BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise

Subject: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Alice
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:10 PM

http://www.petitiononline.com/Tomkat/
Click here

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:24 PM

Good gracious. Expand your life; don't pay ANY attention to the nuts that you will never meet and that do not have the capability of impact on you. Enjoy what you like, ignore the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:10 PM

Who? Is he an actor? In something current?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:20 PM

Well, I admit Scientology makes me nervous. Pushing to ban Scientology makes me even more nervous.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:24 PM

I agree with this petition. Tom C is using his celebrity to promote dangerous views about medical conditions. Depression can cause people to suicide if they don't get medical treatment - there is a stigma about seeking treament anyway, and his comments contribute to that stigma.

the petition is a reaction to his recent mean spirited attack on Brookew Shields for medically treating her post partum depression

freda

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:55 PM

Wanna have some fun? Just ask ol' Tom about Xenu; and why is he so meatspace-focused on Katie????

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:56 PM

The only thing I saw Cruise say was about psychiatry. According to him, psychiatry is not a "science". As opposed to Scientology. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 08:55 PM

Is this the guy who was with Ms. Kidman? I wonder what she knows about him that is frightening. I wonder if she would tell me, privately, I mean not just in my dreams, like...oops, thinking out loud again.

His rants are being reported as if his opinion mattered for squat. Overt self-righteousness is itself suspect.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:14 PM

It's not Tom, actually-- it's standard Scientology programming. As in, CULT. As in, canned/programmed rants on various topics, combined with rehearsed and programmed defenses of Scientology. If you Google up Xenu, you're likely to see some interesting stuff.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:15 PM

That's what I think, Mooh. He's a good actor, no doubt, but I have seen no sign of tremendous intellect. Maybe because of my being older and his having never been in my dream world, I don't see any reason to frame my own beliefs on his pronouncements.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:16 PM

Sounds like he could use a little "auditing" himself.

Oh, wotthehell! I like science fiction (even some "sci fi"), so I'll probably watch the movie when it finally makes it to the tube. I'm curious to know what they've done to H. G. Wells this time around. Or is it supposed to be based on the Wells novella (even if updated. After all, invaders from Mars would be stretching it a bit, considering recent activities)?

Way back in the Fifties, I think L. Ron Hubbard had an interesting idea with Dianetics. Initially, it was even worth thinking about. Then, one night he said to himself, "I think I'll try to make a prophet!" and decided to found a religion. I'm surprised at the number of Hollywood figures that have fallen for this stuff:   Cruise, John Travolta, the young woman who played Mary Ellen on "The Waltons," several others.

Sigh

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:40 PM

Aaaarrrrgggghhh!!!! You mean my lack of television has kept me in the dark about something as vital as Tom Cruise's enlightened views on, well, everything? I'll be standing at the satellite dish company's door when it opens in the morning with checkbook in hand! Forget groceries and utilities! Gotta have that dish!

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: sixtieschick
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:47 PM

Although it's out of fashion in high places, the first amendment guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Cruise was exercising both. Perhaps what is at issue here is the high value put on the opinions of celebrities in some quarters just because they are celebrities.

M.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:49 PM

Jay Leno says the special effects in the movie are out of this world, so to speak. Brace yourelf, though- I understand that the world loses.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:50 PM

"CULT. As in, canned/programmed rants on various topics, combined with rehearsed and programmed defenses of..."

Can't help thinking that, by definition (this definition, anyway), conservative talk-radio hosts are members of a cult! A Republicult, perhaps?

Anyway, Tom Cruise is one of the Top 100 nominees on the list of "Greatest Americans" that AOL and the Discovery Channel (discovery.com) asked people to nominate and vote on. I'm not sure where he placed after the final votes were in. He's not in the top 25, but still, the fact that he was even nominated is more than a little scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:52 PM

hmmmmm...verrrrrrrrry interesting.

Sooz, I googled Xenu and got:

#1. The excellent link checker program that Bill D recommended (and I installed). I love it - but Bill, I hate the ugly icon for it on my desktop- spooky.

#2. A Google statement that I had never seem before! They had to remove links! But you can see what was removed at www.xenu.net

********************

Now with all this publicity, the link checker program will get lots of traffic.

PS I signed the petition, though these things are probably meaningless.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:58 PM

Didn't he design the cruise missile?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:10 PM

I think so, Rap. There'd be no other reason for its name.

