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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: akenaton Date: 21 Jun 05 - 04:09 PM Lizzie Cornish....Why are the organisers of "Make poverty history" actively discouraging people from protesting at Gleneagles Hotel, where their protests should at least embarrass the the G8 leaders. Instead we are invited to leave our brains at home and join the politicians at a "feel good " junket in Edinburgh. Well I for one wont be listening to the ageing hypocrits singing of poverty and environmental disaster, while they gorge on cocaine and travel by private jet. Like the anti Iraq war demo, this is an occasion when all we need to do is stand and be counted, and make the politicians understand that these issues can't be treated as a PR exercise, all bleeding hearts and rhetoric for a while, but then its back to business as usual. It's the oldest trick in their book, rub the spiky corners off the protest, emmoliate the protesters with some meaningless figures, then when all the fuss has died down, let the African continue to die in peace. I hope some of the party goers make the effort to get to Gleneagles and make a show of unity where it really counts...Ake |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 21 Jun 05 - 02:00 PM Yes!!! I did it! Thanks Guys for all your help on that! Lizzie x |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:59 PM Thanks Azizi and s6k. I'll try again in a minute! Right then...yesterday something quite extraordinary happened. We went to Honiton in Devon, just down the road from where we live, in Sidmouth. Amongst other things we went into Oxfam to leave a few bits and pieces with them and I bought some more of the 'Make Poverty History' bands that they're selling and picked up a few of their new leaflets. Then, I went into the health shop to buy a few things. It was an incredibly hot day yesterday and there was an elderly lady in there who was obviously 'feeling the heat' somewhat. I joked about the weather and she grinned and told me that her friend who was staying with her found the heatwave very cool! Then her friend came round the corner of the stand, a beautiful lady who apparently was from Tanzania. We laughed and that's when she noticed my Oxfam bracelet. Well....she took hold of my hand and squeezed it so tight, looked right at me....and then her eyes filled with tears! Well....that was it! That sweet woman said more to me with her eyes than a thousand words could ever speak. We just stood there holding hands and then we wished each other well and said goodbye. So...here for everyone to pass on is a new idea and a new website. Oxfam is now doing its own 'Gift Catalogue' but this is unlike any other that you've seen before. These are the 'gifts' that you can buy, except you buy them for the people who really need them on behalf of your friends, (for birthdays), yourselves, the new bride and groom who already have everything, maybe instead of funeral flowers that just waste away: Here is what your money can do: .£6...School dinners for a child. Often their only meal. .£6...2 textbooks for children £10...Essentials for a child £16...50 trees £16...Fills a school satchel £19...Health and hygiene kit £24...A goat "You start with one and end up with a herd" £24...Plants an allotment £30...Building materials £30...Textbooks for an entire class £36...Training a teacher £50...Starts a business for someone £50...Services a truck £64...Teach and support a farmer £70...A cow for a family, the resulting calves go to the village £95...A camel..."the most valued livestock in Somalia.." £100..Basic medicines for an entire village It goes on all the way up to thousands of pounds, buying an entire farmyard stock for villages, training and supporting carers, instilling water supplies etc. Everything is designed to educate people, make them self-sufficient, give them dignity and pride, all the things we take so much for granted. Here's the site: Fingers crossed that it works Azizi and s6k!! So tonight we're all sitting round and deciding what we're going to get. My children are really excited about it and from now on I'm going to include this idea in people's presents too. Let's face it, how many toys..for big people or little people...do we actually need anymore? ENOUGH! I'll let you know what we've decided upon shortly. Take a look at the site it's brilliant! If you had told me a few days back that I'd be on Mudcat urging people to go out and buy a cow....I'd have looked at you as if you were mad! But here I am!! The words above all stem from that sweet lady from Tanzania who literally 'reached out and touched me' yesterday in a small Devon town. I hope that through me she reaches out to you too. Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:23 AM Good grief, what a palaver! All you need to is copy and paste the URL into your post and mark up the html, thus: URL AGAIN |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: s6k Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:40 AM i will paste a simpler way to make the blue clicky. go to the website you wish to include as a blue clicky. in the address bar, click once and the entire address should highlight blue right click it while it is highlighted blue, click copy come to the mudcat window where you are typing your message. underneath the text, click "Make a Link (blue clicky)" a new window will pop up. where it says LINK URL - right click in the text bit and click paste. it will paste the address you copied earlier. now click in LINK TEXT and type in what you want - for example, if you type in VIDEO PAGE, then the words video page will appear in the message, but you will be able to click it and go to that link. IGNORE the bottom 2 fields (mailto and link text) and click create link under where you just made it. the page reloads and a mass of text appears. click and DRAG (hold down mouse and pull across the text) across the text underneath where it says "cut and paste this into post" they will all start with a < and end with > so make sure you get these in.now right click it, as it will be highlighted blue. and right click... copy... then come back to your mudcat message and right click paste into this text box. then submit message as usual done |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Peace Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:33 AM And maybe the pressure put to the G8 members is a way to do just that, GUEST. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:30 AM "GUEST" tries to switch the topic from the needs of children to the egos of adult males The topic is Live 8, the purpose of which is to raise consciousness about and inspire respect for Africa and Africans. This is a music forum and thus a highly appropriate place to highlight the marginalisation of African musicians at an event which is supposed to draw attention to economic disparity. Unlike Live Aid 20 years ago, it is NOT a fundraising event and NOT about handing out short-term aid to children or anyone else. Emotive claptrap about "children's needs" is as patronising and imperialistic as the thankfully abandoned, post-colonial, church missionary approach of selling photographs of "cute piccaninnies" to "help" them. Do have a reality check; what the people of Africa need and deserve is the economic equality to engage with the rest of the world on an equal footing. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:34 AM I see that life is going along as usual here. Only four posts posted until "GUEST" tries to switch the topic from the needs of children to the egos of adult males. --------- A few months ago, my and the DH went to a performance by the African Children's Choir. The children were so delightful and the information given about their plight was so moving that we dipped into our pockets and put whatever we had in the basket. I recommend going to hear them (and taking your kids and grandkids) if they come to your part of the world. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Azizi Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:13 AM Lizzie, it's probably my instructions and not you. I notice my hyperlinks on this thread are showing up blue..I'm simply shocked since they usually show up red. So this is a shout out to sk6, Guest, and others like Brucie who know how to make those blue hyperlinks. Would you please read the instructions that I posted for hyperlinks for accuracy & clarity, and re-writing them as needed? Thanks & Best wishes! Azizi |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: s6k Date: 20 Jun 05 - 10:39 AM yossou n'dour is presenting the Eden concert. but the official live 8 site says he is at paris too, so i dont really know whats going on there. NEWS JUST IN - the sex pistols are reuniting for the London concert with the original lineup CLICK HERE TO READ ABOUT IT i disagree that it will be the highlight of the entire event, seeing as Pink Floyd will be there - but thats going to be interesting - considering Lydon once wore a "I hate pink floyd" shirt! |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:02 AM Africa Calling |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:59 AM One last thing I forgot to mention, with regard to the Radio 2 link and Christy Moore...the first 9 minutes are the presentation of the Award to Christy...How Long starts right after that. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:54 AM Yay!...(((s6k))) Lizzie x |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:52 AM Doh!! Sorry Azizi....let you down there. :0( ....I'm such a dingbat! 'Guest' above....the only reason that I didn't mention Youssou N'Dour is that you were talking about Eden and Youssou is, according to the details, appearing in Paris at the Palace de Versailles. Personally I'd have rather seen him in Eden as it means so much more in a spiritual sense than Versailles. And as to 'White' and 'Black'.....well there's only one 'colour' for people...'Human'...and the sooner we realise that, the better this world will be. So let's stop flinging words at each other. And yes you're right...the date I quoted was wrong for the concerts. It IS July 2nd.....July 6th is the date for Edinburgh. Apologies for that mistake. It was not intentional. Kaleea...you sound a lovely person. What a wonderful thing to do. Good to read your story. Brucie....thank you and it's great to think of your picture being among so many, many others. Well done you. I'm off to study Azizi's instructions again and try to get it right this time! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: s6k Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:44 AM VIDEO PAGE thanks for this! i will watch these eagerly later - christy, martin carthy, kate rusby! PS - for the person that said they have red clickies instead of blue - they are still blue clickies, its just that you have already previously visited that link recently, and so links youve clicked on appear red. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:36 AM Azizi...thanks heaps! Listen...I've sat and read your instructions and tried to follow them as best as I can....so fingers crossed...here goes: For Christy Moore Michael the video is on the Radio 2 F&A homepage, just press 'video'. If the link above doesn't work, then their address is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/playback/ That should take you straight into the video page, but...with me doing it...that may not necessarily be the case of course! ;0) Hope it works. Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Kaleea Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:24 AM I was in the Orient many years ago, and through friends, met a fellow who ran an "orphanage" for the orphans/street kids he found in the city of Taegu, S. Korea. Many of the children had living parents who could not care for them for whatever reason. Mr Yee, his wife and children lived in & slept on straw mats in the same large room, ate the same food, and considered the children as his own. He worked a full time job, and had few donations and managed to take in all the children he found or who came to him or were brought to him. It was such an amazing thing, that I decided to "adopt" one youngster--but from afar back in the states. Mr. Yee held the belief that the young people are valuable resources of the country, & that their country needed them to grow up & become respected members of society-that they deserved this. I sent Mr. Yee $10-15 a month (inflation over the years) until the young man had finished high school. After I became disabled & on a measly monthly amount, I was unable to send funds anymore. I realize that my situation was unusual, since I knew the people & saw the situation for myself. Perhaps there are some of you who travel and know of orphanages or agencies which are dedicated to the welfare of street kids &/or the many children in poverty of this world. As I recall, Audrey Hepburn spent a great deal of time with "street children" and devoting much energy to this cause. Was UNICEF the agency? I would certainly suggest that one should thoroughly investigate the agency & how much of the $$ actually goes to the actual needs of the children. I knew that every won (penny) of the $ I sent to Mr. Yee went for the real needs of the boy-food, shelter, clothing. Somewhat an unusual situation, I'm sure. Here's to people who care enough to try to make this world a better place. Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Peace Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:05 AM The eventual goal is to change the thinking of G8 members who are meeting soon. That will--maybe--raise some cash and help people. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:42 AM The stated motivation of Live 8 is NOT to raise money but to raise consciousness. It's hard to fathom which bit of that you don't understand but one thing is certain; it's failed before it starts. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:22 AM "and leave you to enjoy your nice, white, worthy, middle-class, boring performers" The word is White. I'm White. I ain't all that nice, I ain't all that worthy, I ain't middle-class, and not all the performers are boring. That African performers were not given the respect or main-stage attention they deserve is bad. However, the cause is a good one, and I don't doubt that the screw-up will be rectified for the next concert. It may be one day of token pity, but if it raises millions, then so be it. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:14 AM Lets leave any form of anger or hatred out of this thread . . . and leave you to enjoy your nice, white, worthy, middle-class, boring performers (like Coldplay for chrissake) sporting their trendy white armbands while the African musicians with their hastily-issued, afterthought sop invitations are belatedly and patronisingly shunted off to a greenhouse backwater, well out of sight and vision? Africa Calling actually happens on 2 July (not 6) and the line-up contains one of the finest musicians on the planet, Youssou N'Dour. Shows the extent to which it's penetrated your consciousness. Live 8 fails completely to respect the people of Africa, musicians and ordinary citizens alike. It's one day of token pity which impinges not at all upon the necessity for fundamental changes in economic, political and social attitudes towards people stereotyped as inferior because they have less money and different skins. A Live 8 discussion should be in the music section of the board, not BS, to promote serious reconsideration of the work of these musicians, not to pose for a day pretending to care about the plight of millions of people while watching mainstream rubbish on the television. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:14 PM Post quick Lizzie -- so we can start our lawyers on it Monday morning, crisp and bright (Browne people get no respect) |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: michaelr Date: 19 Jun 05 - 09:24 PM Lizzie -- where did you see Christy sing that Jackson Browne song? |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Azizi Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:51 PM Lizzie, here is the way that I make a hyperlink: 1. I copy the URL {website address} 2. I past the URL into an address field on the top of a page or search engine such as google and then pressed "Go" 3. When I get to that website, I right click on "Properties" 4. When a box appears, I click on "Okay" 5. With my mouse I then "highlight" the URL address for that website 6. I press "Cut" 7. I return to the comment box in the Mudcat thread and click on the "Make a blue clicky" feature on