BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 12:40 PM

I'm not comparing armies to terrorists, Martin. I'm talking about people who are not affiliated with any recognized armies, and are operating covertly as terrorists. But when we are funding, training, and giving marching orders to these people, as we did for instance in some Central American countries, we call them "freedom fighters". But they are still terrorists. Just with different affiliations and targets. And anyone who supports the use of these kinds of people by the US government is "tolerating" terrorism, as I suspect you yourself have done/are doing.

In one Central American country where the US was training and funding terrorists, they (the terrorists) were trained to shoot at peasants who were fleeing in the night from the people who were slaughtering them. In the absence of night vision equipment, the terrorists were trained to shoot towards the sound of babies crying. That was being done at the behest of the US government and with its blessing.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 12:41 PM

Let me put it this way then Carol, I have seen and heard Leaders of the Moslem community refuse to condemn the actions of these militants when invited to do so, in the same way as Jerry Adams is careful never to condemn the actions of the IRA. No doubt you will come up with some anodyne excuse, but being an apologist for murderers in no way helps to alleviate the problems they cause, nor does it reduce the body count in any way.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 12:48 PM

Well, I have seen and heard many, many Muslims all over the world, doing precisely what you say they have not been doing, John 'Giok' MacKenzie. So you are working with only a small percentage of the total population of Muslims in the world. To condemn all of them for the few you have a problem with would be exactly the same thing as if I were to blame you for the activities of extremists in your country and those who don't speak out against them (the BNP for example).

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 01:16 PM

Giok, she symphathizes with terrorists, that's all there is to it.

Poor little terrorists. Fighting for freedom. Yeah sure. Fighting to destroy anyone and everyone who doesn't bow to allah.

Put her in a room with some of them and we'll see how long she lasts.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 01:25 PM

You're the one who sympathizes with terrorists, Martoon. I criticize and condemn all forms of terrorism. You only condemn terrorism when it is committed by people you hate. You give your full support to it when it is committed by people you agree with.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 01:48 PM

Not true, Carol C.

You need a top hat and cane with your tap dance.

Everyone here knows you are the biggest Islamic-Facist sympathizer here.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 01:54 PM

Very good point Carol.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 01:59 PM

Very bad point, Carol

Stupid and wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 02:12 PM

Absolutely true, Martoon, and you are a liar.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 02:36 PM

Martin, are you trying to say that the United States doesn't have training camps for terrorists? What about the School of the Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia? And this is not the only one.

You might get your facts straight before you start attacking other people----   

Oh, that's right! You don't give a shit about facts. You just want to rant.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: jpk
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:41 PM

looks as if monday vanished,but what i said was basicly look to our [friends]the saudi's and there patent intolerance for and persecusion of anything and anyone having to do with other religions,esp cristian based,and these people are the better ones,most arab leaders also use the us as a scape goat,some place to focous the subjects anger besides themselfs,to keep the peions from relising just how much they are stealing from them.make us the great satan be the blame for there woes, not those smug bastards in yhere palaces.btw have a nice day and god bless[i loved the way that last teed mg off so much,but i do mean it]jpk

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:45 PM

Hi, David. Please fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:13 PM

jpk, the reason the problems in Saudi Arabia are as bad as they are is because the US is propping up a totalitarian regime in that country. In that particular case, the totalitarian regime that the US is propping up is Muslim. But there are plenty of non-Muslim totalitarian regimes that the US is also propping up. To the detriment of the people of those countries, I might add.

The reason the US props up totalitarian regimes all over the world is so that it can control the natural resources of those countries, or at the very least, have exclusive access to those resources. And also for the purpose of putting military bases in those countries, again, in order to achieve and to maintain world domination.

In Iran, for instance, there was a fledgling democracy there for a short while prior to the reign of the Shah's totalitarian regime. This fledgeling democracy was crushed by the US through a CIA backed coup, and the Shah and his totalitarian regime were installed in the place of the democratically elected government. This was for the purpose of controling that country's oil. The Islamic revolution in that country that brough the Ayatollahs to power was a direct result of the oppression of the Shah's brutal regime, in his capacity as client and puppet of the United States.

