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BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???

Bobert 09 Jul 05 - 08:27 AM
kendall 09 Jul 05 - 08:32 AM
jacqui.c 09 Jul 05 - 08:36 AM
Azizi 09 Jul 05 - 09:02 AM
Azizi 09 Jul 05 - 09:09 AM
Clinton Hammond 09 Jul 05 - 09:33 AM
GUEST,? 09 Jul 05 - 10:01 AM
Bobert 09 Jul 05 - 02:36 PM
frogprince 09 Jul 05 - 02:57 PM
Rapparee 09 Jul 05 - 04:24 PM
Donuel 09 Jul 05 - 04:53 PM
gnu 09 Jul 05 - 05:03 PM
GUEST 09 Jul 05 - 08:20 PM
Ebbie 09 Jul 05 - 08:31 PM
GUEST,Canadian 09 Jul 05 - 08:38 PM
Bobert 09 Jul 05 - 09:25 PM
GUEST,Canadian 10 Jul 05 - 12:04 AM
Greg F. 10 Jul 05 - 09:07 AM
Rapparee 10 Jul 05 - 10:39 PM
Bobert 10 Jul 05 - 11:12 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 10 Jul 05 - 11:23 PM
Kaleea 11 Jul 05 - 01:47 AM
LilyFestre 11 Jul 05 - 09:31 AM
Kim C 11 Jul 05 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,Anon. Member... 11 Jul 05 - 11:15 AM
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GUEST 11 Jul 05 - 03:57 PM
jimmyt 11 Jul 05 - 04:07 PM
Rapparee 11 Jul 05 - 04:59 PM
Bobert 11 Jul 05 - 10:36 PM
GUEST,ANON Member..tut tut 12 Jul 05 - 01:12 PM
GUEST,Guest 12 Jul 05 - 01:20 PM
frogprince 12 Jul 05 - 01:44 PM
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Subject: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 08:27 AM

In Sparta, Tenn., 2 churches and five homes were set on fire last night in the African American community...

Shame on America for making the kind of effort that is needed to send a clear message that hatred of someone because of their race is unAmerican...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 08:32 AM

Ignorance is a world wide problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: jacqui.c
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 08:36 AM

There will always be mindless thugs of all colours and persuasions.

It is a shame that the vast majority of people just allow these things to continue. Maybe if they were countered by other people rallying round to help the victims....

IMHO change for good starts with a few people who will stand up for what they believe is right, whatever the opposition. Takes a lot of courage to do that though.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:02 AM

Bobert, how do we know this is related to the KKK and racism?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:09 AM

When I was about 8 years old, my church in Atlantic City and two other African American churches were destroyed by fire because of racism. I don't remember that church building, but it is part of the church history that the arsonists were found and racism was the motive.

I am also aware that shortly before I came to Pittsburgh, Penn. in 1969 3 African American churches were set on fire, and one as a result was totally destroyed because of a racist arsonist.

This said, I don't want my first post to this thread to be interpreted that I am so naive that I don't believe such things happen in the USA {and elsewhere}. However, I would like to know if any facts are known about these Tennessee fires that directly connect them to the KKK and/or racism.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:33 AM

As long as white people are going to keep burning down black churches, black folks should get together and burn down The House Of Blues!
-George Carlin-


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: GUEST,?
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:01 AM

Read the following
www.ncfbc.org/cbrcfaq/htm
The URL doesn't seem to work. Try backingup to the main page:
National Coalition for Burned Churches and Community Empowerment


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:36 PM

I stand corrected, MiziAzizi... We don't *know* that racism had anything to do with the burning of these two black churches...

I spoke assumptively here, and apologize to all...

With that said, I should have put a question mark after the title of the thread given the KKK's history of intimidating black folks...

"KKK Alive and Well in Tenn???...."

Havin' lived most of my llfe in the South I know there is a segment of white folks who are about as hatefull, igorant and backward as anyone's wildest imagination... I lived with them. I've heard them talk. And they are folks who see themselves as victims and looking to blame someone else...

I'll leave it at that fir now...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:57 PM

Would that that stuff was isolated in any one region. I haven't, to my knowledge, known any actual KKK members. But a couple of years ago an acquaintance at a camera club was mentioning that he hadn't been able to find a copy or rental of "Birth of a Nation" available.
I just thought he was interested in it as a singular historic film. Then he made it increasingly clear that he appreciated it for its inspiring message. He went on to say that he felt the KKK started as a very good thing, but admitted that it had at times gone a little too far. I "lost it", and departed from the level of civil discourse.

