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Subject: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: RWJ
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 06:16 AM

all i can rmember is

a mule it has two feet behind
before two feet before
don' stand beind befor you find
what the feet behind befor

Not writen by Colum but he sings it

can any one help

   Ron


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: RWJ
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 07:04 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:14 PM

E-mail him here

goodsongs@aol.com

Might be the fastest way if no one has an answer for you soon.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:53 AM

Have a look at the song MULES in the DT (you can get to it quickly enough by using the DT Lyrics M Browse on the Forum page (ignore the double entries we're getting since the last crash).

Packie Byrne used to sing what I remembered as a longer version, though it may have just been a lot of repeats. He also didn't use Old Lang Syne as the tune, which is what's stated in most places.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:55 AM

One site says it uses the tune, "The Miller's Daughter".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:59 AM

"One-One was a racehorse.
Two-Two was one, too.
When One-One won one race,
Two-Two won one, too."

This was unattributed on the site I cut and pasted from. Looks like it could be done to the tune of "Stewball".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:33 AM

The Miller's Daughter is one of the tunes listed for Old Lang Syne in Bruce Olson's site. I've had a look at a few tunes of that name from JC's tunefinder and they're not the tune Packie used to sing. Perhaps Bonnie will spot this and help out!

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:03 PM

Thread's creeping a bit here.... So getting back to the original request, Mick's right - I recall Colum saying he got the verses from Packie Byrne, but none of the usual Googling or song searches are able to turn up any reference to this one. Someone out there must know it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:45 PM

Not exactly creeping. All references (except possibly Peace's verse above) refer to versions of the right song. The trouble is I don't think I've heard Colum do it and it's so long since I heard Packie sing it that I don't know if the version in DT is all the words there are, and that Packie repeated them, or quite possibly Packie extended them himself. You can find versions all over the internet, but all more or less the same as DT - no more verses. The tune is I think universally stated as Auld Lang Syne (might be the curse of internet copying), and Peace's offering of The Miller's Daughter turns out to be a red herring as that's a tune for Auld Lang Syne. In the normal course of things I'd post the tune Packie used - which was certainly not Auld Lang Syne - but I can only remember bits of it. As far as I can tell Packie hasn't recorded it. Colum Sand's website has a discography with texts for all the songs, but sadly this isn't amongst them as far as I can see.

Currently I pin my hopes on Bonnie.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 01:57 PM

If this helps, Mick - I heard Colum sing it on more than one occasion, and the chorus is exactly as in DT but there are also three or four distinct verses, which are sung to the exact same tune and sort of develop the basic premise. Like yourself, I looked on Colum's website but since (a) he hasn't recorded it and (b) it's not one of his own compositions, it doesn't appear on there. The tune though - ah now there's a thing - it surely isn't Auld Lang Syne, it's more like a polka, one that's probably been used for any number of Irish folksong-derived or even music-hall-derived Oirish. Colum even "stage-lilts" the final line of the chorus!
Try emailing Colum then? Or does Bonnie lie over the ocean too?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 06:04 PM

I, too, have heard (and seen!) Colum do this several times. I remember the tune as a variant of "The man who waters the workers' beer", but my memory for tunes isn't too reliable.

Slight amendment of chorus:
A mule it has two feet behind
before(?) two feet before
don't stand behind before you find
what the feet behind be for

I work with close friend of Colum's who may remember more. I'll try to ask him before he goes off to Rostrevor in two weeks' time.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 04:58 PM

No, the guy doesn't remember more, but he will ask Colum when going to Rostrevor the week after next, so be patient ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Colum Sands song about a mule
From: RWJ
Date: 31 Jul 05 - 09:10 PM

Tried DT but no luck

   Ron


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Subject: Lyr Add: The Mule Song
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 11:44 PM

I know there was a thread about this not so very long ago, but I can't find it again, so here it is:

THE MULE SONG
(Trad / new words by Packie Manus Byrne)