Unless our culture(s) have gone absolutely bonkers and stay that way, the fact that Cruise (see, Rap?) got on the list of greatest Americans is nothing to worry about. Madonna has been on it, as I recall. Some people put anyone on it that has been in the news, it appears. I understand that at some show - The View, I think, Paris Hilton got a STANDING OVATION. You want scary? That's scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:15 PM

Hm, M in K, dunno quite what you mean, but I get these results:

Operation Clambake - The Inner Secrets Of Scientology
Major anti Scientology site, with extensive news articles, analyses, and criticism of the alleged Scientology cult, Dianetics, and L. Ron Hubbard, ...
www.xenu.net/

Operation Clambake present: The XENU Leaflet
There are cults out there that need to be exposed, because they destroy people. The Church of Scientology is such a cult, to back up this strong claim I ...
www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/

Welcome to xenu.ca
News, court papers, and ex-Scientologists' stories from a Canadian perspective.
xenu.ca/

The Road to Xenu
The Road to Xenu A narrative account of life in Scientology. by Margery Wakefield. Available in PDF (93 pages, 285K) and PostScript (93 pages, 227K gzipped) ...
www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/

Welcome to XENU TV
The most comprehensive video coverage of Scientology on the Web, in RealVideo format. Some radio broadcasts, in RealAudio format. Archive of newspaper and ...
www.xenutv.com/

XENU RULEZ !
XENU IS COMING ! You probably want this instead: WWW.XENU.NET. Scientology cartoons.
FACTnet info.
www.xenu.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages

Xenu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public. Hubbard later dramatised the Xenu story as a film script, Revolt in the Stars. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:17 PM

Go to www.clambake.org... the inner secrets of C.of S. that members have to pay thousands of dollars for (but are on the clambake.net page so people can be fully informed of how and why they are getting recruited into CoS).

http://www.clambake.org

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:20 PM

Or for the short version, illustrated: http://www.xenu.net/archive/scientology_illustrated/

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:25 PM

The oldest online site with free info about cult abuse is www.factnet.org
http://www.factnet.org/
They began reporting on the death of a CoS member, Lisa McPherson, long ago. The thing to remember about abusive groups is that the problem is the DEED, not the CREED. People in this country are free to believe, like CoS, that we are each inhabited by aliens if they want to. The DEEDS of CoS are the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:32 PM

I was referring to a statement at the bottom of the page of the Google listing:

In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results.

But you're right, the xenu.net main page is listed. It's also the clambake site.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:32 PM

"He's a good actor, no doubt, but I have seen no sign of tremendous intellect."

I seem to remember a Dick Cavett television interview with Arthur Miller in which Mr Miller stated that there is no such thing as an actor/intellectual. Something about their empty-headedness being key to their ability to adopt a personality (as they have none).

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:53 PM

I agree with Jay Leno's statement in his tribute to Johnny Carson, here.

As a comedian he taught me that it was okay to be known for doing political humor, but never making the mistake of thinking you're a political commentator. It's okay to satirize the society we live in, just don't start believing you're a social commentator.

I see an analogy with celebrities and opinions. I bristled when Tom was rude to Matt Lauer. I forget the exact words, but he essentially told Matt that he (Matt) didn't know what he was talking about, and implied that he (Tom) did!

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: harpgirl
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:04 PM

Tom Cruise????/Oh, ick!

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Alice
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:04 PM

Mary, members of the church of $cientology have had their thinking carefully programmed to believe that psychiatry is evil, because L.Ron Hubbard hated psychiatrists. Cruise is living out his cult programming. A great parody of $cientology is the movie "Bowfinger", written by and starring Steve Martin. Very funny movie, but sad that so many in Hollywood have been recruited into a group like the one portrayed in Bowfinger.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Alice
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:15 PM

Click here, a page with more detailed info about these subjects:

Lisa McPherson's Death and subsequent Court Cases and Hearings.

Inside the world's most dangerous cult: Jesse Prince interviews
[October 28, 1998]

Scientology's foolproof method of judge tampering
[September 30, 1998]

Scientology, the Killer Cult

L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology, Dianetics, and Racism

A Mother Loses Two Sons: Edith Ervin's Story

Europe's head of Scientology intelligence division tells her story.

Why Scientology is so dangerous to Society, the fair game policy

The Prisoners of Saint Hill

Destroy all critics!

