Now Ice Cream to go with all these Pies that have been mentioned previously.
That opens up a whole new discussion.
Do you make Ice cream Bev and Jerry? I personally do not like Ben and Jerry's Ice cream flavors. So if you do that would be an interesting Company name twist to market your Product. I would be willing to try 'Bev and Jerry's Ice Cream" if it was for sale.
I think Guest has something there.

Larry, sadly has not and never does but I am sure he will keep trying to make it right for the right.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:30 PM

Larry K, perhaps Bush might like a bit of the pain envisited upon Canadian, Maher Arar.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:17 PM

Excellent post, Larry K.

Obviously you are not Larry King on CNN. Heckofalot smarter.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:13 PM

There is no perfect nation on earth.

When persons representing the United States do wrong, Americans who love their homeland should strive to correct those wrongs.

Not only should we admit we have done wrong, but we should stop doing that wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 11:59 AM

96

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 11:57 AM

Yeah, but you gotta admit, they make really good ice cream.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 09:50 AM

My first reaction to reading this thread was to ignore it. Bev and Jerry are a bunch of brain dead lemmings.   They probably mean well, but have never had an original thought and have admitted in a thread they are too steeped in ideology to have any objectiving thinking.

The whopper that Bush told is that he discredited the AI report. WOW!   Incredible.   What a lie.   Lets put AI right up there with all the other liberal bastions of truth- Bill Clinton, Michael Moore, Dan Rather, Jesse Jackson, Ted Turner, Yasser Arafat, Howard Dean, Hulk Hogan, and Badgad Bob.   

Perhaps AI could have looked over the fence into Cuba.   How about an interview with Castro dissidents.   Might be hard to find them as they are all dead or imprisoned.   

If this is the best Gulag we could run, I would be very embarrassed.   When compared with Cuba, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Cambodia, and many other countries too numerous to mention we should be embarrassed.   We are not even in the same class as the gulags for these other countries.   In the USA we strive to be number one in everything. I would venture to say we may not even be in the top 100 gulags in the world.   

The only reason AI can call us out, is because we are the only country that wouldn't have them executed for doing so.

For Bev and Jerry- Maybe next time we could have Bush bite his lip, get a little teary in his eye, wag his finger at the american people in a press conference and say "I never had torture with that insurgent, I feel their pain"

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 01:33 AM

My daughter had a Vietnamese pot belly pig given to her. His name was Hamlet. He lived with us for about a year in a city townhouse! He was very, very clean. He would never think of soiling the house. He would stay home all day alone and wait until we got home so that he could go to his box on the patio.

He was so clean, I was amazed! He ate a 1/2 cup of special food and that was it. He was so affectionate that he would get up on the couch and lay his head in your lap if you let him. He was also very sensitive. If you spoke harshly to him, he would sadly walk away and hide.

Needless to say, the neighbors were horrified. I could live with that but it was my son that couldn't deal with it. He found the whole situation disgusting, especially when the pig oinked and squealed.   Eventually, Hamlet went to a farm where I hope he lived happily ever after.

Hamlet changed my perception of pigs forevermore. I have had dogs and cats, chickens, goats, sheep and cows. Of all the pets, the pig was the cleanest and most intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:56 AM

I wnt to a New Year's Eve celebration some years ago, in a home with a resident pig. She drank a glass of beer, then ran around grunting because there wasn't any more. I hadn't realized, until then, how very human pigs are.
So I will never call George W. a pig. He doesn't have enough class to be a pig.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:51 AM

It's true, Azizi- given a chance, pigs are as clean as elephants. They have to protect their skins the same way. Sloppier eaters, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:47 AM

Dianavan,

Pigs clean???!!

I'm a city girl but what I read about pigs doesn't sound clean to me.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Let's add that topic as a side issue to the more serious discussions that will occur at Bev and Jerry's gathering.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:43 AM

Whoops!

That was an unintented typo. At least I think it was.

I meant to say "Whoppers".

For the record, I meant NO coded meaning for the word "pig" as in the phrase "off the..."

I was talking about the oink oink filthy dirty animals. And
I acknowledge that those little piggies who go to market have their redeeming factors [not the least of which is the information about insulin that I just learned from Frogprince].

And Tia, I'm sure you probably know that there was a R&B dance called "The jerk" . There was also a dance called the "Chicken" and the "Funky chicken". There was also a dance called "The Monkey" and "The Slop".

Enough said.

