BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 10:28 PM

McGrath, That's a well thought out term - I would have no difficulty with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 08:29 PM

On ski lifts?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 07:23 PM

Hehehe. Yup. Fuckin freezin.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 06:42 PM

Aren't they all the same sex up there in Canada anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 06:05 PM

Hehehehe. Not a brain in the head. At least we have a CIVILization. Go crawl back under your rock, slime. And, at least try to think of an original name to hide behind you fucking coward. Last response to that piece of shit troll, I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,Memory of Martin Gibson
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 03:29 PM

I am still very glad that fags cannot marry in America.

Your civilization stinks, Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:35 PM

There's a term "covenant relationship" which rather neatly sidesteps this argument about words.   The term can cover a whole range of situations where people pledge to spend the rest of their lives together. Traditional marriage isn't the only one. It gets used in relation to people in religious communities making solemn vows, as well as partnerships between couples.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:10 PM

Good point, James. But, don't give ANY Canuck civil servant the idea of re-writing all of the Marriage Act, the Divorce Act or whatever act. Jeepers, can you imagine how many person-years a crack fed employee could get funds for? Break the budget it would.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:03 PM

A bigot is one who would deny rights to other people. I do not want to deny gays the right to form a union. I just want them to call it something else. It will never be considered a marriage to the majority of canadians, and that will not change. It could quite easily be referred to as a Civic Union - A Registered union - A same gender union or whatever (with all rights assured). Two men in a relationship is not the same as a man and a woman in a relationship and never will be.

In the N. Ireland article above, even the gays recognise that their relationships are different from heterosexual relationships and state that


"Same gender couples are not looking for heterosexual marriages, it's something different. We want our relationships recognised by law to protect us and give us the rights as a couple."

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 01:09 PM

Mind ,the logic of that first button would be that it is all right being nasty to those kinds of people, because they were probably bigots in a previous life, so serve them right.

There's a lot to be said for using what we recognise as bigotry and prejudice in other people as an occasion to search out the bigotries and prejudices which we harbour ourselves, and of which we are completely unconscious.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: LilyFestre
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 10:14 PM

I have a button that hangs on the ceiling of my car that reads:

May all bigots return to their next life as a disabled, homeless, gay woman of color.

Another (rainbow) button reads Who do you think made the homosexuals? Which is imposed on the big white bubble letters that spell out GOD. Likely would irritate half the folks in my church and frankly, I don't care.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 09:12 PM

gay marriage in space.

A growing concern that requires a United Nations resolution.
If not - The United States has the moral obligation to act unilaterally!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 08:21 PM

...Desperate Straights...

Chapter 7.

Reggie was cool skin deep but inside he was as nervous as a cat in the water. The 50 foot catamaran was nearing Canadian waters in moderate seas. Reggie knew a thousand things could still go wrong; the video camera might malfunction, The Coast Guard might try to board them, Jerry Falwell and Donald Rumsfeld might wake up from the 2 roofies they were given prematurely, or not at all.

Desperate men with desperate plans are a recipe for disaster but so far so good. Reggie's friendship with Rumsfeld's daughter in Connecticut was the lynch pin to spirit Donald upon the sailboat without a hitch. Reggie was still reeling with surprise at how easy it was to lure Jerry onboard with the promise of Thai hookers back in Lynchburg Virginia. All the way down the river from Lynchburg the crew was were scared but once they made it to Connecticut and got Donald, everyone had a sense of relief, although it was undeserved.

Once the marriage ceremony was video taped, getting their captives back to the world without undue suspicion would require a miracle.
Bruce, Telly and Captain Raynam were now accustomed to miracles.

Bruce yelled down from the wheel, "The GPS says were now in Canadian waters!". Reggie want down to dress the groom and groom to be...

"Do you Donald Rumsfeld wish to released to Canadian officials?"
"I do"
"and do you Jerry Falwell wish to be released as well?"
"I do"
Reggie thought to himself 'editing this tape will be a cinch'.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 07:56 PM

And verbal abuse is not the same as reasoned argument. And I'd like to hope the difference is obvious to most people...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 06:57 PM

"so the rest of us straight people will be around"

Your being straight has nothing to do with it... you being an old bigot is what I was on about... the world is, day by day, losing more and more of your kind... and the sooner we're quit of yas, the better... The earth is calling to you... go down into it

and I'll quote what guest above said here again, just cause you seem to need to have everything repeated...