The Diary of a Dying Scientologist

Hubbard speaks on the brown and yellow races

Scientology's fight FOR apartheid: The secret history of racism in Scientology

Scientology's criminal activities

Scientology's Religious Persecution of Former members

Scientology's actions toward critics

Former members speak out on their abuse in Scientology

Coerced Abortions

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Alice
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:25 PM

A few more details...CLICK HERE from Factnet:

Scientology actively helps arrange celebrities' divorces and marriages when Scientology deems them beneficial to Scientology. Scientology arranged Tom Cruise's entire divorce from Mimi Rogers for no charge.Orchestrating this divorce was important to Scientology because Rogers was disaffected from Scientology; thus it was in Scientology's interest to distance Cruise from her.
Scientology also helped Lisa Marie Presley arrange her marriage to Michael Jackson. The idea was to make Jackson a Scientologist so he would become a recruiter and bring large numbers of youth into Scientology.

Tom Cruise became psychotic during a secret Scientology initiation in which one is told that rather than being one person, one is composed of thousands of aliens from all over the universe fighting for control of your body. After completing this initiation, known as OT III, Tom appeared sickly with black circles under his eyes and pasty skin. He said he wanted to be away from Scientology for good. He just wanted to go back to Hollywood and his home and be left alone by Scientology. This would not happen; David Miscavige ordered Cruise could not be let go. Scientology worked on Cruise day and night until he finally returned to Scientology.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 12:37 AM

My Cruise has a learning disability. So do I. When my parents first discovered that I had trouble acquiring some very basic skills they took me to a psychiatrist who blamed, Surprise! my mother. You see Mom married at 35! Quelle horreur! She'd been a happy career woman before she met dad, she missed her work, and she didn't like being a housewife. In the 1960s, that meant she was neurotic, which was howcome I wrote fifty one as 15.
I don't know what Mr. Cruise's experience was. But I'm betting it wasn't too different. Now I have no interest in Scientology, apparently a moneymaking scheme for a third rate science fiction writer. But we have freedom of religion in this country. The Mormons, the Seventh Day Adventists, and even the oh so respectable Methodists started out as kooky sects.
I do know that psychiatry is a very subjective science. 40 years ago I could have had my sister comitted, because she's a lesbian. Now, she sees a therapist about her relationships.
I have seen more than one friend damaged by therapy. My housemate was depressed. (He was out of work and his wife left him. He'd have been weird if he wasn't depressed.) His doctor put him on Parnate, whcih made him too sick to work. When Newt Gingrich stopped his disability payments, the doctor kept up the Parnate. Never mind that he had no source of income, except occasional loans from me. The stuff damn near gave him a stroke. It made him lethargic and irritable, a real pain in the butt to live with. We were both happy when he went on a new antidepressant.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 02:17 AM

A long time ago, I got very nicley offered a test. Out of interest I took it. Big mistake. It was scientology.

They said they could help me LOL. I said that I didn't want to know and walked out. I got bombarded with mail from then on and they just woudn't give up with it, even though I threatened to take them to court.

They suck you in and are very clever indeed.

Whatever Tom Cruise is saying is based on the indoctrination of this organisation.

In my opinion they are evil.

Anyway I did catch something on the Telly about him going on about Ritalin and its use, but he didn't seem to know the facts - didn't see all of it so am not quite sure what he was getting to.

All I can say about Ritalin is avoid it like the plague if you can - its a very dangerous drug that can cause severe harm to your body - but nobody tells you about that. My daughetr went on it, and as soon as I researched Ritalin, I was horrified and took her off it.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,ragdall
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 02:10 AM

I was reading through what appears to be a 1991 Time Magazine article here.

That is very scary stuff! :(

rags

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 02:33 AM

One of the things I heard him say to Matt Lauer, very forcefully: "There is no such thing as a 'chemical imbalance".

