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'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help

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Subject: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Maryrrf
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 06:54 PM

Working with a friend who plays banjo, autoharp, harmonica and whistle, (and me on guitar) I've volunteered to put together an educational type concert showcasing "The Sixties". The idea was to give sort of an "overview" of the times through the music. I thought it would be fun but I'm kind of overwhelmed right now - I keep making notes and there's so much potential material that I'm getting confused. I'd like to begin with what led UP to the Sixties Folk Revival - Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, and also include a few songs from the old source singers that served as inspiration for many of the revivalist. The club is strongly traditionally oriented, so I'd like to present as much traditional material as possible and I'd like to show instances where the singer/songwriters were strongly influenced by traditional songs. Of course there's Dylan and Baez,Buffy Sainte Marie, the Kingston Trio, Peter, Paul and Mary, Simon and Garfunkle, the Clancy Brothers, and I'd like to digress a little into other countries (I'm concentrating on the US sixties scene) and include something by Ewan McColl, and possibly Georges Brassens or Georges Moustaki and, from Chile, Victor Jara. Right now I'm rambling, there's just so much material. It'd be 2 45 minute sets so I'd need around 24 songs, give or take. I'd like to hear what 'catters think are absolute "Highlights" that I wouldn't want to NOT include. Any suggestions as to who would be the most important artists, and what the most important songs would be? I realize everybody's opinion will be different, but I'd like to sort through it and make sure I don't leave anything out that really should be there. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 07:06 PM

Mary - My Sixties stuff would no doubt be too UK orientated to be of any use - Best of Luck though !!


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 07:18 PM

For America you MUSTN'T leave out Burl Ives.
Lonnie Donegan started the Skiffle craze in the UK, where aside from the innumerous folkies who grew out of it, so did the Beatles.
For Ireland you must mention the Clancys, Dubliners, Maguire (or whoever it was that had the radio show and wrote Gypsy Rover), Sweeney's Men, think the band with the young Donal Lunny was called Emmett Spiceland, Furey Bros, Johnstons, Christy Moore, Chieftains and of course the innumerable Ceilidh bands.
In Brittany it was mostly down to the efforts of Alain Stivell, but there were more than just him.
With Galicia Milladoiro did the lion's share.
Give me a bit of time, and I will copy out the liner note's to a collection of Norwegian folk, about the revival there.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 07:27 PM

The '60s is a decade. You doin' the whole thing? That is, 1960-69?


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 07:27 PM

Bud and Travis were an early duo that influenced the Kingston Trio and many others. They are still great to listen to.

Mike


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 07:55 PM

Hey, there were lots of folks doing folk music in the 60's who may not have had the audience that Dylan, Biaz, K-Trio had b ut who were in there writing good songs but didn't happen to live in New York... New York, no bones about it was really i portant but if ya' wanta get beyond the obvious and do a little diggin there's lots of folks out there who need a second look.

Happy and Artie Traum

Bob Martin

Paul Sieble (Okay, New York, but not...)

John Stewart (Former K-Trio)

The Pozo Seko Singers

Jesse Winchester

John McCutheon (sp)

John Lee Stanley

Ricthie Havens

etc., etc...

But also not mentioned in yer request was the revival of blues which to many folks was black folk music... At the Newport Folk Festival in 63 (maybe 64) the legendarty Son House was coaxed outtta retirement and played his ever so powerful style of Delta blues that had almost disappeared with the sounds of the likes of more modern bluesman like Elmore James, Lightnin' Hopkins... One cannot look at the 60's folk revival without bringing up this very important aspect of it....

Just a few thoughts...

Good luck...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: GUEST,maryrrf
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 08:06 PM

Well, I think in 90 minutes there's no way I can cover everything. I wouldn't do a good job of blues singing, so I'm gonna have to stick to folk. Blues would be an entirely different category and would warrant a separate evening - done by somebody else, not me. You know I'd forgotten Burl Ives - (duh!).   I like his singing but not his politics - didn't he snitch on some people and get them blacklisted? And then there's the whole calypso thing.... As to doing th whole decade, well I'd like to scatter in song from the gamut of the sixties, although the late sixties was very different from the early sixties, and of course the "Folk Revival" spanned from the fifties to the seventies...see why I'm overwhelmed????


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 08:15 PM

Theo Bikel and Josef Marais and Miranda to provide international flavor.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 08:57 PM

Please don't forget Odetta.

Also, this group probably wasn't formed yet, but the songs that Sweet Honey In The Rock sing may give you some ideas about the types of songs to include.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 09:33 PM

Oh contraire', Mary...