Jimmy - Sexual preference is not the same thing as sexual abuse.

The difference is obvious to most people.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 01:40 PM

Jimmy - Sexual preference is not the same thing as sexual abuse.

The difference is obvious to most people.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 11:34 AM

Paedophilia is a red herring here, as would be bestiality. They are both a kind of rape, like any kind of sexual activity that is imposed on a weaker partner.

But this stuff about "civil unions" and "marriage" really is just about terminology. No different from "what is folk" really"... Language changes, and sometimes it changes in what seems a silly way to many people, that's all. And you can't do much about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 11:19 AM

Peace, The Charter of rights states " that no oine can be discriminated against because of their Sexual Preference., that wording does not exclude anybody, therefore Pedophiles are not excluded under the charter. I realize that there would be a huge outcry if they tried to isist on their rights, but the text of the charter does not exclude anyone ?.

Clinton,

Only 1 to 2% of the population of Canada is gay, so the rest of us straight people will be around for quite a while. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 03:14 AM

Some of my best friends are....gay-and that's just one facet of their being. It's their perogative to do what they want to do, and mine to do what I want.

What the world needs now is love. I applaud Canada for being the progressive nation that the USA should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 02:37 AM

"It also proposed that the council's wedding room, the Cherry Room, should not be used for such registrations."

Are you saying that the 'Cherry Room' must have a woman in it? Sounds sexist to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,mapples
Date: 04 Jul 05 - 11:44 PM

Who can condemn love, commitment, caring between 2 adult humans albiet what sex they are. I think the world can use a little more of it. Let's erase all ridiculus mores that have been manifested by power controlling religions, that have forgotten what the meaning of truth, love, tolerance and above all forgiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jul 05 - 04:05 PM

One more thing. Your right to swing your fist stops at the end of my nose. If two men or two women marry, it is not really any of my business. It isn't really any of my business when a man and a woman or a woman and a man marry, either. I fail to see how the new law is detrimental to your marriage. I guess I just don't understand your objection. No offence to you, Jimmy.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 04 Jul 05 - 04:03 PM

This just in from N. Ireland

Gay couples have been banned from holding civil partnership ceremonies in a County Antrim council's wedding room.
New legislation being introduced in December will enable same-sex civil partnership registrations in the UK.

However, such acts are to be excluded from Lisburn Borough Council's marriage suite, following a proposal by Alliance councillor Seamus Close.

Gay rights activists said the move was "discriminatory". Mr Close said it made a distinction with marriage ceremonies.

"My objection is that there's a lot of interchange of language used here," he said.

"People are already referring to same-sex marriages, which is a total and absolute contradiction of terms. A wedding is a union between a man and a woman.

"Under the Civil Partnership Act, this is same-sex registration.

"So it's to draw that distinction and it's to afford the proper dignity and distinction to a wedding as opposed to a civil partnership."

The Civil Partnership Act creates a new legal relationship, which two people of the same-sex can form by signing a document.


The council says the wedding room is to be used for heterosexual couples

It provides same-sex couples with parity of treatment in a wide range of legal matters with those opposite-sex couples who enter into a civil marriage.

Mr Close explained that the motion which the council had backed proposed that same-sex civil partnership registration should "be not afforded the same recognition" as a civil marriage ceremony.

It also proposed that the council's wedding room, the Cherry Room, should not be used for such registrations.

Mr Close pointed out that they would take place in the registrar's office.

Sean Moran of the Rainbow Project in Londonderry said he agreed the language was important, as the term marriage had been used to "confuse" people.

But he added: "I still can't understand why he would feel that same gender relationships being registered, and recognised, should not be afforded the same equality as a heterosexual couple."

Wedding planner

Mr Moran said he objected to the council's move as it sent out the message that same gender relationships "should not have the same recognition" as heterosexual unions.

"Same gender couples are not looking for heterosexual marriages, it's something different. We want our relationships recognised by law to protect us and give us the rights as a couple."

Richard Jones, the Creative Director of Modern Commitments, a gay wedding planners in the UK, said the Act laid down the minimum that any council could provide.

