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BS: For Real. I quit

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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:12 AM

Is it me, or has this thread been severely edited?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:33 AM

And better for it too methinks, perhaps better if it had stayed amongst the MIA list.
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:36 AM

Ted, if you read what Max has said, he has managed to get Mudcat almost back to normal, so that most of the missing 6 months of posts have been retrieved, but a day or two has been lost. He still needs to get a few bugs out, but right now, he is catching up on some well-deserved sleep.

Give the guy a break! I think we are very lucky to have got this much back, considering the problem. I'm happy anyway. Whatever we missed on this thread, maybe it's just as well, and if anything is important enough, people can always post again.

Personally, I think the break could be a blessing in disguise, as far as this thread is concerned. It might have given some people a chance to cool down a bit. One can always hope anyway.

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:56 AM

All the gutter humour about 'plumbing' is gone. Flushed away. Who said what about it being an anal tax return? I recall brucie's thrifty idea of using both sides of the toilet paper. There were a number of others, but they're greywater under the bridge now.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:59 AM

Jenny O,
       Keep your hair on!! My post was tongue in cheek in an attempt to raise Shambles from his slumber!! Some of you lot really need to chill out!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:08 AM

Whats the rest of Mudcat going to do for a "whippin boy" now? (Akenaton)

So early in this thread a good prediction hid in a question.

One cannot but hope this person is gone for good. I cannot understand how anyone can lament his goodbye. Even if I were a conservative as mg claimed to be I would have been embarrassed by the style. I would have blocked his access long ago.

On the other hand, I've never understood the 'take-a-stand' position when it became repetitive. Once or twice it is understandable, but quickly mg has made clear he would never react in a decent way to that approach. Good Mudcatters have lowered sometimes their style and argumentation for a fight with mg. Even if you can win a fight of words with mg in his style would you really want to win such a fight?

The let's-play-with-Martin game has become boring (perhaps even for him). There has been more than one political thread in which mg has been 'invoked' ("soon, Martin will come and tell us..."etc.) before even showing up for the first time. There have been threads in which mg only needed to post a link with a few harmless words and soon some reacted to this link as if mg had already insulted them in that very thread. A reactive anticipation of future abuse which of course invariably did come.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:34 AM

Think Pavlov and dogs Wolfgang.
Giok {Ring that bell}


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:38 AM

Oh, Ted - sorry. I'm afraid the tongue in cheek humour escaped me. All I can say is that it's been a long day (it's night time here in Oz).

I guess Shambles WOULD have a field day - heh heh. But maybe we should let sleeping Shambles lie. Shhhh.

I remember some of the toilet humour. I posted something about hearing the flush of a distant toilet - er, or was it the distant sound of a toilet flushing, or something like that.

And someone else said something about plumbing the depths.

Jenny (flushed with embarrassment)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:39 AM

since he is no longer here is a copy of his last PM to me.

................

Hey you got a pm!

A couple of comments on:

"If PM's are the standard currency of proof of friendship or support I too would be bankcrupt of shared opinion.

There is a practice one could call reverse trollism. I too practiced it many years ago.   You take the opposite position to your own and use the rhetoric to exagerratingly discredit that point of view.

It gets old fast but it is fun in an immature teen age way. Be warned that the current troll in residence is neither conservative or a Jew. "

* I am having more fun than a lot here. Sometimes it is so damn funny!
* You are right. I am not hardly what you would call a conservative.
* You are wrong. I am a practicing reform Jew and about the only thing I do take seriously here is some of the music threads and the anti-semites here.

Hey, you're doing better in the old analyze Martin game than some others. Now, take it easy and lighten up. It's only a BS section in a stupid web forum.

ps. If you respond nicely, you WILL join the ranks of the hundreds just like it. Honestly!

take care.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:34 AM

Interesting, Don. I haven't posted to this thread before, not wanting to tempt fate.

If this past months/year was a ruse, it was a joke that had a life of it's own. The stridency with which some of the insults came through were such that whether real or play-acting, the voice behind them was unhealthy. The schoolyard bully in hyperspace.

I once asked MG why he bothered, and he responded back (PM) that it was all a joke, and a way to stir people up. But who would have the time or interest in such a sustained experiment?

An author I know of once created a persona on a discussion list and kept it going for several months before confessing who he was. There was some alter ego stuff going on, but there was also a chance to offensively yank people's chains without accountablity. He could write it and think "this isn't really me," when of course it was exactly he who was writing that stuff. The alter ego has been quoted in essays since then (this is all American Indian literature stuff, so I won't go into more details or I'd bore the thread stiff). Those posts still come back to bite the original author on occasion, but in the way of computers, unless they were printed out at the time they're probably gone by now.

We can keep our eyes open for a thesis or dissertation by some warped academic in which he describes and analyzes anti-social behavior as forced upon an open society. If it was an experiment, it was in extremely poor taste, and I hope his committee pans the work.

Beyond the above conjecture, I'm glad to see that the individual who called himself "Martin Gibson" is gone, because he was extremely insulting to several of my loved ones. I don't, however, trust that he will stay away. If/when he returns, the form he chooses may be different, but those leopard's spots don't change.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 11:16 AM

Donuel I'm confused as hell now, it doesn't take much. I thought you said little hawk was marty boy?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 11:20 AM

see - MG quits and the world ends (for a day or so)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 11:47 AM

Donuel I'm confused as hell now, it doesn't take much. I thought you said little hawk was marty boy?

Yes, I heard that from what people were saying on the Annexe. Did you really say that, Donuel?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 11:50 AM

On the subject of this other slander (boldface lie) against me by Joe Offer...

And then when the trolls attack, they squeal like a stuck pig. Jack does it, CarolC does it, Ron Davies does it, and so does dianavan - and many others.

I have only ever requested TWO attacks against me be deleted (in five years of posting to the Mudcat). I did so after Joe announced his policy of 100 percent review of "Martin Gibson's" posts. On both occassions, I did it for one reason, and one reason only... to find out if the 100 percent review was going to appy to "Martin's" personal attacks against me.

Joe Offer, in posting this accusation to the open forum has breached an important bit of Mudcat ettiquette, because in doing so, he has discussed the contents of Personal Messages and private e-mails in the open forum (and he gave the names of the people whose messages he was discussing). The only way to refute his accusations is to post the exact contents of one of the PMs I sent him in order to request deletion of a personal attack. This is the kind of language Joe has described as "squeal(ing) like a stuck pig"...

This is the first of the two, sent on 19 Apr 2005 01:32 PM:

Hi Joe,

I respectfully request that this post of Martin Gibson's be deleted. Or at least the parts of it that refer to me...

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=80337&messages=99&page=1&desc=yes#1465466

    Here's a link to that message, #1465466 (click). I can't figure out how it insults anybody.
    And the complaints I've heard in this thread about my failure to delete that message, sure sound to me like the squeal of a stuck pig.
    -Joe Offer-

Later....
    Well, it appears that the crash did change the message numbers, so it's possible that message #146566 originally referred to a message from Martin Gibson. Whatever the case, it's unlikely that I would have any reason to refuse to delete a message if it was indeed offensive. I deleted dozens of Martin's messages. Why would I refuse or intentionally neglect to delete that one in particular? I have to say that I don't remember Carol's request at all.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 11:59 AM

Could you whine and suck ANY more CarolC???

Sack up a little, would ya...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:15 PM

That's pretty rich coming from the whine and suck KING of the Mudcat, Clinton Hammond.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Heavy Sigh
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:26 PM

The song is ended,
But the malady lingers on........


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:29 PM

Well, Joe could always apologise. That migh help heal some wounds.

(I'm not holding my breath, though... )


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:32 PM

Yer just confirming what a thin grasp you have on a thing most of us like to call reality.....

Believe whatever you need to, in order to get your wee little head to sleep at night CarolC... Especially about me...   It matters not one whisht....

Keep posting about it too... all you're doing is supporting the 'majority' opinion of you in this thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:39 PM

Yeah, you are kind of a whiny little bitch, yourself, Clinton. (No offense.) But how is whining about whining not whining itself? Sack up a little, yourself, and lead poor little Carol out of the darkness by example.

Fascinating reading, here, now that I've had the chance to finish reading it. Predictably, several people have placed the blame for all this bullshit on anonymous GUESTs. You poor victims, you.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:59 PM

Keep posting about it too... all you're doing is supporting the 'majority' opinion of you in this thread...

That's pretty funny, Clinton, did you used to feed that line to "Martin" when he was around? It sounds like one of his.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:03 PM

That's a good point, Lepus Rex. It's been a hell of a long time since I last saw a post from Clinton that wasn't a complete whinefest. His wife must have his nuts in a vice clamp or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:21 PM

Heh. And at least you're "whining" about a real issue, Carol. I mean, even Martin Gibson usually complained about things he cared about... Clinton's just standing around in his "I hate Mondays!" t-shirt shaking his dick at random passersby.

Go back to the "sort of likable curmudgeon" thing, Clinton, 'cause this ain't working. You're not Martin Gibson material. You're not even Gibson Lite. You're just not that kind of bastard.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:23 PM

"lead poor little Carol out of the darkness by example"

I'd rather leave the bint in the dark...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:37 PM

LOL, Lepus Rex.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:41 PM

"shaking his dick at random passersby"
If I did tha,t no one'd see it....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:42 PM

Once again, I can't believe you all have wasted so much time on this subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM

One bad apple spoils the whole box eventually. He was allowed and often encouraged to rule the roost. Those scared of becoming his next victims hung on his every word. Dianavan summed it up.

The clone(s) who had a delete fest a couple of weeks back, sure found the time to delete criticisms against him. And regardless of how many times they tell you those posts were offensive...they were not.

He either was a clone or was admired by one. Funny they never found the time to delete his many hundreds of offensive postings. Either way a few , a very few members, lost a lot of credibility.

And LH your inane ramblings are an insult to those he derided. He overstepped the mark big time, unless you also enjoy seeing women, children and disabled folk insulted. Don't answer that please, I haven't the time for your views. I find them twisted.


I posted that about 500 posts ago . I can't be the only one who has known for months it was LH? By the time he wrote his recent 'Liberal Twitch' thread, where he took the p**s out of a 15 yr old boy with a speech impediment, LH had lost the plot so much he was writing as MG, but using LH as the name. I pointed that out to him on that thread and got called the predictable (never had much of an imagination eh?) troll guest, but by then it was transparent who MG was.

It was always going to be someone who never had kids, nobody with them could wish another persons child dead, it was also someone who had issues with females,and a good idea about those he targetted, a passable knowledge of judaism and a chicago fixation, plus someone who was probably bullied as a kid.

LH ticked all those boxes. But his dogmatic belief in his own beliefs as LH swung it for me, the same dogmatic stance MG took in his opinions. Everyone else was always wrong and he was always right, regardless of which personna he was using at the time.

I am sorry for all those he hurt too, it made a pretty good detective mystery for a very short space of time. But if I knew him, like some of you did, I would be upset understandably. Donuel's post stating it was LH has been deleted, maybe he requested it to be.

The consolation is he must be a very unhappy indivdual to get his kicks like that. Hope the meds kick in and he finds another purpose in life. But for everytime LH called me a troll guest for pointing out his resemblance to MG, he can well and truely swivel.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:56 PM

Interesting but unprovable.
G


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:11 PM

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Little Hawk, Guest, 15 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM, for various reasons. And also there were some posts from MG that LH didn't know about.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:13 PM

I said Little Hawk might be Martin Gibson based on the flimsiest intuition and similar writing styles but I have no evidence or right to besmerch Little Hawk who I think is a good egg.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:19 PM

Joe Offer,

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I think you should entertain the possibility that the link you provided re CarolC's post of June 15 at 11:50 AM may no longer be linking to the thread to which she originally referred. Since the big crash, the database is, to put it it bluntly, fucked. Posts within threads were restored out of sequence. Just open this thread at the first post. A post by JennyO at 6:52 AM on June 11 is now showing as the initial post to this thread, not MG's post of 7:50 PM, June 10. I've come across similar things in other threads. Some are bad enough that it's impossible to follow the sequence of the thread at all. If there's jumbling in one database field, there's probably jumbling in others.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:23 PM

Good eggs don't respond the way LH did in his 'liberal twitch' thread. That was pure MG. But what the heck we all believe what we want to believe. I am off to sit under a pyramid and await enlightenment.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Tommy! Make 'em Stop!
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:24 PM

His wife must have his nuts in a vice clamp or something.

Who said that? Why, it was CarolC who, along with her husband Jack the Sailor, has spent this thread whining about Joe didn't do enough to stop Martin Gibson's use of such comments.

Congratulations CarolC, you are the new Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:27 PM

Here's a link to that message, #1465466 (click). I can't figure out how it insults anybody. And the complaints I've heard in this thread about my failure to delete that message, sure sound to me like the squeal of a stuck pig.

More lies and slander, Joe. Please show me where any of those complaints about you not deleting that message have come from me.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Mooh
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:28 PM

Imagine my surprise when Joe's link above connects to one of my pointless posts unrelated to this thread! How'd THAT happen?

Brief Mudconfusion leads to me becoming MG or something (I'm not really following this discussion very closely). Cool, fame!

Sorry, Mooh is Mooh.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:30 PM

I take it that LH is Little Hawk, and MG in the post above is Martin Gibson. I checked Martin's posts many, many times. In the last six months, I have spent far more time on the posts of Martin Gibson than I have spent on all other objectionable posts combined in the nine years I have been here at Mudcat. As far as I can determine, he always posted under the name of Martin Gibson. I think there was a time or two when Mudcatter logged out and posted as "Guest, Martin Gibson" - but in those cases, it was pretty obvious that somebody was posting pseudonymously to poke fun at Martin. But, in the thousands of messages posted by Mudcat Member Martin Gibson, it was that individual and nobody else.

There was no impersonation in the "Martin Gibson Affair," and it's unfair to attempt to accuse any regular Mudcatter of posing as Martin Gibson.

But Martin Gibson was prolific. He often posted more than thirty messages in a day. Keeping up with him was a real chore.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:30 PM

Bee-dubya-ell is right. That wasn't the post.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:36 PM

Who said that? Why, it was CarolC who, along with her husband Jack the Sailor, has spent this thread whining about Joe didn't do enough to stop Martin Gibson's use of such comments.

I am me, and my husband is my husband. If you have a complaint about something I have said, take it up with me. If you have a complaint about something my husband has said, take it up with my husband.

My complaints about Joe Offer are between me and Joe Offer, and they are very legitimate. Joe know what he has to do if he is going take responsibility for his behavior in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:40 PM

Also, there is not one single post in this thread in which I have complained about Joe not deleting anything. My complaints in this thread have been and are entirely about Joe repeatedly lying about me in this thread, and about Joe discussing the contents of PMs and private e-mails in the open forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:42 PM

Clinton - I thought a few hundred posts ago you were telling us that this is just an internet forum and we're making mountains out of molehills. We care because we're offended. If your wife or mother or children had been called "cunts" you would care too. And we would be complaining just as loud. If it had happened to Joe Offer or Max I can promise you these posts would have been deleated. But they were not. But since it "only" happened to someone you and Joe don't like we're just supposed to forget about it ??

There is something rotten at the Mudcat. And let me guess - we should just go away and start our own forums - right ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:45 PM

Bring back the toilet humour.............. PLEASE!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:47 PM

"If your wife or mother or children had been called "cunts" you would care too"

Oh no I f-n wouldn't! Cause I know the 'value' of this place is such that I don't HAVE to care ANYTHING that's said on this thing...

And well, how do you know my mom, wife or children (what children) aren't c#nts?!?!?! Maybe I am too! Maybe you are too...   

Maybe we all are...

I suspect there's no 'maybe' about it


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:52 PM

Hah! I missed Donuel's now-lost post on the supposed LH-MG connection, but I read discussions about the possibilty here and on Jon Freeman's forum. And as intriguing a possibility as it is, I'd have a hard time believing that he was he. Although LH is probably one of the handful of Mudcatters who, if he applied himself, could conceivably pull off a convincing alternate persona for years (that doesn't sound like a compliment, but it is)... Nah, I just don't think so.

But, hey, go ahead and believe it. Then, at least I'm not MG anymore. >:)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM

So if it doesn't bother you it shouldn't bother us ? You're the best judge ??


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM

Sidestepping the poop for a moment, there is a kind of profiling that can be done on language to establish connections between one virtual persona and another based on the assertation that it's almost impossible to disguise your word pattern over a long passage. It's quite accurate if you have sufficient input.

OK, as you were.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:03 PM

... that should have been assertion, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:08 PM

Lepus no way, you're far too sane and pleasant. Often you've saved me posting by writing what I had thunked.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:14 PM

"So if it doesn't bother you it shouldn't bother us ?"

I don't understand how anyone who claims to be an intelligent, mature adult CAN get so bent outa shape by anything that mighta been said about them in such an ephmeral and meaningless medium as an internet message board...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:19 PM

Well it does. We can't help it if you're an insensitive pig. So shut the fuck up and leave us alone.

But hey - it's OK to say that because this is "such an ephmeral and meaningless medium as an internet message board... "


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:20 PM

MG=LH? BS

WH


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:24 PM

Somewhere on the net (I can't find it now) there is a fun little toy in which you paste an exceprt, and it guesses the writer's gender, based on some simple rules, such as the count of adverbs and adjectives, and relative ratios and such.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:28 PM

As long as everyone's gettin' along . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:33 PM

Just because you say it with profanity, doens't make it mean any more to me, '615'

Sure errodes your case though....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM

Exactly - That's the point I'm trying to make.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM

I like peace because it's peaceful.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:38 PM

You can call a sheep a dog, but that won't make it bark.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:41 PM

I suppose it's possible that the crash changed the message numbers. I haven't noticed that in other situations, however. I think the distinct possibility exists that Carol made a mistake, and that's why I wasn't able to find and delete the message in question. It may be that Carol gave me incorrect information because she does not understand our thread and message numbering system - many people don't.

I suppose one could possibly imagine that I deleted one message as requested, and then deliberately neglected to delete another one, in an attempt to punish or harrass the target of the message. Seems unlikely to me, though. I don't have any reason to do that, and I don't have any history of having done that in the past.

As I've said before, Martin Gibson was prolific, and it was impossible for me to keep up with every insulting message he posted. It took me a while to accept the idea that I needed to read all of his messages, at the end of every day. I did that in spurts. When he seemed to settle down, I stopped reviewing his messages until I started to get complaints again. He was on full review for several days before he stopped posting. Believe me, reading all those Martin Gibson messages was not a pleasant task. There are many other things that I would prefer to spend my time on. It was especially thankless because so many people insisted on their "right" to do battle with him, which provoked him to post even more. It really feels like a slap in the face that those same people are now complaining about Mudcat's failure to control Martin Gibson.

-Joe Offer-

  • Maybe it wasn't Carol who complained in this thread about my failure to delete Martin's attacks on Carol.
  • Maybe it was Jack who complained about it.
  • Maybe it was wrong of me to assume that Jack was speaking on Carol's behalf.
  • If that's the case, I apologize to Carol for my getting confused.
  • But I'm still confused....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:47 PM

But Brucie would it baa-rk?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:50 PM

I said on another thread--I am a changed man. I have discovered MELONS. (And JennyO then suggested warming them first. What a gal.)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM

So 615... it's black... no it's blacker than black, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM

The issue, Joe, I repeat, is not whether or not you deleted that post.

THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY LIED ABOUT WHAT I HAVE SAID AND DONE IN THIS THREAD AND IN PMs AND PRIVATE E-MAILS TO YOU.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM

I like peace too Brucie. Shame the previous end of this thread got lost - it was much more enjoyable.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: annamill
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM

FOR REAL, I QUIT...THIS THREAD!!

Boring..


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:57 PM

AND FURTHERMORE, I HAVE NEVER ONCE CRITICIZED YOU IN THE FORUM FOR NOT DELETING ANYTHING POSTED BY MARTIN GIBSON


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:02 PM

"So 615... it's black... no it's blacker than black, right?"

Of course - Ray Charles could see that. I'm glad you're finally starting to come around.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:03 PM

Oh no... it's that you've come around to see it MY way!

Wanna fight about this for a while??

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:07 PM

Not since you've given up and seen it my way mate. Thanks for conceding the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:09 PM

I missed your apology for getting confused, Joe. It's a nice apology for what it's for, getting my posts confused with those of JtS, but it still doesn't address the this slanderous lie as it applies to me:

And then when the trolls attack, they squeal like a stuck pig. Jack does it, CarolC does it, Ron Davies does it, and so does dianavan - and many others.
    OK, so I got it wrong. Jack squeals on your behalf, without your knowledge or permission. Sorry, but I got confused.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:16 PM

Jacqui.c.... yes, it was, even though it had a shitty theme. Did you read my post about the vicious robin?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:19 PM

I said in another thread ages ago that Mr G was the one of best wind up merchants I had ever seen. I have often disagreed with him and sometimes agreed. I have never condoned insults and profanity but, hats off to you Martin, 590 posts and counting for a sign off message...

Power to your elbow, man.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:21 PM

The specific profanity c**nt has been used more times by other mudcatters in this thread than the total times MG ever posted. Now think about that my friends.

I know it can be humiliating being the target of such a profanity. I myself have been called a prick many times in my life, and and many of the accusers, suprisingly (or not so suprisingly) have been females.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:21 PM

OK, Carol. You have always been kind, considerate, and complimentary. You have never done combat with anyone here at Mudcat. You are as sweet as honey and as pure as the driven snow. You are so polite that you could teach Miss Manners a lesson or two. I have met you in person, so I know this to be a fact.
I am sorry that I ever thought otherwise of you. I guess I got you confused with some other Carol C who posts here at Mudcat.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:24 PM

Oh-oh ...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:32 PM

Martin,
   Thanks for leaving...You socio-political neocon deathsquad knave!

Peter

Thankyou again


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:38 PM

OK, Carol. You have always been kind, considerate, and complimentary. You have never done combat with anyone here at Mudcat. You are as sweet as honey and as pure as the driven snow. You are so polite that you could teach Miss Manners a lesson or two. I have met you in person, so I know this to be a fact.
I am sorry that I ever thought otherwise of you. I guess I got you confused with some other Carol C who posts here at Mudcat.


This sarcasm is bullshit, Joe. Yes, sometimes I do battle with people.

BUT I HAVE NEVER ONCE COMPLAINED TO YOU OR ABOUT YOU OR TO OR ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE OF THE RESULTS

With the exception of the two PMs I sent after you announced your 100 percent review of Martin's posts, pretty much all of my PMs and e-mails to you have been to alert you to the presence of racist, anti-Semitic, and other kinds of hate mongering threads and/or posts, and I think we had a disagreement a long time ago about a thread you deleted. That's it.

And I have NOT been participating in any of the "complain about Joe Offer" or "complain about the way the Mudcat is moderated threads" (unlike Clinton Hammond).

I have not been criticizing you, and I have not been complaining to you or about you.

SO STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT ME!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:40 PM

No gnu - missed that one - any chance for a reprise?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:43 PM

OK, OK, OK, Carol.

I guess it's Jack who does the complaining for you, huh? If that's the case, work it out with him and tell him to let you speak for yourself, and both of you get off my case.

I'm sorry I got myself sucked into the wrath of CarolC and her trusty husband. I didn't have any desire to fight - all I want is for people to Stop Responding To Trolls!!!

And that's all I have to say.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:44 PM

600!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:45 PM

Fuck you, Joe!

Jack complains about what pisses him off.

Are you punishing me for what he does here?
    Talk to Jack, Carol. He's your husband. I have nothing more to say. His speaking on your behalf is very confusing to me.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:45 PM

HOW DARE YOU JOE - I WANTED THE 600!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:46 PM

600! Damn! I missed it!

I wasn't going to get involved in this, and I'm still not going to get involved in this, but I have an observation or two, and a suggestion, for what it's worth.

I had assumed that Martin Gibson's leaving would have been met with jubilation and celebration, but not so. His leaving managed to drop the biggest stink bomb he's exploded yet. And instead of reacting with a relieved and happy "Well, thank God that's over!" and opening a window and airing the place out, it seems that people are inhaling deeply, complaining bitterly, and attacking each other. It's like the old crack about the Democratic Party—a firing squad formed in a circle. When the momentum picked up on this, I was hoping that during the hiatus of the last few days when Mudcat was down, all the pent-up animosity would have lost its steam, but obviously not.

Ye gods, folks!!

Now, whether I fired zingers at Martin Gibson or ignored him, it didn't seem to make much difference. I probably took about as much crap off him as anybody else. But who cares? None of it bothered me. I've encountered people like him before—in 3-D—so I just considered the nature of the source. It was obvious that he wasn't going to go away until he decided to, so the best thing to do was just roll with the punches.

Okay. Here's my suggestion:   Go take a hike!!

No, I mean it. Take a hike. Push back from the computer, shut it down, and go for a walk. In the woods. Or in a nearby park. It's spring going into summer. Take note of the fact. Or if there are no parks or woods nearby, pick up a book and go to a nearby coffee shop, get a cup of mud, sit down at a corner table, and read—something light and entertaining, nothing serious. While you're out, do some deep breathing. Blow a little fresh air through your head.

Then, when you return, stay off Mudcat for a few days. Make it a week. Maybe two. Do something else. Gain a little perspective.

Then, before you log back onto Mudcat, resolve that anything you feel about Martin Gibson or anything that resulted from his tenure on Mudcat—or anything that happened as a result, such as getting mad at someone else for whatever reason—is past, gone, done with, and not worth even thinking about anymore. Whatever the gripe is, forget it. Wipe it clean! Can you do that?

Fresh start. C'mon, people. Give it a try.

Don Firth
(It's a fairly nice day here, so I'm going to follow my own suggestion. See ya all later.)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:48 PM

Good luck with that, Don.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:49 PM

You really need to learn how to recognise a friend, Joe. Because until what you posted about me in this thread, I was your friend.

If you don't like what JtS posts in this forum, you really need to discuss it with him, and not take it out on me with stupid, petty, slanderous attacks on me.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:50 PM

Best post so far - thanks Don.

I don't think the hike's a good idea here today - it's cold and windy and damp. Why would I feel homesick for the UK when the weather's the same!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:55 PM

And I'll explain to you why JtS gets pissed off.

He gets pissed off because he sees someone attacking his wife in the Mudcat with pornographic abuse, and it pisses him off. Are you saying it wouldn't piss you off if someone did that to your wife?

And JtS has received PMs from people telling him that he shouldn't tolerate the way "Martin Gibson" was treating me. That's a hell of a thing to have to live with. So he gets pissed off.

I will not criticize him for trying to be a good husband. That's not the right thing for me to do.

If you want to clear things up with him about what you don't like about his posts, stop being such a coward and abusing his wife as a way to change his behavior. Talk to him about it yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:04 PM

I think we all would like Martin Gibson to come back. He reminds me of the character King Rat. Whether we liked it or not he served a purpose. With him around he allowed many characters here to vent their innermost anger, frustrations at him. Now that he is gone it seems the anger, frustrations, the demons from way down in our ID are shooting out everywhere.

With that being said, Marty come back!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:10 PM

You're wrong, Queequeg.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:10 PM

"Are you saying it wouldn't piss you off if someone did that to your wife?"

That's exactly what I'm saying! Besides, my wife knows this is just the internet and none of it is worth the powder to blow it to hell... On top of that, my WIFE knows better than to hang out here...   I keep trying to tell her the smooth is worth the crunchy...   maybe she's right afterall...

Don Firth has it exactly right...   Blow some wind through your head and get some perspective...

Me, I'm going to a jam session to make some good music...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:14 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:15 PM

LOL!

Funniest post in the thread!

Nice one!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:19 PM

I was talking to Joe, Clinton, not you.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:19 PM

Joe - I don't mean for this to sound as confrontational as it's going to sound but I'll risk it and ask anyway. Do you think - given the current situation - that you are suited to be a good moderator at this time ? Is there a "rotation schedule" for Joe Clones ? Do you feel you need to take a break ? Do you WANT to take a break ?

Again - sorry if this sounds like I'm trying to screw with you. For the record I do think you've made some mistakes but none of us are perfect. I wouldn't want your job. But I'm curious if you think you need a breather from all the glamour and glory of being a Mudcat joeclone ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:22 PM

No I'm correct CarolC. Look at this thread. Is it ridiculous, or does it reflect the the pathetic souls of certain people who are desperately trying to find peace and solace but not knowing were to drop their frustration and anger. Instead of rejoicing it is full of contempt, hate. Look at the anger you are venting. Yes you. You should be dancing a jig under the moon. Marty is gone. Get on with it, and enjoy the void he has left behind. Get your head out of this thread. Go on, get out. Go post something under the 'gardening' thread, or even the 'what's the weather like where you are'.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:26 PM

BTW Carolc, that was me up above. Now go on get out here. scat.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:32 PM

You're still wrong, Queequeg.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:35 PM

Nope, I stand steadfst and correct Carolc. Now get out of here. Forget it all. Your points have been manifested. Hanging around in this thread isn't going to do you any good. Your 'good' can be posted elsewhere. Marty is no longer around to humiliate you.

No go on!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:37 PM

Hey! I'm glad Gobson is gone. I remember it before he was here and it was nice.

I think, mostly (by a huge margin), Joe does a good job. Even Homer nods. Some of his decisions I don't agree with, but he probably doesn't agree with all of mine. If you disagree with Joe, do so politely and rationally please.

I do think Joe allowed Gobson too much rope, and and that Joe and Wolfgang were too ready to defend Gobson when Gobson got some flak back (to the extent of calling it stalking - whereas I think that if Gobson got any flak, he thoroughly deserved it - indeed frankly he deserved a good kicking or worse). But I can usually say that without resorting to abuse, and I have occasionally been deleted.

And mostly I think CarolC and Dianavan are OK. Any shit they heaped on Gobson, he asked for.

The cat is a better place. Rejoice!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:53 PM

Richard,

I'm in total agreement that Joe does a wonderful job and I've yet to see where he's slighted anybody.

I just think that CarolC is so full of piss and vinegar that she feels the need for public flogging of someone since her nemesis is no longer present.


Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:58 PM

SuSu's Husband - If someone - we know who - had called SuSu a nasty name - and it wasn't deleated - would you feel the same way ? Or is it OK because the women that were abused are women that have political views that might be different that yours ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:15 PM

Jacqui.c et al... Yesterday, in the midst of a number of 'plumbing'... okay, gutter humour shit jokes, I posted something like this...

Such a lovely, cool, cloudy spring day. I recently had a surgery which left me not able to do any heavy work, including washing windows on a ladder. I bought some "Windex" jugs that attach to a garden hose, recommended by a friend. Just spray it on, wait twenty seconds, and rinse off. How simple and easy.

When washing one side of my mum's house, a robin, whose nest is in my mum's neighbour's trees, took offense at my proximity to it's nest and dove at me several times. Once, it came around the corner and dove and I almost sprayed it by mistake.

After about five hours of various light outdoor chores, I sat with Mum, chatting and enjoying the numerous birds that frequent the apple tree in her yard. We were fascinated by two pairs of hummingbirds who were becoming increasing territorial over the feeders I mounted on a post next to the apple tree.

Mum and I were glued to the little dynamos and their antics, all at break-neck speed. I did not see it coming. At the last split second, when the robin feathered, pulled full g's and let bombs away, I turned my head and tried to raise my hand to aviod being struck... to no avail. I was struck on the temple, about an inch from the eye.

The $%&^* robin then lit on the fence and sang a song of triumph while I washed off my head with the garden hose. How;s that for a shit story?

PS.... I sat again today and watched the bumblybirds with Mum... and the robins... intently!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:20 PM

gnu - what with dive bombing robins and careless dental hygenists you really are in the wars! Who have you pissed off so big time that this is all heaped on your head? (literally, in the case of the robin!)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:26 PM

May I be the first to request permission to publish this thread?

Little Willie feeling mean
Pushed his sister through a screen.
Mother stopped his innovations
Said it made for strained relations.

Willie built a guillotine
Tried it out on sister Jean.
Said Mother, as she got the mop
These messy games have got to stop.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:33 PM

I would like to apologise to Joe for implying that he encourged Martin Gibson out of malice. I might have believed it before but I don't now, especially after this thread. I believe he was making honest mistakes similar to his mistaking Carol for me in this thread. If he can do that he can certianly be confused on which of Martin's hundreds of posts to delete.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:47 PM

Sanity at last Q.

Willie, in a rage insane
Threw his head beneath a train
All were quite surprised to find
How it broadened Willie's mind.

(? Harry Graham)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:48 PM

As a current popular thread indicates, it is damn near impossible to get the last word on anything round here, even for the administrators! But it is a little quieter now, and serious words spoken softly are ignored when everybody's supporters are shouting at the top of their voices. You can't hear others when you are shouting. Sometimes 'a soft word turneth away wroth', but perhaps not at Mudcat...

"I don't care who's right or wrong -
All I want to do is stop the fight!!!"

Ah yes, the response of an ignorant bullying thug! If you're for real, I wouldn't wish anyone to be one of your kids. Only spineless wimps tolerate that sort of treatment, once they become adults. The Alpha Male may scare the kiddies off for a while, but once he looks away, the ants are back in the sugar bowl again, requiring constant 'hands-on' effort to keep the peace. Kids always fighting? Displaying that attitude usually generates a 'lose-lose' result, and the participants are at it hammer and tongs, as soon as the 'peacemaker' turns his back (and then he complains that they are at it again!). At best it can create a "win-lose" situation, so one side feels justified in carrying on the war. If the USA uses this as its foreign policy in the Middle East, bend down, put your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye - as song goes "We're all gonna die" - WW III. The Pakistan Prime Minister was on Aussie TV today, and his words were that you will not solve the current problems of terrorism without dealing with the fundamental societal issues in a spirit of fairness and justice. One of the basic drivers for Terrorism is Poverty. Sweeping it under the carpet is only for the incompetent, and doesn't fix the problem.

However, and I suspect that there are very few reading this... and for those of you who have claimed to have lost the will to live after reading my serious posts - well, sod you too, ignoramuses!....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joe, as a representative of Mudcat, is fighting a rearguard action against Cultural Imperialists coming in form outside trying to run the place. Unfortunately many people, some of who were intimidated into silence by their own admission, saw the 'Toon' as a Cultural Imperialist too - trying to impose his foul mouthed racists, etc life view on them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Sometime when you're feeling important,
Sometime when your ego's in bloom,
Sometimes when you take it for granted
You're the best qualified in the room." ....

"I'll tell you, **NONE** of you could do the job he does with the basic equanimity and fairness he has displayed for years! I couldn't, JtS couldn't, Ron Davies couldn't, Foolestroupe couldn't, brucie couldn't, dianavan couldn't, Clinton couldn't.. etc.... all for different reasons! I know a couple who could come close... maybe..., but I doubt that the ones I'm thinking of could stand the strain or keep up the pace."

I had assumed that these words were said in haste or perhaps a flush of overenthusiasm: so far no word from the originator. Also no word as yet from Joe, so now I have to take it that he means for me to understand that he thinks me one of the winging troublemakers: I asked him for no help with the 'Toon'.

1) I have been insulted - it is claimed that I do not have the technical knowledge.
2) I have been insulted - it is claimed that I do not have the personality.

I have used the nice polite "I" word instead of the more confronting "D" word, (which was part of the reason for Martoon departing) since I am prepared to give the poster a chance (as I know of nothing in the past that should have alienated us). I am tired of people saying "Don't like the Mudcat? Well start your own then!" OK, then what?.... ;-)

I am tired of being put down by people who just don't know what they are talking about. If anyone who doesn't know me personally in real life and has said such things will forward me the documentary evidence (personal opinions, especially of those who don't know me, are cheap!) to back this claim that I couldn't perform the duties of a Moderator, I will look at it without prejudice. If the information was supplied to them from someone else, I will, of course want to know who from, as I may then want to pursue that original source for defamation.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Some people like to make a big fuss about how difficult things are to do. When I was in the SCA, there was this guy who was doing everything, but complaining endlessly about how he was doing everything, and not enjoying it, and how much hard work he was putting in, etc. We were at a 'Demo' and he was complaining that he didn't enjoy doing the commentary about the fighting bracket on the mike: he didn't like talking on the mike, it was hard work, etc.

Several people stepped forward, and 'convinced' him to have a break. As I was someone who had experience actually doing the fighting, and was a Safety Marshall, etc, the ladies decided I should do it.

In future the only way we could have gotten the mike out of his hands at these events would have been to pry it from his cold dead fingers. Funny, he complained a little less in future .....


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And what about the future of the Mudcat?

QUOTE

   Jophan tried to pull himself together, telling himself that there must be some mistake. But there was nothing else on the roof, just the trapdoor through which he had come, the gold cube, and the old mimeograph. Dazed by the shock of his disappointment, he wandered aimlessly across the top of the Tower.

   As he did so his hand brushed against the handle of the mimeograph, and something like an electric shock coursed through his body. Amazed, he took a firm grip on the handle. A current of some potent force seemed to flow between him and the machine, feeding back and forth from one to the other until Jophan felt every particle of his being suffused with a strange new life. The mimeograph had also changed. There was no difference in its outward appearance, but he knew that the potent force had also taken possession of it. It was subtly changed, as if it had been dead and was now alive. The handle seemed to throb in his hand. Still uncomprehending, Jophan looked down at his own body. His skin was glowing with the same golden radiance he had noticed in the bodies of the Trufans. His limbs were being invested with the same godlike strength.

   As the revelation came to him, there was a sound of golden trumpets in the air, and he heard again the voice of the Spirit of Fandom.

   "Yes, Jophan," it said," you are now a True Fan; and it is yourself that has made you so, as it must be. And now you realize the second great truth -- that this is indeed the Magic Mimeograph, and it will produce the Perfect Fanzine. For--" and now the song of the trumpets filled the air, ringing across Trufandom to the far mountains-- "FOR THE MAGIC MIMEOGRAPH IS THE ONE WITH A TRUE FAN AT THE HANDLE."

   And Jophan found that it was so.....

UNQUOTE

Goodbye!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:59 PM

That is a very nice story gnu. You have set a fine example to the other folks here that are intend at gnawing at each other over basically 'nothing'. It is good to hear of someone helping and to say the least spending time with there ederly mother. You expressed humour at those little fethered creatures who shat upon you. You also expressed your apprecation of the beauty that abounds the outside world. You could have vented at those birds, cussing them with such profanities that would shock the ears of the toughest sailor. You could told your mother not to bug you as you are not physically able and to find herself a handyman to do those chores. You appear to be a good man gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:03 PM

Joe, you're screwed. Face it.

