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BS: hillary...

tarheel 22 Jun 05 - 04:17 PM
Ebbie 22 Jun 05 - 04:28 PM
Susu's Hubby 22 Jun 05 - 04:33 PM
Donuel 22 Jun 05 - 05:10 PM
Joe Offer 22 Jun 05 - 07:43 PM
DougR 22 Jun 05 - 07:50 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Jun 05 - 07:53 PM
kendall 22 Jun 05 - 08:44 PM
kendall 22 Jun 05 - 08:47 PM
frogprince 22 Jun 05 - 10:15 PM
Bobert 22 Jun 05 - 10:27 PM
Don Firth 22 Jun 05 - 10:31 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jun 05 - 12:16 AM
Wolfgang 23 Jun 05 - 07:39 AM
Don Firth 23 Jun 05 - 12:20 PM
frogprince 23 Jun 05 - 03:40 PM
GUEST,Jon 23 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM
Don Firth 23 Jun 05 - 04:28 PM
Ebbie 23 Jun 05 - 08:07 PM
Biskit 23 Jun 05 - 09:55 PM
Ebbie 23 Jun 05 - 10:54 PM
dianavan 24 Jun 05 - 04:42 AM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 24 Jun 05 - 07:39 AM
Don Firth 24 Jun 05 - 03:10 PM
GUEST,gnu 24 Jun 05 - 03:17 PM
Troll 24 Jun 05 - 05:20 PM
Greg F. 24 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM
Troll 24 Jun 05 - 05:51 PM
artbrooks 24 Jun 05 - 06:18 PM
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Subject: BS: hillary...
From: tarheel
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 04:17 PM

Hillary Clinton visits a primary school in Ithaca, New York to talk about her job as a senator.
After her talk, she offers question time.
One little boy puts up his hand, and the Senator asks him what his name is. "Kenneth."
"And what is your question, Kenneth?"

"I have three questions: First - Whatever happened to your medical health care plan? Second - Why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office? And third - Whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?"

Just then the bell rings for recess.
Hillary Clinton informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess.
When they resume, Hillary says, "Okay, where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?"
A different little boy puts his hand up; Hillary points him out and asks him what his name is. "Larry."
"And what is your question?"

"I have five questions: First - Whatever happened to your medical health care plan? Second - Why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office? Third - Whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House? Fourth - Why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? And Fifth - What happened to Kenneth?"
tar...


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 04:28 PM

Next Question: Why do you hate her so? Seriously. I don't understand.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 04:33 PM

you mean that was a joke?



Hubby ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:10 PM

The first time I heard this joke format, it was about Ashcroft.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:43 PM

Well, Right Wing extremists thrive on fear and scapegoats, and Hillary Clinton is a particularly visible target. It also helps that there are many people in the United States who are afraid of intelligent people, especially if those intelligent people are women. So, Hillary makes a perfect scapegoat.
Too bad. She'd make a wonderful president, but she's been demonized for so long that her chances are slim. Even half-believed bigotry can be very effective.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: DougR
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:50 PM

I don't know, Joe, I think Hillary has a very good shot at winning her party's nomination at least. Sure there are a lot of critics of Hillary and Bill too, but the American people (perhaps even a majority) and certainly the mainstream press appear to overlook their little transgressions. I'm not confident she could be elected, though, and it's not because she is a woman.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:53 PM

More often than not the wives would do a much better job than their husbands in that line of business. But they come in for a kind of hatred that is often worse than is directed at their husbbands. Sort of lightning conductor effect.

cf Cherie Blair.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:44 PM

This guy was driving by the White House when he came to a traffic jam. He sat there a long time, and finally this cop came through the line of stopped cars and explained what was going on. He said that Bush was sitting in the street babbling about his failed policies and the national debt that he has spun out of control,and threatening to set himself on fire with gasoline. They are taking up a collection for him. The man in the stopped car asked how much they have collected, and the cop said "about two hundred gallons."


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:47 PM

What's this I hear that Bush is going to Viet Nam? He didn't get around to it in 1970


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:15 PM

On the slightly more serious side of this again; back during Bill's
admin, I accidentally caught one really classy right wing pundit on the car radio, couldn't even say which one. The guy was ranting because the commie pinko liberal pansies all sucked up so to Hillary.
The immediate flashpoint that set him off?