Peace,

Azizi

PS:
Ebbie, back at ya!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:35 AM

This prejudice against pigs has got to stop! They are intelligent animals and are very clean.

Taboos are culturally imposed. I know a man who is not Muslim or Jewish but because he grew up in the Middle East, he will not eat pork because it is so deeply imbedded that it is unclean.

Perhaps when it became taboo, they didn't know that undercooking was the cause of medical problems. Who knows? I've always wondered about this particular taboo.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:20 AM

When I first read the thread title I though he was going to say he'd found some WMDs in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:14 AM

I love the WHOOPERS, Azizi. :)

(I did get your subtle play on SH's words. Good on you.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 11:38 PM

If Jerk Chicken comin' to the picnic, you gonna have to feed the Secret Service escort too.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 11:08 PM

Tom Paxton sings :

"Try try some peanut butter pie
If you don't think it's wonderful I want to know why,
It'll stick to your mouth till you can't say "Hi"
Try, try some peanut butter pie"

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: frogprince
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 09:08 PM

But, Azizzi: (warning, more thread drift...) For decades all the insulin used for diabetics came from pigs. A whole lotta people,
including one I'm addicted to cuddlin' up to, wouldn't be alive if
it weren't for those dirty little oink oinkers. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:58 PM

It just occurred to me-if Bev and Jerry hadn't used a word that reminds some people of FOOD {e.g. WHOPPER}, then maybe we'd have stuck to the real issue of this thread.

But let the record show that it was Susu's Hubby's post of 01 Jun 05 - 04:09 PM that started this thread drift to food when he said:

"Here's what we can do....

Turn 'em all loose and have them build houses in Bev and Jerry's neighborhood. Maybe they can invite Bobert,heric, Alba, Donuel, Amos, kendall, Giok, dianavan, Pauline L and brucie over on friday nights for tea and lessons on how to kill the American swine."

-snip-

Notice that Susu's Hubby wants people to gather together to learn the best methods of killing American PIGS.

I guess since his Susu ran over that cow, SH wants to make sure people are more careful about the destruction of animals.

American pork lovers, sausage & hot dog makers, and the fast food industry will appreciate Susu Hubby's concern for how their WHOOPERS ended their lifes.

Even though I haven't eaten pork in 40 years or more, I applaud you, Susu's Hubby, for caring so much about the lowly American swine, those filthy, dirty oink oink beasts.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: jaze
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:12 PM

Azizi, you would LOVE Key Lime Pie. It's the best--cool.light and tropical. Now save me a piece of the Peaut Butter Pie, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:32 PM

But SH, even YOU gotta admit that Bush can't talk the language.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:31 PM

Marinate in garlic, onion, soya sauce and red wine--no more than a 4 in sweetness. Marinate for 12 hours. Dry thoroughly. Barbeque.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST,Susu's Hubby
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:17 PM

While keeping with the food theme and speaking of WHOPPER'S,
has anybody seen that now you can buy, in a bottle, the same flavoring that Burger King uses to give your burgers the same open flame taste?

With Susu killing the cow, afterall, I'm thinking up new ways of cooking all this beef I now have.

Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: frogprince
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 02:47 PM

If I had to choose between a piece of sweet potato pie and a piece
of strawberry-rheubarb pie....
I wouldn't;
I'd manage to eat a piece of each one.
          Dean

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 11:37 AM

Thanks Robomatic!

I thought it might be more appropriate to post a recipe for sweet potato pie HERE on the current thread on "Hominy Grits and Greens."

Enjoy!


Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 09:21 AM

On the food thread. I took no offense to Azizi's reluctance to try pie with rhubarb, and mentioning that the very sound of the word had influence. I thought that was very honest and perceptive.

Notwithstanding Shakesepeare's observation in Romeo and Juliet that: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"* we are very motivated by impressions created by sounds. I think that is half the success of French cooking. Would you rather have cooking or cuisine? Would you rather have chicken in wine sauce or coq au vin?

As for rhubarb, I came late to that party. I was a reluctant eater when young, only ate white bread, broiled chicken, and meat had to be done to the level of bricquette (I can't get away from the French in this post!). A visit to the Soviet Union and I came back willing to pretty much eat anything. My Mom was ready to write a thank you letter to Brezhnev!

An attractive lady of Anglo pursuasion got me to eat rhubarb. "The secret," she said as she batted her eyes, "is sugar."

Lots of sugar. Diabetic coma inducing heaps of sweet sweet sugar.