The people of Saudi Arabia are not at all happy with their government. The fact that the US is propping up that government (and also keeping military bases in that country) against the wishes of the majority of people there is a very big part of the reason the people in that country are very angry with the US.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: podman
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 02:39 PM

carol and jpk you are actually more in agreement than not because it is apparent that Muslim intolerance is become a tool to be used to manipulate those who are taught that ignorance is strength and to think for oneself is a crime. The Saudis have encouraged that kind of discipline among their own people and it is having its effect. The first victims of Muslim intolerance are other Muslims, similar to the original victims of Nazi Germans being other Germans. Left untreated this condition can spread the way an especially obnoxious virus does. intolerance is a symptom.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:12 PM

it is apparent that Muslim intolerance is become a tool to be used to manipulate those who are taught that ignorance is strength and to think for oneself is a crime

That's an interesting point, Podman. The very same thing is being done right here in the US by a government and mainstream media that is not Muslim. That is one of the reasons we see so much Muslim bashing in our media. It serves one purpose... so people won't mind so much when we kill large numbers of Muslims, as we have been in the last several years.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: jpk
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:58 PM

well to look at it the europeans are starting to become feed up with the muslim comunity to a very large degree,as to proping up goverments let us get the hay out of europe[eng.ger.etc]we have been proping up there rearends since ww twice.the damn french are getting mad that they might have to work more than an 30 hour week,heck if you get right down to it we should have let the soviets handle it,then the poor[sic] basterds would know what real torture is like,if they have not had enough under there own govt.also i do not believe that iran is any better of now than before,much worse really,and we certianly are not openly proping them up[behind the scene maybe can't tell this day and age]!also remeber that we got involved,when the french and brits pulled out after ww2[nam was little later when the french ran and jfk got us intangled there.it's all really just another mess we inherited from the old world[history repeats again]

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 07:17 PM

Awww, poor brucie, i answered your questions, you were clearly rattled, i asked you in turn to answer some of mine, and whats the best you can come up with, "Fuck Off".

Brucie, you are without doubt the most laughable excuse for an intelligant person i have ever met. Difference between people like you and me in the end, is that i am succesful, you are not. Whilst i drive a nice car, beautiful girlfriend, and work very hard and enjoy living in a nice area and a nice house, you will only ever find poverty...and you know why? No reason other than you are a fool. Pathetic even.

There are clever people on here, clever people who can refute my arguments, but you, you can't muster one.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:31 PM

Dear David,

Forget the please. Just fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:37 PM

Hannam,

While we're at it, allow me to say this last thing.

You are a poor excuse for a person, ragardless of your wealth and your girlfriend. I have my doubts about folks who define themselves in terms of the things the 'possess'. What I see in you is a repressed little boy who is now all grown up, except mentally. Your image depends on your CAR and your GIRLFRIEND? Jaysus. Quit the Nazi Party and get a life where you can try to do some good for those less fortunate than you are. Novel concept to you, maybe--but David, you are not part of some new elite. Just a blot of vomit on the face of life. Look at your Party. Look at what they espouse. Then tell me how wonderful you are, hotshot. Until then, fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:55 PM

click

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:00 AM

Love that link, GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,Little Engine That Coulda But Didna
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:07 AM

To your little list of fascists you could add:

Taliban

Wahhabi

Al Qaeda

Baathists

Hamas

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:11 AM

Define "fascist", Little Engine.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:27 AM

I can define 'dickhead' - someone who continues to FEED THE NAZI!

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:46 AM

Bruce, that was a post of a loser. haha.

What you mean is, you don't have nothing, so why should anyone else, especially me?

Face facts mate, you are a failure. You can't even construct a single answer to the 6 questions i asked in return for your questions answered. At first i thought it might be due to some principled stance, but i realise it was because you can't string a single argument together.

Brucie, your losing...hahahah

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: DavidHannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:06 AM

The problem with any subject that incorporates the issue of ethnicity, is that these issues have become the new victorian equivelant of 'sex', i.e that not to spoken about.

If people wonder why resentments fester etc, it's because the public feel that they can't talk about such matters, or at least there is nowhere for them to vent their concerns, some founded and some unfounded.

By criminalizing the issues of immigration, terrorism (and it's connection to religious fanatics) they stifle the general public of venting their feelings and there is no wonder resentment festers with community pitting against community.

I think if people were allowed their say on these subjects there would be less aggravation. It's a similar situation in Burnley where the BNP has done well, race crimes have actually dropped in Burnley. Why? Because people feel that there is someone there to represent their opinions rather than getting so worked up a mindless stupid minority take physical action.