But he said many councils had been very understanding of the gay community's needs.

"What many couples are opting to do when councils are not being very understanding and not providing any kind of ceremony - although many, many councils around the UK are happy to provide this ceremony - they are choosing to have the ceremonial part of their day somewhere else."

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jul 05 - 04:01 PM

"A paedophile has an attraction to a child, is that any less natural ???."

That is NOT protected in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as either a right or a freedom. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Jul 05 - 04:01 PM

Same sex attraction harms no one, unlike pedophilia, kleptomania, or arson...

You're neck-deep in the 'Slippery Slope' fallacy and sinking fast...

"no one will ever change my mind on that"
Then go on your marry bigoted way, and one day the world will be rid of you, and better off for it....

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 04 Jul 05 - 03:56 PM

So if a male has an attraction to another male and that is considered natural and they are free to conduct themselves as they see fit because it is their right under the Charter of Rights".

A paedophile has an attraction to a child, is that any less natural ???.

A Kleptomaniac has a natural urge to steal - is his rights being trampled on if we don't allow it, after all to him stealing is natural.

What about arsonists, a natural urge to get their kicks out of flres, surely these tendencuies are just as natural to all others. Where do we draw the line. Is there any possibility that at some future date the illegality of these natural urges will be challenged under the Charter of Rights. After all one cannot be discriminated agains because of sexual orientation.

I still maintain that a gay union is not the same as a straight union and should have it's own designation and no one will ever change my mind on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 09:43 PM

Jimmy C - It is also 'natural' to give birth without the use of anaesthetic and although that is my preference, I'm not about to impose natural child birth on others. Because I gave birth naturally, does that mean that other women should use another word to describe their experience?

We are a long way from the natural world, Jimmy. Not much of what occurs today can be called natural. Cars, toilets, microwaves, electrical lights, and just about everything that helps us to survive in modern day society is unnatural. I doubt if you will see anyone impose a ban because of it.

Lets not begrudge a couple of human beings the comfort of love within a committed relationship. If thats what they want, they are much straighter than I am.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,T rex
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 09:38 PM

so's extinction

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 09:22 PM

"For starters, a union between a man and a woman is NATURAL, a homosexual union is not natural (how many out there think it is a natural act )?."

We have raised Labs for a number of years. One of our labs was gay...most definately, GAY. He had NO interest in any of the females but could be found looking for love with any number of the other male dogs. So I disagree with you, I do think it is natural.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 09:11 PM

Men and woman are completely different... are THEY not equal?

Equal to what?

(this is quite possibly a case for -)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 08:48 PM

"a homosexual union is not natural"
The level of ignorance that statment demonstrats is astounding... ALL primates, humans included, indeed all MAMALS exibit some level of and some percentage of same-sex attraction... Even some of the animals that pair-bond for life occasionally do so in same-sex pairs... You gotta suck it up and accept that, no matter how for your head is up your backside, gay is JUST as 'natural' as straight...

"It is completely different and therefore cannot be termed as equal"
Men and woman are completely different... are THEY not equal?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 07:24 PM

"Marriage and family existed long before any legislature decided to regulate them. For centuries they have been central to society, contributing to its social cohesion and fundamental structure... Marriage and family promote the psychological, social and eonomic well being of all members of the family unit." Jimmy C

Would you agree, Jimmy C, that the basis of what you are referring to
is love and commitment? A love and respect from one adult to the other and to children and the commitment to the nurturing of their relationships? Put that way, I agree that the family unit has been paramount in civilization.

I think I know what you mean by "natural". Do you mean that if it were natural, i.e. 'nature's way', there would be the capability of offspring? (Leaving aside the many heterosexual couples who have not been able to have offspring.) That may be. The fact remains that there is such a phenomenom as same-sex attraction and cohesion. What are we to make of that?

When someone suggests that "all she needs is a good man" or vice versa, they don't know what they're saying. It is like saying that if a heterosexual person spent enough time with another heterosexual person of the same sex and learned to love and depend upon the other person it would inevitably become a sexual relationship. It's just not so. For whatever reason, there are people among us all who react romantically to their own gender just as there are other people out there to whom the notion doesn't even occur, much less have a primeval force behind it.