But rhubarb is a big friendly Northern plant. I've seen Tryffid sized examples in New Hampshire. In Alaska there is a wild variant that grows herb-sized on the tundra. Or at least that's what I was told I was eating on the trail. Mixed with strawberries and thickened with a little corn starch to adjust viscosity, it makes the grandest pie in the world, MORE American than apple pie.

and at one time I made really really great pies.

Anyhow, Azizi, no need to 'pologize. But if you're in humble pie mode (!) I'd sure like to have your recipe for sweet potato pie including explaining to me the difference between sweet potatos and yams <= I sense an entire thread could be devoted to that little matter.





*I modestly claim to have improved on Shakespeare by my own couplet: 'A rose by any other name would stink the same' Mine rhymes!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 09:05 AM

I don't believe that our digression to topics of food was meant to minimize the importance of the real topic of this thread.

It's just [with me anyway], that these topics are so heavy duty that sometimes I feel the need to take a brief break from the heaviness and so that I can return to it again dedicated and recharged.

Peace,

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:25 AM

While a Siberian prison labor camp differs vastly from a Carribean torture/interrogation facility, if we can have a Drug Czar we can certainly have an American Gulag.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:01 AM

Wow, one minute we're talkin' about "The Lies of Bush" and the next plannin' fir a picnic... Well, personally, I like the idea of a picnic a whole lot more than either listenin' to Bush lie or talkin' about it...

...so first of all, grandma's potato salad goes with pulled chicken jus' fine... Got big chucnks of taters an' ain't all runny like them store-boughten's.... Yummy....

Now still bein' the resident hillbilly you can count on me fir the my usual "Bobert's Possum Stew" which has won many an award in it's day... BTW, it's all in the freshness of the possum... I just leave some cat food on the back deck and the little buggers come right up to the kitchen door...Pratically climb into the pot.. Now that is fresh... No road kill fir me... No sir.... 'er mam either... Yummmmmeeeeee......

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 07:47 AM

Alba, in the interest of sharing, I have an Aquarius moon and a Virgo rising. I also have Neptune in Libra and a Scorpio South node etc etc etc.


And I believe in reincarnation!!!

If we ever met [in this life], we'd probably have much to talk about.

:>]


Peace,

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Alba
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 07:22 AM

As a fellow Sagittarius Azizi I can understand the "foot in mouth" thingy that accompanies our Sun sign:>)

My moon in Libra makes me try to avoid it !!! but then my Scorpio rising doesn't assist in doing so ***bg***

I've decided I would bring a Chocolate Praline Pie that I make.
Ill try just about anything in the pie area. Strawberry/Rhubarb, Key Lime and Peanut butter yum!

The Sweet Potato pie sounds delish...I love Sweet Potato
So it would seem this gathering would not only be of Mind and Music but also a gathering of a few inches on the waistline...oh well you only live once (maybe)

Brightest Blessings to ALL
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 07:04 AM

Oooh! I just realized that "be all you can be" is a slogan for the USA Marines or Army....

I wasn't trying to be snide by using that remark. I meant it to be taken in its larger spirtual sense.

Sorry again,

Azizi {who means well but sometimes exhibits the characteristic
       Sagittarius foot-in mouth; act before you think it through
       trait} *


* I'm sure you caught that this is an astrology reference. I'm very interested in astrology; and I don't mean those sun sign newspaper column versions.

At the gathering we're planning {imaginary or real}, after we've figured out what we individually and/or collectively can do to save & improve the world, could we have side discussions about lighter discussion such as astrology?

Azizi

PS- disregard that 'that' in the 5th paragraph of my last post.
It's not suppossed to be there.

Thanks.

:O)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:49 AM

Off-topic.

I woke up to the thought that I may have inadvertently offended Robomatic and Sleepless Dad earlier in this thread.

Robomatic and Sleepless Dad, I want to publicly offer my sincerest apologies to you for downputting the dishes that you would be bringing to that [imaginary] Mudcat gathering.

I'm truly sorry. I meant no disrespect. I know that I have to learn to be open to new ideas and new experiences, including food and deserts that I've never tasted before.

So if that I was priviledged to attend a covered dish gathering that Bev and Jerry or any others hosted to talk about serious subjects,
I would bring my sweet potato pies. But instead of settling for that dessert which is already known to me, I would have a slice of strawberry rhubard pie and a slice of peanut butter pie, and a slice of Key lime pie.

