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Chord Req: 10 cents a dance

GUEST,Raggytash 24 Jun 05 - 04:24 AM
Joe Offer 24 Jun 05 - 05:09 AM
GUEST,Raggytash 24 Jun 05 - 05:29 AM
Raggytash 24 Jun 05 - 06:45 PM
Joe Offer 25 Jun 05 - 01:33 AM
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Subject: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:24 AM

Does anyone have the chords for the Rodgers & Hart song "10 cents a dance"

Cheers

Raggytash


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 05:09 AM

Hi, Raggytash. Lyrics are from Lyrics world, chords from a Hal Leonard Fakebook. Oy, and such chords they are...
-Joe Offer-


Ten Cents A Dance
(as sung by Ruth Etting)
Words by Lorenz Hart and Music by Richard Rodgers (1930)

-charted at #5 (1930)


Eb          Eb dim Fm7             Bb7
Ten cents a dance, that's what they pay me
Eb               F7      Bb7
Gosh, how they weigh me down
Eb          Eb dim Fm7         Bb7
Ten cents a dance, pansies and rough guys
Eb7             Ab      Dmin7 G7
Tough guys who tear my gown

C7b9                Fm
Seven to midnight I hear drums
C7b9                  Fm
Loudly the saxophone blows
D9                      Gm
Trumpets are tearing my eardrums
C7b9                F7 Bb7
Customers crush my toes

Eb          Eb dim Fm7         Bb7
Sometimes I think I've found my hero
Eb7         Ab      Dmin7 G7
But it's a queer romance
C7b9                   Fm7b5
All that you need is a ticket
Eb/Bb G+   Abmaj7 A7b5 Bb7          EB
Come on,   big    boy, ten cents a dance!



NOTE: Don't try to find these chords on an Autoharp...


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 05:29 AM

Thanks Brilliant ......... Thanks Joe


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:45 PM

Oh bugger, either them chords don't work or my aging fingers and ears don't bend the right way ....................... anybody got any simple chords for that don't include minor diminshed 9th or 7th !!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 01:33 AM

Hi, Raggytash - I was wondering why you didn't groan about those chords in your first response. I can't even imagine some of them. I also have the song in The Rodgers and Hart Songbook - and the chords are even worse. I'll keep looking.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 03:02 AM

Hi Joe
Eb I can manage Eb dim just doesn't sound right even when I placed my fingers slowly one by one in the right places and used only the strings indicated in the chord diagram ! and when I transposed it into C it still didn't sound correct unless I went from C to Am, still working on it. The version I have on CD is by Marilyn Middleton Pollock so I'll just have to work away unless someone can post an easier chord chart

Cheers

Raaggytash


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:52 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 06:22 AM

Raggy

Here's the version above transposed to C (I think you're implying that's where you want to play it). You should be able to make the Cdim chord sound OK by playing it 5X454X (ie with A in the bass; I'd use a bar on 4 and use fingers 2 on (6) and 3 on (3), but you might prefer right hand fingers 3,1,4,2 on (6)(4)(3)(2)). But if you want to skip the Cdim (Adim) you can replace it with Am as you suggested above. The other chords you can simplify by removing the alterations and extensions from the 7th chords - make all those 9th and altered 9ths the dominant 7th chords. It's not quite as interesting (in fact I'd change some of those min7ths to min9ths myself) but it'll do. If you don't want to play the Fmaj7 just use Fmajor. I'd try and play the E+ but if you don't like it just use E major. I've put the simplified version after the transposed one.

Hope this helps.

Mick




TEN CENTS A DANCE
Rogers and Hart

C          C dim Dm7             G7
Ten cents a dance, that's what they pay me
C                D7      G7
Gosh, how they weigh me down
C          C dim Dm7         G7
Ten cents a dance, pansies and rough guys
C7             F      Bmin7 E7
Tough guys who tear my gown

A7b9               Dm
Seven to midnight I hear drums
A7b9                Dm
Loudly the saxophone blows
B9                      Em
Trumpets are tearing my eardrums
A7b9                D7 G7
Customers crush my toes

C          C dim Dm7         G7
Sometimes I think I've found my hero
C7          F       Bmin7 E7
But it's a queer romance
A7b9                   Dm7b5
All that you need is a ticket
C/G E+    Fmaj7   F#7b5 G7         C
Come on,   big    boy, ten cents a dance!