the bottom of this box 8. I paste the URL that I had highlighted into that box. 9. I follow the rest of the instructions in that box {decide what name, if any, I want to use for the hyperlink, type in that name, and then highlight the hyperlink that appears} 10.I copy this hyperlink into my comment This usually works, but as I said it results in a red clicky. Maybe your blue clicky angel will correct any errors I have made so that both of us will become members of the blue clicky crew. Best wishes, Azizi |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Azizi Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:37 PM Lizzie, thanks for starting this thread. I'm not the 'blue' click angel, since for some reason my clickies are always red. But, here are the hyperlinks to the websites you mentioned: The Eden Project Live 8 Concert |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Peace Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:25 PM PS This may end up in BS, but I am sure it'll 'stay on Mudcat'. BM |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Peace Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:16 PM Thanks for the link, Lizzie. All I can do is send a picture, but I'll do that for sure. Funny, because it'll be a picture back to the land of my ancestors. No one deserves to die from malnutrition; no one deserves to die from poverty. Not with the vast riches of this world. I am happy you saw fit to post this thread. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Sorcha Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:00 PM Thank you Lizzie....this is just another atrocity....I shall click and send. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Jun 05 - 05:56 PM Dear 'Guest' above, I've been to Eden...it is, quite simply Beautiful! An extraordinary place. Yet, just a few years ago it was just a hole in the ground, a gravel pit. Tim Smit had the vision and the courage to go ahead and do something when everyone around him told him it would never work. Bob Geldof tends to do the same. Lets leave any form of anger or hatred out of this thread, please....keep that for the politicians who have had the power to do so much for so long and have turned away, back to their fine houses and their fine troublefree lives. I can think of no better place for Peter Gabriel's WOMAD acts to take place. Eden shows what can be done in the face of insurmountable odds. And at night, the three huge domes are lit with floodlights of many beautiful colours against the velvet black backdrop of the vast bowl of hills all around them. Those lights shine up through The Domes to the stars, illuminating plants and trees from all around the world, shining on the waterfalls, the rainforest and the desert. It is simply magical....it will be the most wondrous venue of any of the Live 8 concerts anywhere in the world and to see people like Tinariwen playing there will be incredibly special. It will put Hyde Park in the shade...as will many of the acts that will be appearing at Eden. But I agree with you, the big acts should not be what Live 8 is about. And the African artists should be as much in Hyde Park as they are all around the world. We are all one people. The sooner we all get to realise that the better the world will be. However, I think that Eden is by far the best venue of them all and just for one night it will belong to all those great artists appearing there and the people who go to watch it. And somehow, to have them all in one place brings a very much more powerful message than if all those acts were in different places. It will have far more impact. Live 8 is really about all of the people who have too much helping all of those who don't have anything.....ordinary people, like us, taking control. It should also be about powerful songs that have the where-with-all to make people think.....and a lot of those songs are to be found in the folk world amongst our poets and our protest singers...because my word....do we need to protest about what is going on in this world right now!!! So why not re-direct your anger to the Live 8 site and get your e mail on the way. Make a difference where it will actually help. By the way, here is the Eden Project site and the list of great artists appearing there. I wish I was going.....it will be fantastic! http://www.edenproject.com/245.htm http://www.live8live.com/theconcerts/index.shtml I need my Blue Clicky Angel again! :0) And I'll leave you with some words I heard yesterday from someone's site who is also a Mudcatter...'El Greko'...otherwise known as George Papavgeris... "In countryside like this, your God comes out to greet you. In hills and trees and stones and streams and waterfalls he's there. If you just take a look around you cannot help but wonder. For countryside like this is proof that somebody does care." And THAT is what The Eden Project is all about. George's words ARE Eden! It is not a 'greenhouse'....Eden is a way of life. It is about changing things for the better, proving you can make a difference, taking up the challenge, helping all the local people in a very poor community...and THAT is why, imo, it so fitting for Peter Gabriel, Angelique Kidjo, Maryam Mursal, Salif Keita, Thomas Mapfumo, Tinariwen, Daara J, Shikisha, Ayub Ogada, Modou Diouf and O Fogum to be in exactly that place, for Eden is a very special place and coupled with the artists appearing there, that concert will be the most special of them all....Eden is the concert I shall be looking out for most on Live 8 Day. "Your God comes out to greet you....." No more so than at Eden on July 6th. Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:58 PM Thanks heaps for doing that ((((s6k)))) You can always rely on Mudcatters! Lizzie x |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:57 PM how much I wished that Bob Geldorf (sic) had included people from the Folk World What is at issue is that no African musicans were included in the original line-up. Now they have been thrown the sop of their own concert, safely out of the way in some greenhouse in Cornwall. How fucking patronising. The aim of Live 8 (unlike Live Aid) is to raise consciousness, not money. There is not even the 'excuse' of needing to book so-called 'high profile' acts. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: s6k Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:50 PM i love that song too. |