And I'd probably love them! Of course, I'd have to triple my exercise the next day, but oh well!!

Peace,

from Azizi, who is trying to 'be all that she can be'.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Alba
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 04:53 AM

***bg*** Open Mike
Sometimes situations may seem to require 'desperate remedies' but I find a spell 'under the greenwood tree' helps to get me 'far from from the madding crowd':>)
Blessings
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: open mike
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 03:19 AM

it was just a play on the title of this book:
Jude the Obscure by Thomas Hardy.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 01:30 AM

What salad goes best with jerked chicken? Potato salad, macaroni salad or a fresh, organic green salad? I'll bring all three if you will be bring all of the pies mentioned above. Sweet potato is my favorite! Rhubarb pie is yummy but crumble is better. Yes, peanut butter pie is delicious but I should mention that what I have eaten is a peanut butter cheesecake. Unbelievably good, especially with a drizzle of chocolate! Lets party! Go ahead and invite Martin if you want but please tell him to leave the whoopie cushion at home.

heric, you are too funny! A Methodist dance? Reminds me of a whistling penguin or maybe they just march around in a circle doing the goose step. It really hard to imagine and I know Methodists! No way! I'm not sure they are even allowed to hand jive.

...but back to the thread. It just goes to show you how the term 'gulag' or any other term can be distorted, taken out of context and twisted to serve a specific purpose.

I have found that Amnesty International is a very reputable organization and actually has some credibility. I hope they continue to do the good work that they do.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:39 AM

Thank you, Bev and Jerry, for your usual insightful commentary.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:09 AM

I like the transition from talking about food to "how ever ya slice it" and SPOONerism"

Nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:04 AM

However, it don't matter how ya slice it, George W Bush can't speak English. The man is a walkin', talkin' Spoonerism.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:32 PM

Okay-thanks for the recipe for Key Lime pie.

But is there really peanut butter pie?

Hmm- I may have to pass on that one.

And to tell you the truth, I'm really not too keen on trying the strawb'ry rhubarb pie.

It's that word 'rhubarb'. That word is messing with my mental image of what a that kind of pie would taste like. "Rhubard" sounds too much to me like rubbish'. And for a picky eater like me, that's all I need to say "no thanks".

I'm the least adventurous eater I know.

But I will defend anyone's right to eat peanut butter pie, and strawb'ry rhubard pie and even [ugh!]liver and onions, and
[double ugh!] chittlins- as long as you don't expect me to eat them too.

After all, it's still a free country, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:09 PM

Recipe for Key Lime Pie

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 10:41 PM

I must have lived a deprived life 'cause I never had peanut butter pie {are you making this up?} or key lime pie.

So am I'm missing something???

And why is it that everytime I read this thread title I think of McDonald's Whoppers??? [or whatever franchise it is that makes those large hamburgers].

I guess the mass media successfully connected the word "Whopper" and the image of a large hamburger in my brain. But they didn't make a sale, since I don't eat beef.

But getting back to the thread topic, IMO, Bush told another whopper, and mispronounced another word while doing so.

Unfortunately, this subject is far from being a laughing matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 10:27 PM

Can we have a peanut butter pie too ? Or maybe Key Lime ? Mmmmmm....

The world would at least LOOK better after some Key Lime pie.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

Bev and Jerry, I'm in!!

And I'd have fun learning some of the rhymes you two share!

Robomatic, you've never had sweet potato pie?! Well, I've never had strawb'ry rhubarb pie.

Sweet potato pie taste like candied yams with a bottom pie crust. It's almost like pumpkin pie, but I think sweet potato pie taste better.

Of course, while we'd have all this food and fun, the real reason for us coming together would be to discuss what we can do to help make the world a better place.

We'd be about serious business.

[And wouldn't it be great to meet all of you!]

Thanks, Susu's Hubby for the idea!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 06:37 PM

Sure you can come, Azizi. You can even bring your children's rhymes.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 06:31 PM

azizi Ihave never had a sweet potato pie. I'll trade you a strawb'ry rhubarb pie for't!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 06:15 PM

Bev and Jerry, may I come to the party too?

I can bring some sweet potato pies and join in the discussion about how to make the world a better place for all our children and our children's children.


Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 06:08 PM

I would go but I wasn't invited.

besides they would probably just serve tofu or something of a mucous texture similar to that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush tells another WHOPPER
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 05:17 PM

Who says we'd be using any water ??