Made a boo-boo. Made a worse boo-boo trying to save face. Gonna make a really, really big boo-boo by pretending that last "You're in charge of what your hubby writes here" boo-boo wasn't actually a boo-boo.

You are SO screwed!
I'm sort of OK with that, because I don't think anybody's currently pissed at me, except maybe JtS... but he hasn't written in giant capital red letters at me yet, so I am not totally screwed. You are.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:06 PM

I just think that CarolC is so full of piss and vinegar that she feels the need for public flogging of someone since her nemesis is no longer present.

Susu's Hubby, my tone almost always mirrrors the tone of the person I am addressing. What you see in me in threads is a reflection of your own tone, or the tone of Martin Gibson, or whomever I am addressing in those threads.

One of the few exceptions to that is my argument with Joe on this thread, which is none of your business. I have met Joe, more than once, in person, I have played music with him, and until this thread, I counted him as a friend. You are a person who just showed up recently, and you think you know all about what has gone on here in the last five years since I joined. Well, you don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:11 PM

Foolestroupe, you have presented a hell of a lot of dialect there. Was your intent to bore the hell out of anyone wishing to read it. If it was, brilliant. Once people are in a stupor of complete monotony, there will to argue is completely diminished. They will in all probability venture of to some other more stimulating thread in the BS and be completely absorbed by it's contents. Thus diminishing any more idiotic posting here, such as I am doing. Bravo Foolestroupe!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:16 PM

Where did my post go?

gnu - you really are in the wars - what with dive bombing robins and careless dental hygenists. Who have you pissed off big time to bring such a punishment down on your head? (literally in the case of the birdie) :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:16 PM

Carolc, Get out of here. Now!! No more nonsense. You have gotten you point across way back around thread 50 or whatever. Marty is gone. Go sing a song, play your squeesbox, do a jig under the moon. Let this nonsense go. Now git!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Queequeg
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:19 PM

carolc, in case you haven't guessed, that post was by me. Now scram!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:34 PM

Jeri,

If I knew how to write this in big red letters I would.

That was very funny!

I'm not mad at you.

I'm not mad at Joe anymore.

Clinton Hammond calling me a "lap dog" broke that spell.

Imagine a 280 pound Newfoundland lap dog curled up on the lap of a five foot one and three quarter inch, nicely proportioned woman.

H'it boggles d' mind h'I tells yee.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:38 PM

Ahh, b'y... true love... an' good on ya... and the maid too!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:52 PM

Carolc, Get out of here. Now!! No more nonsense. You have gotten you point across way back around thread 50 or whatever. Marty is gone. Go sing a song, play your squeesbox, do a jig under the moon. Let this nonsense go. Now git!!

You are consistantly not getting the point, GUEST,Queequeg. At any rate, I think this thread is more like the lancing of a boil than anything else. We don't need Martin back. We need a chance to heal the damage that was inflicted while he was here. Now... go get some sterile bandages and some anticeptic ointment, quick!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:53 PM

"One of the few exceptions to that is my argument with Joe on this thread, which is none of your business."

if it's no one else's bizness, why are you conducting this argument on a public forum rather than private email?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:09 PM

if it's no one else's bizness, why are you conducting this argument on a public forum rather than private email?

Because I don't trust Joe Offer to not discuss the contents of PMs and private e-mails in the open forum, and to not lie about it. So the only way to protect myself from more slanderous accusations is to conduct my argument in the open where everyone can see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:12 PM

'Ow 'bout dem Blue Jays?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:13 PM

A TORONTO FAN? YEAH.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:16 PM

What happened the the weather then?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:25 PM

Climate's what ya expect; weather's what ya get.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:35 PM

Jeez who the heck said that her husband had her ovaries in a garlic press... and what does it matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:59 PM

Has anyone noticed that now Jenny O has the very first post on this thread even before MG's ? Ain't technology grand ??


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 09:25 PM

I used to play softball in Ottawa South, one of the opposing teams called themselves The Nads. Can you guess what their cheer was?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,from the peanut gallery
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 10:34 PM

One of the few exceptions to that is my argument with Joe on this thread, which is none of your business.

CarolC,

By conducting your argument in public, in front of all of us, YOU have made it everybody's business.

Now that Martin is gone, it's eveident that you needed somebody else to get nasty with and Joe's your victim.

The thing is, though, when you were fighting Martin you had a lot of people on your side because of Martin's behaviour. Joe Offer, though, has more friends at Mudcat than you; among the members and even among us guests.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 10:48 PM

NIce try, Peanut Gallery. No cigar. Go troll someone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 10:54 PM

...anyway, I was already fucked before I ever said a word because of what Joe said about me, so I really didn't have anything to lose.

And all I want from Joe is an apology.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 10:56 PM

A few observations from a relative newcomer to this site regarding the "Martin Gibson" affair.

If the PM to Donuel from MG is legitimate I think some inferences can be made from it.
    * the MG persona was totally fictional except for being Jewish   
       and knowledgable about music.
    * his sole purpose at this site (other than some serious
       contributions to the music threads) was to engage posters with   
       socio-political views opposite to those of his created persona.
    * he did this by getting them to respond to his increasingly
       outrageous statements and personal attacks.
    * responding to him served no purpose at all since he didn't hold
       to the beliefs he was championing - if the posters had held
       right wing views he would have assumed a leftist persona.

I believe that this vindicates Joe in his assertion that the ONLY way to combat these trolls is by not responding to them.

There must be some weird subculture of trolls out there in cyberland who get together to boast of their trolling exploits - now if someone with a lot of time on their hands could find it and troll the trolls.

The next time a suspected troll shows up at Mudcat suspicious posters should raise the alarm so that we can at least all be on our guard - forewarned is forearmed.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 10:59 PM

Jeeezuz, Jayzuz or whatever .... This thread is still alive and hot as ever !!!

I know I declared I wasn't going to post again to this thread .. but it ringed a ding and struck my amazement ... I just had to !!   

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:13 AM

With the recent crisis---- (thank you, Max, for being able to resurrect the Cat so soon---I had thought the "Martin Gibson", episode was dead and buried. But it appears that the thread is definitely still here.

Joe has invited comment.   And he has, to my mind, repsonded intemperately to (admittedly partly quite intemperate) criticism on the "Gibson" affair.

Joe--

If you had left your comments at what you said in your 11 June 8:57 and 9:44 posts, fine. But you didn't.

Sorry, you dropped the ball on this one big-time.

"Martin Gibson":

1) wished a Mudcatter's child dead
2) mocked handicapped Mudcatters--more than once
3) regularly called women "c--ts" and "encouraged the violent pack rape of women"--(Freda 11 June 7:37 PM)

For any one of these, he should have been immediately flushed down the toilet back to his home. He should have been tossed off Mudcat immediately and permanently for any one of these, much less all 3.

Tossed off a long time ago.

Not "censored". Banned. Permanently. Immediately. End of his little game. Problem solved.

You made a colossal misjudgment here. I'm disappointed you don't seem to be a big enough man to admit it.

It's your sandbox--you can do what you like--but the Catbox would have been a lot easier to keep clean without "Gibson"'s constant polluting of it.

The crowning irony is that , had you excised this boil from the Mudcat body politic, you would have saved yourself countless headaches and wasted hours. All you had to do was ban him---early.

"The worst thing about trolls is that their 'targets' are most often self-righteous know-it-all whining hypocrites". Well, that's quite a mouthful.

Let me take a wild guess and say that I think you are including me in this rather unsavory crew.

Please specify exactly when I have whined about anything.   I have never been anonymous--in fact the opposite. I have attacked "Gibson" every time he attacked me--(and sometimes when he attacked others)--and never once complained to you about him. I was at all times prepared to continue attacking him--through sarcasm. I can handle my own defense, thank you. Also, proof please, on the hypocrisy charge.

You did not ban him--the easy as well as the best way to deal with him--so he was virtually allowed to run wild. This alienated lots of people--not just me. Some of the best Mudcatters were affected. As I pointed out, Jerry left--I would guess that this might have played a role. Who knows what other possible contributors were repulsed by "Gibson"?

You say it's simple--just don't respond. It's not simple.

People from all over the world post on Mudcat. He attacked people from all over the world. It should have been obvious to you that there is no way you can convince everybody who posts to Mudcat--including various and sundry Guests, over whom nobody has any control--to stop responding. Some of the Guests may have enjoyed the show--"Pass the popcorn" etc, --and would be only too willing to keep it going. Exactly how were you going to prevent Guests from doing just that?

Sorry, you were dead wrong on this issue--and even that would be fine except that you have now attacked those of us who stood up to "Gibson". Nobody expects you to be St. Joe"--but if you attack us who stood up to "Gibson", don't expect meek submission.

You may think there is good in every human. As I recall, you complimented "Gibson" from time to time.

Sorry-- the person behind "Gibson" is a very sick puppy--or close to pure evil--the closest thing to Julius Streicher (remember him?) or possibly even a would-be Hitler. The most charitable interpretation is that he is a despicable game-player.

He needed to be squelched early. Had you done it, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief.

You didn't do it.

By the way, how many times did I ask you to delete remarks about my "lace panties" or any other of his colorful suggestions?

Precisely zero.

Therefore I am also disappointed in you that, without any evidence whatsoever, you assumed that I was so fragile that you had to do this. I am virtually certain I saw everything he said about me-- as I said several times, his attacks reflected on nobody but himself. He was just destroying his own credibility even more. It was pathetic. Fine with me.

You never PM'ed me to even ask if I was bothered by anything aimed at me. I would have immediately answered: No.

Also, nothing he said would begin to approach the 3 items I cited earlier.

You did, however, PM me to ask me to stop responding to him. I complied, several times. Made no difference, for the reasons I've noted. So I came back. You didn't like that. Spare me your "truth, justice and the American way".

Joe, you just fumbled the ball on "Gibson", and, rather than admit it, you attack those of us who were determined not to be cowed by that pathetic excuse for a human. Nobody who defended him- or herself against "Gibson"---which includes such Mudcatters as Big Mick, Jack, Carol, Richard Bridge, Foolestroupe, Don Firth, Dianavan, Ebbie---and the list goes on-------------should be tarred with the brush of "self-righteous know-it-all whining hypocrites". (How subtle)

"Martin" needed to be removed from MC--early--for any of the 3 reasons I cited. If you needed justification from Mudcat policy, how about: "We will not allow Mudcat to be used
as a vehicle for hate infomation and we will delete all racist information as soon as it comes to our attention"?

This could fit both "Gibson"s reaction to honoring Pete Seeger and his remarks on Kwanzaa. (Obviously, it depends on whether you want to be a"strict constructionist" or a liberal interpreter, as in the current struggle over the US judiciary.)

Joe, I'm sorry if you're tired, irritated, and feeling unappreciated. Believe it or not, we all do appreciate all the work you do, and we hope you continue as moderator.

But on this one, you were wrong, pure and simple. It's not the end of the world, though I hope it's the end, or close to it, of this sordid episode.

But you have invited comment. That's mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 01:09 AM

I promise not to post to this thread again if Joe will just listen to reason :>)

Joe said, "Still, Diana, it didn't help that you provoked Martin by attacking his family."

Now Joe, I know that you can't possibly read every post but do you know how long I endured Martin's unprovoked attacks? These attacks from Martin were constant and in response to any comment I ever made on any topic and were highly personal. I didn't have to address him personally, he stalked me and I even had to ask you if it was possible to block PM's from the guy. You didn't respond to that very pointed question. Instead you told me not to respond. How many times do I have to be hit before I fight back?

Well Joe, I confess, I fought back. I fought back by hitting him where it hurts. I did what my daddy told me to do. Daddy said, "Don't go pickin' fights but if someone starts a fight with you, you finish it. And remember there aint no rules."

So what if I said I didn't blame his wife for leaving him. That pales in comparison to what he said to me and about me. For this "sin" you, Joe, have labelled me a self-righteous know-it-all whining hypocrite and claim that I squealed like a stuck pig.

Have you ever said you were sorry for anything in your life or are you too proud to admit that maybe you made a mistake by calling me names? If you are, you are no better than the Martin Gibsons of the world.

I have a few names in mind for you, Joe, but I will refrain because you're the boss but don't ever tell me to turn the other cheek because I'm not a Christian and I don't think thats how to deal with a bully.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peanut Gallery Member #2
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 09:25 AM

Dianavan,   
    It seems someone made a fitting observation of you: "self-righteous know-it-all whining hypocrite"

CarolC,
    From looking at how many posts you have made on this thread alone, I'd say you qualify for this job: "now if someone with a lot of time on their hands could find it and troll the trolls."

Both of you people have been nasty to many, MANY people. This thread does a good job of showing what kind of person you are.

And Joe, at least I think it was Joe, excellent choice on the squealing pig comment! I can't think of anything more appropriate.

Squeal away, Dianavan and CarolC.

PGM#2


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:03 PM

And who said that Martin wouldn't be back ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peanut Gallery Member #2
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:08 PM

Guest 615,

   I am not Martin. I am, however, someone who has seen CarolC and dianavan be less than nice to many people. It's nice to see someone call it as it really is. It gets even better because they go on to carry on and on and ON proving the point.

   No, I am not Martin. Not everyone who disagrees with CarolC or dianavan (or others) is Martin Gibson.

PGM#2


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:18 PM

No - but the two of you think alike. And you defend him.

If you don't like what she has to say ignore her. That's what we were supposed to do to Martin Gibson - right ? If it was good enough for him - then why not for CarolC and Dianavan ? Or are we still trying to keep the women "in their place". "Don't rock the boat girls" "Boys will be boys" ??


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:27 PM

Also - I'll assume that you will admit that Martin was "less than nice" to a lot of people around here. Am I correct? Or is it only the women that stick up for themselves a problem ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peanut Gallery Member #2
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:40 PM

I have not defended anyone here. I simply think that these two women, especailly these two, have done more to keep this thread up and running. Their whining and carrying on only proves Joe's point.

I don't think this is a case of boys will be boys at all. I am a firm believer, however, of what goes around comes around. I have no desire to get into a who is right and who is wrong banter with you or anyone else.

I have bantered with Martin and you won't see me whining about it ad nauseum. I got what I gave. So did they.

I have a life to live. Carry on if you must.

PGM#2


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:41 PM

LOL, Peanut Gallery. If being nice to others was legitimate currency here in the Mudcat, there would never have been a "Martin Gibson" in the first place, and you would never have seen me need to defend myself.

As for your charge that I make attacks on others, if I have ever attacked you, why don't you tell me who you are, and if I was wrong in my treatment of you, I'll apologise. But if you are someone who has stalked me and made gratuitous attacks on me and I responded in self-defence, then too bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:51 PM

 "And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make." 

Lennon/McCartney


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:55 PM

Wolfgang (was) too ready to defend Gobson when Gobson got some flak back (Richard Bridge)

Nonsense, Richard. I know which thread you mean but you have completely misunderstood my motivation for my reaction then. I did not care about MG I did care about the other poster (in another case as well). The MG person after some initial time was just below the level that elicits interest or care in me. He could have posted what he wanted (abuse and all that) about me or others without getting any reaction from me. He has shown often enough that he was not approachable in any menaingful sense. If he posted an interesting link I may have debated the content of the link.

But there are a lot of other posters (actually most of them) I take serious and even care for. And if I see one of these posters going below the level of discussion I prefer (for instance by making a general anti-semitic remark in the context of MG) then I react for I think (until I learn otherwise) that this poster can still be approached by arguments.

So when MG posts 'cunts' a thousand times I do not deem that worth of any reaction. But if you for instance would post it only once I would react.

I did not defend MG I did criticise others for attacks I considered much below their level.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: podman
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 02:21 PM

the existence of this thread is an honorific to the one we knew as Martin Gibson. 'His' existence, 'his' postings, and his ability to elicit responses from those who either should have or did know better exposed characteristics of those posters that they deny. But in short, MG strove to bring out the 'MG-ness' in the rest of us, and to a great degree, MG succeeded.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 02:47 PM

Don Firth's post was a good one. And he is one of the folks I was speaking of in my other contribution to this thread. Here (if the numbers stay put). I found Martin Gibson's posts much harder to ignore when he insulted friends of mine, when I knew his characterizations were pure assasination, based upon no understanding of these individuals, but instead, intended to harm, only to attract (negative) attention to himself. Don, in particular, is one of the smartest, sweetest, most generous of men, a hero in my childhood and continues to be one today. Don held his own with MG, but I hated to see him have to do it. I'd much rather Don be freed up to tell his great stories (are you ever going to publish that book on the Seattle folk scene?) than be distracted by a calculating sociopath. And Martin Gibson, in addition to sullying the names of two perfectly good guitar manufacturers, was/is a sociopath.

I ignored a fair amount of his abused hurled at me, but mostly just stopped participating in any thread on which he established a beachhead. Deckman lobbied hard for people to ignore him, but it IS hard to set an example when it means you're NOT participating--most others who were slugging it out never even noticed.

This thread has gone way astray from the "goodbye" that MG offered at the beginning. I don't plan to waste much more time with it--the bickering and hammering at points best dropped isn't my idea of a good thread.

Thought for the day: on an NPR program this week (in the Dallas area) a writer being interviewed said that email and posts like these are in many ways an ineffective way to communicate. Given the effectiveness of a phone conversation or an in-person conversation, we get only 7% of the intended nuanced information from the written word alone. Expressions, even the micro-variety, transmit so much more to do with intention. Pauses, vocal tones, are the same. Many of my matter-of-fact, no-frills messages here at Mudcat have been misread and responded to angrily by people who brought their own interpretations to what micro-messages I *might* have intended, were I only there to transmit them. They were wrong. One gets tired of continually typing in emoticons to soothe wounded egos or ruffled feathers. It's time for some of you to stop slugging it out and revisiting the same old stuff. Call each other on the phone. Discuss it in a way where you get a more complete message.

I'm glad he's gone, and if he's really gone, he won't be missed. I don't think Little Hawk is MG.

That's my two-cents worth.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:02 PM

"nicely proportioned woman."
Nice euphimisim...

" "Martin Gibson":
1) wished a Mudcatter's child dead
2) mocked handicapped Mudcatters--more than once
3) regularly called women "c--ts" and "encouraged the violent pack rape of women"--(Freda 11 June 7:37 PM)"

So f-n what? It's not like it's real, or important...

"someone who has stalked me"
Who the f--k'd stalk YOU?? I can't imagine wanting to be in the same ROOM as you... I might catch Idiot Whiner from you...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:16 PM

You have been in the same room with me, Clinton, at your favorite pub there in Windsor. We had a very nice time, too... after JtS and I watched your stunning performance at the pub where you had your gig. Maybe that's where you caught your raging case of "Idiot Whiner".


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:26 PM

LOL. Here's what you posted about it here in the Mudcat. How about reposting those pictures. I'd like to steal them for my collection...

Subject: RE: JtS &CarolC: Michigan, Chicago, Ontario
From: ClintonHammond - PM
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 11:03 PM

Well guys, THAT was a bucket and a half of fun! Only my 2nd ever cyber-to-meat-space incursion...

I told ya I'd post a URL to Len Wallaces site and here it is...

http://worldaccordion.tripod.com/index.html

I'll get those pics off the camera and uploaded likley sometime tomorrow!

Well met you 2!

:-)

Oh ya... I forgot... Devilmaster wanted me to send along a "It was very good to meet ya's!"


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:32 PM

Oh how times change eh.... Or to quote the movie, 'That was then, this is now... '

Cause right now, you're coming off like a total wanker...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Janie
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM

Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!! to this whole thread.