In many ways, Brucie's retorts are directly the cause of the publics aggravation on the issues at hand. SOmeone spouts an opinion about not agreeing with multi-culturalism and brucie would simply shout them dow n with a torrent of abuse as has been proved again and again.

People like Carol on the other hand, although she may disagree with what people have to say, she is actually willing to engage in debate and reason, hence at least creating an outlet of talk for people on this issue.

Basically, to sum up: What is needed to help reduce tensions amongst communities is talk.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,T8
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:10 AM

Blah Blah Blah.

Nazi Troll.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:21 AM

Welcome to Mudcat David.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 07:41 AM

Thanks Flamenco.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:17 AM

"Brucie, your losing...hahahah"

Should read

"You're losing."

I won't welcome you to Mudcat. Not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow.

Nazi trash--don't need it here.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:19 AM

Above post was me.

"brucie would simply shout them dow n with a torrent of abuse"

Yeah. Your group, on the other hand, beats the shit out of folks who disagree. Trash. Nazi trash.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:24 AM

"the new victorian equivelant of 'sex'"

Your sense of your own history is screwed up. "The Pearl" was written and printed during Victoria's reign--it was a pornograhic publication. Sex was no more repressed than it is today. Find out something of your own history, little boy, and until then, please fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:46 AM

"Bruce, that was a post of a loser."

That's good coming from you. When's the last election you won? You have a seat somewhere? Other than at the goosestep meetings? Trash.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,David Hannam BNP
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:13 PM

Yes you do sound like a shrieking girl unfortunately.

haha, you call me little boy, but note how this little boy is more successful than you only dream of. Your like one of those embittered old men who have never done anything with their life and resent seeing a young person make a success. You a failure Brucie. I get more coverage playing guitar already than you ever have.

Also, i note you couldn't even keep your wife satisfied, hahahaha, you even failed there too. hahaha. Then again, judging by the size of minute intellect if it reflects the size of your manhood i ain't that surpised.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:18 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,brucie - PM
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:44 AM

Hang on. I sound like a ridiculous shrieking girl when I read these posts back to myself."

Joe and the Clones. This is not my post, either. Out the prick who's using my name.

David, you are one limp dick.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:27 PM

Hahaha, Brucie, you can't start retracting your statements you made just cos you made yourself sound like a shrieking girl. hahahahahahahahaha

I'd say go fuck your mother, but if your wife won't even fuck you i don't suppose your mother would? Unless your mother and wife are one and the same???

lol, poor brucie, and even now he still hasn't managed to string a decent argument or answer a single question.

I suppose you'd resent me having a degree would you too? Your a loser in life my friend. To see success must be so annoying to people like you.

I mean, i keep my woman!

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:02 PM

Well, well. You were warned what kind of person you were dealing with. If none of you had responded this thread would have dropped off the page by now. Instead we have a full blown MG wannabe.

Now lets have another twenty posts telling us why you want to respond to David. Instead of ignoring him. It's really too hard for some folk to do isn't it?

Enjoy your discourse.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:06 PM

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: DavidHannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:11 PM

Well Guest, if you look, i have always tried to post on the subject at hand. Look at the posts Brucie has made, and compare how many have actually been on the issue at hand. He even asked me a list of questions numbered, i answered them all, i asked him some, he could not even create a single response to any one of them.

I obviously respond to Brucie alone with his silly girl shrieks, however, i do not, or try not to, respond to others. I have debated with Carole, whom i disagree with on matters, but certainly took some of her points on, and she at least made me go away and question matters.

As for the type of person you are dealing with? Excuse me, are you telling old brucie has been a model of respectibility on this forum?

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:21 PM

MG is that you ?

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: DavidHannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:21 PM

and returning to the subject, i actually spoke to a young muslim male today whilst canvassing.

He attends his mosque accordingly. I asked him if he ever encountered problems, and he spoke of young muslims around his area vandalising. I was suprised to hear that amongst his community there is a growing drugs problem too, he said his parents and others were upset about what was happening, and he mentioned his parents had divorced and his sister is on drugs. I really didn't expect to hear of muslim divorce.

To be fair, it shows that the problems society is encountering is not distinct to any one group or ethnicity in this country. We all share the same problems. It needs all to work together and to equally recognize our differences as something unique and not something wrong.