Sad as it is to see homes and churches burned, it would be almost a relief if this turned out to be an isolated, mentally ill person.
But the odds are so good that Bobert's first assumption was right as to the nature of the case, whether or not it was literally Klan work.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:24 PM

The Klan was all over the US during the '20s, including Montana, Idaho, Indiana, and Michigan. There were also some spinoff groups that were even worse.

The Klan still exists. For some reason I can't fathom there are people who must, absolutely MUST, feel superior in some way: by race, by religion, by knowledge, by political party, by something.

Me, I've learned that I'm so butt-naked ignorant that I can learn from 'most anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:53 PM

Rapaire , you are known by all as a very wise man indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 05:03 PM

Truly sick. Truly sad. My thoughts and prayers to those afflicted by this disease.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 08:20 PM

Sorry that you Euros automatically thank south/fires/blacks = kkk

The emotional trash Bobert is spilling out is like saying the London bombings were IRA inspired.

Rediculous!

The fires might easily have smoldered since the 4th of July.
They may have been unattended candles left lit in the church.
They may have been faulty wiring.
They are probably one of those rare coincidental clusters of probability.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 08:31 PM

"The fires might easily have smoldered since the 4th of July.
They may have been unattended candles left lit in the church.
They may have been faulty wiring.
They are probably one of those rare coincidental clusters of probability." Yep. Sure 'nough could be. Let me ask you- where were you last night?


The Klan was in Alaska too, oddly enough, Rap. I don't know who their enemies were.

Some neighbors of mine love their house- it's historic, by our standards it is old, they collect antiques, and they have already set up a funded foundation so that when they die, the house and its contents will become the property of the city as a museum.

They said they were thrilled when they discovered the name of the person who built the house- until upon further research they discovered that he had been a founder of the KKK in Juneau.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: GUEST,Canadian
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 08:38 PM

I expect the police will do their investigation and find out who did it. I hope so, anyway. As to the KKK alive and well in Tennessee, hell, Tennessee has its share of assholes. Just like the rest of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:25 PM

Sometimes I worry 'bout mah main man, Parkey Rucker, down there in Maryville, Tenn... Yeah, even though he gets 'long fine wid white folks out on the road, ahhh, like he being married to Rhonda, a white woman an' livin' in eastern Tennesse worries me more than a little...

White folks in central and esatern Tenessee ain't all that enlightened... I know, I've been there an' 'round them... It wouldn't take much to whip them into a lynchin' mentality... That's what worries me 'bout lot o' places Iz either known 'er hung out...

Man, if I'd have a dollar fir every time Iz heard some redneck say nigger then I'd be one rich man... An' I ain't talkin' 'bout some 30 years ago but like in the last couple 'o days... Man, I hates that but most o' the time it ain't in no situation where I have 'nuff control to takwe the person aside an' say, "Hey, when you talk like that, not only do you offend me but you offend yerself, gol dangit"...

But there have been occasions where I did exactly that...

Yeah, I hate to say it but there are a bunch of white folk in America that all together ain't worth nuthin'... No, make that less than nuthin'....

Yeah, oaky, there's some bad black folk, too...

Don't want Hubby comin' in callin' nme no racist 'cause what I mighta said about a bunch of redneck white folk.

Sho nuff don't..

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....
From: GUEST,Canadian
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:04 AM

Difference between rednecks and good 'ol boys, Bobert. Rednecks just raise cattle; good 'ol boys get intimately involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:07 AM

Just shows up the paucity of the BuShite's phony "War On Terrorism".

Perhaps the U.S. needs to deal with its numerous home-grown terrorists before going abroad??

Naaahhh, all terrorists must be "Muslim Extremists". Silly me.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 10:39 PM

Ain't it innerestin' that that there GUEST plugged ol' Bobert right away? I din't know that Bobert was one a them thre Yurupeens; I thought he was livin' in Virginia, right down the road from where he went ta school.

Bobert, you a Yurupeen?


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 11:12 PM

Ahhhh, where's Yurup??? Ahhhh, I'z heard if it... Think it might be down 'round Sperryville but I ain't poked 'round much over there since ain't no fun gettin' over the Blue Ridge... Real windy... But Iz sure it's over there somewhere since ain't 'round these parts....

Ahhh, them folks responsible fir that Euro thing??? Heard that Saddam was into Euros... Hmmmmmmmmm?.... Maybe not a good sign since even if Bush dropped a nuclear device 'er bomb thing on the other side of the mountain it'd sho nuff make folks 'round here purdy danged mad 'cause it wopuld kill off half the deer!!! Hey, one thing I'z learnt up purdy good in my short time here is: Don't mess wid the deer!!! No sir 'er mame... Don't mess wid the deer....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 11:23 PM

The wire services are reporting that a man is being held for the burnings and at this point do not believe it is a hate crime (as of Sunday evening at least). Not that it makes what happened any better, but hopefully it will turn out to be criminal activity and not a hate crime.   