If art immitates life then to have no mention of the blues is like leaving out the main corse....

Look at the rest of the 60's and how many bands were heavilly influenced by black folks artists... It was a shameless rip off...

The Stones, Led Zephin, Paul Butterfiel, Hendrix....

Hey, I'm not sayin' that you have to spend great deal of time on the blues but if yer covering folk music in ther 60's and leave it out, you've messed up....

IMHO.....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 09:43 PM

Miriam Makeba, Patrick Sky, the Smothers Brothers showcased a bunch of folkies then too.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 10:06 PM

Here' a list of songs from a compilation album "Washington Square Memoirs:The Great Urban Folk Boom" that is a pretty good representation of the folk scare of the sixties.

1. Hard Travelin' - Woody Guthrie         
2. Old Man Atom (Talking Atomic Blues) - Sam Hinton         
3. Black, Brown And White - Big Bill Broonzy         
4. Nottamun Town - Jean Ritchie         
5. Darlin' Cory - Ed McCurdy         
6. One Meat Ball - Josh White         
7. Little Boxes - Malvina Reynolds         
8. I Was Born 10,000 Years Ago - Oscar Brand         
9. Midnight Special - Cisco Houston         
10. Wasn't That A Time - The Weavers         
11. Spanish Is A Loving Tongue - Glenn Yarbrough         
12. Swannanonoa Tunnel - Erik Darling         
13. Sportin' Life - Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee         
14. South Coast - Randy Sparks         
15. Molly Dee - The Kingston Trio         
16. I've Been Driving On Bald Mountain/Water Boy (live) - Odetta         
17. Raspberries, Strawberries - Bud & Travis         
18. The Hammer Song (live) - Pete Seeger         
19. Chase The Rising Son - The Journeymen         
20. Don't Let Your Deal Go Down - The New Lost City Ramblers
21. Betty And Dupree (live) - Bob Gibson & Bob Camp         
22. Coplas De Amor - Cynthia Gooding         
23. San Francisco Bay Blues - Ramblin' Jack Elliott         
24. The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Peggy Seeger         
25. Greenback Dollar - Hoyt Axton                  
26. Swing And Turn Jubilee - Carolyn Hester         
27. Another Man - Barry & Barry         
Disc: 2
        Music         Music
1. Walk Right In - The Rooftop Singers         
2. He Was A Friend Of Mine - Dave Van Ronk         
3. Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream 0 The Chad Mitchell Trio         
4. Nora's Dove (Dink's Song) - The Big Three         
5. 500 Miles - Hedy West         
6. Four Strong Winds - Ian & Sylvia         
7. I Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm Bound - Tom Paxton         
8. Blowin' In The Wind - Peter, Paul & Mary         
9. Fog Horn - Bob Gibson         
10. High Flying Bird - Judy Henske         
11. Boots Of Spanish Leather - Bob Dylan         
12. You'se A Viper - Dave Van Ronk & The Ragtime Jug Stompers         
13. Four In The Morning - Jesse Colin Young         
14. Euphoria - The Holy Modal Rounders         
15. There But For Fortune - Joan Baez         
16. Take Your Fingers Off It - The Even Dozen Jug Band         
17. Brother, Can You Spare A Dime? - Judy Roderick         
18. Tear Down The Walls - Martin & Neil         
19. Morning Dew (live) - Bonnie Dobson         
20. Jordan's River - The Modern Folk Quartet         
21. What's The Matter With The Mill - Koerner, Ray & Glover         
22. Cod'ine - Buffy Sainte-Marie         
23. Joshua Gone Barbados - Eric Von Schmidt         
24. Take A Whiff On Me - The Greenbriar Boys         
25. Get Together - Hamilton Camp         
Disc: 3
        Music         Music
1. The Wabash Cannonball (live) - The Limeliters         
2. I Ain't Marching Anymore - Phil Ochs         
3. Pack Up Your Sorrows - Richard & Mimi Farina         
4. Drop Down Mama - John Hammons         
5. Rag Mama - Jim Kweskin & The Jug Band         
6. Bells Of Rhymney - John Denver         
7. Early Morning Rain - Gordon Lightfoot         
8. Thirsty Boots - Eric Andersen         
9. Reason To Believe - Tim Hardin         
10. Just Like A Woman - Richie Havens         
11. The Motorcycle Song (live) - Arlo Guthrie         
12. The Dolphins - Fred Neil         
13. Wondrous Love - Kathy & Carol         
14. Once I Was - Tim Buckley         
15. The Circle Game - Tom Rush         
16. These 23 Days In Semptember - David Blue         
17. Candy Man - Taj Mahal         
18. Then Came The Children - Paul Siebel         
19. School Days - Loudon Wainwright III


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Lanfranc
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 03:29 AM

I was about to protest that you couldn't leave out Tom Paxton, Tom Rush, Phil Ochs, Richard and Mimi Farina and Tim Hardin until they appeared in the above lists.