We're complicated beings; so far as I know, nobody really knows why we differ in our attractants. But there are differences and they are valid ones. And natural, in the sense that we use the word.

I have both gay and lesbian friends. Maybe I'm just lucky in my friendships- they are good people.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 07:15 PM

So it's purely linguistic, Jimmy. Not really worth worrying about then, surely.

Marriages differ in all kinds of ways. There is when young people get married and plan to have a family. There is when two very career orientated people get married with no intention of having a family. There are people who live together for years and have children, and then decide to formalise. Or you have two retired people long past child-bearing getting married. Or couples who remarry after divorces, and set up a household with the children from both marriages.

They are all different, and it'd be quite easy to imagine a society where different words were used for them all. But it makes a lot of sense to just use the one word to cover a whole reange of situations.

One query though - what's the right term to use in relation to gay marriages?   What do they say in the ceremony? Husband for both men and wife for both women, perhaps? Partner sounds too much like business or bridge. I suppose "spouse" would be one option.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 06:50 PM

I have been away for a while but my oh my what a commotion.

If you read my posts again I never said that gay couples should not have all the benefits etc of straight couples. I simply said that their union should not be be described as a marriage because it is different from what we know as a tradional marriage. For starters, a union between a man and a woman is NATURAL, a homosexual union is not natural (how many out there think it is a natural act )?. It is not, it may be loving na dcaring etc but it is not the same. It is completely different and therefore cannot be termed as equal?. I really resent that fact that the government of Canada is classifying my relationship with my wife of 37 years as the same as the relationship between two men. It is not and I never will see it as such. It is DIFFERENT and should have a DIFFERENT title such as "legal union- or some other terminology.

Many people years ago cried about keeping religion out of goverment, but if I and others say "keep government out of religion" I am called a bigot or as Clinton described me as a bigoted jerk. So much for equality eh.

Marriage and family existed long before any legislature decided to regulate them. For centuries they have been central to society, contributing to its social cohesion and fundamental structure... Marriage and family promote the psychological, social and eonomic well being of all members of the family unit.

Homosexual unions may very well be loving and caring as most of you say but they are different, and as such should have a different designation.

We had a gay parade in Toronto last week, and if anyone were to walk down the street on any other day of the year, dressed like some of the participants in the parade they would get arrested for indecent exposure.

Equality in relation to pensions, benefits, health care etc is ok with me and most other non gay citizens, I have never had any problem of equality in all aspects of life., but I do draw the line a defining their relationships and straight relationship as equal. THEY ARE NOT. Gays have a different lifestyle and a gay union should have a different designation.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 06:18 PM

McGrath - Your point about teachers touching students is well taken. I teach young children how to read. I know that in the beginning stages of understanding print, it is essential that the child sit next to you while you track the print with your finger. This requires very close contact. Learning to read requires emotional safety. It doesn't happen until you feel secure enough to take a risk.

I can't tell you how many times in a day that my students say, "Can I have a hug?" Often they will hug me impulsively. What kind of a message would I give if I didn't return their affection? I am not a touchy-feely teacher and, in fact, I'm considered to be strict and demanding. At the end of the year, my students appreciate it and their parents say thanks for pushing him/her to be the best that they can be. Its pretty hard to push them if it isn't balanced by genuine affection.

I have one or two years until I retire. I am ignoring the 'no touching' rule and if I am taken to court for an act of kindness, so be it. Schools are stone, cold institutions. Take away the affection between teachers and students and what we have left is a relationship akin to prisoner and guard.

There is something very wrong with a society that thinks that it can dictate what are normal relationships between human beings.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 05:34 PM

dianavan's got the point I was making.

Not just North America, though the impression I get is that this appetite to read sexuality into just about any kind of contact between human beings has probably gone even further there than in most part of Europe.

It's as if extending freedom in one direction has to be balanced by diminishing it in other directions.

Some of the published guidelines I've seen about how teachers should act in relation to young children, when it comes to any kind of contact are frightening. I can envisage a time down the line when patting a dog or stroking a cat will be seen as clear evidence of a tendency towards bestiality.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 05:20 PM

Thats right, gnu. Men holding hands and kissing, too, I might add is a part of Middle Eastern societal norms.