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:38 PM

LOL, and you're not, Clinton? Time for a reality check for you, buddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:41 PM

Now there's the pot calling the kettle...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:47 PM

Is that the best you can do, Clinton? Lepus Rex is right about you. You're just not cut out for this level of trolling. Your main man is gone, and you don't seem to be able to stop crying about it. Don't worry, the pain will ease eventually.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:59 PM

Yer not worth me doing better....

Yaaaawn


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 04:00 PM

Thank goodness for that.


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Subject: Leave the Trolls Alone!!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 04:12 PM

You know, you can twist this thing however you want. You can accuse me of lying, if that's your preference - although my ex-wife says I'm compulsively honest and that's what gets me into a lot of trouble. You can argue that some people who attacked Martin did not squeal when he counterattacked. You can argue all sorts of things.

I stepped into this thread to attempt to correct some misconceptions, and I got attacked from all sides. In the process, I may have said some things incorrectly, but what what I said was my perception of the truth. I'm sorry if I said something that was not completely true, but I certainly did not intend to lie to or about anybody. That's not my style.

But that's not the point.

    The point is that a long list of people fought repeatedly with Martin Gibson, despite my repeated requests that they leave him alone so that I could deal with him.


Ron Davies gave you a pretty comprehensive list of the combatants, and he gave you a pretty comprehensive list of the reasons why Martin Gibson was a problem here at Mudcat. Most of the combatants have spoken out in this thread and given their reasons for fighting with Martin. I will say emphatically that their reasons are valid - there is no justification whatsoever for what Martin Gibson has done at Mudcat over the last several months. His conduct has been deplorable. He should never have posted a single message at Mudcat. If I could make him disappear and never come back, I would do it in an instant - but it isn't that easy, and it means giving up a lot of the freedoms we like to have here.

George W. Bush gave a long list of reasons why Saddam Hussein was deplorable. Some of the items on Bush's list were questionable, but most are considered true by almost everyone. Saddam Hussein was indeed deplorable, and many Americans had the impression we could conquer Iraq in two weeks without killing or being killed, and all the liberated Iraqi citizens would live happily ever after as grateful allies of the United States. George Bush and many other Americans also believed that anybody who opposed attacking Iraq was just as deplorable as Saddam himself.

But back to Martin Gibson, who was deplorable in different ways. Our Mudcat combatants are certainly right in condemning Martin Gibson. In an interesting parallel with Mr. Bush, these combatants and many other Mudcatters also believe that anybody who opposed attacking Martin Gibson was just as deplorable as Martin himself. However, they are wrong in thinking that they can defeat any troll, including Martin Gibson, by taking the troll's bait and fighting back. They are also wrong if they think that Mudcat or Joe Offer supported or tolerated Martin Gibson in any way. Martin Gibson started out as a troll, but the continuous counterattacks by self-righteous Mudcatters turned him into a monster. No matter how valid the reasons Mudcatters had for their counterattacks, the fact of the matter is that trolls like Martin thrive on being attacked. They hope to be banned and censored by Websites, so they can find ways around the banning and censorship and prove how clever they are.

As I've said so many times before, the only way we can control people like Martin Gibson is with silence. If Martin comes back, leave him alone. I know there are many good reasons to do battle with Martin, but battling Martin will only make him more of a problem.

Leave the Trolls Alone


And the reason for leaving trolls alone is that attacking them only makes them sronger and more persistent. Attacking trolls is exactly what they want you to do - it's exactly what they crave. All sorts of people have suggested all sorts of things Mudcat should have done to control Martin Gibson - we've tried most of these tactics at one time or another, and found they didn't work. We HAVE found that we desperately need the cooperation of Mudcatters, that we need them to help us by leaving the trolls alone.
THAT is the point.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 04:41 PM

Nice way to avoid personal responsibility, Joe.

My problem with you here in this thread is that you have consistantly refused to treat me like a human being. You have made me responsible for the behavior of a lot of other people, whose behavior I have no control over (the term for that is "scapegoating", by the way). You have lied about and slandered me in numerous posts in this thread. You have even accused me of nefariously manipulating my husband to do my evil bidding for me. I wouldn't care about it if you were a troll. But you are supposedly not a troll. You are supposedly a person who has authority here in the Mudcat. And you were also once my friend. And for those reasons, the way you treat me has importance.

If you tell people that I have done something (like squealing like a stuck pig and complaining about you), because of your position of authority, many of them will believe you, whether it's true or not. The fact that you are not willing to apologise for the way you have behaved shows me that you are not a friend, and that you don't consider me even worthy of being treated like a person.

So that is what, in my opinion, makes you a very poor example as a person of authority in this forum. Effective people acknowlege their mistakes and they correct them. You have not done so. You do not appear to be willing to do so.

One more thing... there is a very big difference between a troll and a bully, and there is also a very big difference in the way these two kinds of behaviors need to be handled. Until you learn the difference between these two things, people like "Martin Gibson" will continue to make your job here much more difficult than it needs to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 04:47 PM

amen!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 04:52 PM

" treat me like a human being"

Act like one, if you want to be treated like one...

Joe... just type the letters... I - m - s - o - r - r - y...

You don't even have to mean it in the least...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 04:52 PM

Sorry, first "amen" is for joe...
This "amen" is for Carol......Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:06 PM

1,000 !!!!

I'm laying early claim to that post now.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:14 PM

OK, Carol. The only things I know about you are that you are a very nice person to be with and deal with in person. I also know that time and time again, you are right in the middle of the nastiest fights that take place here at Mudcat, and that causes a big problem. I don't know why you seem to be driven to do that, because it is not at all like you are in person. You do seem to make a lot of noise when things don't go your way - whether that's "squealing like a stuck pig" is a matter of opinion, I guess.

I also know that I have repeatedly asked you not to fight, and you have continued to do so.

That's all I know, and all I have to say. I'm sorry that I said anything else. I didn't lie, though - I stated my impression. Whether my impression is correct or not, is a matter of opinion. The fact of the matter is that you fight, constantly, and that it causes a big problem here at Mudcat. Exactly what is it you want me to apologize for?

If you stop fighting, I will be satisfied. That's all I want from you, that you be the nice person that you are when people see you face-to-face.

-Joe Offer-



And as for Dianavan, "turning the other cheek" and religious values have nothing to do with anything in this matter. The issue is that fighting with trolls makes matters infinitely worse. Fighting with trolls doesn't work, no matter how valid the justification for fighting may be. Same goes for you, Carol and Ron, and for everybody else.
    I hope I can get by without having to say anything else in this thread. The only point I have to make is that it's time to stop fighting with trolls, as we have requested so often before. I don't care if you call them trolls or bullies - just leave them alone.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peanut Gallery Member #3
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:20 PM

Now just hang on a minute there Joe.. you don't honestly think that anything you might have to say will satisfy CarolC now do you..!

This thread really has way passed the point of the original issue and would be have been better off closed with your final say....but I was willing to bet that before I had even finished typing a reply that CarolC, yet again, would have a come back, and as usual, she confirmed that thought to be correct by posting yet another one of those mindless ramblings. This thread will reach a thousand posts no doubt because of them. Because she just don't know when to stop. No self control, no responsibilty..just ego.
This thread stopped being about Martin Gibson days ago. It's all about CarolC now. In fact it could be argued that it always has been.
Thanks Joe, for yet again, taking the time, to yet again explain, what appears to be an intelligent response to a very tired issue now. If I were you though I would save my energy for something important. Like walking your Dog if you have one.
There is NOTHING in this thread anymore except one woman's Ego trip and her need for attention. If anyone was ever like Martin Gibson's Twin here we have it!
As for being interesting and informative....this thread now ranks ZERO in that department and CarolC is rapidly losing the respect and credibility she may have thought she at some point had.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Peanut Gallery Member #2
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:21 PM

So CarolC,

   Which are you, the troll or the bully? I don't think Joe owes you or anyone else on this thread an apology. Balk all you want. Oh, while I'm thinking of it, I wouldn't be surprised if your husband posted something for you if for no other reason than for you to shut your freaking yap. Good God woman.

PGM#2


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:24 PM

Nearly 9 years ago I joined Mudcat at Sorcha's introduction.
The first reactions I received were that of troll and spammer.

The best way to have one's history be unbelieved or to be accused of spam is to tell the complete and unvarnished truth or show people photographs of what you do. People used to say "don't feed it or it might follow you home".   So I followed mudcat from a distance and posted a couple times a month.

I felt that my predictions for war, bio war and econmomic disaster were certainly not the happiest topics to discuss but necessary.
Inflamatory topics are often mistaken for trollism. The issue of war played out exactly as I had explained as well as other insights made by more gifted writers here. Now only a tanking economy and bio catastrophe remain to occur.

But when inflamatory topics are combined with personal attacks, false accusations and hate rhetoric you have a real troll. MG was real in that respect. In absentia our runner ups now seem to be vieing for the honor of "top troll".

Who shall it be? Hammond, Little Hawk, robomatic etc. ?

don't feed it, it might follow you home.
(then you might have to sue to get rid of it)



PS
...............................................
1   the M Gibson pm to me is actual and verbatum.

2   The proposed lawsuit against MG had grounds to go forward but was never initiated.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:25 PM

"would be have been better off closed with your final say...."

If I were Joe, I'd close this thread, and delete it...

Why leave this turd, floating in the punch-bowl?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: heric
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:30 PM

That was a strange place to put a comma.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM

Ya... it was eh.. I mighta been trying to be 'poetical' or something...

Oh well... worse things happen at sea...

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,from the peanut gallery
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:43 PM

What I've noticed about CarolC is that if you start a thread with a premise she disagrees, particularly about the Middle East, She will call you a troll. If you post something she disagrees with, she will call you a troll. If you get into an argument with her, you are a stalker.

This was happening long before Martin Gibson showed up. The Mudcat archives are littered with people that CarolC wore down and left.

There were times I wondered if CarolC and Martin were the same schizo person. They really seemed to feed off of each other. I'm sure they weren't though. Now that Martin has up and left (goodbye, good riddance) CarolC has turned on Joe Offer.

Joe, you do a good job under very trying circumstances here. Nobody's perfect, but most of us appreciate all that you do.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,peanut gallery #4
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 05:53 PM

Look up almost any thread about the Middle East in the last 5 years. No matter what it starts out being about, it always ends up being about CarolC.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:12 PM

I think you are still trying make me responsible for the behavior of others, Joe. And I don't accept that my behavior here is what is causing your headaches. It certanly isn't what caused the headache of yours known as "Martin Gibson". I ignored him for a very long time, but his bullying didn't stop. "Martin Gibson" stated many times that his entire reason for being here was to break the rules of the Mudcat. This he did quite successfully, without any help from me.

The reason ignoring trolls is the best way to deal with them is because ignoring them deprives them of any reinforcement of the behavior. Trolls are out to get an emotional response from their targets. If the target does not respond emotionally, the troll will lose interest (eventually).

But with bullies, the reinforcements are not the same as with trolls. In the case of "Martin Gibson", the reinforcement came from the behind-the-scenes subculture that he had created, in which he would get virtual "high-fives" for getting in a good one at someone else' expense. And bullies even get reinforcement from being ignored, because they take a non-response as a sign of their victory over the person they are bullying.

In my case, as long as I ignored "Martin's" abuse, it continued and even got worse. At first, I took him to be someone who needed to be "won over" (rather than as a troll), so I tried to respond with kindness to his abuse whenever possible. This didn't produce any results. After a while, I decided that he was a troll, and I didn't respond to his abuse. This didn't work because he was not a troll.

Eventually, after seeing the kinds of things he was saying to people like Art Theime, Wesley S, and Don Firth, I decided to try an experiment. I decided to stand up to him. The thing that tells me I was right about him being a bully and not a troll is that standing up to him did work. Once I started doing that, his attacks on me lessened and I was able to get him to leave me alone.

I agree that there are ways to stand up to a bully like that that are counterproductive. For instance, I think the many "Martin" bashing threads were counterproductive. I did not participate in those. I also think the threads that were for the purpose of trolling for "Martin" were counterproductve. I did not participate in those. And trolling for "Martin" within other kinds of threads was counterproductive. I did not do that. I only responded to his attacks on me (and a few times his attacks on others), and I did it in such a way as to take the fun out of what he was doing, rather than give him satisfaction. And it worked.

I will continue to try to avoid feeding trolls (as I have been doing). This is sometimes made difficult by the fact that it is not always easy to determine whether or not a person is trolling. Clinton, for instance, in this thread. Sometimes I test people a few times as a way of finding out if they are trolling. And if I find that they are, I ignore them (sometimes after saying one or two things that have the effect of neutralizing their attack). And after I do that, they leave me alone.

But telling me (or anyone else) that I must take whatever bullies dish out, even though what they are doing is against the policies of the Mudcat, and not doing anything yourself to enforce the rules against the bullies, is, to be frank, very unfair, and not workable. Whether or not I ever post another thing in the Mudcat, you will still have just as many headaches as you have had lately as long as this kind of double standard is being applied.

I also know that I have repeatedly asked you not to fight, and you have continued to do so.

You have not repeatedly asked me not to fight.

Exactly what is it you want me to apologize for?

I wanted you to apologise for mischaracterizing my behavior. I think you are still mischaracterizing my behavior, but I note that you have implied some kind of apology in there somewhere, and to the extent that you have done that, I accept it.


and CarolC is rapidly losing the respect and credibility she may have thought she at some point had.

This point is completely lost on me Peanut, because I never expected that I had any to begin with.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:23 PM

I keep thinking I'll post my clear, coherent thoughts and resolve all this rancor and sooth everyone---and then I think, "yeah, Bill...sure...you've tried that before.", and I go lie down.

There is this phenomenon of verbally "painting one's self into a corner" until there's no way to back down and just **stop**.....

lordy, lordy..............


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:29 PM

I keep thinking I'll post my clear, coherent thoughts and resolve all this rancor and sooth everyone

That's ok, Bill. I did it for you. Have nice lie down.

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Fed-up Mudcatter
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:30 PM

Give it a rest, guys. This thread represents hundreds of hours of all of you arguing and tearing each other up. The golem is gone. Let the stink of his passing clear.

Carol, stop talking. NOW. Not one more word! You've become your own worst enemy.

Joe, stop talking. It doesn't make things any better.

All of you, go do something constructive for a while. Create something. Go talk to a friend. Sing a song, play an instrument. Do something nice for someone else.

Thank you.


    I think you're right. I'm sorry I got suckered into this.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:42 PM

"Thanks Joe, for yet again, taking the time, to yet again explain, what appears to be an intelligent response to a very tired issue now. If I were you though I would save my energy for something important. Like walking your Dog if you have one.
There is NOTHING in this thread anymore except one woman's Ego trip and her need for attention. If anyone was ever like Martin Gibson's Twin here we have it!"


That's probably one of the most accurate things that I've seen posted about CarolC.

Joe, he's right. You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. We all know that you tried to treat everyone fairly. IN MY FOUR MONTHS OF POSTING HERE (for you CarolC) I've yet to see where there was a double standard applied.

CarolC reminds me of the little old lady that lives down the street. When she comes over, we all pretend to listen intently to whatever it is she decides to ramble on or piss and moan about that particular day. Then when she leaves, we all shake our head and say...poor, poor woman. Bless her heart.




Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:48 PM

Hubster, you are both a troll and a bully. So what you have said is no surprise to me.

GUEST, big letters, I would like to know who you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 06:55 PM

FOR CRISSAKE, LET IT UP!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 07:11 PM

close this tread and let it rest;an if in som 1 wants to run to a paper hanger over nottin let um' just wastin good? money on no goodnic lawyer types    PLEASE LET IT DIE QUIETLY


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 07:14 PM

damn broke my word of honor to myself and posted here when i swore not to


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 07:14 PM

Hey Hub, you been here TWO months and you think I or anyone else gives one sweet fuck what you think? CC has more street cred around here than you will ever have. Little old lady?... too bad your little old lady didn't slap you when your manners or smarts weren't up to snuff. You might have turned out better.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 07:18 PM

Yeah, that's right. I am not going to let this pass. Joe and CC are friends of mine. I'll defend both of them until they work this out... and, they will.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 07:31 PM

May I be so bold as to recap the major points? No, well, I will anyway.

Should all of MG's derogatory posts be deleted? Yes. Why? So that it is clearly shown that this type of behaviour is not welcome at the Café.

Can all of MG's derogatory posts be deleted? No so easy. Why? Because it would take a month of Sundays.

Can some of MG's posts be deleted? Not so easy. Why? Because it would take a month of Sundays. If anyone has a solution as to which posts should be deleted, please post it... and, can you include the post in which he called me racist for no reason? And, what about the post where he...

Should Joe apologize for saying certain 'Cats "squealed like stuck pigs"? Yes. Why? Because. It's not nice.

Should a "certain" (NOT CC) 'Cat apologize to Joe for misquoting him? Yes. Why? Because. It's not nice. AND, IT IS LIBEL (don't get upset with me; misquotation does not compare with simile in a court of law).

You say it's not that simple? BULLSHIT. It IS that simple.

Now, I shall repair to repast and leave you kind folks to sort thins out.

gnight


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 08:00 PM

If one person can post so many times with sentiments that' the rules' say are not allowed, and all the clones are unable to keep up with it, then either the rules need changing or the poster needs banning.

Why have rules that are unenforcable?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 08:02 PM

"Then when she leaves, we all shake our head and say...poor, poor woman."

Now if only Carol would leave so we could get about it...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 08:05 PM

CarolC and Joe. Take some of the good advice that has been given and forget all of this. It's a shame to see 2 good peeple like you guys going at each other. It's not worth the battle,it has become meaningless, it's taken up valuable disk space, it's all history now and it's it's starting to get to others here. The good others such as gnu.

gnu, go and have a couple of alpines buddy. Cool off.

Man, I can't even crack any more jokes about this.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 09:51 PM

This thread is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. I see nice folks that I have met, and sang with, acting like fools. I see the person who is supposed to be the "voice of sanity" acting foolish and looking foolish. Makes me very sad.

I would gladly take Martin back, as disgusting and vile as he was, if it meant the lot of you would quit acting like a bunch of childish morons.

I still love this place. But I am very sad at what you are turning it into.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 09:56 PM

"And he lost the thread and his mind got cluttered
And his words just rolled off down the gutter".(Guy Clark)

Did Martin die and send his ghost to haunt this thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 10:25 PM

Carol and I have had a few go-arounds. Joe and I have had a few go-arounds. Carol has at times torn a strip off my ass. So has Joe. I love both of them. There is nothing good or bad but that thinking makes it so--or whatever the guy said.

Folks, we gotta stop thinking about this stuff. People gotta make peace. Really.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:14 PM

Joe--

In general I agree trolls should be ignored.   I have told several Guests that I don't shadow-box. And that was the end of that.

But...a Mudcat member is not a troll (to be sung to the tune of "A Secretary Is Not A Toy").

And needs different treatment.

"Gibson" should have been banned from Mudcat--early--for the reasons I cited yesterday.. Why should anybody who has done any of the 3, much less all 3, be allowed to ever say anything else on Mudcat--certainly as a member?

When somebody says--and proves over and over--that he has no intention of contributing, just sabotaging, there's no reason he should be free to post any message at all--banning is the only way.

This, as I said, would have eliminated completely the thorny "censorship" question.

The moderator has to take some responsibility for keeping MC a civilized place, which it mostly is. Banning is sometimes necessary. With "Gibson", censorship was needless agony for you.