He read a newspaper account of one of the social events, and the writer mentioned that Hillary appeared in an attractive dress.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:27 PM

This, apparently, boils down to I.Q. points... The less eductated are willin' and ready to jump on anyone they are told to jump on....

Reminds me of the brownshirts in Germany in the 30's... Very similar...

Hey, I don't love Hillary Clinton, or her husband fir that matter, but bottom line, exactlty what has she done wrong???? Anyone have an answer fir this basis question???????????

Didn't think so.....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:31 PM

They decided to put a wax figure of George W. Bush in Madame Tussaud's.

The question came up as to where, exactly, they should put him. Definitely not next to the figure of George Washington, because Washington couldn't tell a lie. They seriously considered beside Richard Nixon because Nixon couldn't tell the truth. Then someone said, "How about beside Ronald Reagan? He couldn't tell the difference!"

After a long and serious discussion, they put him next to Christopher Columbus, because Columbus didn't know where he was going, when he got there, he didn't know where he was, and when he got back, he didn't know where he'd been.

Don Firth

P. S. Actually, though, I would have put him next to Howdy Doody, because they look alike, both have a head full of sawdust, and without someone to pull their strings, neither of them would know what to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 12:16 AM

Ah, Hillary, dear Hillary...nary a day goes by when I am not consumed with passion at the thought of you! I love your power suits, I love your cool hairdo and your smile, I love your taste in shoes. You are the icing on my cake, Hillary. I have sought in vain a certain inflatable item for years now in my admittedly pathetic attempts to establish an undying emotional link with you. I can only hope that you DO become president some day, because then I can visit you at the White House and we can get to know each other at last!

Also, because it will drive tarheel totally nuts, and inconvenience DougR to some extent. ;-)

3 good reasons are good enough for me, eh?

P.S. I am a true fan of William Shatner, so you know I've got what it takes. Wait for me, Hillary! I have waited for you, and shall remain faithful unto death itself!


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:39 AM

I like Ebbie's joke best.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 12:20 PM

The most brilliant and skillful surgeons in the world live in Texas. I can readily cite you an instance. A few decades back, a young cowboy (actually, a rich kid originally from Connecticut) rode his horse up to a barbeque grill, managed to knock the thing over, and the propane tank exploded. All they found of the young cowboy was his 10-gallon hat and the rear end of his horse. Well, they took these remains to a Texas hospital, and a surgeon there managed to reconstruct the whole person from those two items. It was a miraculous display of his skill as a reconstructive surgeon.

That young cowboy now resides in the White House.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 03:40 PM

ROFLMAO, Don. Classic.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM

And the last time I remember reading it, it was directed at GWB. Here is an example:

Questions for Bush

George Bush goes to an elementary school to talk about the war.

After his talk he offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand and Bush asks him what his name is. "Billy" says the little boy.

"And what is your question Billy?"

"I have 3 questions:
First, why did the U.S. invade Iraq without the support of the UN?
Second, why are you president when Al Gore got more votes?
And third, whatever happened to Osama bin Laden?"

Just then the bell rings for recess. George Bush informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess. When they resume, Bush says, "Okay, where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?"

Another boy puts up his hand.

Bush points him out and asks him what his name is. "Steve" says the little boy.

"And what is your question Steve?"

"I have 5 questions:
First, why did the U.S. invade Iraq without the support of the UN?
Second, why are you president when Al Gore got more votes?
Third, whatever happened to Osama bin Laden?
Fourth, why did the recess bell go off twenty minutes early?
And fifth, where the f%#$k is Billy?"

---

Please try harder tarheel...


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 04:28 PM

Most people know that George W. Bush tried to start several businesses, but his attempts didn't go too well. He obtained ownership of an oil company and it soon went broke. Then he became owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team and one of his decisions was to trade Sammy Sosa. Not a brilliant move.

But he did consider another attempt that most people haven't heard too much about. He thought he might enter the furniture manufacturing and repair business. But while taking a tour of the factory his father was willing to buy for him, he fell into an automatic upholstering machine.