The Klan is alive in all 50 states, thankfully not with the influence they once had.   Hate still exists and we need to keep fighting the ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Kaleea
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:47 AM

I never cease to be amazed at the wars which are waged against fellow humans by humans--or those claiming to be human.
    Some years ago, the teenage boy of a gal I grew up with in Oklahoma decided to become a "skinhead." She was at the end of her rope with him, & ready to let the cops take him. Now, according to research done in OK, @ 50 % of Okies are of "Indian" ancestry. Now, this youngin is one whom I held as a baby, diapered, & his mother instructed him to call me "aunt." So when I visited, I sat this boy (then 16)down, & had a chat with him. I told him about how his father's family is Cherokee. I told him about the trail of tears. About how I am Choctaw & Cherokee & some of my family was hated by their own relatives. I told him about how there were many people who were prejudiced against my relatives, Indian & Irish, how in my lifetime there were signs in shop windows that said "Help Wanted--No Irish Need Apply!" (Also @50% of Okies are of Irish ancestry, & some of us are in both groups!) He never associated with those skinheads again.
   If we who "rock the babies" in this world would take seriously our roles as parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. from the time they are little ones, we could really change this world. One child at a time.
   
    I read research recently that the average midwestern American "white" person has some DNA which is "black."   I sure would like to be a fly on the wall & watch some of the hatefilled humans be informed of the interesting ancestry in their genes.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: LilyFestre
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:31 AM

The KKK and folks like them are everywhere. Don't be fooled into thinking it's a southern thing. Not too terribly long ago, there was some activity here in Pennsylvania in small town. I'm going to include a link to one of the articles. This article seems to down play just how disturbing some of the things and the amount of folks involved...don't let that fool you either. It's scary stuff....and it's not just about race.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=234&printable=1


Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:03 AM

Ron's right - the Klan is everywhere.

Here in Nashville, though, somebody threw firecrackers into a Buddhist temple over July 4 weekend. I didn't even know we HAD a Buddhist temple in town - that's how secluded it is. It's sort of hidden in a neighborhood with a large Laotian population - if you didn't know it was there, you wouldn't just run across it. They think it was probably some local teenagers acting foolish.

They need their little butts whipped.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: GUEST,Anon. Member...
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:15 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 02:08 PM

clan punchline...

cuz he fergot ta fasten his sheet belt.




I think the personna of GWB makes every clan member realize if they learn the code words they too could be in office.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 03:57 PM

Senator Robert Byrd, Grand Kleagle Emeritus, KKK - has worked hard to reduce the bad publicity and the bad rap his organization has garnered these last few decades.

This recent "fire" issue may set back his hard efforts, if the arsonist does indeed prove to have KKK connections.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: jimmyt
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:07 PM

I have lived the most of my life in Ohio and Georgia, and I have to say there is a great deal of racism in Ohio as well as Georgia. It is a narrow-minded bigoted view of things and those people are distributed all over the country as well as Europe. I am afraid stereotyping southern peope is still stereotyping.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:59 PM

Stereotyping anyone is stereotyping. Everyone knows that out here in the West we're all cowboys and gunslingers, except for the Nazis and the Indians. That Midwesterners are all clodhopping farmers. That all Californians are wacked out wierdo gay surfer movie stars.

All of which is kinda true, maybe, once....

Just like all Black folk are lazy and have natural rhythm, and forget about White folk who can dance (Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly) and are lazy louts (I could, but won't, mention names). Just like Indians all dress in buckskin and beads and say, "How!" and have never met Wilma Mankiller or Mark Echohawk or a thousand more.

Stereotyping people. Dumb, dumb, dumb.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:36 PM

Yo, GUEST.... Yer stuick in 50's.... Lotta water over the dam since Robert Byrd was involved with the Klan... He has just writtena book inwhich he talks about his transforamtion and how he has changed... Please don't continue propigatin' the falsehood that Byrd is trying to sanitize either the Klan or his association with the Klan because it's just that.... a falsehood...

Read his book and then come back and give us a book report...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: GUEST,ANON Member..tut tut
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 01:12 PM

I read somewhere on one of the Threads that posting anon now if your a member is frowned on.
Frown away!

I was going to post to this thread earlier but then I thought no, it would be drifting from topic and I talked about this subject a while back.
It apprears to me now that this thread has drifted , maybe in the words of a certain celebrity.. "this is a good thing"!



