Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Bryn Pugh Date: 20 Nov 08 - 10:47 AM Oh, Shenanikey Dah He play the guitar Outside the bazaar, bazaar, bazaar. As he play the guitar He smoke a cigar And he laugh a da ha ha ha ha ha. I'll get me Barbour . . . |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Peter T. Date: 20 Nov 08 - 10:23 AM And while one is parsing this, there are different elements to the bad rhyme problem. For instance, if you consider it as a problem based on the need to have the last word in the line rhyme with the last word of the previous line (or recent line), then badness (1) you could pick a crappy word; or badness (2) you could pick a good word, but in order to get to it, you have to create a phrase that is ungrammatical or clunky. I am usually much more unhappy about the second problem than about the first. I'm sure there are other badnesses people could name and illustrate...... yours, Peter T. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,nick gourley Date: 20 Nov 08 - 10:08 AM my mother is black and my fathers on crack what are you on |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Uncle Phil Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:27 PM "He loves all the people no matter their races, Hell he even had a hit country song with Julio Iglesias" Bruce Robinson, with tongue firmly in cheek, in the song What Would Willie Do? - Phil |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:54 PM McGrath, I think you've put your finger on the essence of "bad rhyme." |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:52 PM Yeah, it is regional. Where I come from, depending on what week it is, "gone" may rhyme with "lawn" or "on," but "one" usually rhymes with "run." Of course, in some areas in the southern US, "on" rhymes with "phone." LOL |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Chris Cole Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:39 PM There's no beginning... There'll be no end 'cause on my love, you can depend. (love is all around me) Yuck - makes me cringe every time |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:32 PM Any kind of echo can serve as a rhyme well enough. The rhymes that really deserve to be called "bad rhymes" are those you get when, in an effort to achieve a perfect rhyme, a writer, distorts what they are saying in order to obtain that rhyme, in a poem that isn't intended to be humorous. In other words, bad rhymes are formally perfect rhymes which don't fit. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: KateG Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:20 PM Snuffy, For me (NE US of A) and possibly for Genie, "gone" rhymes with on, Don & Ron, but "one" rhymes with dun, bun, and run. Actually the rhyme that I can't figure out is the old nursery rhyme: "I love little pussy, her coat is so warm; And if I don't hurt her, she'll do me no harm." I've never been able to make that one work in my head except by pronouncing warm as if I were speaking German, but it might work in dialects other than mine. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Snuffy Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:46 AM Ah, regional differences in pronunciation, Genie. For me both "one" and "gone" rhyme with "on", "Don", "Ron", etc. Do you rhyme "gone" with "lawn" or "morn" or what? |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:54 AM I like Maurice Condie's Limerick: There was a young lady from Bude, Who went for a swim in a pond. A man in a punt, stuck his pole in the water And said "you can't swim here, it's private." My boyfriend wrote a similarly amusing poem about his goldfish while he was at school that simply went: Oh, wet pet. That's a good rhyme though... |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:37 AM Ok, Snuffy, maybe I should have acknowledged "gone" and "one" as a half-rhyme, but it's part of the repeated REFRAIN. (I still don't think it rhymes, but that's just me.) The point was that once the repetitive refrain is established, the rest of the lines don't even try to rhyme, yet the song still has very regular patterns. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Mr Happy Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:18 PM one of my all time favourites, from,'The Bacon Butty'(written by Fred McCormick) And to the ones who daily toil In sandwich bar and kitchen To serve in cellophane and foil Our modest lives enriching. Well washed and free from gangarine I bless the tender hand which Spreads thick, and fast, the margarine, Upon the bacon sandwich. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Snuffy Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:38 PM "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" is an example of one of those songs that uses pattern repetition and "refrain" repetition but not rhyme. Highly structured lyrics with no rhymes at all. No rhyme? Where have all the xxxxxxxxx gone Gone to xxxxxxxxxx every one |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:55 PM "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" is an example of one of those songs that uses pattern repetition and "refrain" repetition but not rhyme. Highly structured lyrics with no rhymes at all. Now, if we're broadening the topic to include other kinds of bad lyrics, I nominate the song "Rose Garden" (sung by Lynne Anderson). An especially atrocious collection of piled-on clichés and cheap pointless rhyme is this part: You'd better look before you leap; Still waters run deep And I won't be there to pull you out, And I know what I'm talking about ... |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:02 AM High in the sky floats the neocon castles. raining prayers and bombs from its ego strong ass holes. -excerpt from the Sack of Baghdad- |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:08 AM Where have all the flowers gone? Arrgh. [By sheer luck they are now far, far away.] |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: DoctorJug Date: 07 Nov 06 - 06:58 AM You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one. Perhaps one day you'll join us And the world will live as one. True genius. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:38 AM Was that ever in doubt, Guest, dear? ;) |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:36 AM A St—r Mo Chro' A st—r mo chro', when you're far away From the home you will soon be leaving 'Tis many a time by night and by day Your heart will be sorely grieving The stranger's land may be bright and fair And rich in its treasures golden You'll pine, I know, for the land long ago And the love that is never olden A Walk in the Irish Rain When the sun goes down o'er Dublin town, The colours last for hours, oh. The lights come on, the night's a song, And the streets all turn to gold. A gentle mist all heaven kissed, Like teardrops off an angel's wing. Don't you know you'll cleanse your soul, With a walk in the Irish rain. Chorus: Oh, Katherine, take my hand, I've got three pounds and change. And I'll sing you songs of love again. And when I get too drunk to sing, We'll walk in the Irish rain. Adieu to Lovely Garrison Adieu to you Bundoran With your beauty spread far and wide. Your lovely strand, both gay and grand, Washed by the Atlantic tide. In the summertime the strangers come Some pleasure for to see. But alas it grieves me to the heart To be far away from thee. Just to show that we Irish are well in the race when it comes to banality and bad verse. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:23 AM JUBILATION T. CORNPONE Lil' Abner : The Musical (1956) (Gene De Paul / Johnny Mercer) Stubby Kaye - 1956 When we fought the Yankees and annihilation was near, Who was there to lead the charge that took us safe to the rear? Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone; Old "Toot your own horn - pone." Jubilation T. Cornpone, a man who knew no fear! When we almost had 'em but the issue still was in doubt, Who suggested the retreat that turned it into a rout? Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone; Old "Tattered and torn - pone." Jubilation T. Cornpone, he kept us hidin' out! With our ammunition gone and faced with utter defeat, Who was it that burned the crops and left us nothing to eat? Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone; Old "September Morn - pone." Jubilation T. Cornpone, the pants blown off his seat! and so on.. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:11 AM Guest rr, I'd say it's rap music more than pop that overuses the lazy "-ation" rhymes. "Dave the gnome, this from the Turtles is an excellent example: Eleanor, gee, I think you're swell and you realy do me well. You're my pride and joy et cet'ra." But you left off the most groan-worthy part: in the ending of that verse they rhymed "et cet'ra" with "better!" |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,Anonymous Evil Date: 07 Nov 06 - 12:27 AM GOAT-HERD........ |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:19 PM Barbara quoted Tom Lehrer: I love her and she loves me And happy are the both of we And leeneia wrote, Whether he's spoofing or not, Barbara, you're right that that is an awful rhyme. But you know the very next couplet in that song is I love her and she loves I And will for all eternity With "eternity" pronounced to rhyme with "I". Of course, Lehrer has a lot of excruciating rhymes: When the air becomes uranious/We will all go simultaneous The druggist on the corner, he/Was never mean or ornery He rhymes "funeral" with a piece of "sooner or later". Everybody say his own/Kyrie Eleison These are all the ones of which the news has come to Harvard There may be many others but they haven't been discovered Plagiarize!/Let no one else's work evade your eyes! While we're attacking frontally/Watch Brinkley and Huntley/Describing contrapuntally And so on. Well, you could call them all awful, but since the songs are supposed to be comical, I'd rather call them awful good. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST Date: 06 Nov 06 - 02:26 PM And nobody |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 06 - 12:49 PM John Milton on rhyme: ... rime being no necessary adjunct or true ornament of poem or good verse, in longer works especially, but the invention of a barbarous age, to set off wretched matter and lame metre; graced indeed since by the use of some famous modern poets, carried away by custom, but much to their own vexation, hindrance, and constraint to express many things otherwise, and for the most part worse, than else they would have expressed them. Not without cause therefore some both Italian and Spanish poets of prime note have rejected rime both in longer and shorter works, as have also long since our best English tragedies, as a thing of itself, to all judicious ears, trivial and of no true musical delight; which consists only in apt numbers, fit quantity of syllables, and the sense variously drawn out from one verse into another, not in the jingling sound of like endings—a fault avoided by the learned ancients both in poetry and all good oratory. This neglect then of rime so little is to be taken for a defect, though it may seem so perhaps to vulgar readers, that it rather is to be esteemed an example set, the first in English, of ancient liberty recovered to heroic poem from the troublesome and modern bondage of riming. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,grr Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:49 AM Anything in pop music which lazily uses the end-syllables "-ation". |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:41 AM "RHYME: The repetition of similar or duplicate sounds at regular intervals, usually the repetition of the terminal sounds of words at the end of lines of verse.... Verse has not always made use of rhymes, and some poets (eg Milton) have spoken against it; nevertheless, rhyme is one of the most persistent of poetic devices. It calls attention to the word as sound, which we enjoy form its own sake, as opposed to the word as conveyor of meaning. It also functions as a marker, signalling the end of a rhythmical unit. When a rhythmical and rhetorical unit coincide, the rhyme reinforces their correspondence; when they do not, the rhyme establishes in the mind of the reader an interaction between them." From a readers Guide to Literary Terms, Beckson and Ganz, Thames and Hudson 1961) Can't say fairer than that... |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,SqueezeMe Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:37 AM Used to play in an Aussie bush band who opened their show with a song containing the immortal lines: "We play our music to entertain ya The songs and music of Austra-ya" Shear poetry! MC |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: leeneia Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:02 AM Whether he's spoofing or not, Barbara, you're right that that is an awful rhyme. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Barbara Date: 06 Nov 06 - 12:35 AM Tom Lehrer: "I love her and she loves me And happy are the both of we" Of course he is spoofing Gilbert and Sullivan's style. It's from the song where he sings "Clementine " in the manner of a number of famous composers. Blessings, Barbara |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: leeneia Date: 05 Nov 06 - 11:08 PM From "As we march-ed down to Fenario" -- I love you most of all, Captain Willie-o, I love you most of all, Captain Willie-o, I love you most of all, but your fortune is too small. I'm afraid that my mother would be angry-o. Eh? I have folk-processed this abject lack of rhyme to a merely clumsy rhyme by changing Willie to Danny. How much you wanna bet it was Danny originally? |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: johnross Date: 05 Nov 06 - 10:57 PM From "The State of Illinois" (or as it appears in Sandburg's "American SOngbag," El-a-noy) Away up in the northward, Right on the border line, A great commercial city, Chicago, you will find. Her men are all like Abelard, Her women like Heloise; All honest, virtuous people, For they live in Illinois. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: JennieG Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:31 PM I'm with Genie above - I reckon Leonard Cohen's rhymes in 'Hallelulia' are execrable. They make me grit my teeth and flinch whenever I hear them. Cheers JennieG |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,frogprod Date: 05 Nov 06 - 07:47 PM well, the words all seem to refer to weather and nature, so I presume it refers to temperature rather than police... and, come to think of it, there is at least one very bad rhyme in there - "clouds" and "sound"... it's from A HORSE WITH NO NAME On the first part of the journey I was looking at all the life There were plants and birds and rocks and things There was sand and hills and rings The first thing I met was a fly with a buzz And the sky with no clouds The heat was hot and the ground was dry But the air was full of sound |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 06 - 07:13 PM Unless "the heat" meant "the police". (I'm not saying it does in that line, since I don't know the context - but sometimes words aren't that straightforward.) |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: GUEST,frogprod Date: 05 Nov 06 - 07:02 PM on the subject of America's lyrics: while it has nothing to do with rhyme, it IS one of the worst lines of all time - "the heat was hot" |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Nov 06 - 06:49 PM McGonigal has already been mentioned. That should have killed the thread.... |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: curmudgeon Date: 05 Nov 06 - 11:37 AM Tequila Sheila by Shel Silverstein -- "I never thought you were a squeeler, Sheiler" Linn (Bat Goddess) forgot to change from Tom's cookie and don't have time now |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 06 - 11:06 AM Several distinct reason why people say somethings a "bad rhyme". One is where the words in question just don't rhyme. But sometimes this criticism is misplaced, because in English there are a wide variety of varieties of rhyme, and the "perfect rhyme" is only one of these - and not always the best one to use. A too perfect and predictable rhyme can in fact come across as trite. And in fact some of the examples of "bad rhymes" offered up in this thread fall into that category - perfect but trite. And there are perfect rhymes which are in a way the opposite of that - they are so unexpected they come across as forced and over artificial. Which is OK as a comic device, but lianbkle to be disastrous in other contexts. And there are rhymes which work in some accents/dialects, but not in the one used by the critic. (I'd say that "warrior" and "bore ya" probably fall that category, since many Americans do seem to pronounce "warrior" as "wore-ya" where the English would say worr-ya.) .................. One way of getting away with a rhyme using an unusual word, when you don't want it to sound comic, is to use the unusual word first, and the common word as the rhyme, rather than the other way round. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Flash Company Date: 05 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM Johnnie Mercer was responsible for this one, so politically incorrect you couldn't sing it now:- The other girls can go to Europe, and mix in high society, And they can wed a Count or Marquis, Or a Russian, or a darky, But when I get married, and settle in Brooklyn, He may be a hobo, a hick or a rueben, But he has to be a Cuban! FC |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Charley Noble Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:57 AM From my song "Cowardly Act": The truth would surely challenge the most bizarre criteria – That cow'd been rustled by Russians from her pasture in Siberia. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:14 AM Both from the Turtles - although I do believe they did it on purpose. Or should that be on porpoise? Oh , never mind. I realy think you're groovy Lets go out to a movie further along Your lips intoxicate me even though your folks hate me and, the chorus. Not strictly a rhyme but the worse example of fitting a meter in badly Elenor, gee, I think your swell and you realy do me well you're my pride and joy etcetera They don't write 'em like that any more. :D (tG) |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Darowyn Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:07 AM Oops- it's "She Loves You" not "I want to Hold Your Hand" Cheers Dave |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 05 Nov 06 - 06:54 AM this is about Scots whisky Leave Us Our Glens (George Donald / Buff Hardie) I love Scotland's glens, and whatever else we lose Please leave us our glens, our glorious glens Our mountains as grand, Ben Nevis, Ben Lomond too You can have all those bens, but leave us our glens Glenfiddich, Glendronach, Glenlivet, Glen Grant Can you do without them? If you must know, I can't Put a drop in the glass of Glen Spey or Glen Drotter It's a perfectly bearable way to drink water I'd willingly lose our culture, or most of it Including that mess they call 'full Highland dress' With the whole ethnic bit of haggis and Hogmanay I'd gladly dispense, but leave us our glens Glenfiddich, Glendronach, Glenlivet, Glen Fall I once knew a man who had sampled them all Glenisla, Glenugie, Glenkinchie, that's plenty He looked sixty-five, but in fact he was twenty Take our Highlands scottische, take our marches, strathspeys and reels Take our old Scottish waltz, but leave us our malts You can take, if you wish, our ladies' conveniences And our gentlemen's - but leave us our glens Glenfiddich, Glendronach, Glenlivet, Glenfyne Was great at communion when we ran out of wine Glenisla, Glenugie, Glenkinchie, Glenmorangie I prefer them to Quantro which I find too orangey Oh breathe there a Scot whose aims and priorities When laid on the line, are different from mine Take our homes, take our jobs, take anything else you will Wife, family and friends, but leave us our glens (as sung by Iain MacKintosh) Susanne´s Folksong-Notizen [1987:] Buff Hardie (lyrics), George Donald (music). Written in 1975. (Hardie / Robertson / Donald, Scotland the What? Collected sketches and songs, Gordon Wright Publ., Edinburgh) [1995:] Glenmorangie [...] has a special kind of floweriness, a delicate yet unmistakeable fragrance, that I find extremely attractive. It is bottled at 70°, ten years old, and [...] is what I would call an all- purpose whisky. It is equally good as a pre- prandial and as a post- prandial drink, and I confess I have drunk it at many other times as well. There is a Glenmorangie which I have drunk at the distillery which is older and more full- bodied than that which is available bottled, possessing more richness and less delicacy than the latter. It goes for blending, of course [...]