(Simplified Chords)

C          Am    Dm7               G7
Ten cents a dance, that's what they pay me
C             D7       G7
Gosh, how they weigh me down
C          Am    Dm7         G7
Ten cents a dance, pansies and rough guys
C7             F       Bmin7 E7
Tough guys who tear my gown

A7                Dm
Seven to midnight I hear drums
A7                   Dm
Loudly the saxophone blows
B7                      Em
Trumpets are tearing my eardrums
A7                D7 G7
Customers crush my toes

C          Am    Dm7          G7
Sometimes I think I've found my hero
C7          F       Bmin7 E7
But it's a queer romance
A7                     Dm7
All that you need is a ticket
C/G E+    Fmaj7   F#7 G7          C
Come on,   big    boy, ten cents a dance!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 12:05 PM

Michael ......... as ever you're a star, I think I can work with those chords ......... watch this space

Thanks

Nick


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 02:43 PM

Raggy (and Joe) you can use this principle for most songs to simplify the chords. Normally it's done the other way, replacing the simpler chords with the extended ones, but you can reverse it:


Replace                   With
maj7, maj9, 6, add9, 6/9 major       eg Cmaj7 -> C, C6/9 -> C
9, 9b5, 9#5               dominant 7th   G9b5 -> G7
13, 13b5, etc             dominant 7th   G13   -> G7
min6                      minor          Dm6   -> Dm


(I'd normally try and keep min7 as min7, but if you can't, replace it with the simple minor chord.) The m7b5 (eg Dm7b5 above) has the same notes as a minor 6th chord a minor 3rd above (Fm6 for Dm7b5) so you can replace it with that or just the minor a minor 3rd above (Fm for Dm7b5); or you can try the simple minor (Dm in this case)

The dimished chord is more of a problem since it can have several functions. Often it's a passing chord in a sequence like: C C#dim Dm7 G7, where you get the nice chromatic bass run C-C#-D, in this case you can just keep the original C chord going: C C Dm7 G7. However the dim7 chord sometimes replaces 9b5 chords - see other Mudcat discussions on the diminished chord for this.

The augmented chord above is written as E+, but this is the same as C+ (the version I have in Eb gives the sequence as Eb Eb+) and you can keep the C chord going if you don't want to use the augmented.

There are other chords (eg various types of 11 and other minors) but the ones above are the ones you'll come across most often. If you use the simpler chords the worst that's likely to happen is that the extension or altered note is the melody note and you'll lose it from the accompaniment chord.

If you can do the extended and altered chords it can make the accompaniment sound really good, but be aware that often you need to find the right place to play the chord to make the sequence sound good - often to get good bass movement. If you're not familiar with the sequences you may need to try various fingerings of the chords to find a satisfying one.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:01 AM

interesting that ..... Thanks Mick


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:39 AM

The substitutions I've reversed above are the sort of things that jazz musicians routinely used. They aren't the only type of substitutions that are used, but with the lead sheets of standard songs they are likely to cover most of your needs for simplifying the chords. When you've simplified them you can always try sprucing some of them up afterwards.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:44 AM

That Guest was me, thanks again Mick I'll have yet another go at it tonight


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:48 AM

what about the start of it "i work at the palace"....


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: balladeer
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 11:54 AM

Sometimes I forget what an amazing resource Mudcat is! ... I recorded Ten Cents in 2000 and I'd attach an mp3 here if I knew how ... Paul Mills accompanied me on it then and I was just thinking I'd like to try playing my own accompaniment, so I went on line looking for the changes ... and of course the search brought me right to this thread! ... Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 04:05 PM

Here's something I've noticed many times in music. The editors who put the chords on a song seem to think they are doing music theory rather than giving instructions to the accompanist (acc for short).

To take a simple example, supposed a measure has the notes ACE and G in it. The editor writes "Am7." But actually, if the acc plays Am7, it's extra work and may be too harsh. We can have the acc just do the Am chord and let the singer sing the G. When you put it together, all the harmony Am7 is there. This can give the singer the chance to add expression or to make the dissonant note special in her own way.