He's fully recovered.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:07 PM

But it left a square lump on his back, Don. They just don't make things the way they used to, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Biskit
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:55 PM

Ebbie asked; why do you hate her so?..
Biskit asks; why is it hatred when someone makes a joke (I thought it was (pardon the pun) Hillarious) about Hillary or Bill, and all in good fun when you make jokes about the President? I'd call that a double standard.
Poking fun at the established government is as American as Apple Pie, NO-ONE is immune. You give up your immunity, and your anonimity when you become a public figure.
By the way, I personally like Hillary Clinton,She's tough, and holds to her beliefs,I don't agree with everything she believes in,or stands for, anymore than I agree with everything the President is doing, If she runs, and if she is commited to do things I agree with, that I think will help the American People, and the rest of the world she'll get my vote. But before you call a little joke, bashing,..read the previous submissions to this thread.
Peace! Through Understanding
Biskit


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:54 PM

Biskit, I was referring to the right wing's (of which tarheel is a proud member) fear and hatred of Hillary Clinton. I have never read a comprehensive reason for it. It is like each one quotes the other one and not one seems to know what they are talking about.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: dianavan
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:42 AM

Ebbie - They fear her because she's intelligent and they hate her because she is an intelligent woman. More than anything else it is because they feel threatened.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 07:39 AM

Aha! Now there's the real truth of the matter. Strong and intelligent dames strike terror in the hearts of most men...

I like 'em.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 03:10 PM

Hillary is a woman, she's intelligent, she tends to be a liberal, and she is not inclined to take any crap off of anyone. Some folks (including, oddly enough, a lot of women) find that unseemly. Or frightening.

Although I think she'd be a good president (a helluva lot better than what we've had within recent decades), I don't think she has a realistic chance of being nominated or elected to the office. Karl Rove and the rest of the right-wing character assassins (a whole platoon of talk-show demagogues—an army of Orcs) would go into full-attack mode, and among other things, most assuredly trot out the "Whitewater scandal" (although she and Bill were not perpetrators of the scam, they were victims—they lost $60,000 on the deal), and anything else they think they could use to throw mud with. If she were the Democratic nominee in 2008, I'm ready to campaign for her and vote for her. But believe me, the Repubs would raise "negative campaigning" to a whole new level. Nasty? You ain't seen nothin' yet!

And the American public will most probably buy it.

Truth? HAH!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 03:17 PM

She's got my vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Troll
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 05:20 PM

She is a person who has an insatiable thirst for power and she doesn't care what she has to do to get it. She first demonatrated it (to me, at least) with her "We are the President" line. She continued to show it by remainding married to Bill Clinton even after he shamed her, himself, and his office- because she loved him?- no, because she needed his office to further her own ambition.

She could put together a health package that was so far out in left field taht her own party would not accept it. But she has learned to make herself appear more centrist these days.

This is not to say that she is not an able politician and an intelligent woman. She is certainlly all of that.

But I do not believe that she has any motivation other than the acquisition of power for herself.

Don, you say that she doesn't take any crap off of anyone? Does this include the airport guard that she ordered her van not to stop for in -I believe- 2002 during her campaign for the Senate. I've also heard that she is less than nice to underlings when the press isn't around.

I don't have and quotable instances right now but I have read and heard that she can be real nasty with little or no provocation. If I can find references I will post them.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM

"Less than Nice"? "Nasty"?? "Thirst for Power"???? Puh-Leeze.

And then there's Bolton, Rove, Rummie, Rush, Frist, DeLay & on & on & on & on & on & on .....

You BuShite Worshippers really need to get a grip on reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Troll
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 05:51 PM

Nice to see you too Greg.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:18 PM

The "we are the President" line is an often-quoted statement, but no-one has ever come up with any witnesses to it ever having been said. And as for remaining married to Bill after his dishonorable act? Good for
her - it shows that she is more mature than he was.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Troll
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:28 PM

I ran it through Snopes and there is no verifiable witness. I therefore recant and will use that quote no more.

troll

But I STILL don't like her or trust her.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:34 PM

troll: "She is a person who has an insatiable thirst for power and she doesn't care what she has to do to get it." I can't begin to imagine what personal knowledge you have of her, troll, that makes you able to unequivocably say that.

That's what I mean, artbrooks. The HillaryHaters come up spouting the same lines every time, perhaps in the hope that saying it will make it so. (?)

I keep suspecting that if a MAN had the same personality and attributes that Hillary Clinton has those traits would suddenly become not only acceptable, but admirable.

It has never occurred to me to think that Senator Clinton is perfect or super human- nor do I think that of anyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:52 PM

Perhaps one should look at a rewrite of part of the last post:

______________________________________________________________________
The BushHaters come up spouting the same lines every time, perhaps in the hope that saying it will make it so. (?)