The KKK and their Buddies around the world are closer than a lot of Folks here think.

Hey want to receive some Hate emails from Race Hate Groups??. I know how you can do that!. That was a delightful kickback that happened to me as a result of using my Member Name when I replied to an extremely racist post a while back. Racist Hate filled crap waiting for me on my private email addy! nice eh! I, after posting, thought oh oh...there could be trouble here and immediately asked to have my email info removed from the Mudcat info section. It was of course.. but the damage was done even though my request was acted on VERY QUICKLY by Pene Azul.

Very nasty people have posted on the Mudcat throughout the Years. Comes with the Internet territory. There are, however, a few that are coming in here now and they say they represent something legitimate and even though myself and others tried to make it quite clear we knew who this Group was, this person, that still posts here and freely admits they belong to this organisation, underhandedly have, on several occasions, manipulated Racially charged Hate Posts to Flame up on certain thread topics ( it is pretty slick how it's done though if you can't see it for what it is but after many Years of dealing with Victim's of Hate crimes...this is one Mudcatter that can)
                                                                                                                                          
The member of this particular Group (just as Bobert says about Byrd) is " trying to sanitize either the Klan or his association with the Klan because it's just that.... a falsehood..." Now this person is a Member here now or posts as a Guest with their name attached (unlike this member, but then I guess this person would be delighted to get the kind of sick email I did) and this person when being challenged one day a while back even stated that they got lots PMs of support from others here which encouraged him a lot.. ain't that just great! That was it really for me... I mean why even bother then to attempt to draw attention to the covert message this person is putting out! The organisation this person belongs to has opened their doors to visiting KKK members when they Visited the UK in the past. They even still have Buddies in other Hate Groups in the US! Now this group, after years of what can only be described as violent, sick rhetoric and horrible actions are attempting to fool People into thinking their aim is not to provoke violence and instill hate towards people who, to put it bluntly just ain't white.
I could go on further but what's the point really. There will always be People that are desperate enough to believe that the color of a person's skin or the shape of their eyes or their Religion is the cause of their own personal problems. It is easier to blame someone else for the shit in their Lives than to take personal responsibility.

PMs of support from people right here! Guess this person's supporters felt it better to support anon too.. but by PM. I wonder why?...no I don't
It is really distrubing to watch how these organisations have slyly attempted to re-invented themselves....they are slick and sicker now, word twisters, who at first seem real normal and friendly, dare I say they even, at first, by telling people that the past is over and that their aims have changed, somehow make some people think about what they are saying and some then believe it! At times these Racists nearly sound educated but a small scratch below the hype or a well aimed shot at their hate button...and all that hate comes a tumblin out. Just in a more covert way. no hoods, no crosses burning, no steel toe caps boots, no skinheads....now you wouldn't know who they were if you were standing next them. That is the most frightening part of all. They are REALLY in disguise now but they are still very active and are working hard on their "public persona"

KKK alive and well in Tennessee! Damn, the KKK and their like are everywhere.
They most certainly ain't just down South in the USA.

Signed, Anon Member (who could have used a name after Guest but your never really anon on the Mudcat!)
I consider myself well and truly "frowned" apon but I can live with that!


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 01:20 PM

Read Byrds' book? That would sure clear up everything. So, Karl Rove is a liar and Byrd tells the truth? How do you know which is which?
(w/o bias, that is)


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 01:44 PM

"Anon Member": I personally don't have any problem with your choice to speak anonomously in a given instance; but I really can't see why you would be reluctant to attach your name to anything you said; I don't see it as inflammatory, or as inappropriate in the thread. My only caveat would be this: If a manipulative purveyor of hatefulness says he has received a lot of supportive PMs from people here, that is nothing like proof that it is true; don't let a lowlife weasel sow seeds of distrust.
             Dean.


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:57 PM

NIce, thoughtfull post, GUEST Anon Member.... It touched on some very real under the surface issues the the purveyers of hate that we all need to be aware of which...

...brings us to GUEST, guest, 1:20...

Yo, Guest, 1:20.... Are you on drugs, 'er what... What is it that you don't understand about a changed man and man who needs a good changin'???? World of difference...

Byrd was a bad man who now is good and Rove is a bad man intent on stayin bad...

What exactly is the grounds of yer laim arguement here, pal????

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KKK Alive and Well in Tenn.....???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 11:43 AM

This is not an arguement, I simply need another source to tell me that a person is changed, not just the person saying it.

Like, if you can't understand this, them maybe the mold spores in your stash box need eradicated.

I don't know Karl Rove but I do know that Byrd has the same attitude as he did 30+ years ago. Voice inflections and body language say a lot.


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Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:38 PM


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