Calypso-wise there's Harry Belafonte.

And that's being US-centric - two forty-five minute spots ain't gonna be enough if you want to perform a comprehensive selection from both sides of the pond. I'd be tempted to choose a theme (say, protest songs, love songs, work songs ...)

Alan


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Kaleea
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:26 AM

Is this for children? Teens? Adults?

Here's an interesting article by Judith DiGrazia which speaks to the several historical things which happened almost simultaneously in Music to bring about the Music of the '60's. She mentions the highlights which could be a sort of outline of artists/songs for you.


http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1983/4/83.04.04.x.html


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:55 AM

The thing was not so much all these people - it was something that happened within ourselves. Apparently simple songs like Where have all the flowers gone and Blowing in the wind - somehow without articulating it, they advanced a theory that there was a means of self expression open to us all. and it happened at a time when the world seemed close to a nuclear holocaust - so it made us look dmaned hard at what me might be losing.

The stars and the later ethnicity - they didn't have the impact except on the zealots like ourselves. That was just how it took some people.

anyway that's how I remember it.

all the best

big al whittle


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Maryrrf
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 09:33 AM

This has been really helpful except that although I knew it was vast, the suggestions have added even more possibilities to the material. The show is for adults and it has to be a combination of informative but also highly entertaining. There is, of course, no way I can include every important performer/songwriter and song. I'll have to select no more than 24. I know blues, rock, etc. was important too but I'll have to stick to folk. I'll let you know the list I come up with.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Flash Company
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 10:18 AM

I once did something like this, not for adults but for our local Girl Guide troup (US equivalent Girl Scouts?).
I was still singing actively at the time, (around 1977/78)and really made it a reminiscence on where I had started from and how I got to where I was then.
As I recall, I started from the Uk Jazz/Skiffle movement and illustrated how it had led me to Leadbelly, Guthrie, Seeger,Jack Elliott, Clancy Bros, and then back across the Atlantic to Bert Lloyd, MacColl, the Watersons, et al.
It was hard work, but fun.
Good luck!

FC


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: PoppaGator
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 02:59 PM

How can you NOT include:

We Shall Overcome

!!!!


Looks to me like most of the responses you've gotten so far are from across the ocean. That's OK, and I'm sure you'll take some of those suggestions, but if you're in the US, you probably need to acknowledge some of the socio-political/cultural aspects of the folk-revival phenomenon (and maybe "folk-rock" as well).

Your presentation need not be entirely "political," but the civil-rights/peace-and-freedom aspect of the Folk Revival cannot be totally excluded. Besides "We Shall Overcome," how 'bout "We Shall Not Be Moved," plus "Blowin in the Wind," "Masters of War" ...

If you want to get into the transition from folk to folk-rock, how 'bout, say, "Mr. Tambourine Man," "Turn Turn Turn," or maybe even "Like a Rolling Stone"?

Incidentally, to me, "The Sixties" as a distinct historical era really lasted from about 1965-1972 ~ not 1960-69 as might be literally understood.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: PoppaGator
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:29 PM

Second thoughts ~ 1965 was entirely too late as a start-date for "The Sixties." The folk revival was certainly well underway by then.

A plausible pair of dates I've seen for the start and end of The Sixties in the USA: from Nov 22, 1963 (JFK's assassination) through Dec 31, 1972 (end of military constription).

Let me second Bobert's assertion that you HAVE TO include some kind of nod to the blues, even though you don't necessarily feel comfortable as a "blues singer" yourself. You don't have to do any hard-core Delta-style blues, but maybe something by Odetta (who has already been mentioned more than once) would work. Or maybe something like "Come Back Baby," the definitive arrangement of which you can hear from Dave Van Ronk or from any of the many (male and female) performers who followed his lead.

Please report back when you've settled on a set list; this sounds like a very interesting project.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Claymore
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:56 PM

Actually I think you could make a case that it started the Folk/Sixties era when the Kingston Trio did "Tom Dooley" in 57 and ended when Bob Dylan took the stage with an electric guitar at Newport.