Why are you so stubborn as to insist that we all just ignore "Gibson?" Didn't you read what I said--we have drop-in Guests all the time, who can, will, and in some cases like to, keep the pot boiling. "Gibson" would have always had a sparring partner-or 3. Didn't you realize that by allowing him free rein, you were discouraging the participation of both members and non-combative non-members?

Maybe if he were banned he would come back--but only to fade into the general miasma of anonymous Guests-- which are much easier to ignore.

He was the opposite of a Mudcat member. Read what he said to Don Firth, to various women, and his wish for the death of the child of a Mudcat member---what more did he have to say to be banned?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:26 PM

Except that if they banned him, they'd have to ban others, and then they'd have to ban everybody... ANd Mudcat'd be a pretty happy, but really quiet place...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Little Engine That Coulda But Didna
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:01 AM

Put it this way, if MG tuned in to this thread, would he be laughing his fool head off?

Methinks he answer to that is:
aye, verily!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:39 AM

It remained important to rebuff Gobson, so that those he wrongly vilified might know that Gobson's behaviour was unacceptable.

I never saw a response to Gobson that fell outside the range (in my view) of permissible response.

Alleging that those attacking Gobson were antisemites or stalkers only tended to appear to support Gobson's own apparent view that any criticism (on whatever ground) of him or Israel or any Jew was antisemitism, and that Gobson was largely free from any effective control whereas those opposed to him were required to fight with thier hands tied behind their back.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:27 AM

I've read a few times that MG should have been banned. Although Joe Offer has given no indication he can't and I'm aware that he can take actions such as temporarily blocking a user, I do wonder whether he has the authority to go as far as to "permanently" ban a user from the site or remove membership.

Sites work differently but I know at the Annexe and folkinfo where an admin can do anything the moderating controls allow, eg. permission is not needed to delete, one would not ban a member - although there may be consultation (in fact there almost certainly would be between all admins), ultimately that final decision would be Pip's alone (or mine alone when they were my sites). Personaly I would be surprised to learn the situation is particularly different here - I'd have guessed Max (who himself can not have been unaware of MG regradless of whether Joe reported the matter or not) would have to be involved in this particular action.

I could be completely wrong but I suspect some of Joe's tangle here stems from this.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:21 AM

I was going to start another thread on the following but I think it would turn into a troll fest so I decided to keep all the (bad) eggs in one basket.:-)

I think some people are getting very confused here. No names no pack drill. I agree wholeheartedly with the people saying 'ignore them and they will go away'. I also agree wholeheartedly with the people saying fight them. How do I reconcile these too seemingly dissimilar points I hear you ask. Easy. In cyber space ignore them. In real life fight them. I know the difference between the two and I am not particulary bright, so surely anyone can differentiate. No? OK - Let me explain.

In cyber space you can never, ever, ever (to the power n) win or loose a fight. There are no winners or losers, only combatants. The only way to avoid the fight it is to stay out. In real life it is easy win or loose a fight. If a bully hits you and you cry he has won. If a bully tries to hit you and you break his nose you have won. Simple.

Perhaps it boils down to the question, do we believe the sticks and stones adage or the mighty pen one? Well, if in real life there is someone coming down the road with a stout cudgel in one direction and someone brandishing a Bic coming the other way I will take my chances with the pen. If, on the other hand, someone wants to cave my skull in by likening me to a piece of anatomy I think I would remain quite unscathed if I chose to ignore him;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 07:03 AM

Ron, you sound like you're making excsuses as to why you did your part to keep the guy going. "He shouldn't have been allowed to continue to force me to post." "Somebody would have replied - it might as well have been me." It didn't work when we were kids, and it doesn't sound logical now. Blaming Max for "not making the bad man go away" is sort of amusing in that it's trying to blame Max for what everyone, including you, did or said in reaction.

When you and others tell him what he should have done, think up a plan in which that's possible and doesn't cause different and probably worse things. I have no doubt I could find my way around a ban. Of course, I'd be more difficult to recognize. If I had a magic button, I would have permanently banned Martin Gibson, but I also would have bounced a bunch of people for at least 48 hours and not let them back in without a cookie. Be glad we don't do that stuff, or at least I don't. Rules of engagement are for everybody, not just the catalyst.

Please - take responsibility for your own part. If you choose to get involved in a fight and start throwing your own punches, you shouldn't ask for a grown-up to break it up when you and 10 other people start getting verbally thrashed by a single 'bully'. As Joe mentioned, it's hard enough to deal with one miscreant and impossible to deal with 11, and as for deleting Martin's posts - there are just too many replies, many of which quote him.

Basically, if people want this sort of thing, it's going to happen again. It's going to happen again because there's a lot of support for trolls here and there's currently a HUGE amoung of hate just begging for a focus. It's only a matter of time before the next wave hits.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Arnold Jackson
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 09:01 AM

there's currently a HUGE amoung of hate just begging for a focus. It's only a matter of time before the next wave hits.

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis, I mean Jeri?

As this thread shows, the "next wave" was unleashed when the king troller left. The latent hatred within Mudcat was repressed when Martin was here. With no more Martin, Carol 'n' Jack 'n' Diana 'n' Ron, etc. began to show themselves for the mongers they are.

Sure Joe has made some mistakes, he's not God, not even the pope, but look at the hatred he's been up against, and I'm not talking about Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,bobad
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:17 AM

Is there a psychologist in the house ?

Perhaps some group psychotherapy can get this issue resolved so that everyone can get on with their lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:32 AM

I'm psychotic. Will that do? Or, maybe there's a psychic in the Café who could become a clone and preclude having to delete posts altogether.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:34 AM

Oops... for those of you who are not psychics, that was me at 10:32AM.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:25 AM

This post is from me. I will verify it when I am able to get in through the front door.

In cyber space you can never, ever, ever (to the power n) win or loose a fight. There are no winners or losers, only combatants. The only way to avoid the fight it is to stay out. In real life it is easy win or loose a fight. If a bully hits you and you cry he has won. If a bully tries to hit you and you break his nose you have won. Simple.

The point is not winning or losing, Dave. On the internet, it's all about behavior. People can substantially effect and/or change the nature of a website by controling behavior. A troll seeks to effect behavior for a small reward... the sense of power he or she feels as a result of making someone respond emotionally.

With a bully, the issue is a much larger one. Especially a bully like "Martin Gibson". With "Martin", the reward was a much bigger one than with trolls. He got his reward from the feeling of power he got from subtantially changing the whole tone and nature of the Mudcat. Rather than allow the Mudcat to be what it is naturally, on its own, he stated many times his intention to make it over into something he wanted it to be. And he stated many times that he intended to be the driving force and major power figure within the Mudcat. Most of his behaviors supported those declarations.

The object is to find ways to reduce and/or eliminate the behavior. Egging "Martin" on increased his destructive behaviors. Trolling for "Martin" increased his behaviors. Acting hurt by what he said increased his behaviors.

The only thing that could decrease his destructive behaviors was to respond in ways that reduced his ability to feel powerful in the Mudcat. When I did that, it worked.

The reason it was important from my perspective to want his behavior reduced and/or eliminated is because there are times and situations when allowing a bully like "Martin" to abuse people has the potential to be just as devasataing to someone in their 3D life as if the bully hit them over the head with a tire iron. I saw such behavior from "Martin" on several occasions (toward other people, not myself), and that was what made me decide to stand up to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:55 AM

Just looked in to say hello. Good to see you are all still happy.
Just a thought - why not go and listen to some music, have sex, grab a concert, walk in the park, drink in a bar, have sex, I said sex twice because its my favourite...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:57 AM

I've been a Mudcatter for a number of years. I'd like to think that I'm well thought of here. But I've recently taken on the name of 615 - last Wednesdays date - so that I can still talk issues in the BS section. If no one knows my gender - they can't make jokes about my genitalia. If they don't know if I have a family - then they can't say anything nasty about them - if they exist.

This is partially due to Martin. But it's also due to the fact that if another Martin comes along that I don't think anything will be done about it. So in the future I'll be "615". If someone has a problem with the ideas I express - that's fine. But I'm not giving anyone - trolls or moderators - the ammunition they need to abuse me.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:59 AM

Mudcatters cannot have sex, or even think about it because they are way too old and past it....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:12 PM

There is a song on country radio currently - something to the effect of "I'm not as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was".


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,From the bleachers
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:31 PM

Is this the same CarolC who has been swopping insults with Clinton Hammond that is advocating an adult approach to dealing with trolls? She also seems to imply that it was her standing up to MG that drove him away, what an ego and what a short memory.
FTB


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:37 PM

From the Bleachers - She never said that at all. Stop putting words in her mouth.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:11 PM

All of this fighting about fighting.

Joe, why don't you put everyone out of their misery and close this thread?

SRS (brown letters of yesterday, but clearly that message didn't get through to anyone)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:12 PM

The GUEST,CarolC post at 17 Jun 05 - 11:25 AM was from me.

GUEST, bleachers, I don't think it's productive to automatically assume someone is trolling just because they have flamed me a few times. Maybe Clinton is genuinely angry with me. Maybe he's just an asshole. Who knows? But maybe he really is trolling. So I have to give him a chance to show me what he is really doing before I determine that he is trolling. And then once I have done that, I can adjust my posts accordingly. It's pretty obvious to me at this point that he is trolling (or maybe he's just an asshole). Either way, I have been ignoring him since my last post to him on 16 Jun 05 - 04:00 PM (that was yesterday afternoon).


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: dianavan
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:18 PM

Guest, Arnold Jackson - I do not hate Martin or Joe or Max or anyone else. Calling me a monger reveals more about yourself than it does about me.

Joe - I really appreciate the tone of your last post. Thank-you.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:19 PM

Oops. I didn't see your bit about me thinking I drove "Martin" away, bleachers. No, I did not drive him away. I just was mostly successful in getting him to let up on me. As I said, it was an experiment. I wanted to see if it would work. It did.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:24 PM

"It's pretty obvious to me at this point that he is trolling (or maybe he's just an asshole)"

Just relating to you on your own level carol....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:43 PM

Clinton - You've told us over and over again that the best way to handles unpleasent posters is to just walk away - no response whatsoever. If that's true why are you here ? If it's good advise why don't you take it ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Ogden Trash
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:51 PM

(Looks like troll AND asshole to me.)

Little Willie, dressed in sashes
Fell in the fire and burned to ashes.
Though the room is growing chilly,
I haven't the heart to poke poor Willie.......


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:13 PM

"is to just walk away"

Where have I said that?!?!?!

LOL

Carol is so fun to wind up.. she gets her knickers all knotted over nothing, and spews and fumes and stamps and stomps... how can you NOT enjoy watching that?!?!?!?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Kim C
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM

"I believe that this vindicates Joe in his assertion that the ONLY way to combat these trolls is by not responding to them."

Which is why this thread now has over 700 posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:56 PM

come,come now let it go will ya,lets all go back to talkin,cars or songs or trains or moma rand over by a damn ole pick up truck or what ever.enough is enough and the fun goes out,and evrey one starts geting mad for no real reason,kiss and makeup,lets move on[see them thar moutians over thar im gona clim them thar moutians ya,ll comin]


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wolfgang
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:06 PM

615,

do you know the Rumpelstiltskin story? "If no one knows my name they have no power over me". That's magical thinking which was out of time very long ago. Oh, I forgot, since you are '615' now nothing can touch you any more.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: LilyFestre
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM

Guest 11:55,

    I did 3 of the 5 things on your list....I don't really like to hang out in the bars, so that one is out and ummmm...the concert is tomorrow night...........

Let me say that your suggestions beat the heck out of worrying about who said what to who.......

*smirk*

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: DougR
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 08:01 PM

I go with Mick on this one. I'm amazed at some of the things I have read in this thread from people that I have bantered with for years, but always with a civil tone. I share Kim's amazement, too, that this thread has already grown to about half of the posts on Amos's thread on the Bush Administration. His thread began, I believe, in September 2004 and has taken ten months to reach a bit over 1,200 posts. Martin has been gone less than a week, if memory serves me, and this thread has reached over 700.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 09:07 PM

"Gibson" was the source of a lot of problems while he was here, and there were 3 items he was responsible for, which I have noted earlier and which are completely inexcusable. Any one of them should have caused his expulsion. There is now, as you should know--it's no mystery-- a strong difference of opinion on how to deal, not with trolls in general, but with a member who is in fact just a glorified troll. Again, I think everybody realizes the way to deal with trolls in general is to ignore them but a Mudcat member who turns out to be a troll needs different treatment, in my view. Your mileage may vary.

Jeri--

"Making excuses"--not likely. Try not to read into a post more than is there.

"Gibson" always had more than enough sparring partners,-- by no means just 'Catters--including during the month-plus that I was not one (not to mention the time before I started posting). By the way, I do not apologize in the least for defending myself (with sarcasm), nor does anybody else need to apologize for standing up to him. In fact I got kudos from some 'Catters for standing up to him, while not joining him in the gutter.

He should have been banned. We cannot ban anybody. Joe can.

It's also patently absurd to say that if "Gibson" were banned, everybody would be banned. In fact, it might have a salutary effect on some others (obviously not aimed at you). And it may be needed again.

As you should know, he was all over the 'Cat.

There is no reason to let sociopaths rule, even on the wild wild Net.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: DougR
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 09:48 PM

Ron Davis: and your diagnosis of MG is based on your professional opinion?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:38 PM

Gibson was not the source of 'a lot' of problems on the 'cat. He was an illustrator of those problems.

Originally, before some of his truly atrocious personal references, I took him to be a sort of self-elected Lenny Bruce. His vituperation lost some of their pungency due to the readiness and, excuse the word, liberal application of his blather on all and sundry. It was reminiscent of a National Lampoon column where the supposedly witty host is replaced with Tourette's sufferers.

MG was not entirely without logical thought. Indeed, he originated several threads with cogent quotations. However, he was often a fomenter and he wrote some mean nasty stuff directed at people he didn't agree with, and he interjected low-blow comments that were usually devoid of meaningful content that would advance the thread.

Nevertheless, the truth that has often been stated in those threads, and occasionally mentioned in this one, is that all one had to do was ignore him and the others of his ilk, and move on.

In other words, MG offered mudcatters the opportunity to prove they were better than him. An opportunity they did not take.

The incredible size of this thread seals the deal. I recently re-watched "Life of Brian" and nothing rings truer to this moment than the disciples sitting around a table debating their call to take action as Brian is being crucified. Nothing can get 'em away from the table as they debate the need to anser a call to action.

This thread shows that MG was not the problem, he was a mirror of the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: annamill
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 02:25 PM

Gee, now I miss Martin! From what I read here, I guess we really need him! Come back Martin, please!!

Love, Annamill (withtonguefirmlypressedincheek)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 12:07 AM

CarolC posted:

"You have never experienced the death of a child, nor do you have any obvious physical handicaps or long-term life threatening illnesses. In fact, from what I saw when I met you, you looked to be one very fortunate individual. So I wouldn't expect you do know how it feels to be in the shoes of the people he did hurt."

Good God WOMAN! WE HAVE ALL HAD TRAGEDIES IN OUR LIVES! That is life. So sad that you get offended so easily, especially if you KNOW that someone is trying to get a rise out of you. Maybe it is just your pathetic way of getting attention. As we say in Texas, BLESS YOUR HEART! Then you post...

"GUEST, bleachers, I don't think it's productive to automatically assume someone is trolling just because they have flamed me a few times. Maybe Clinton is genuinely angry with me. Maybe he's just an asshole. Who knows? But maybe he really is trolling. So I have to give him a chance to show me what he is really doing before I determine that he is trolling. And then once I have done that, I can adjust my posts accordingly. It's pretty obvious to me at this point that he is trolling (or maybe he's just an asshole). Either way, I have been ignoring him since my last post to him on 16 Jun 05 - 04:00 PM (that was yesterday afternoon)."

So let me get this straight...you can ignore Clinton but MG you can't?

As for this comment to Hubby...
"One of the few exceptions to that is my argument with Joe on this thread, which is none of your business. I have met Joe, more than once, in person, I have played music with him, and until this thread, I counted him as a friend."

Why did you feel it necessary to state, "which is none of your business" do you think that adds more weight to your comment? Do you think anyone really cares? Evidently you chose to make it his business.

So I suggest that you get some consistency and either always post to those who offend you or ignore them, but either way… QUIT WHINING! IT IS GETTING OLD! I don't care if you have been a member for several years, whereas Hubby and I have been here for a couple of months, BIG DEAL!

Susu

P.S. Say whatever vile thing you can come up with, I promise I won't get offended.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 12:57 AM

Susu, I haven't bothered to read your post, just to note that you were the one who walked back into this fireworks stand carring a lit match.

Let this stupid thread drop off of the page, will you! All of you! You're eating yourselves alive in here.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:38 AM

Maggie, shut up and mind your own business.

Susu, first of all, I would like to point out the fact that I STOPPED posting to this thread THREE DAYS ago. YOU are the one who brought it back to life.

Secondly, I was not talking about myself when I said what I did about what "MG" did to the person who experienced the death of a child.

Here's what happened. A Mudcatter, one for whom I have a tremendous amount of respect as a human being and as a good man said the following to "Martin Gibson"...

On December 18th of 2000 my wife and I held my 5 day old son in my arms while the nurses disconnected him from the life support "miracles" that kept him alive. And I felt no guilt.

Six weeks later I watched my Mother die of a brain tumor. I was relieved that she had effective paperwork in place so that the doctor and nurses wouldn't keep her alive beyond the hour that God called her home.

I pray you never have the same experiences. I really do pray for you Martin.

Because when that time comes you won't be looking for curse words. You'll find a dark quiet corner and try to be alone with your God and your soul and you'll pray - "Dear God - take my loved one now. Don't let them suffer another minute."

Trust me Martin - that's what you'll do.


"Martin's" response was, "Maybe you should have taken less drugs".

Another Mudcatter, a lifelong professional musician who is well loved by many, who has Multiple Sclerosis, is no longer able to do the thing he loves most... play music, and who is able to find some solace from all of this by talking about music here in the Mudct with like-minded people, was being taunted by "Martin Gibson", who was making fun of the fact that this Mudcatter's Multiple Sclerosis was preventing him from being able to play music. This, along with some other kinds of non-specific abuse.

There is a Mudcatter who uses a wheelchair because he does not have very good use of his legs due to polio when he was younger. This Mudcatter is a very capable person who has had many fine accomplishments in his life. "Martin Gibson" made fun of this Mudcatter many times by making references to his being incontinent (not able to urinate on his own, in case you don't know what "incontinent" means). Now this Mudcatter is not incontinent, but even if he were, being incontinent due to paralysis is not something people ought to be making fun of (or do you disagree?).

NOW... maybe you can just sit back and laugh along with "Martin Gibson", or maybe just not bother to do anything about it while others laugh. I chose not to do this. I chose to stand up to that kind of cruelty. I have no regrets.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:56 AM

Let it Be
The Beatles (Lennon/McCartney)

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is
Still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be. Yeah
There will be an answer, let it be.

And when the night is cloudy,
There is still a light that shines on me,
Shine on until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be,
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 12:32 PM

Hehehe


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 01:31 PM

I'm sorry about that last post, the devil made me do it.

Seriously folks, I have finally realized that I need help. I thought about a psychiatrist or counselling or a psychologist but decided it would be much wiser to convert to Christianity. Thats right, folks, I have become a Born Again Christian.