This same town last year had its application for a St Georges Day celebration refused by council!! This sort of folly by our councils merely causes people to harbour resentments. It is the councillors, leaders who need to be replaced with a fair state before we can achieve some sort of understanding between communities.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:39 PM

"I suppose you'd resent me having a degree would you too? Your a loser in life"

I don't resent you having a degree. It's not in English, that's for sure.

David: My sexual abilities or lack thereof seem to occupy your thoughts. Does your girlfriend know this about you?

Also, David, just so's your are aware, folks on Mudcat already know I'm an asshole. Your posts above have shown YOU to be one, too. That, stupid, is all I wanted to accomplish.

As to musical abilities, I have never heard you play so I will not comment. But then, you have never heard me play either, so there you go talking through your arse again. Something you picked up from Mein Kampf, no doubt.

Kiss, kiss, sweet lips.

Brucie

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:40 PM

"As for the type of person you are dealing with? Excuse me, are you telling old brucie has been a model of respectibility on this forum?"

I am as far from being a model of respectability as anyone could get. However, I am not a Nazi. You are, David.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: DavidHannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:49 PM

Jeez, that post from you was the most dissapointing yet.

No, my girfriend doesn't know about my preoccupation with your lack of sexual abilties, or indeed as as you say, lack of! So brucie, are you EVER going to muster the brains to counter a single argument yet? I noticed you could not answer one of my questions i posted you? You are not thick as well as shit in bed are you?   Perhaps i should ask your wife, i mean she knows the latter maybe she knows the former?

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,Mrs. Hannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:03 PM

Oooh David when will you be home ?

I'm waiting for you in my Ilsa - She Wolf of the SS outfit that really turns you on mmmm.

I can't wait to whip you, shit on you and call you Adolph like you ask me to - that really turns you on.

Hurry home baby I'm getting hot just thinking about it.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:09 PM

The above post was not by me.

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:11 PM

"Jeez, that post from you was the most dissapointing yet.

No, my girfriend doesn't know about my preoccupation with your lack of sexual abilties, or indeed as as you say, lack of! So brucie, are you EVER going to muster the brains to counter a single argument yet? I noticed you could not answer one of my questions i posted you? You are not thick as well as shit in bed are you?   Perhaps i should ask your wife, i mean she knows the latter maybe she knows the former?"

About three people messaged me saying that David would not have posted the stuff he did under the name GUEST, David Hannam.

Folks, you were wrong.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: DavidHannam
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM

Mrs Hannam. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

That was honestly very funny!!!!!!!!

As for my posting, the last post anyone should be concerned about was this last one:

and returning to the subject, i actually spoke to a young muslim male today whilst canvassing.

He attends his mosque accordingly. I asked him if he ever encountered problems, and he spoke of young muslims around his area vandalising. I was suprised to hear that amongst his community there is a growing drugs problem too, he said his parents and others were upset about what was happening, and he mentioned his parents had divorced and his sister is on drugs. I really didn't expect to hear of muslim divorce.

To be fair, it shows that the problems society is encountering is not distinct to any one group or ethnicity in this country. We all share the same problems. It needs all to work together and to equally recognize our differences as something unique and not something wrong.

This same town last year had its application for a St Georges Day celebration refused by council!! This sort of folly by our councils merely causes people to harbour resentments. It is the councillors, leaders who need to be replaced with a fair state before we can achieve some sort of understanding between communities

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:38 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: GUEST,brucie - PM
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:44 AM

Hang on. I sound like a ridiculous shrieking girl when I read these posts back to myself."

NOT MY POST

Subject: RE: BS: More Muslim Intolerance (2)
From: jpk
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:42 PM

simple solution;for the countries that you wish to cry about,and how bad they are being used by the one you live in.well immigrate to one of them[if they will let you most won't,but we will let them do so'immigrate to ours']and try to help them stop the exploytation of there countries[bet there leaders will stop you from doing so].i hope you make thru the trial for treason, if they let you have one that is.face the facts,our countries and there leaders may not be saints[the us,gb,germ,fr,etc],but they are far better than almost any of the other choices,thats why we still live here,we can still try to change the things we don't like,with out being locked up or beheaded[for the most part anyway,if not carefull they will take that from us to if we let them'and damn it we are letting them'things like the pat. act. and the tsb are just the foot/feet in the door].we have it good compared to most.they could too if they would fight for it,and knew the truth about who to fight,and that who is not us but there own leadership.same as we have done in the past,distant and not so distant past.