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BS: Make pottery history

GUEST,Skipy 24 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM
Rapparee 24 Jun 05 - 04:44 PM
The Shambles 24 Jun 05 - 04:51 PM
sixtieschick 24 Jun 05 - 06:13 PM
Le Scaramouche 24 Jun 05 - 06:23 PM
Amos 24 Jun 05 - 08:50 PM
John Hardly 24 Jun 05 - 08:54 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 24 Jun 05 - 09:39 PM
John Hardly 24 Jun 05 - 10:31 PM
LadyJean 25 Jun 05 - 12:39 AM
Le Scaramouche 25 Jun 05 - 11:05 AM
sixtieschick 25 Jun 05 - 02:43 PM
LadyJean 25 Jun 05 - 10:36 PM
sixtieschick 25 Jun 05 - 11:06 PM
Big Al Whittle 26 Jun 05 - 03:41 AM
Fibula Mattock 26 Jun 05 - 07:05 PM
The Shambles 27 Jun 05 - 06:31 AM

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Subject: BS: Make pottery history
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM

That's what archeologists do!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:44 PM

Shards, actually. Although I have been to parties were pot was blown....


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:51 PM

That's rubbish!


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: sixtieschick
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:13 PM

And He created a woman
with just a hundred pounds of clay
oh yes he did, do bee do...


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:23 PM

Betcha I was one of the only 7 year olds who could date pottery shards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:50 PM

Because ordinary peers wouldn't go out with you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: John Hardly
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 08:54 PM

I would think that dates with pottery shards would be very hard on the teeth. Like figs with broken glass. Or Shredded Wheat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 09:39 PM

We have a "shard yard" where we toss any rejects from our pottery biz. Our daughter jokes that some future archeologist is going to dig it up and conclude that 21st century American pottery was cracked, warped, runny, blebby, flakey, and that the glazes looked like crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: John Hardly
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 10:31 PM

I've been having lots of indepth conversation with my good friend and musical partner who also happens to be professor of archaeology at Notre Dame. We've been talking about the implications of flawed archaelogical practices in the previous century and how those flaws parallel the modern art world.

It all started when he was describing to me how bad practices at digs had severely damaged archaeology.

Seems it was common practice to go into a dig, look for and save what appeared to be of interest, catalogue it, and...

...discard the rest.

He told me of a particulary funny (funny if it wasn't so tragic) story. An archaeologist set about sifting through a dig that was huge -- some 60 ft deep. FULL of shards. FULL. Anyway, as was the practice, this scientist started collecting the interesting pieces from among the shards and discarding the plainer pieces that held no interest.

It wasn't until he had transported the saved contents from the dig back to his university setting, that he started to try to piece some of the shards together. He was startled to find that he was able to assemble every last damn pot into perfect pot tops. Yup, tops. Had he taken the time to do the dig properly he would have discovered that in actuality, the entire dig was full of complete, yet broken pots. In that historical community the pottery was decorated at the top and the bottom portion was left plain.

Whadda rube.

This method of archaeology left the better part of the story of history discarded yet again, leaving the "interesting" part of the dig to define the era of the dig for us.

But now art academia is doing it for us and saving the archaeologist the trouble *rolleyes*. Before our pots ever make it to the land fill they have already been assessed by the enlightened few as to the worthiness of them to be archived -- and that academia being driven by ever less and less objectivity as to the value of pottery and how it truly fits in and defines our current culture.

If pottery is history then so am I. Man, I feel old.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: LadyJean
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:39 AM

My mother was a potter. She never minded when someone broke something she made, because it meant she could make a new one. Now, of course, I go into a decline if one of her pieces is broken, because it means I've lost a piece of her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:05 AM

I knew I was leaving myself wide open, but how else to say it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: sixtieschick
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:43 PM

Archeologists discovered a pot filled with what they thought were fossilized cocoa beans in Guatemala. A botanist identified them as criollo beans, the original type of cacao cultivated in Mesoamerica. It was not until they were sent to a lab for chemical analysis that it was discovered that they were made of clay.

Cocoa beans were used as currency in ancient Mesomamerica and there were counterfeiters back then too.

M.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: LadyJean
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:36 PM

As a confirmed chocoholic that story makes my day. In colonial Mexico, ladies just couldn't stop drinking chocolate, even in church. Finally the bishop of Mexico City preached a sermon against chocolate at mass. The ladies were furious. But, after due consideration, sent him a letter of appology, and a big box of chocolate.
Of course the chocolate was poisoned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: sixtieschick
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:06 PM

Lady Jean, here is your story, mostly from the horse's mouth:

"The English-American, His Travail by Sea and Land, or a New Survey of the West Indies." by Thomas Gage, 1684:

"The woman of that City it seems pretend much weaknesse and squeamishnesse of the stomack, which they say is so great, that they are not able to continue in the Church while a Mass is briefly hudled over, much less while a solemn high Masse (as they call it) is sung, and a Sermon preached, unlesse they drink a cup of hot Chocolate, and eat a bit of sweet-meats dto strengthen their stomackes. For this purpose it was much used by them to make their maids bring to them a cup of hot Chocolate...The Bishop perceiving this abuse, and having given faire warning for the omitting of it, but all without amendment, though it fit to fixe in writing upon the Church dores an excommunication against all such as should presume at the time of service to eat or drinke within the Church."

The ladies disobeyed. One day, the men drew their swords against the priests and canons who attempted to snatch the chocolate away from the ladies. The clergy then abandoned the town church. From then on, services took place in convents and churches where the ladies were permitted to drink chocolate. At this point the Bishop fell ill.

Said Gage, "A gentlewoman with whom I was well acquainted in that City, who was noted to be somewhat too familiar with one of the Bishops Pages, was commonly censured to have prescribed such a cup of Chocolate to be ministered by the Page which poysoned him...And it afterwards became a Proverbe that in that Country, Beware of the Chocolate of Chiapa...The Women of this City...have learned from the Devil many enticing lessons and baits...and if they cannot have their willes, they will surely work revenge either by Chocolate or Conserves, or some present, which shall surely carry death along with it."

Yikes!

Miriam


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:41 AM

make it history....you mean we all use paper cups?
imagine....life as one long picnic


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 07:05 PM

As an archaeologist I would like to say that the best method of digging is to be as vague as possible about everything as then no one can pin any blame on you and it can't come back and bite you on the ass later. At least that's what I tell all my students. If you add a bit of waffle about theory then you can make it sound vaguely plausible.

p.s. there's a complete lack of pottery from Iron Age Ireland. What's that all about, eh? You could be on to somehing weelittledrummer...


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Subject: RE: BS: Make pottery history
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 06:31 AM

With Polystyrene Stonehenges - anything is possible.


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