I hope you will find it in your hearts to forgive me.

I am sending the vast fortunes I have made from my WalMart stock to the PLO in hopes that I will find forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord. Never again will I engage in racist stereotypes. I am learning to listen to women and realize that they are not all bimbos. I would especially like Carol C. to forgive me so that we can move on in our lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 01:39 PM

I bet bucks to donuts that the above post was NOT written by Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 01:50 PM

You would win, brucie. Neither of the last two posts were from Martin.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 03:04 PM

Its obviously a joke.

Good to know that Big Mick will, in the future, tell us when someone is posing as a Mudcat member or even a guest for that matter.

Keep up the good work, Big Mick.

I always knew that "big brother" was watching over us.

Too bad he wasn't as diligent in regards to MG.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 03:08 PM

In this thread, posts appear to be in chronological order after

519        el_punkoid_nouveau        13 Jun 05 - 08:26 AM        Page11


The first number is where the post appears now in the header list of posts.

The 20 immediately preceding that one sort to:

511        Jack the Sailor        12 Jun 05 - 08:12 PM        Page11
490        GUEST,Sleepless Dad        12 Jun 05 - 08:13 PM        Page10
491        Jack the Sailor        12 Jun 05 - 08:14 PM        Page10
492        brucie        12 Jun 05 - 08:21 PM        Page10
493        Jack the Sailor        12 Jun 05 - 08:23 PM        Page10
494        brucie        12 Jun 05 - 08:33 PM        Page10
495        gnu        12 Jun 05 - 08:40 PM        Page10
496        Jack the Sailor        12 Jun 05 - 08:46 PM        Page10
502        GUEST,...        12 Jun 05 - 08:53 PM        Page11
497        brucie        12 Jun 05 - 08:57 PM        Page10
487        gnu        12 Jun 05 - 09:06 PM        Page10
512        ClintonHammond        12 Jun 05 - 09:23 PM        Page11
513        Jack the Sailor        12 Jun 05 - 09:26 PM        Page11
503        Joe Offer        13 Jun 05 - 02:36 AM        Page11
515        Sttaw Legend        13 Jun 05 - 04:03 AM        Page11
516        flamenco ted        13 Jun 05 - 04:32 AM        Page11
517        John O'Lennaine        13 Jun 05 - 05:56 AM        Page11
504        GUEST,Mr Red        13 Jun 05 - 06:35 AM        Page11
518        gnu        13 Jun 05 - 07:22 AM        Page11
514        GUEST        13 Jun 05 - 07:35 AM        Page11

The amount of disorder prior to the above 20 posts is pretty much the same for all earlier posts.

Since the entire list is about 17 pages in Word, I won't post it all; but the first 20 posts of the thread might help for those who need to figure out how this all got started:

2        Martin Gibson        10 Jun 05 - 07:50 PM        Page01
6        Jerry Rasmussen        10 Jun 05 - 08:07 PM        Page01
7        Foolestroupe        10 Jun 05 - 08:11 PM        Page01
8        GUEST        10 Jun 05 - 08:17 PM        Page01
3        GUEST,Sleepless Dad        10 Jun 05 - 08:21 PM        Page01
9        sixtieschick        10 Jun 05 - 08:22 PM        Page01
4        DougR        10 Jun 05 - 08:24 PM        Page01
5        Bobert        10 Jun 05 - 08:28 PM        Page01
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM

"is not something people ought to be making fun of"

Everything can be laughed at, if you're mentally and emotionally healthy enough... and I mean everything...

If you can't laugh at it, you're taking it too seriously...

This thread for example is a laugh riot!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:22 PM

Nobody should be expected to be a perfect picture of emotional and mental health when they are under extreme stress. Not only is that expectation completely unrealistic, it is also cruel.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:54 PM

It's a cruel world... Learn to live with it or find the door...

Your indignation on behalf of others is a joke


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:10 PM

We all have to take responsibility for our decisions and our actions (and inactions). I am willing to take responsibility for mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:16 PM

I don't find the image of someone who has no legs or someone who is mentally disabled to be the substance for jokes.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:31 PM

Clinton - It may be a cruel world but most of us rise above it. What has happened in your life that has left you so cold and imbittered? Your negativity is your own worst enemy. Only a saddist laughs at another's pain. Try laughing at your own pain.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:42 PM

The point is not winning or losing, Dave.

Oh yes? Prove me wrong by not trying to win the point, Carol;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:43 PM

I do laugh at my own pain... One has to, otherwise it 'gets you'


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:46 PM

What point, Dave?

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:05 PM

Why don't you tell us what the source of your pain is, Clintion, and we can all laugh at that for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:08 PM

You are

:-p


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:08 PM

And most of us are already laughing at you


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:16 PM

Oooohhh... CUT to the quick!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 08:08 PM

The point is, Clinton, if you tell us what is causing you pain; we can then ridicule your suffering on the world-wide web. C'mon, be a big boy and tell us what it is.

If you won't tell us then it is obvious that you do not understand why so many were offended by Martin's comments. If its good enough for others, it should be good enough for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 08:59 PM

No - Clinton - I don't think that "Everything can be laughed at". I don't think the death of a five day old baby is funny. And since it was MY five day old son - Patrick Tate Smith - born on December 13th at five pounds 10 ounces- that was the subject of the joke I fail to see the humor in it. I find it interesting that you do.

So here's something you can laugh at. If I ever get the chance to meet Martin Gibson in person I will give him a poke in the nose and a broken finger on his left hand. And since you find all of this halarious I promise the same treatment for you too.

Now most of you reading this may think that I have just made a threat of bodily harm. I HAVE NOT. Only those of you with a highly developed sense of humor like Clinton will realize that I'm only talking about "Three Stooges" type slapstick. You know - the funny "HAHA" jokes when no one really gets hurt. The pie in the face type stuff. Clinton knows what I mean. Because Clinton knows that EVERYTHING is fodder for a joke.

Jeez - I'm laughing so hard I can hardly stand it. Clinton - I'll bet you are too. No offense intended - I didn't mean it. This has all been a big joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 12:55 AM

Okay, I have been called out, and rightly so, but let me say this...

Carol tends to come across to me as someone who sends invites to her pity party and then can't understand why no one RSVP's.

I think if you are going to get indignant on behalf of others, then at least help the newbies to understand you are being altruistic (that means unselfish in case you don't know what that means CarolC)

Now that being said, I didn't post for a couple of days because everytime I tried, my computer stated that "the page could not be displayed", so when I was finally able to post it I guess 3 days went by, I didn't realize there was a time limit on when you could respond to some elses post on here, guess I still have much to learn about 'Cat' etiquette.

I could sit here and tell everyone about all the tragedies I have had in MY life but I don't air that kind of stuff to prove a point. Suffice it to say that I have had MANY, some of which are too gruesome for you people to imagine. I try to take each experience and turn it into something positive. But I digress, I DO NOT think that it is okay for someone to make fun of people in the manner in which you discribed CarolC, and (not that you would believe it) my heart goes out to WS for his loss.

But hey it doesn't matter, according to some Hubby and I are not real anyway so who cares right? Susu


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:12 AM

Susu,

CarolC and I have had as many run-ins as you and I (but it took Carol and me two years to reach that number. IMO, she is a highly intelligent, caring and kind individual. I think in your own way you are too. It's time to bury the hetchet--but not in each other.

Bruce m


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:58 AM

The point that isn't winning or losing, of course, Carol.

Try and keep up...

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:25 AM

Can i have the last word?

Kangaroo!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:27 AM

OK, wld.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 06:37 AM

I think if you are going to get indignant on behalf of others, then at least help the newbies to understand you are being altruistic (that means unselfish in case you don't know what that means CarolC)


Ok, Susu. Here's a little tip for the newbies...

Before jumping in with sweeping condemnations about things that you are not familiar with the specifics of... take the time to find out. Don't assume.


Dave the Gnome...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:18 AM

kangaroo!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:29 AM

word


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:35 AM

Koala Bear,

You know there is a way to turn this Thread into Mudcat funds.
We could all submit a date that the Thread will eventually end at the cost of say 2 dollars per person (adjust currency as required) then contribute those funds to Mudcat and whoever gets the date right will be rewarded by receiving a Mudcat Knighthood or Dameship for Life..lol or whatever the heck they call that stuff or a Mudcat teeshirt if there is enough money, which by the looks of the continuing intrest in this Thread there should be plenty!

10 days after he has gone....(and to play around with a Led Zepplin Album title)..'The smell remains the same'

A new dis ease has been discovered "Gibsonitis" a virus that gets under the skin and is sadly very catching it would seem.

LOVE to you all.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:36 AM

word


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:08 AM

supercalafragilisticexpalidocious


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:26 AM

WORD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:32 AM

BIRD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:37 AM

MOOSE









BM your a show off I can't do those scrolly things...:>(


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:58 AM

WORD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 09:11 AM

Elephant







you really are pushing my Technical disadvantage button BM...getting fancy now eh! I have to up the 'WORD' anti...right then...:>)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 09:32 AM

WORD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 09:42 AM

According to my concise Oxford, the last word is "zymurgy" - a branch of applied chemistry dealing with the use of fermentation in brewing. How suitable.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 09:46 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 09:51 AM

My Random House dictonary actually has "ZZZ" for it's last word. It says it represent the sound of a person snoring.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:01 AM

Dermatoglyphics   




Your mocking my technical difficulties Mick dear aren't you, you are finding some sick pleasure in this aren't you......pay back is not pleasant coming at you from a Glasgow Girl...continue at your own peril Sir:>)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:13 AM

You want word, you GOT word:

ACETYL­SERYL­TYROSYL­SERYL­ISO­LEUCYL­THREONYL­SERYL­PROLYL­SERYL­GLUTAMINYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­VALYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­LEUCYL­SERYL­SERYL­VALYL­TRYPTOPHYL­ALANYL­ASPARTYL­PROLYL­ISOLEUCYL­GLUTAMYL­LEUCYL­LEUCYL­ASPARAGINYL­VALYL­CYSTEINYL­THREONYL­SERYL­SERYL­LEUCYL­GLYCYL­ASPARAGINYL­GLUTAMINYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­GLUTAMINYL­THREONYL­GLUTAMINYL­GLUTAMINYL­ALANYL­ARGINYL­THREONYL­THREONYL­GLUTAMINYL­VALYL­GLUTAMINYL­GLUTAMINYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­SERYL­GLUTAMINYL­VALYL­TRYPTOPHYL­LYSYL­PROLYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­PROLYL­GLUTAMINYL­SERYL­THREONYL­VALYL­ARGINYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­PROLYL­GLYCYL­ASPARTYL­VALYL­TYROSYL­LYSYL­VALYL­TYROSYL­ARGINYL­TYROSYL­ASPARAGINYL­ALANYL­VALYL­LEUCYL­ASPARTYL­PROLYL­LEUCYL­ISOLEUCYL­THREONYL­ALANYL­LEUCYL­LEUCYL­GLYCYL­THREONYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­ASPARTYL­THREONYL­ARGINYL­ASPARAGINYL­ARGINYL­ISOLEUCYL­ISOLEUCYL­GLUTAMYL­VALYL­GLUTAMYL­ASPARAGINYL­GLUTAMINYL­GLUTAMINYL­SERYL­PROLYL­THREONYL­THREONYL­ALANYL­GLUTAMYL­THREONYL­LEUCYL­ASPARTYL­ALANYL­THREONYL­ARGINYL­ARGINYL­VALYL­ASPARTYL­ASPARTYL­ALANYL­THREONYL­VALYL­ALANYL­ISOLEUCYL­ARGINYL­SERYL­ALANYL­ASPARAGINYL­ISOLEUCYL­ASPARAGINYL­LEUCYL­VALYL­ASPARAGINYL­GLUTAMYL­LEUCYL­VALYL­ARGINYL­GLYCYL­THREONYL­GLYCYL­LEUCYL­TYROSYL­ASPARAGINYL­GLUTAMINYL­ASPARAGINYL­THREONYL­PHENYL­ALANYL­GLUTAMYL­SERYL­METHIONYL­SERYL­GLYCYL­LEUCYL­VALYL­TRYPTOPHYL­THREONYL­SERYL­ALANYL­PROLYL­ALANYL­SERINE

Pardon me if I don't check it for misspelling.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:15 AM

First..I can't believe this thread. Glad I haven't been around. Talk about your much ado about nothing................

But it's come around I see to something far more entertaining!!

SO WES........

See what Random House has to say about

BBBRRRRAAAAWWWWMMMMPPP

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:23 AM

Spaw - Sorry - It wasn't there. The closest word I could find was "Brambly" - of or pertaining to brambles.

The countdown to 800 begins.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:34 AM

FLATULENCE


Just an aside Spaw ma Dear..this may help: helping you and those who are near and dear



Love
Jude

ps: BM...I am watching you,
Bruce, is that REALLY a word..good grief!!:>)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:42 AM

zyzygy

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:54 AM

zyzzogeton


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:01 AM

as Bill D gets in the last word, thread slowly fades to nothingness as everyone realizes there is simply no where else to go, in spite of......


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:05 AM

...in spite of the fact that Zz - a term for Ginger would come after zyzzogeton.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:15 AM

Well Alba from one Glaswegian to another, spoilsport. Why shell out money for this ass muffler and spoil the whole point of a good fart, mind you the old SBD [silent but deadly] can be fun too. You can see people looking round thinking 'I wonder what dirty smelly bugger did that?' the only difficulty is the farter keeping a straight face, so the fartee remains mystified [and gassified] Another thing, the ad you linked to says that people let off 14 times a day, what a load of beginners, not to mention rank bloody amateurs, 14 times an hour more like, 'a day; jesus keefartingrist!!'
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:18 AM

Is this thread still going?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:18 AM

I don't believe it...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:18 AM

Ha!
800


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:21 AM

"Send in the clones - don't bother - they're here "


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:33 AM

Rofl...Giok,

Aye where er ye be let yir wind blaw free.
Oh aye silent but deadly they are the best/worst.
14 times a day does indeed seem to set the bar rather low.
Especially if one's diet consists of a large Fish Supper and 2 bottles of Irn Bru..or worse a large Vindaloo and two bottle of Irn Bru. LOL
Jings,cribbins and help ma boab am nearly greetin laughing so a um.


Love
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:39 AM

There is a 900 in this.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:47 AM

Here it is:

900


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 12:51 PM

CM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:20 PM

CarolC said,
"Before jumping in with sweeping condemnations about things that you are not familiar with the specifics of... take the time to find out. Don't assume."

Are you implying that I should have tried to go through EVERY post that MG put on here to find out whether you are complaining about a comment directed to you or someone else? Besides, how would I have even known to do that? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Obviously, YOU spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME on Mudcat. So why not just be a little clearer like I asked in the first place?

Take that however you wish. At this point I really don't care.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:37 PM

Just a reminder, I've pre-claimed 1,000 . Sorry but it will be mine.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:39 PM

_
M


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:45 PM

SuSu - You wouldn't have to read every post of MG's to see what type of nasty person he was. Perhaps one in twenty or even one in fifty would have shown you what we are talking about IF you had wanted to see it. Why didn't you want to see Martins offensive posts ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:00 PM

Here you go. Better get some antacids before you start reading some of this. And maybe a barf bucket.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:09 PM

someone please close this thread enough is enough,and yes likly was just anoth pathtic face of mg,lrt him rest in peace and go on with things.hell i think i will go start a thread about trains.bye now and god bless all
    And what would happen to Joe Offer if he were to close a thread that's so close to 1,000 messages? It might give a whole new dimension to the meaning of the term "drawn and quartered" (a fate with which I have already met in this thread...)
    -Joe Offer, fearfully-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:28 PM

I'm with you, jpk.

"Let the Midnight Special . . . ".


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:36 PM

Zugzwang: A German term which means "compulsion to move," it is an endgame situation in which a player would prefer to pass rather than make a move because all of his possible moves lead to deterioration of his position.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:12 PM

Are you implying that I should have tried to go through EVERY post that MG put on here to find out whether you are complaining about a comment directed to you or someone else? Besides, how would I have even known to do that? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Obviously, YOU spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME on Mudcat. So why not just be a little clearer like I asked in the first place?z

Not at all Susu (btw, you come across to me as an incredibly self-righteous and ignorant person, and a lazy thinker. I bet that's not what you're really like... shall I assume my impressions based only on words on a screen are correct?). However, had you at least read my posts in this thread, you would have seen that I mentioned at least two, possibly more times that I was not refering to myself when I mentioned the thing about the baby.

Alternatively, you could have asked me if that was what I was saying, either here in this thread, or in a PM.

But you are nuts if you think I'm going to send all of my posts to you for approval before I post them, just to make sure that you haven't (due to lazy thinking) made a wrong assumption about what I meant by what I said.

Nor will I announce my altruistic intentions for your benefit when I post. Perhaps you like to brag about your altruistic acts, but I prefer to just do them and not advertise them.

You can continue to make assumptions about me based only on some of my posts, but you will only confirm my initial impressions of you if you do.

BTW, I have never posted anything to the Mudcat for the purpose of seeking sympathy or pity. I posted a thread just after my mother died. Not for sympathy, but for the company of people I regarded as friends during a stressful experience. Many of them offered sympathy, and I appreciate that. It's one of the things I like about the Mudcat. And once I posted a thread asking for virtual hugs just because I needed them.

I have sometimes mentioned certain problems I experience or have experienced, not for the purpose of getting any sympathy, but for the purpose of showing other people who were experiencing the same or similar problems that they were not alone. If your life has really been as difficult as you say it has been, you will know how helpful it is to know one is not alone with a particular kind of problem. And sometimes I have mentioned problems as a way of illustrating certain points I wanted to make, for instance the harmfull effects on humans of polluting the environment.

And I have also posted threads asking for information from people in the know about problems I have experienced in order to help me make important decisions about what to do about them.

Anything else you have seen from me in the Mudcat that YOU have interepreted as a sympathy ploy is just your own projection onto me of what you want to believe about me.

And I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you about which one of us has had the more difficult life. You can have that designation if you want it (regardless of whether or not it is true). And then we can all have a big old pity party for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:18 PM

word


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Word
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:20 PM

It's too late the avoid that "pissing contest". . . both of you are soaked.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:35 PM

WORD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:59 PM

You have got to be kidding....it is a mere 10 days after Martin's farewell and you people are STILL bitching, moaning and bickering with one another to the tune of 817 posts. Some of you REALLY need to find a hobby besides beating dead horses.

SHEESH.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:30 PM

http://dragon.stack.nl/~nushae/images/deadhorse.gif

'Forbidden HTML tag'?   How limp...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 11:50 PM

dead horse


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:11 AM

WORD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:14 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:19 AM

Our html effects don't show up in Firefox. Ah well...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 07:48 AM

"Send in the clones - don't bother - they're here "

Hehehe...which is precisely why the thread is headed towards 1000 and has gotten so damn nasty. Ain't nobody nastier than some of our thin skinned clones.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:12 AM

Now now Carol YOU are showing off just like that Big Mick ( I'm still watching you BM), rubbing it in that I cannot do those scrolly things...huh well I am going to find out how to and then I will be making scrolly things that will put all others to shame. This I pledge this day of Solstice...****mad laughter****

A Word: Rude...

Susu...I hope it is just a phase and not a permanent approach to talking to other women here. Your remarks directed at Carol aren't too pleasant at all IMO.

Moving right along, here's another word,
and the word is.......