I keep suspecting that if a LIBERAL had the same personality and attributes that George Bush has those traits would suddenly become not only acceptable, but admirable.
______________________________________________________________________


Equally valid, and of the same level of accuracy. But I expect to be jumped on for pointing this out...


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 07:03 PM

"She is a person who has an insatiable thirst for power and she doesn't care what she has to do to get it."

There's proof for why I don't think she has a chance of getting the Democratic nomination. That sort of assertion with nothing substantial to back it up, and unfortunately there are a lot of Democrats who think the same way. All someone has to do is say it and awa-a-a-a-a-a-ay we go!

Change the gender and that could apply to any number of male politicians. Shall I list a few Republicans? Even if it were true of Hillary, since when has that been a disqualification for office?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 07:33 PM

I ain't jumpin', bb, but the difference is that the bush's proclivities as shown by his record are easily displayed and verified. Not true of the reverse- it is only rhetoric.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:06 PM

A very debatable point. There are those of us who feel that Hillary's actions HAVE demonstrated her willingness to ignore the rules in going after what she wants.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:09 PM

What actions ? Can you name them ? Or are you just repeating what "they" all say on AM radio ?


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:11 PM

OOPS - That guest beardedbruce post was from me. I got it on the wrong line, sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:34 PM

Right, BB. I hear lots of general allegations, but I don't hear anything about specific instances. Documentation, please.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:42 PM

VInce Foster- Try asking any EMT whether a suicide would still have the gun IN his hand.

Medical plan- Illegal "star chamber", which she tried to keep secret.

Papers that magically appear on the table long after they are requested by a grand jury.

OK, now please give me the concrete examples of what Bush has done that are violations of the law, and not just actions that you don't apporve of.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:50 PM

Those are allegations, BB. Why should I, or anybody, believe they are true?

Documentation, please.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:53 PM

So if Rush said it on the air it must be true ??


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:05 PM

I would not know, having never listened to Rush.



So all your somments about Bush can be verified, and are not YOUR allagations? Why should I believe anything YOU say?


Perhaps ALL would be better off if we looked at what was being said, and tried to find out the FACTS instead of making decisions based on a pre-defined political reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:31 PM

Diversionary tactic there, BB. We're talking about allegations made against Hillary Rodham Clinton. And you seem to want to turn it into a discussion on Bush's many transgressions. That would be ridiculously easy to document (how much time have you got?), but let's get back to the subject. About those crimes of Hillary's that you were going to document.

Yes? we're waiting. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:47 PM

" ...a discussion on Bush's many transgressions. That would be ridiculously easy to document (how much time have you got?), "

Actually, I fail to see any documentable evidence at all. If there was, why haven't there been any charges?


And that is my answer to your request for documentation of HRC's "crimes". You claim that there are so many that Bush hass committed, yet there is no evidence- SO WHY DO YOU DEMAND that I support my OPINION with evidence when you are unable to support yours?


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:59 PM

Because the subject of this thread is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Got nuthin', eh?

As far as Bush's transgressions are concerned, they've been well dooumented many times by others in many places, including several threads right here on Mudcat, many of which you, yourself, have participated in, so you know full well how to find it. I see no point in my my taking the time to duplicate the work of others merely for your benefit when it's obvious that you'd dismiss it even if it were written across the heavens in letters of fire.

Now. Back to Hillary. We're still waiting.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: John P
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 10:02 PM

Re: Hillary wanting power, and being willing to do what it takes to get it: Isn't that a description of any politician of any party, anywhere? If craving power disqualifies a person for a position of power, we'd have a hard time getting any one to run for office. Just think, though, what a great world it would be if we could identify qualified people who DON'T want power and put them in office . . .

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 11:30 PM

Didn't Thomas Jefferson propose that ? I seem to recall that he thought it was a good idea to find a qualified person for the job of President and make them take the office. He was suspicious of anyone who would actually seek out the position.

So am I. We should all be wary of anyone who wants to be the president.


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: GUEST,Marks
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 11:37 PM

I can be open minded about Hillary, but I sure would like to know if anybody can point to something she has actually accomplished.
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 03:05 AM

It seems that those who want power the most are those least suitable to wield it.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: hillary...
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 03:42 AM

Guest Marks, do you mean accomplished in the Senate? As a rookie Senator, it is not expected that she will make a big mark- but I'm surprised how often one reads about various issues and measures she is involved with.

As a human being she has accomplished a good bit- she and her husband reared a good person. It's hard to ask for anything more important.


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