I will also add that when the Iranian mother of my daughter's boyfriend came for a visit, my daughter spent the night with them in a hotel room. I protested saying it wasn't appropriate. The boyfriend said that sleeping arrangements were no big deal in Iranian homes. He said that at the end of a party (if going home was inconvenient) people slept wherever they were the most comfortable.

I think North Americans read sexuality into what is considered normal behaviour in many societies. It is North America that is preoccupied with the bedrooms of other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 04:16 PM

"Leaving aside issues about gayness and whatever, anysociety where it is seen as deviant for any two human beings to hold hands in public is a pretty sick and weird society." McGrath

"Just being suspected of being gay in places like the Palestinian west bank, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc. is enough to get you killed in many of those places; often with total impunity to the killers." Guest

There's something wrong with your evaluation, Guest. What about the ubiquitous photos of the bush and Saudi Arabia's crown prince walking around holding hands? I understand that it is meant as a sign of closeness and respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 04:05 PM

"McGrath of Harlow has just condemned almost every Islamic country in the world."

I'll happily join him in that condemnation...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 02:22 PM

Leaving aside issues about gayness and whatever, anysociety where it is seen as deviant for any two human beings to hold hands in public is a pretty sick and weird society.

With those words, McGrath of Harlow has just condemned almost every Islamic country in the world.

Just being suspected of being gay in places like the Palestinian west bank, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc. is enough to get you killed in many of those places; often with total impunity to the killers.

About the only places in the Middle East where gays can get away with holding hands are in *parts* of Israel like Tel Aviv and Haifa. I wouldn't try it though in areas of Israel where the religious dominate (although it's much less likely that you'll be killed or that the killers will not be punished than in the Islamic countries).

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 02:10 PM

What happened there ? It definately showed 99 when I posted !

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 02:09 PM

Where's El Ted ? I seem to have another 100th !

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,Canadian
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 02:03 PM

Canada is the third country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage, FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 01:20 PM

Leaving aside issues about gayness and whatever, anysociety where it is seen as deviant for any two human beings to hold hands in public is a pretty sick and weird society.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 01:13 PM

I always thought the line was "let me not...admit impediment". But the Oxford edition on the web says:

LET me not to the marriage of true minds        
Admit impediments. Love is not love        
Which alters when it alteration finds,        
Or bends with the remover to remove:        
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,                 5
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;        
It is the star to every wandering bark,        
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.        
Love 's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks        
Within his bending sickle's compass come;         10
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,        
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.        
If this be error, and upon me prov'd,        
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:53 PM

Two thumbs up for both Canada and Spain!!!! It's about time and it's too bad that it isn't happening here YET!!!

Gnu said something about not having the Gay Pride Parades. I think that is just plain wrong. I've been to several Gay Pride Parades and absolutely LOVE THEM! It is a wonderful time for everybody and it's SO NICE to see loving people holding hands and being tender with one another...regardless of gender. It's a shame that two men or two women can't walk down the street holding the hand of their loved one for fear of being attacked or for fear of losing their job, or for fear of ridicule. Clinton is right, straight folks have this freedome every single day...if you personally don't want to see it, don't look....don't go to the parades but certainly don't stand in the way of people loving one another.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: JennyO
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:52 AM

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jul 05 - 02:45 PM

" What about an American ship captain in Canadian waters doing same sex marriages?"

THAT goes against everything the Bible teaches, and I WON'T stand for it!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 04:12 PM

Judges do it
Priest's do it

Even Captains of big ships do it

marrying 2 people in love.

What about an American ship captain in Canadian waters doing same sex marriages?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 04:10 PM

"your misinformend(sic.) attitudes"
I'm not the one who when presented with evidence I couldn't refute, challenges I couldn't meet, had to abandon the subject at hand and resort to personal attacks on the apparent source of that evidence, those challenges... I may have CHOSEN to attack you WHILE I dismissed your blatherskite, but that's a whole different beast...

"oh-so-very-macho attitudes"
Not knowing what a mincing little fairy I am in real life...

"social graces "
Are for those who deserve them... I see no reason to waste them on you...

I've never seen anyone be more of a wimp over a PM than they were in their post of the same subject.. ya musta PMed me first, and had time for the old wheels to turn eh...