SUMMER

Love and Light
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:14 AM

"Ain't nobody nastier than some of our thin skinned clones."

Is CarolC a clone?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:32 AM

Well Carol have you been cloned? It will of course be the first Human Cloning case in the US.
There's money to be made.... so choose your answer carefully...save the story for the National Enquirer

:>)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:58 AM

Welcome to Mudcat, the online folk world's NPD paradise!

Martin Gibsons can only exist, much less thrive, when there is a steady narcissist supply, and with the protection of fellow narcissists' False Selves Society. Here at Mudcat, the False Selves Society is run by the Mudcat Royals, with help from their very steady supply of forum sycophants.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Yawn
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:02 AM

SHE'S BAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:14 AM

CarolC, I want to apologize for all that I have said, yes you are right, that I did not thoroughly read all the posts on here, kinda hard since there are so many, so I attempted to skim over them and I guess I am not as good at it when I was in college, heck somehow it got me on the Deans list. But I guess when it comes to this many authors I should have realized that this technique will not work, not only that but it is quite dangerous.

I promise, I have learned my lesson, and I am truly sorry. Can we start over? Susu


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:25 AM

Bugger, there goes my "Martin Gibson = Susu" thread.........


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:57 PM

that is too funny if I do say so myself


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 07:04 PM

ok joe you win,how bout 1000 then hoooweeee , anotherthreaddonegone an we blame it on marie lavoue, huh huh huh .please let the witches out of the byoue to play just this once.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 07:44 PM

I have taken the time to read the entire thread and found it deliciously human. Apparently there are some here who hated Martin Gibson, and some who just despised him. Some were put off by him, some tried to ignore him and maybe a few who enjoyed him.

And now, you think he is gone.

Well, he is not gone. He is here.

Many of you are Martin Gibson. In this thread You have acted just like him, spoken like him, been as much him as you can be. You have demonstrated within yourselves in front of us all what you have despised and hated in him.

Do you really think he has left and not returned to see what you have posted to his farewell thread?

You deluded idiots. Do you not hear his laughter?

Think how ridiculous you are getting this riled over an internet persona that you have never met in real life and may never hear from again. Yet you go headlong into tearing into each other over a non-existent being.

Listen...hear that?? Yes, he is laughing.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 07:56 PM

" Many of you are Martin Gibson."

That's heavy man !


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 08:02 PM

Pass it over here, will ya?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,The Phantom of the Uproar
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 08:29 PM

GUEST,G-Spot indeed!

Hi, Marty! I knew you couldn't stay away.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Pogo
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:09 PM

"We have met the enemy and he is us" ?? Is that what you're trying to say ?? Gee.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:13 PM

"Singin' in the rain, just singin' in the rain...what a glorious feeling, I'm happy again..."

I remember posting on the "irrational fears" thread and saying that (among other things) I had an irrational fear that the "I quit" thread would reach 1000 posts!

Hmmmm. Maybe not so irrational after all, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:51 PM

1000 posts of the herd ripping and tearing one another over the departure of the one they hated.

Normal people would have cheered.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Janie
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:56 PM

To the tune of "Please Release Me"

Please release me, let me go
'Cuz I can't stand this thread no mo'
The ghost of Martin Gibson must be pleased
To read a thread that's so diseased.

I logged on to Mudcat late one night
Hoping not to see a fight
Soon, I clicked on "For Real, I Quit."
There I saw folks in a snit.

I been home sick two days this week.
I can't keep my promise not to peek.
Its just like when I pass a wreck
I just can't help but rubberneck.

I 'll swear, tommorrow I'll be good
Ignore this thread just like I should
But then, I find I crave to know
Who it was struck the last blow.

As entertainment goes it's true
Long ago this thread was through
I've had enough to make me sick
So why, this thread do I still click?

Please release me let me go
'Cuz I can't stand this thread no mo'
The ghost of Martin Gibson must be pleased
To read a thread that's so diseased.

Janie;)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:56 PM

Just remember ... thread 1000 to this post is mine.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:01 PM

That's right...it matters not who gets bludgeoned as long as I get to strike the 1000th blow!!

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:10 PM

No one will strike the 1000 blow. Why, because I have the 1000 thread, and I've hidden away .... away were no one will ever find it. No one will have the satisfaction of making the boast of reaching it, in such a ridiculus, pathetic thread to which this has evolved.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:13 PM

Perhaps number 7 will have something to say about that!

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:17 PM

My sentiments exactly, Janie.

I really like your poem/song!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:26 PM

Maybe number 7 will have something to say ... but it doesn't really matter what the 7 says, does it.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:48 PM

This is Ron's wife Jan.

I think you are all nuts. Why are you wasting your time on any BS thread, let alone this one. Life is just too short to throw away time on such utter rubbish and dribble. Get yourselves a real life, and go live it!

If all of you had totally ignored Martin Gibbson, and not answered even one of his posts from the moment he appeared on Mud Cat, you would not now be posting to this.
M G, who ever that twit is, must be really enjoying all this attention. You have all fallen into his nasty little game again.

That's all I have to say, and I sincerely hope Ron will not be posting to this again. As I never want to hear the words Martin Gibbson, unless referring to guitars. I prefer the Gibbson SG in cherry, myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:02 PM

Thank you, Susu. I apreciate that. Of course we can start over.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 12:00 AM

"Yes, he is laughing."

And some are laughing with him....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 12:03 AM

006 1/2

License to maim.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:12 AM

NOBODY can claim the 1000th post to this thread because a bunch of posts are missing... like the one where I was first to suggest that this thread might go over a thousand. I wish I had never said it.

Too bad those posts are gone. Some good gutter humour was flushed down the drain. Except the 'mobius' one. I'm sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:36 AM

This is all crap. What we should do, is see our dear friend Martin Gibson off with a eulogy and a wake.

Something along the lines......

Martin was a gentle soul who was only among us for a short time. However he was always one who left the company with a heart warming chuckle, happier for his very existence - at times he seemed liked like a very fount of wisdom - always dispensed with a light touch, a bon mot, and sometimes a hint of ribaldry.

but now he has gone. he's off in cyberspace with his beautiful family, his well paid job, his dazzling guitar technique.

There will be some some amongst us who say good shuts to the smart alec bastard. there will be others who say, well at least you knew what the republicans were thinking when martin was around.

but I just say goodbye Martin - we are all missing you in our different ways.

And I thought maybe at this jucture we could singsomething elegaic - Luka Bloom's City of Chicago maybe, or frank Sinatra:-

Start spreading the news......etc

Like gene Kelly says in Singing in the Rain - dignity, dignity....at all times dignity!

But we could leave it open - if you have a suggestion for a song for Martin's wake.........


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 02:18 PM

So is that it?

Is this thread done?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 02:34 PM

gnu .... I can and I did claim the 1000 post. There is no where on the Mudcat that says you can't. It doesn't matter about the 'missing posts'. That has nothing to do with me pal.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 02:52 PM

Okay, I am only adding this because I am dying to see who actually gets the 1000 mark! Should we start taking wagers? Susu


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 03:25 PM

Put me down for a brew on Joe. And, not an Alpine.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 03:28 PM

Just give it to Flamenco Ted. Save everyone a lot of bother. He's welcome to this one. Here, you can visualize it now:



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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Flamenco Ted - PM
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:18 PM

1000!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 04:36 PM

come now enough whipping of the dead cat,let it go. btw martins,gibsons, well they are both good, but i prefer the old dobro i picked up in lakecity fla many moons ago,nicely figured maple,with a polished and laqured copper cone and resonator,sounds great with lite strings.now if i could just find someone to play it sides me,gettin tired awatchin em drop dead when i play.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Paul Mitchell
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 04:53 PM

Wow! I haven't been back here for months, and you guys are STILL arguing!


Amazing!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:08 PM

i ain't a arquing now am i. well maybe,i hope not,ifin i is,don't tell me,i don't wana know,don't care.   ya'll have a gran day now an god bless.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:11 PM

And the same to you... I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:17 PM

thank's


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:34 PM

Martin Gibson was a joke...and the joke has been on all of you.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:40 PM

kangaroo


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:41 PM

Thanks for your acute and in depth analysis and research. I speak on behalf of all 'Cats when I say, well done. We shall endeavour to live up to your standards, as best we can, in future discussions and debates on such weighty matters. Please, can we call on your wisdom in future when we fail to grasp the completely fucking obvious?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:42 PM

wld... indeed, KANGAROO.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Charmion
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 06:13 PM

Wallaby?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 06:20 PM

I would just like to make a small correction to one of my earlier posts. It didn't come out exactly as I intended...


WORD
WORD

...there. That's better.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 06:25 PM

If that technology had been around in the sixties . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 06:31 PM

WORD!!

Cool!!

Right on!!

Alriiight!!

That's Groovy!!

That's Fresh!!

That's Outta Sight!!

That's Hot!!

That's the Bomb!

and all those other now outdated slang phrases that describe something bad! {meaning good!}

I'm referring to those scrolling words, of course.

I really dig it. I'm impressed. So I just wanted to give y'll some props 'cause y'll got SKILLS. And it's all good.

Much respect.

Catch ya later,


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:19 PM

Whew I was on vacation the last couple of weeks - up north on the Alaska road system, based in Anchorage- had a great time - so I just now finished reading this thread. Took days. My head is spinning...

Way up there, someone commented that there's a lot of hurt in this thread, and I agree. Remember what it's like when there's been a bad scare and finally, it's over? Like when someone narrowly escapes death or injury or disaster?   Remember how you felt when it was over? Mad,that's what.

I'm no psychologist, as you can see, but that's what this feels like to me.

(Now go ahead and attack me- I love you all anyway.) *G*


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:25 PM

Why not attack Ebbie? You've attacked everyone else.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:32 PM

See? LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:37 PM

Ebbie - consider yourself attacked. Twenty lashs with a wet noodle for you girlie !

Now - On with the show.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:40 PM

Good to have you back Ebbie, I wondered if you were on Vacation....Hope you had a great time and I loves ya Ebbie:>)



Carol.....your doing it on purpose with the scrolly things aren't you, Big Mick put you up to it, I know...uh huh...well I may be scrollerly (is that even a WORD!) challenged at the moment but my day shall arrive...soon.. (even madder laughter than the last time I posted about scrolly things...
oops,
I scared the dog.......)

AND MY WORD FOR TODAY IS:       DINGO

Love to All
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:49 PM

Hit the X did ya?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:57 PM

I just steal my stuff from other people, Alba. You can too, in the "View" drop down menu, under "Source" in Explorer and "Page Source" in Firefox. All of the HTML that people have used in the page is right there for you to steal and adapt to suit whatever naughty purposes you have in mind.

;-)

And I found out that on our desktop the effects can be seen in Firefox. For some reason they can't be seen in Firefox on our laptop. Not sure why that is.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:03 PM

"For Real. I quit"

Not quitting, but leaving for a while. Y'all take care.

BM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:19 PM

Ya mean, Carol, like this?




WORD
WORD


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:29 PM

Pretty cool, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 12:06 AM

I'm gone too

adios,
sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 06:17 AM

sIx... just when this thread is turning the corner for sure? The hate almost got flushed down the drain with gutter humour, but that got deleted by a tech problem. Now, it appears, the movement toward the light is fuelled by HTML thingies and silliness. Even my "nasty" post was meant to be sarcastic... an attempt at humour.

C'mon, stick a round and contribute your wit and wisdome... stray for a while linger... at least for 1000 posts. I was wrong. Missing posts are missing and they don't count toward the total. The fact is that the count is the count and everyone is playing by the same rules, so it's still a valid competition. C'mon, you're no critter!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 06:23 AM

Yes Carol, pretty cool!

Jenny (looking for something else to have fun with)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:05 AM

YO!!! EBBIE!! Welcome back. I am anxious to hear about your adventure(s). I have always wanted to see the Yukon, Alasaka, the NWT's. Please share any highlights. A three mile, one lane tunnel you say? I'd be clawing a bit too. What about the roads? Gravel? Open all year round? Services along the way? Places to stay? Any exotic grub? Any encounters with Alaskan wildlife? or animals?

Maybe you could write a few snippets as you have time... perhaps on another thread? You know, if I was a real big p****, I could start a thread and get other 'Cats to help me drag some stories out of you.... Hmmm... to be a big p****, or not to be a big p****? I'll leave it up to you. Let me know if you have time for a bi... ahem, excuse me.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:13 AM

So why don't you go into the mudchat room then?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:42 AM

Just visited Mudchat for the first time. Nope. Ebbie's Wild Alaskan Adventure Thread would be available for all to read and saved for posterity. If she agrees and if she has time. I hope she does, but I know that it may be too time consuming.

Ebbie... I apologize for putting you on the spot. Don't feel pressured in any way to share your wonderful tales with us mouse potatoes who wish to live our dreams of visiting the Far North vicariously through you.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:18 AM

I'm an arm chair traveler who may never get to see the Far North, though who knows what the future holds...

Ebbie, I agree with gnu. I'd love to hear about your adventures!

Please? Pretty please with sugar on top?



Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:31 AM

Only 111 to go!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:42 AM

110


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 12:14 PM

I too think an Alaska/Far North/NWT thread would be interesting if we all jumped in. There are a number of Mudcats who have traveled our road system. Rapaire, for one. Bill D, for two.

I'll check with them...

And gnu, you are in a unique situation. Tell us about it. Prove to us that neither are YOU a critter. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 12:18 PM

Am I correct when I'm guessing that we don't give a hoot about the Martin Gibson situation anymore and we're just going for the numbers ?

Alrighty then !


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Azizi
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 12:31 PM

Sleepless Dad, as they say in Mr. Roger's Neighborhood {produced in Pittsburgh, PA don't ya know}, "Correct as usual, King Friday!"

The 1,000th post: Bring it on!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 01:23 PM

Ebbie... EXCELLENT. I await the thread with baited breath (don't bother guys, it's been done).

Oh, I AM a critter, actually two, as you know, and I've been called worse. I was referring the the fact that sIx ain't no QUITTER. As in "...stick A ROUND and contribute your wit and WISDOME... STRAY for a while LINGER..." I guess it waddn't very good if'n I gotta slpain it, huh? I shall endeavour to raise the calibre of my puns; this I promise.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 01:44 PM

Although it may be a major milestone in some lives, I have no particular interest in nailing the 1,000th post. If I can, I will, but I won't knock myself out in the attempt. Nor, for that matter, do I have anything to say at this point. It's just a slow day in the swamp, and I thought I would add a post just to boost things along toward the goal line.

Bon apetit (or whatever),

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 02:54 PM

its 90 freaking degrees here!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:16 PM

hey joe;see that boy oh.its only about hitting 1000 now no more you know. for us all[maybe,maybe not] supprise us an turn the witch lose.another thread done gone, maybe no one will notice uh care.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:19 PM

102 left


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:22 PM

jts... did ye get yer AC parts changed out?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:26 PM

900!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:27 PM

900


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:27 PM

dang.. beat me by ||this muc

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:28 PM

I got there first Clinton!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:34 PM

hot diggity we gettin closer to tha end maybe.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:54 PM

I think 'martin' should come back to claim the 1000th.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 06:24 PM

"Hot diggity" reminds me of that great Soca hit "Hot, Hot Hot".

"Are ya feelin hot hot hot"
"Are ya feelin hot hot hot"

etc etc etc.

I mean this is the BS section, right? Besides, I can't find the
lyrics to the song online and it's too hot and I'm too tired to transcribe the words by trying to locate CDs with the song on it and then transcribe them... I ain't that crazy yet..

But if you don't know what "Soca" is all about, check this out:

"ABOUT SOCA

Contrary to widespread assumption, the term "soca" does not refer strictly to the fusion of North American R&B or soul with calypso, but rather, to the incorporation of dance-oriented East Indian percussive and musical elements into traditional calypso. Trinidad's Lord Shorty, who perfected this style in 1973, was credited with defining the inner "soul" of calypso through this expression of Trinidad and Tobago's African and Indian ethnic mix. Comparable fusions of Asian elements with reggae have resulted in such massive dancehall rhythms as Bhangra (Chaka Demus & Pliers' "Murder She Wrote") and Diwali (Sean Paul's "Get Busy," Wayne Wonder's "No Letting Go," Lumidee's "Never Leave You").

The soca fusion was embraced throughout the Caribbean, where Carnivals are held on each island in the spring. Much the way that preparations for New Orleans' big Mardi Gras blow-out dominate the pre-Lenten season, the yearly run-up to Carnival sees an explosion of music-making in anticipation of the event, because of the obvious opportunity to launch a huge hit in the competitions and parties that surround Carnival. The biggest international hit ever to come out of soca up until now was 1983's party classic, "Hot, Hot, Hot" by the Montserrat native Arrow (Alphonsus Cassell), covered by Buster Poindexter for the U.S. crossover market."

-snip-

Click HERE for more on Soca.

****

See what one word or phrase can spark?!! Hot diggity dog!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:19 PM

Azizi and all, nyah, nyah, nyah- the temperature out my door at 3:00 PM is about 60 degrees. Gotta admit though, it's drizzling. Not actually raining- it's more like the clouds can't quite hold it. (Is that called Incontinence?) I just got back from walking 7 blocks in it and my hair is only slightly damp.

gnu, it didn't fall into a pit- I was picking up on your pun. Made me think of Elmer Fudd- 'I am not a cwitter! I hunt them.'


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:21 PM

I think the entire 900-1000 posts should have been a memorial to Martin Gibson! But we missed that opportunity. So how about 925-1000?

I would be so cathartic to most of you and it would mean so very much to Martin!!

Do I hear an "Amen"? A "hear ye, hear ye"? A wink and a nod??

Come on...don't be anymore of paper asshole than you've already been!

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:36 PM

Hey G Spotster, I notice you've been posting almost as long as "Peace" (the former "brucie"). Just coincidence? Hmmmm...

You, G Spot, seem to share the same proclivities towards trying to control what/how other people post. Are you as good at bootlicking Joe and clones' boots as delusional brucie is?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:41 PM

terrorists or insurgents, either way, they suck. fuck 'em


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:49 PM

Ebbie, I got past Fairbanks as far as the Yukon. (By mountain bike.) Is that north enough to count?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:50 PM

Whoa there brucie--oops, I mean G Spot--you just posted that in my thread here...

Oh what a tangled web we weave, eh Peacester G Spot?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:00 PM

That ain't brucie.

Peter K, since I've never gotten that far north, I'd have to say "Welcome!" Actually, I'd love to hear about your mountain bike sojourn. Stay tuned.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:06 PM

Right Ebbie, and you know this to be fact because...???


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:44 PM

If I recall correctly Martin used to post that sentence {terrorists or insurgents, either way, they suck. fuck 'em}

Which doesn't mean that G-Spot is Martin. He {she} could be, but he {she} could also be an instigating wannabe-that is to say- a person who thinks it's fun to see us fight among ourselves.

As to G-Spot being Brucie {Peace}, I doubt it. But y'all can argue back and forth about that if you want to.

I've posted enough in this thread, and I'm outta here if it gets ugly again.

I don't do ugly.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:54 PM

No me neither Azizi so Ill be right behind you and out of here faster than you can say Martin Gibson..lol

Ebbie I too would love to hear Folks adventures. I hope this Thread comes together...what a great read it shall make indeed.

