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BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?

Once Famous 05 Jun 05 - 08:50 PM
GUEST,Sleepless Dad 05 Jun 05 - 08:53 PM
GUEST 05 Jun 05 - 08:57 PM
CarolC 05 Jun 05 - 09:01 PM
GUEST,Sleepless Dad 05 Jun 05 - 09:06 PM
GUEST 06 Jun 05 - 12:18 AM
dianavan 06 Jun 05 - 12:24 AM
JohnInKansas 06 Jun 05 - 03:08 AM
George Papavgeris 06 Jun 05 - 04:11 AM
The Fooles Troupe 06 Jun 05 - 09:08 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 08:50 PM

They are here alright.

On my grandmother's grave, they are here.

Pantyhose? I thought you borrowed Ron Davies' with the cotton panel.

Keep stalking me, Sleepless Dad. You lost your cookie it appears, if you ever had one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 08:53 PM

No, I never had one. I am just a regular here at Mudcat who signs out to ridicule you because I do not have the teswticles to do it under my regular posting name.

You probably do have a group of supporters here because Mudcat has changed and we are losing credibility here as the old group that we once were.

I admit that I like my pantyhose also with cotton panels as I become chafed easily in that region when there is no air for my tender skin. However, the cost of pantyhose is so high that it is one of many things that I lose sleep over, the other being my weight problem and the fact that I constantly have a pillpw full of my own drool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 08:57 PM

Uncle Henry, is that you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 09:01 PM

I'm sure they exist, and Martoon is their performing monkey. We're all laughing at Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 09:06 PM

Pretending to be me again Martin ?? I'm flattered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 12:18 AM

In the link Amos provided, there was an interesting quote:

The proposed law "would...even seek to take American citizenship away from persons who belong to or support disfavored political groups," Cole said.

Which 'disfavored political groups,' I wonder. The Green Party? The Democratic Party, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 12:24 AM

Thats unbelievable! What is a disfavored political group and who decides who is no longer favourable?


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 03:08 AM

re: disfavored political groups

I frankly don't know what current policy is, but ca. 1957 and for at least 25 years thereafter, anyone applying for a security clearance to handle classified or otherwise sensitive material was required to declare whether they had ever been a member of any of a long list of organizations listed on a standard form. A separate question asked if the person had ever attended any meetings, or associated regularly with "persons who might have been members," of essentially the same list of organizations. The list remained pretty much the same for most of that time, although there were some minor changes. I suspect the new list is somewhat different.

A separate questions asked for a list of all organizations the person had ever belonged to just in case they forgot one, or the person knew it by some other name...

If you answered yes to having attended/associated, the form had a short space where you were to "explain the circumstances," and for many purposes that was sufficient unless it was for a special clearance of some sort. There was a similar blank to explain a "membership," and it would depend on the investigating agency whether the explanation would be acceptable or whether a "personal interview" would be required. If a "personal interview" was required, questions would definitely NOT be restricted to explaining the "deviant entry," and could become quite invasive.

Since handling such information is a "position of trust" there is/was some rationale for the questions, but the PA appears to allow prosecution/persecution of anyone based on the suspicion of an unconfirmed "association." Hoover was a master at this, as was McCarthy, but usually even they didn't cross over to completely denying all of a person's civil rights until/unless they at least issued a subpoena. ...or did they?

(Members of Congress were/are NOT REQUIRED to have security clearance to have access to material the rest of us can't - and perhaps shouldn't - see, and generally can't be held criminally liable for blabbing it whenever it suits their personal political ends - no matter how much "aid and comfort" our "enemies" might gain. Their aides and employees though ....???)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 04:11 AM

Land of the free?
Hmmm...


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Subject: RE: BS: Patriot Act unconstitutional?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 09:08 AM

"Like I said in other thread, it's really no big deal to me."

Of course it is, that's why he never shuts up - he NEEDS to abuse others - verbally at the moment, but are his children safe?


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