Short of that, I think the proposed list on the albums is as good a place to start as any. I'm glad to see Barry and Barry, and Bud and Travis, but would also like to see Joe and Eddie (There is a Meeting Here Tonight) two specific songs by Joan Baez, both of which say it all (Birmingham Sunday) and (Diamonds and Rust) and the song written by Tom Paxton about 9-11 (I forget the exact title, but the refrain is, "They were going up as we were coming down").

All in all, start with the Kingstons, Weavers, Burl Ives and Woody Gutherie, and end it with the Paxton song


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: GUEST,MikeofNorthumbria(at home)
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 05:18 PM

Hi Maryrrf,

If you want to include just one song in your programme from the Eastern shores of the Atlantic, to indicate how the folk revival took off over here, then I think you should choose one of Ewan MacColl's.

"The shoals of herring" would be a good choice, but "The thirty-foot trailer", or I'm a free-born man", or "First time ever I saw your face" or "Dirty old town", or "The Springhill mine disaster", or any one of a dozen others would do as well.

The man himself was far from flawless, and he made some big errors. But nobody over here did as much to show that the energy and vitality of the ballad tradition could be poured into new songs about events and issues of our own time. (On your side of the pond, his brother-in-law, Pete Seeger also achieved a lot in this area.)

Of course, there's a case for including one of those magnificent traditional songs like "Bushes and briars" or "The seeds of love" in any programme of folk songs that were popular in the '60s. But these songs had already been appreciated for a long time before then. What was different about the '60s was that many people began to realise that folk music was not just about preserving the glories of the past. They discovered that we could channel the spirit of the old ballad tradition into new songs about our own experiences.

Many people were initially attracted by new songs that spoke directly about the concerns of the present day, but later learned to love the older songs that provided the templates for them. And I still believe that if we hope to attract a wider audience for traditional folk music, then we must start with songs which address issues relevant to our present situation.

I hope that your show goes well - don't forget to tell us all about it afterwards.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Maryrrf
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 05:43 PM

Oh gosh - more and more overwhelming! I had actually planned to include two songs mentioned by Mike of Northumbria by Ewan MacColl. I was thinking "First Time Ever" but performed more in a more "folky" way than Roberta Flack, and "Shoals of Herring". But I hadn't thought of "Dirty Old Town" or "The Springhill Mining Disaster", which are also good. The presentation also has to be influence by what my friend and myself think we can do a good job of tackling - so that's another consideration. We might manage "John Henry" which can kind of fit into "blues" (although our version isn't very bluesy). We want to include some well known songs but not have it turn into a hootenany "sing along". I know whatever I come up with there will be pros and cons and an awful lot will get left out, but to really do the job I'd need a year long series of concerts!   "Tom Dooley" will be in there because it's generally acknowledged to have been "the" song that kicked off the folk revival. Well, that's several songs right there that I've decided to include.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 08:11 PM

the folk records seemed dramatically different from other pop records - obviously in instrumentation, but also in intention - folk songs seemed to have narrative qualities and actually take themselves seriously in way that a narrative pop song like wake up little suzie didn't.

that difference gave them a sort of stop you in your tracks quality at the time. perhaps someone else can explain how it was better than I can - I'm sure other people will know what I mean.

the advent of the LP record was another important factor. we got to know dylan and baez through their albums - rather than how we met Elvis and the Everlys in two minute pop classics. it seemed like a deeper relationship.

we actually felt that Bob Dylan understood our lives and our angst.    His songs were like a glass we saw our own frustrations through. a lot of his early stuff pokes fun at the superficiality of 'pop'. It seemed like we were being offered a 'no bullshit' deal off him.

in a recent interview Christy Moore tells of the influence that hearing the Clancys had on him over in Ireland. If someone can remember the link - it was on mudcat for you to download. Ian Campbell(folksinger and father of the lads in reggae group UB40) tells of touring with the Clancys and how they used to have a stool on the stage every night and when they appeared they would throw the stool aside in a sort of 'lets get on with it, we don't need the fripperies of showbiz' sort of gesture. And i think this is what the folk revival was offering us - a 'new deal' - not morally compromised and a fresh vision of what songs on the radio could achieve.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: jaze
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 08:17 PM

What about Child Ballads? They really came to the forefront during the sixties with a lot of artists rediscovering them and introducing them .


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Les B
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 09:02 PM

I don't believe I've seen mentioned yet the Carter Family who influenced a bunch of the 60's folkies, and also the New Lost City Ramblers who channeled all the great 1920's country/folk - like is found on the famous Harry Smith Anthology.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 04:40 AM

yes like a lot of people I became aware of Child ballads - firstly through Joan baez, and her song books.