TLUP..***BG***
Love
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:05 PM

Guest, you dumb fuck. What would be the point of brucie changing his name to Peace and then posting as G-Spot? If he really wanted to add to confusion then he would do better to post as you, a nameless guest. I meam, three or four posts in a row by three or four different nameless guest and everyone would be sratching their asses. This has happened before.
But the "brucie, Peace, G-Spot" thing makes no sense, serves no purpose.

Beside all that, it is preposterous for a nameless guest to complain about any posts by those who give a name, about the names they use.

So fuck off, asshole.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,...
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:13 PM

Oooooohhhhh, G Spot U make me SO HOT when U swear at me just like brucie used to when I exposed him for the deluded control freak that he is...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:24 PM

In your heat, you have side-stepped the questions I asked.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:30 PM

The three of you make perfect sense together there brucie/G Spot/Peace. You are posting today under your G Spot moniker, because yesterday as brucie you claimed you were going to take a Mudcat break, then today I noticed and Joe Offer confirmed that brucie and Peace were the same member, and you G Spot/Peace/brucie haven't been able to follow through on your pathetic little claim that you were "taking a break" from the forum, when what you are really doing is playing your usual, disturbed persona games you've been caught out playing in the past here by others.

Let's see now, last time you got caught out at this, I believe you later came back and apologized for your nervous breakdown, or some such crap.

You are just a vicious, vile little man who has been bitter ever since it became apparent you would never be a star of the folk revival.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:38 PM

I can't respond for laughing!

As for as being "caught", I have not heard of this. That should be interesting reading. Could you direct me to the "nervous breakdown/ apology thread? I would love to see that part of Mudcat history. Or, is it one of those mysteriously disappearing threads you speak of?

BTW, I am not a vicious vile little man. I am female.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,...
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:42 PM

Sure you are female, brucie. Maybe you should go take a peek at the video Clinton linked to...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:46 PM

Okay, I'll play. What video did Clinton who link where?
I'll go look if I knew what the fuck you are talking about.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,...
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:49 PM

bye bye brucie, bye bye...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:53 PM

So you make a reference to something and when you are asked to give details, you have nothing to offer except "bye bye". Sounds like you had nothing in your bag to begin with, asshole.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:09 PM

If I can cut in on this dance between Guest and Guest-GSpot, whatever shortcomings brucie may have, I consider him a good friend and he has many admirable qualities. If he felt the need to step away, it's not to pose as some Guest, or Guest with moniker. Maybe the air got a little too foul in here..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,...
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:10 PM

I believe it's your asshole--ahem, G Spot--currently flapping about in the breeze there...not mine.

G'night brucie m'girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:21 PM

Sorry Jerry, but not only did Joe Offer today admit that brucie has also been posting as "Peace" but I just posted the hard evidence of it to another thread. Note how in the following posts, the "From" field now reads "Peace" where yesterday it read "brucie" (and that the post is in fact signed by brucie):

Subject: RE: BS: Re Promised CDs from brucie
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:52 PM

Thank you, all. Kind words. I am taking a break from the 'cat for a while. The CDs I can send are gone--in the mail. I will visit from time to time, so if anyone doesn't get the copy, or if the copy is defective, etc, please post to this thread and someone will let me know. I have enjoyed being here. Wish you all well. Take care.

Bruce

Here is an example from the "For Real I Quit" thread:

Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:03 PM

"For Real. I quit"

Not quitting, but leaving for a while. Y'all take care.

BM

And here is an example from the "Fuck You Jane Fonda" thread:

Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'Fuck You Jane Fonda' Vietnam Song
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 02:17 PM

Mick,

That is one beautiful post.

As you are aware, I protested that war for years. However, even being on 'the other side' of the issue, I was never impressed by Jane's actions at that time. But as you said, she has changed. I also agree that songs have to be preserved. ALL songs--whether I like them or not. My remarks above are not to do with 'making the song go away' further into obscurity. The remarks were to say, simply, that as an example of the songwriter's art/craft--well, it ain't a good one.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:29 PM

Don't try to make sense of the senseless.

Guest, do humor me and tell me what video did Clinton who link to where. if such a thing exists anywhere but in your mind.

And, the apology/nervous breakdown thread; link to it.

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:33 PM

Hmmmm...methinks thou dost protest too much on behalf of brucie there, G Spot.

In the Real Life v. the Internet thread is where you will find the video Clinton linked to.

And I'm done with you now. You can go on ranting all night long if you'd like brucie. I've made enough of a fine point about you for one day.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:38 PM

I know that brucie changed his mudcat moniker to Peace... I too read the thread. And that's the manner in which he stepped away.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,69
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:42 PM

69!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 11:34 PM

I think you folks have lost your minds and have entirely too much time on your hands. Who cares about who changes a name or who has taken a break from being online...I'd say that is actually a healthy thing. Who knows....maybe Brucie had something to do or someplace to go and didn't feel like dragging your foul mouthed, button pushing asshole selves with him. Lord knows I wouldn't want to.

Keeping track of who said what to who and in what context is obsessive...sounds much like the carrying on of a 13 year old school girl. But hey...if that's how you wish to spend your days (you know, those moments that pass us by, never to return, EVER), then so be it. I'd much rather enjoy those around me, getting active with something that has meaning to me than to sit and bicker endlessly with people who can only present themselves as typed up words....all expressions and intonations are lost....you get the idea.

In my opinion, those who try to push the reaction button and hide behind the Guest name, aren't worth anything...certainly not a second read through, or response let alone a second thought.

Don't you have some bugs to pull wings off of or something?

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 12:11 AM

My thoughts exactly, Michelle. Funny - I was just reading the Life VS the Internet thread, and had composed what was going to be my one and only post to it, and when I previewed my post, it said This Thread is Closed. So I copied my post, and opened the thread again in another window and it said This Thread has been Deleted. So I've got a perfectly good post and nowhere to put it.

So where can I put it, she thought? I know, I'll boost that awful MG thread on to 1000 posts, cos it sorta fits in, particularly in the light of what you said Michelle. I referred to something Jon Freeman said in that thread, but the whole thing's been deleted now - probably just as well.

Anyway, for what it's worth, here it is.


This GUEST is obviously pretending to be obtuse because she thinks she can wind us up.

There's nothing wrong with a person changing their Mudcat handle. John in Hull did it quite regularly at one stage, and every time he did, all his old member posts took on the latest name. Jon already explained why that happens and why the name on one's guest posts don't change, in his post of 23 Jun 05 - 08:13 PM.

I think Jerry Rasmussen had the right of it when he said

I know that brucie changed his mudcat moniker to Peace... I too read the thread. And that's the manner in which he stepped away.

Simple as that.

As for the other G spot/brucie/Peace nonsense - ridiculous. I don't know who G spot is - could be MG for all I know - but I'd have a hard time believing it was Bruce. I can't even see why anyone thinks there's any connection. More likely it's somebody trying to stir up trouble.

It might be a good thing for a few here to step away! Don't you people have LIVES?

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 01:23 AM

Jenny, Michelle...I just went looking for a cartoon in an old folder to make a point, but it was too torn to scan...so....imagine

*drawing of a fellow sitting in his chair in front of TV set, looking sad and upset...and saying, "To think- people are watching this!"


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: sixtieschick
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 01:42 AM

Why don't we all just declare victory and get out.

1000!

There! I was first. Now I'm outa here.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: susu
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:44 AM

Just a question... couldn't G-Spot theoretically be more than one person, just as anyone who posts under the "Guest" moniker? So technically G-Spot could be Guest arguing with him/herself? Now that's deep! (or messed up) Susu


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 07:00 AM

Ha ha Bill D. Good one!

Of course I'm not really posting to this thread. I'm just a figment of somebody's imagination.......or maybe it's the other way around.......


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 07:07 AM

Where did all the silliness go? As soon as this thread turns the corner, someone tries to bring it back to nasty. Glad I sacked out early.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM

heck with it,gona go talk base ball,song about it that i can't remimber the title or artist of,ps g spot,just another foul greasy spot messin up the road,and if femal as claimed,probly fits as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:17 PM

only 60 opp's 59 left mr offer[i can be nice too]keep the witch close by please.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:04 PM

Martin

Martin
I'm sad we're partin'
Tho I put my heart in
Can't see this song chartin'

some say that Martin
you were rotten as fartin'
but I won't take part in
or contemplate startin'
sayin' there goes Martin
and throwin' a dart in


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:06 PM

Brings a tear to me eye, at does!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:13 PM

Now don't go gettin' all sentimental and maudlin on us gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:16 PM

I am not anyone but me. I am not Martin Gibson, brucie, Peace and certainly not bastard "Guest"!

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,G-Spot
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:18 PM

Besides, I grow weary of the stupidity I witness here.
Later!

GS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 10:55 PM

Gnu step away from the Computer and GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF MAN!!!
You can't let the little, insignificant nothing things in Life get you all simplymental:>)
Just think of tomorrow.
Heat, Humidity, Bugs, Deet, so much to look forward to..ah Life...
Love
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 11:09 PM

POSITIVE VIBRATIONS- Bob Marley

Live if you want to live
(rastaman vibration, yeah! positive!)
That's what we got to give!
(i'n'i vibration yeah! positive)
Got to have a good vibe!
Wo-wo-ooh!
(positive vibration, yeah! positive!)

If you get down and you quarrel everyday,
You're saying prayers to the devils, I say. wo-oh-ooh!
Why not help one another on the way?
Make it much easier. (just a little bit easier)

Say you just can't live that negative way,
If you know what I mean;
Make way for the positive day,
'cause it's news (new day) - news and days -
New time (new time), and if it's a new feelin' (new feelin'), yeah! -
Said it's a new sign (new sign):
Oh, what a new day!

Pickin' up?
Are you pickin' up now?
Jah love - jah love (protect us);
Jah love - jah love (protect us);
Jah love - jah love (protect us).

Rastaman vibration, yeah! (positive!)
I'n'i vibration, yeah! (positive!) uh-huh-huh, a yeah!
Iyaman iration, yeah! (irie ites!) wo-oo-oh!
*positive vibration, yeah! (positive!)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 11:30 PM

Yes 'I' Azizi..:>) Wonderful Song, thank you for posting the lyrics my dear Twin:>)

"One good thing about Music, when it hits you, you feel no pain." Robert Nesta Marley.

Oh and Gnu ma dear I was talking about the subject of weelittledrummer's poem not the poem itself ***BG***

Pleasant dreams to all and to all a good night.
Love and Light
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:07 AM

After the Big Mudcat Crash, when the Cat came back with 6 months worth of posts missing, Max warned us that anything we posted at that point might get lost. During that period between 13th and 15th June - when in fact some posts did end up disappearing, I got a chuckle out of something that El Greko had written. Fortunately I heeded Max's words, and saved it. Amidst all the speculation about who Martin Gibson is, and whether "he" will be back in another incarnation, comes this little gem...... ya gotta love the last line!


Subject: RE: BS: Did Mudcat Loose Six Months?
From: El Greko - PM
Date: 14 Jun 05 - 08:22 PM

I dreamed a dream the other day
an angel came to me
the things he whispered in my ear,
I tell you, they fair threw me.

"Forget the past my friend", he said,
"yesterday's done and dusted,
the future will be what you want,
it's up to you to cast it".

"You can forget your past mistakes,
forget the gains and losses,
shortcomings and bad habits that
you carried like crosses".

"When you wake up, you will be born
anew, the past is zero.
And up to you if you will be
a villain or a hero".

I woke up, lit a cigarette,
sat by myself and pondered.
Of all the dreams, the weirdest yet,
"And have I changed?" I wondered.

There I was, fat and smoking still
with minimal willpower.
My zits all there, my grey hair too,
my stomach like a tower.

And then I thought, perhaps it's not
my physical appearance
that changed, but something else instead:
the key was perseverance.

Switched on and logged into Mudcat
(it still did recognise me)
but hey! - the old threads had all gone
and that sure did surprise me.

So, that is what the angel meant;
my postings had all vanished.
Along with them, all I had said
from memory was banished.

Gone now El Greko, George gone too,
along with his friend Xander;
gone each and every spurious thought
that had on screen meandered.

Here was my chance to start again,
create a new persona.
"What shall I call myself?" I thought
"Something that speaks of honour!"

"Nelson, or Shakespeare, or perhaps
Brecht, Alexander, Ibsen.
I got it! As I love guitars,
I'll call me Martin Gibson!"


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 06:50 AM

I'm one of those people who is always looking for signs and meanings in things that occur.

I just woke up from this dream of a "West Side Story"/"Billy Jean" kinda scene {or whatever old school Michael Jackson song it was where he and his 'posse' dance/fight another gang in imitation of that classic "West Side Story" scene.

In my dream, instead of young adults the opposing 'gangs' were boys and girls. These kids stood facing each other divided by a tall chain linked playground fence. One group was already in the playground, and the other was outside.

But when the playground gate suddenly opened by itself, instead of fighting, the two groups of children joined together and had fun playing handclaps, chasing games, jump rope, and other such games.

For some reason, who knows why, that made me think of Mudcat and this thread.

I wondered if this thread was a test to see if positivity would triumph here over negativity.

One way that could occur is if-in trying to reach the goal of 1,000 comments [a fun goal so why not?]-rather than adding posts that dwell on the hurt and pain of the past, we concentrated on contributing our own or others' witty or otherwise creative compositions, and/or our own or other's positive, insightful sayings.

I'm game. What about you?



Best wishes,

Azizi Powell


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 07:05 AM

Alba... ahhh, you GOT it!!! Not that I don't appreciate the effort, wld. It's better than I could do. Heck, when I tried to plagiarize a poem about whasisname, I screwed it up royally.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 07:12 AM

Question: How long do the posts to Mudchat stay in "existance"?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 07:49 AM

Question: How long do the posts to Mudchat stay in "existance"

Mudchat. I would guess typically most posts last a few minutes. I don't know the specifics of CFChat (the program Mudchat uses) but a lot of that type use a "rotating array" in the web server's memory space to hold a few chat lines, I'd guess 10-50 lines of chat.

The longest time that anything would stay in memory is the time the server is running. In the case of Mudcat on average that is about 1/2-1/3 of a day taking a 90 day average from Netcraft.

There is one other factor though. That is the messages could be logged. I don't know whether that happens or not. All I do know is that years ago there was a Java Chat here and that was logged.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:00 AM

Thanks, Jon.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:04 PM

The last word.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:05 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:19 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 05:21 PM

your almost there


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 06:24 PM

still sounds like a grease spot ta me,ya'll don't slip in it,ya here now   hagdagb


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 06:29 PM


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From: Alba
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 07:23 PM


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From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 07:29 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 07:53 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:02 PM


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From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:10 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: heric
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:16 PM

I'm ready for my close up.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:20 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:26 PM


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From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:35 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:36 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:58 PM

A one..


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:59 PM

And a two


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:59 PM

And a three


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:00 PM

And a four


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:01 PM

Now, where did I put that bubble machine?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:02 PM

Only 23 more posts and we can put this sucker to rest..


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:04 PM

will it have a peaceful sleep?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

And a 979


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

And a 980


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

And a 981


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

And a 982


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

And a 983


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:12 PM

And a 984


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From: Alba
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:13 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:18 PM

GO


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From: bobad
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:18 PM

GO


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From: bobad
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:18 PM

GO


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From: frogprince
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:19 PM

986


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From: frogprince
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:20 PM

990


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 992


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 991


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 994


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 995


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 993


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 996


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:22 PM

And a 997


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From: frogprince
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:24 PM


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From: frogprince
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:25 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:26 PM

The party's oooooo-ver......


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:29 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:33 PM

congratulations! what a great achievement! this thread is like the proverbial lotus - roots in the mud - stem rising through muddy waters, finally to reach the sunlight.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:39 PM

Amen and Hallelujah!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jimmyt
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 09:54 PM

keep going I would like to be 1776


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:28 PM

Goodnight Jim Boy...lol

Mother Walton aka Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:29 PM

Gee, what do we talk about now?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,All Betternow
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:11 PM

May I suggest ...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:14 PM

EEEUUUWWWW. What's that? Looks like that space invader filling stuff gone mad.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:20 PM

My gosh, that is actually exhibited as art ain't it? As it was loading, my thought was that it was a pile of aerosal can insulation, with some spots broken off after it dried.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: *daylia*
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:22 PM

Looks like a job for the Heavenly Honey Wagon.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:43 PM

I once saw an episode of "Changing Rooms", where they were squirting that stuff around the base of standard lamps, to make them look "arty". I seem to remember they gave up on that idea because it looked really stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Alba
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:02 AM

I saw that episode JennyO, your right and so were they, the Lamps did look stupid..lol

As for the picy of the large piece of Foamy stuff it looks like ectoplasmic(sp) vomit to me!:>)

Love
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:35 AM

Gads. I usually open links but I think I'll pass on this one.

Jimmy T, what is the significance of 1776? July 4th coming up? Unless you are speaking of the age you wish to attain?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 10:37 AM

Absolutely the .......

LAST FRIGGIN' WORD.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 10:02 PM

The bird's the word.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Mystery Maestro
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 10:33 PM

...and so the Last Word rings as Musically as the First


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 06:10 AM

Don't make me close this thread!!!!

I told you, I get ........

The Last feckin' word.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 06:25 AM

or not :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 01:25 PM

I think we should try to get 1867 posts by July 1st, or failing that 1776 posts on July 4th.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 02:15 PM

I thought that William Shatner would post the 1000th and definitive post on this thread, thus ending it.

He didn't.

This means I was wrong.

What happens now?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 05:20 PM

whats up joe this thing is still here;also to all better now;if that was supposed to be art,you need to take to sunvally id.[most of blain county actually]could sell it to one of the dam idiot rich b.....ds transplanted from the land of fruits and nuts[not the eadable kind unless you swing that way]californicators for millions.[why do people swoon all over,and slober up to them just because of some damn movie or such i'll never know].no apoligies. have a great day and god bless.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 09:51 PM

Anyone got smokes?

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: frogprince
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 10:08 PM

Shane...




You OUGHTA quit!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 10:51 PM

Here Shane, have a cigar, I got some Monte Cristos. I feel like celebratin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Quitic
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:00 PM

Tsk tsk tsk


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:19 PM

Seagoon: Now... have a gorilla.

German: No thanks - I only smoke baboons.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:34 PM

what do y'all think of this?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:49 PM

Ya mean the article, or the spider monkey?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 01:44 AM

either


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: freda underhill
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:14 AM

a cappucino and a latte.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: JennyO
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:35 AM

Will that be with ordinary milk, skim or soy?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:15 PM

please forgive my last post,i was laughing so hard at the art that i started to sound like someone else who said iquit.i do regrett the lapse.have a great day.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:17 PM

That explains her odd expression.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,William Shatner
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:14 PM

Damn! I missed doing the 1000th post! I am so very sorry for that. I was engaged in upstate New York at a weeklong retreat for the Arts--(leading workshops on acting and giving voice lessons) It was intense and demanding, and I was always so beset by fans and groupies that I plain ol' forgot about my responsibilites to my fans here at the Mudcat Cafe. But....better late than never. Fare well Martin Gibson. Sorry you never got to record with me. Write when you get work. I suppose you have beamed back into the black hole from which you came.

OK Guys. Cut. Close this thread.

WS


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Leonard Nimoy
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 12:13 PM

Typical. He always wants to have the last word.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Nyota Uhura
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 12:43 PM

Salamu iwe juu yenu.

[Peace be with you]


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 12:53 PM

The last word.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jpk
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:19 PM

ay cappitain,naw ye jus get yer sef bac ta ritian on yo books an step tae arty thinge


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