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Subject: RE: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: s6k Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:49 PM Videos Main Site make poverty history |
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Subject: Lyr Add: HOW LONG (Jackson Browne) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:47 PM I also wanted to say that today I watched Christy Moore singing Jackson Browne's song "How Long?" and how much I wished that Bob Geldorf had included people from the Folk World in his list of artists. The way that Christy interprets that song is wonderful. That song, for me, encompasses what Live 8 is about. If those 8 Leaders were sat down and made to hear Christy singing it whilst watching those videos....well...who knows what might happen!! Here are the lyrics: "How Long?" by Jackson Browne When you look into a child's face And you're seeing the human race And the endless possibilities there Where so much can come true And you think of the beautiful things A child can do How long -- would the child survive How long -- if it was up to you When you think about the money spent On defense by a government And the weapons of destruction we've built We're so sure that we need And you think of the millions and millions That money could feed How long -- can you hear someone crying How long -- can you hear someone dying Before you ask yourself why? And how long will we hear people speaking About missiles for peace And just let it go by How long will they tell us these weapons Are keeping us free That's a lie If you saw it from a satellite With its green and its blue and white The beauty of the curve of the earth And its oceans below You might think it was paradise If you didn't know You might think that it's turning But it's turning so slow How long -- can you hear someone crying How long -- can you hear someone dying Before you ask yourself why? And how long will it be 'till we've turned To the tasks and the skills That we'll have to have learned If we're going to find our place in the future And have something to offer Where this planet's concerned How long? Lizzie x |
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Subject: Every 3 seconds...a child dies...Live 8 From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:40 PM I don't know if this will be allowed to stay on Mudcat...I sincerely hope it will. I've just finished watching the videos on the Live 8 site and I felt that the link should be on Mudcat....and hopefully it will be passed on by loads of people TO loads of people. It was the little baby girl who sleeps on the streets in the 'Toddlers' film that broke my heart....she's not yet two, but she can't walk as rats have bitten her toes. And Lenny Henry saying that "People are dying because they're too poor to live!" and Nelson Mandela telling people "Do not look the other way" And the two little boys who broke down in tears when they were talking of their Mum who had just died of Aids, how they didn't know what to do without her, and their Dad was sick too....he died a few weeks later. So...please..if you've got a few minutes to spare, take a look at the site. Remember that 8 people in this world can make a vast difference to the people in those films and for hundreds of thousands of others. But those 8 people, the most 'important' leaders in the world, WON'T change things unless we DEMAND that they do!! You can e mail Tony Blair from that site, the message is already written out for you, just put your e mail address in and 'send'. That's all you have to do, to add your name to the vast waterfall of people around the world who are trying to stop all this madness. As Lenny said "If enough people make themselves heard, then the world can change forever!" Help them do it! They can't do it without us and we all need to change the way this world is. I say this at the beginning of the Wimbledon Tennis tournament tomorrow, when one of the top young girl players will be appearing in a pair of trainers that Nike have spent £500,000.00 making. They are made with pure gold you see, with Maria's name picked out in pure gold on her heels. Meanwhile, in Africa, another young girl, who has her bed on the pavement, has rats at her toes....not gold on her heels. We need to change things!....Oh we SO need to change things! Here's the site, the first is direct into the videos, the second is the main site: http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/video/ "Every 3 seconds......a child dies." But for the Grace of God, that child could be mine...it could be yours....but we are the lucky ones, aren't we. "Do not look the other way" Lizzie x |
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