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 03:45 AM

Years ago, when delivering leaflets house-to-house, I found among the doors with signs saying 'No circulars', 'No hawkers', 'No salesmen', 'No Mormons', and 'No Jehovah's Witnesses', one saying 'No cruise missiles'.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 04:57 AM

Guest Ragdall
Yes it is scary and anybody that doesn't take notice does it at their own peril.
You should be very very wary of very persuasive people who ask you if you would like to take a free psychology test. They make it sound very interesting. The moment you say yes, they will take you to a place where they have the test set up and will give you the findings afterwards and then put heavy pressure on you to join them and be saved.
Be warned - don't get sucked in, they are very cunning.
The people that try to get you to do these tests are indoctrinated and probably already owe them a lot of money.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 04:57 AM

Sorry that was the villan posting

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,ragdall
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 07:01 AM

Villan,
Tom seemed to be more robot than man in that interview. Brainwashing is a terrible thing.

I was looking through the archives at the Time Magazine site. There have been articles about this organization for many many years. Why/ how have they been able to grow and prosper so much?

thanks,
rags

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,nellie clatt
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 07:03 AM

I'm totally amazed and flabbergasted that anyone especially so called intelligent people get taken in by scientology which round here we have a name for, it's TOTAL SHITE.

In England, Ron Hubbard was exposed as a charlatan in the 1960s

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,nellie clatt
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 07:07 AM

Incidently, are there any mudcatters who are scientologists ?

I suppose if there were nobody would admit to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 07:14 AM

Nellie Clat
They are brainwashed, very well mannered and very slick. That is why if you have never heard of them, it is very easy to get sucked in by them. The people that try to get you in are nothing more than slick salesman/woman. From my memory they do not mention who they are, just that are doing psychology tests and invite you to have a go.
They are as bad as these salespeople who won't say no until they get a yes out of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,nellie clatt
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 07:23 AM

I have heard of them, as I said, Ron Hubbard was exposed as a charlatan many years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 07:27 AM

He has a right to have and express an opinion. You demonstrate the worst form of mind control via personal censorship; and trying to utilize this forum to impose your belief systems is wrong. Debate it, discuss it, but dont be a Nazi about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 08:53 AM

I think this has bugger all to do with belief systems and a lot to do with a bunch of crackpots exploiting the vulnerable for their own gain. And as for Ritalin... yes, avoid it like the plague.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 09:11 AM

Shields said her doctor prescribed Paxil for postpartum depression after she experienced extreme despair and had suicidal thoughts following the birth of her daughter, Rowan Francis, in the spring of 2003. Paxil has been known to cause depression and strange mental states in some patients. I have personal experience of this in my own family, who were using paxil for treatment of a physical illness.

I partially agree with Cruise, it is a science that is in its infancy, yet it is treated as infallible by some. Personally, I have never found anyone involved in it to be of benefit at all; most having more mental illness than their patients.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,The Villan
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 09:14 AM

Guest
You are right. He does have a right to express his opinions just like anybody else.
I suppose we have digressed by talking about Ritalin and Scientology. Maybe they should be seperate threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,Mrs Miggins
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 09:50 AM

It's not a science fer fecks sake, L Ron Hubbard invented it to make money out of gullible dick heads like yo.......... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,eric the red
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 09:51 AM

If you sign the petition don't give your email address or you will get a begging letter from them.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 10:08 AM

A psychiatrist is a medical doctor who specialises in mental health. I would personally trust them as much as I'd trust any other medical doctor - that is to say, each on their own basis.

What's so wrong with a psychiatrist suffering from mental illness (see a few posts up)? One of the leading researchers on manic depression, Kay Redfield Jamison, suffers from it herself.

Scientologists I wouldn't trust at all :)

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,Willie-O
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 10:15 AM

Tom Cruise has always irritated the hell out of me. Particularly after I watched (because I like Elizabeth Shue, who was sadly misused in this POS) "Cocktail". Possibly the worst major-release movie of the past 20 years. He acts with his sole asset: his teeth. He has far too many of them.

I am quite sad that Katie Holmes has said yes to him and gotten sucked into his glam-sham world. She is a greatly underrated actress who does fine work without showing off--as in "The Ice Storm" and "Pieces of April". Not blockbusters, just damn good movies. Check em out.

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 10:23 AM

Folks, as I've said in another thread, my MS has, as one of my big symptom, extreme fatigue. It's very much like when I had mono. Not just tired, or sleepy---but extraordinary fatigue. My neurologist has me on 20 mlgrms. of Ritalin twice a day---morning and noon. I find it a big help. It wears off quickly and allows me to sleep too.

I'm not talking about children here. I am a 64 year old man.

I know there are strong opinions out there for the use of it with hyper kids, but what's your gripe on this drug where adults are concerned?

Art Thieme