I suppose it was like a spell that fell over some of us.

first stage was the radio friendly stuff - Kingston Trio, Burl Ives, Nina and Frederick,etc. then the albums and finally the folk clubs and college scene really started kicking off for ordinary people in the early 60's. although sophisticated city folk had had folk clubs since the 1950's.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: MissouriMud
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 12:55 PM

Lots of good ideas above, so Im going to try to avoid repeating too much of it.

To show the huge popularity of folk in the 60s and the blurring of commercial folk with pop you might want to consider referencing some of the traditional and written folk tunes that showed up at or near the top of the US Billboard charts (although perhaps using less pop versions in some cases) - some but by no means all of which include:


Greenfields (1960 #2)
The Lion Sleeps Tonight (1961 #1)
Michael Row the boat Ashore (1961 #1)
Cotton Fields (1962 #13)
If I had a Hammer (1963 #3)
Blowing in the Wind (1963 #2)
Puff the Magic Dragon (1963 #2)
Walk Right In (1963 #1)
House of the Rising Sun (1964 #1)
Mr Tambourine Man (1965 #1)
Turn Turn Turn (1965 #1)
Sounds of Silence (1965 #1)
Homeward Bound (1966 #5)
California Dreaming (1966 #4)
For What It's Worth (1967 #7)
Both Sides Now (1968 #8)
Scarborough Fair (1968 #11)
The Boxer (1969 #7)
Leaving on Jet Plane (1969 #1)
The Weight (1969 #17)

I left out a lot - including the Singing Nun's Dominique. Not sure where the crossover country tunes fit (I always considered songs like Roger Miller's "King of the Road" to be as least as folkish as some of Dylan or Paul Simons work. The fact is that the 60s blurred a lot of lines very fast.

Baez needs to be in there somewhere despite not having a hit tune in the 60's charts (her early traditional work was very influential and her cover of Malvina Reynolds' "What Have They Done to the Rain?" is a haunting sample of early 60s environmental concern.

Gordon Lightfoot, Grateful Dead and CSN were big at the end of the period, so there might besomething of theirs that is useable. Woodstock, the war, civil rights, the environment, love, peace, People's Park, the Chicago 7, psychodelics etc are some other themes that dominated the era at various times.

Please try to include Dylan's The Times They Are a Changing - the words were so representative of the feelings of the time: "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don't criticize what you can't understand, your sons and your daughters are beyond your command ..."


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: PoppaGator
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 01:09 PM

Maryrrf probably has more than enough input by now, but I think many of the rest of us will enjoy continuing this discussion and taking off on various different tangents.

I had been about to post an endorsement of the Clancy Brothers when Mike of Northumbria made such an eloquent argument in favor of Ewan MacColl as the single most important "east-of-the-Atlantic" figure who should be included in a review of US 60s folk music. MacColl is certainly responsible for at least a half-dozen very memorable songs, whereas I couldn't name a single song by the Clancys of comparable importance.

I would still argue that the Clancys (and Tommy Makem, of course) were so important because (1) they were the only (or, at least, the most prominent) "foreign" group to participate in the American folk revival, and played an important part in communicating that revivial back to Ireland and, by extension, to the UK, and (2) they were a huge influence upon their young friend Bobby Dylan when he first came to New York and as he began writing songs, many of the earliest ones to the melodies of Irish songs learned directly from the Brothers.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 01:13 PM

Joan Baez had a chart hit in the 60's in England with There but for fortune - a Phil Ochs song. perhaps it wasn't a hit in America.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Maryrrf
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 01:56 PM

Ewan MacColl
Clancy Brothers
Dylan
Baez
Kingston Trio
Peter Paul and Mary
Pete Seeger
Woody Guthrie (as inspirational "precursor"

All of the above are definitely on the list. I agree with "Times They are A'Changing" and that will be the song we'll use to kick off the concert. I'm still pulling ideas together and will meet with my friend the banjo player on Saturday. Then I should have something more definite. Even if we do only 2 songs by each of the above -that's already 16 songs and I'll only have time for around 24 - I'm figuring 12 songs maximum per set since there'll be commentary, as well as singing.


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Subject: RE: 'Sixties Folk Music' Presentation - Help
From: Tigger the Tiger
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:42 AM

Perhaps you had better mention that amongst us old timers,we took a basic controversy very seriously:were some of these groups really cleaned up and popular for commercial reasons?Many people thought at the time that sweet -sounding groups like Peter Paul and Mary took Dylan songs and ruined them. Lots of money but lost honesty. People thought it was the end of the world when he went electic. I did not mind,although I am an acoustic person,I understood freedom at an early age.Parents in the sixties thought Dylan was the end of the world.


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