Chorus:
For on mules you'll find two feet behind
And two you'll find before
You stand behind before you find
What the feet behind be for
If you're behind the feet behind
You'll find what they be for
So stand before the feet behind
And behind the feet before

Oh my name is Jack the Carter
And I work around the town
I have a strong and sturdy mule
To pull my cart around
But speaking from experience
A tale I'll tell to you
Never stand behind a mule
For it's a dangerous thing to do

A mule it is an animal
Of very low degree
It doesn't have a single branch
Upon its family tree
It's clever and it's stubborn
And that is all because
Its mother was a donkey and
Its father was a horse

And to conclude and finish
My song comes to an end
In spite of many tragedies
That mule is still my friend
But I must admit that o'er the years
He's kicked me once or twice
So I'll finish as I started
With a piece of sound advice

(Sung by Colum Sands to the tune of the first part of "Hot Ashfelt")

Straight from the mule's mouth, so to speak - Colum Sands had a gig in my hometown two nights ago, and I got him to write the lyrics down for me and Mudcat.
    I moved you here, Susanne.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/ADD: The Mule Song (Colum Sands)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:25 AM

A friend of mine sings this , but he has a couple of extra verses ! I will try and get them from him !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/ADD: The Mule Song (Colum Sands)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 06:30 AM

As promised , as sung by my mate Dave Stephenson , colected from Hugh Diamond at Whittlebury , and ex Packie Byrne!
A couple of extra verses - Sing them all , you'll be knackered !

Oh, me name is Jake the Carter and I work about the town,
I have a strong and sturdy mule to pull me cart around,
And speaking from experience, advice I'll give to you:
Don't ever stand behind a mule, it's a dangerous thing to do;

For on a mule you'll find two feet behind and two you'll find before;
You'll stand behind before you find what the feet behind be for;
If you stand behind the feet behind you'll find what they be for,
So stand before the feet behind and behind the feet before.

It was down in Camden Market, I was loadin' up some hay,
The polisman said, 'Move your cart, you're blockin' up the way!',
Well the mule he lifted his dainty leg and kicked him in the bum,
And he landed in the gutter on the road to Kingdom Come;

[chorus]

It was on a Sunday morning when the Murphys came from Mass,
The mule was grazin' on the lawn and croppin' all the grass,
Well it's sad to say, the last I heard of Mr Murphy's wife,
She was layin' in the hospital, a-strugglin' for her life;

[chorus]

Now to conclude and finish, my story now I'll end,
And it's through all kinds of tragedies this mule's remained my friend;
Though I must admit that through the years he's kicked me once or twice,
So I'll finish as I started with this bit of self-advice:

[last chorus - starting slow "on ... a ..." then very fast jig-like,
                   then slow down to big finish on last line]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/ADD: The Mule Song (Colum Sands)
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 05:03 PM

Thanks, Joe! No idea why it didn't show up. Maybe my search collided with the Mudcat overhaul.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/ADD: The Mule Song (Colum Sands)
From: Rowan
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 05:00 PM

Around this neck of the woods the song is sung to the Auld Lang Syne tune and the chorus appeared some 20 years ago on a CD of children's songs put out by Mike and Michelle Jackson.

And another song (with only one verse I've ever heard), to the same tune, I learned in the 50s;

The fish, it never cackles 'bout
its million eggs or so;
the hen is quite a diff'rent bird,
one egg and hear her crow.
The fish we spurn but prize the hen,
which leads me to surmise,
"Don't hide your light but blow your horn;
it pays to advertise."

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Mule Song (Colum Sands)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 11:23 PM

Mules

Tune: Auld Lang Syne

On mules we find two legs behind
And two we find before
We stand behind before we find
What the two behind be for
When we're behind the two behind
We find what these be for
So stand before the two behind
Behind the two before.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Mule Song (Packie Manus Byrne)
From: GUEST,Klarsen
Date: 28 Dec 15 - 12:59 AM

On a mule you'll find two legs behind
And two you'll find before
You stand behind before you find
What the two behind be fore.


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