. At its best, Smith's Glenlivet combines a teasing subtlety of flavour with a distinctive 'nose' and fullness. These are not always sufficiently in evidence when bottled too young, but the firm's own bottling, twelve years old at 80°, gives one everything that could be desired in this noble whisky. I have tasted a Glenlivet put in cask in 1941 and bottled (by Berry Brothers & Rudd) in 1958, and the only note on it which I entered in my whisky scrap- book after the first glass was simply 'a superb whisky'. But later experience of comparing different ages and proofs leads me to believe that additional age over twelve years does not add all that much in quality and (within limits, of course) a twelve- year- old at a higher proof tastes better than an older whisky at a lower proof. But the twelve- year- old is decidedly better than anything younger. [...] How does Glenlivet compare with Glen Grant? In general character they are not dissimilar: each has that smooth integration of peatiness, softness and full sweetness (or almost sweetness) that needs age to bring it out. Like Glenlivet, Glen Grant is conspicuously better at ten or, better still, twelve years old than at, say, five (and it is available at five years old). There is a sharpness about a young Glen Grant that belies its true potential. [...] A well- matured Glen Grant has a splendid smoothness: it is not, perhaps, such a complexly patterned whisky in the combination of 'nose', taste and after- taste that is found in Glenlivet at its best, being a more single- minded whisky, as it were. [...] Glenfiddich [...] has a pleasing dry fragrance [...]. Glenkinchie, which so far as I know is not available as a single whisky but of which I have a sample bottle from an Edinburgh blending firm [...] is a very agreeable whisky, slightly sweeter and perhaps just a trifle sharper than Rosebank. (Daiches, Scotch Whisky. Its Past and Present 170ff) [1998:] Written for 'Scotland the What?' 'Glen Drotter' is probably a made up name in order to get the rhyme. (Pr. comm., ICM) Quelle: Scotland L-Index |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Darowyn Date: 05 Nov 06 - 06:49 AM I don't think that anyone should whinge about what I call regional rhymes. Rhyming mirror with beer would be terrible if I did it, but if it was a song from say Kentucky or Tennessee, it would probably be a genuine rhyme. You'd prbably get away with rhyming squirrel with girl too. In "I want to hold your hand", the Beatles rhyme "I think it's only fair" with "apologise to her". That is a true rhyme in Liverpool to this day. In my own house, my wife Wendy could rhyme book with spook, where coming from the opposite side of the Pennines, I would rhyme book with luck. I add my disdain for Neil Diamond's "brang", and as an example of the way in which perfect rhyming can be destructive and unintentionally comic, Billy Braggs lines go:- "I've always heard it said that love is based on understanding, Until that's true you'll find your stuff all stacked out on the landing " (Actually it might not be entirely unintentional here) Cheers Dave |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Declan Date: 05 Nov 06 - 05:31 AM It never rains in California, but girl let me warn ya I once wrote a song that never saw the light of day about a particular night out in Dublin. There was a very drunken man reciting "poetry" on the night in question. The verse went something like: "The poet was stretched out all over the table, To recite his poetry, he barely was able, His poem spoke of women, It seems he'd his bed full, I quite liked his verse, but his rhyming was dreadful" |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 05 Nov 06 - 01:44 AM It just occurred to me today that one of my favorite CCR songs has this 'rhyming' gem: Dinosaur Victrola Listening to Buck Owens ... Yup, that rhymes! LOL |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Genie Date: 20 Sep 06 - 12:13 PM Yeah, snuffy, they could've at least tried to work in a word like "gasket" instead. ;) Of course, the vocabularily-stumped* would-be rhymer can always fall back on the clever device used by many a troubadour and by Paul Simon in "Mrs. Robinson": And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you should know Oh oh oh What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson? Joltin Joe has left and gone away Hey hey hey. I actually love this song, including that sort of 'cheap rhyme', but it probably only works in a song that's a bit tongue-in-cheek. *OK, I made that word up. Sue me. |
Subject: RE: worst rhyme ever From: Snuffy Date: 20 Sep 06 - 09:12 AM If we're going by the standard that it's the use of a completely inappropriate word in the context solely because it rhymes which makes the rhyme crap, then this must qualify as one of MacColl's less glorious efforts: The old ways are passing and soon will be goneAs for rhyming "platic with "baskets", any comment of mine would be superfluous. Farewell to the blossom and besoms of broomI don't think either of these were intentionally bad, but even the greatest writers have their off days. |
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