Here's a video of Ella Fitzgerald doing this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN2bkQMs4Zw

I don't think the acc is doing any of those fancy chords. The violins, etc, don't sound jazzy, they sound smooth and pretty. They are letting Ella do all the bluesy half-steps and are not overwhelming her line. (This is in the second half of the song.)
At one point the trumpet shows off, but it's while she is ending a line.

2. And then there are the editors who see the notes A C E and F# and say "I don't know what the heck that is! I'll just say Am7." The result is pretty awful as the F# in the melody crashes head-on into the G of the Am7 chord. This is definitely a time for the acc to stick with Am and for the lead to have the F# all to herself.

(I have seen editors put D7 on a measure with D F# A B in it.)

The environment makes a difference. Dissonance which is okay in a football stadium can be too, too much in a living room with a wood floor.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 05:07 PM

Leeneia--you are right about the editors--I've worked with the people who make sheet music and songbook arrangements, and they tell me that the printed chords are an afterthought. They are just concerned with working out a playable piano arrangement. Often,nobody even plays the chords through on a guitar to see whether they work or not.

This is funny to me, because most of us really only use the sheet music for the chords and the melody line. Even the keyboard players just use the chords to work out an arrangement in whatever style that they play.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 10:58 PM

I agree, Stim. I was surprised one day to learn that the pianist at my church, who majored in organ and piano, pays no attention to the accompaniments provided by the publishers. She just looks at the chords and lets rip.

But my point was not merely that the chords are wrong. Editors seem to think the chord symbols are music theory - they say what chord the notes make up, rather than what chord would sound best. The acc doesn't have to duplicate the melody.

By the way, today I was paging through the Hal Leonard Co's 'Celtic Fake Book.' They had the well-known song 'I Know Where I'm Going' in the key of E. One measure had the notes E and B. Now the notes in the chord E are E-G#-B, so you'd think that the E chord would be just the ticket. But what did Hal Leonard call for?

C#m7. Num!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: 10 cents a dance
From: GUEST,Really?
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 02:17 PM

There's only the chords for the chorus here. What about the entire rest of the song? This doesn't even count as a full tab.


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Subject: ADD: Ten Cents a Dance (Rodgers & Hart)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 04:06 PM

Ah, the infallible superiority of the anonymous poster....

I don't know from chords, but I can supply the lyrics our infallible Guest failed to post. Other anonymous Guests tell us that competent musicians have no need for chords. I disagree, but I don't have chords...

TEN CENTS A DANCE
Lyrics by Lorenz Hart, music by Richard Rodgers

VERSE
I work at the Palace Ballroom,
But gee, that Palace is cheap;
When I get back to my chilly hail room
I'm much too tired to sleep.
I'm one of those lady teachers,
A beautiful hostess, you know,
The kind the Palace features
For only a dime a throw.

REFRAIN
Ten cents a dance? That's what they pay me;
Gosh, how they weigh me down!
Ten cents a dance? Pansies and rough guys,
Tough guys who tear my gown!
Seven to midnight, I hear drums.
Loudly the saxophone blows.
Trumpets are tearing my eardrums.
Customers crush my toes.
Sometimes I think
I've found my hero,
But it's a queer romance.
All that you need is a ticket.
Come on, big boy, ten cents a dance!

PATTER
Fighters and sailors and bowlegged tailors
Can pay for their tickets and rent me!
Butchers and barbers and rats from the harbors
Are sweethearts my good luck has sent me.
Though I've a chorus of elderly beaux,
Stockings are porous with holes at the toes.
I'm here till closing time.
Dance and be merry, it's only a dime.

TAG
Sometimes I think
I've found my hero,
But it's a queer romance.
All that you need is a ticket.
Come on, big boy, ten cents a dance!

from the 1930 musical, Simple Simon
Published March 1930. Introduced by Ruth Etting.
copyright held by Warner Brothers

from The Complete Lyrics of Lorenz Hart, edited by Dorothy Hart and Robert Kimball (New York: Da Capo Press, 1986 & 1995), page 151


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