BS: PayPal. The Bank from Hell

Subject: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: The Curator
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:23 PM

Have any of you ever had any dealings with Paypal, the rip off bankers owned by ebay. I have several hundred pounds in my account and I can not get access due to the fact the have put a limited access on my account because I have reached 4,500 pounds in transactions in over four years, and they have to close the account and put two small amounts into my bank account and I have to then phone them back and tell them the amounts and they reopen the account. That was over a week ago and still they have not deposited into my bank account and so I cannot access my money. They say it's a safety check in case I am moving money about ! Total assholes. The Micky Mouse bank.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:27 PM

Was this a Paypal thing or one of those emails pretending to be paypal?

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:32 PM

I use it 2 or 3 times a month, for small transfers (mostly Mudcat-related), and have had no problems. But I'm not an E-Bay user.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST,skipy
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:33 PM

Calm down, this is just the verification process.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:36 PM

I have had nothing but good experiences with PayPal. I opt for a check instead of a deposit into my bank account and they have always been accurate and timely when I request money. I recommend them highly.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:43 PM

Another vote in favour or PayPal....

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: LilyFestre
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:45 PM

We also use PayPal...never a problem. I know the security checks can be a pain in the behind but it's nice to know that someone is paying attention.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:47 PM

Never had a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Brakn
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:32 PM

I use it all the time and have had no problems at all. Also I'm a regular eBayer.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: sixtieschick
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:38 PM

No problems here either. But there are lots of fake eBay and PayPal emails going around. They look very convincing and make it sound like your account is going to be suspended unless you immediately provide all your banking information at a website to which a link is provided.

M.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:41 PM

Paypal will contact you only, I believe, on the Ebay website when you access your account.

I recently rcvd and e mail and sent it on to Ebay. They thanked me and told me it was a scam to get at my account---which,frankly, I have not used except one time and one time only for a 5.00 dollar purchase.   

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:42 PM

" But there are lots of fake eBay and PayPal emails going around."

Yes! Yes there are...   I agree with the above assertion that such a scam is likely what the "Curator" has fallen victim of

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: sixtieschick
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:44 PM

Forward any suspicious emails to [e-mail] or [e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:56 PM

As a buyer on E-Bay, I've used PayPal with no trouble, and have every confidence.

Like almost all reputable organisations they never send E-Mails asking for personal info. These E-Mails are a certain scam, and I delete without reading.

PayPal do have a verification procedure involving deposit and checkback as described, so if that came from the secure section of the website it is genuine, IMHO.

I reckon you are right in expecting to access your own money more quickly than this tho'.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:03 PM

I have also had nothing but good experience with Paypal.

If you get a supposed Paypal email that does not address you BY YOUR NAME, it is a scam by someone else, not Paypal.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:12 PM

I do not trust Paypal and will not use it. Your legal rights if you need to sue them are restricted.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:13 PM

But I should also say that all banks try to keep your money and stop you getting it - that's called "capitalism".

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:33 PM

No problems here.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:45 PM

You don't trust Paypal?   I guess the only safe place for money is keeping it in your mattress, but I know I would not get a good nights rest on it.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:56 PM

I've used PayPal for many years and have never had a problem. They have been safe, honest and easy to use both as a buyer and a seller.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:00 PM

a friend of mine had a bit of an ebay problem with paypal. He was selling something and the buyer submitted a check to paypal, which reported to my friend that the check had cleared. But in fact the check was bogus, and paypal after crediting the amount deducted it and my friend was high'n dry.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: harpgirl
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:10 PM

I agree with Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: mack/misophist
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:41 PM

After using it a few times, I decided to use my credit card instead since I purchase, rather than sell. To this day, there are sites I cannot buy from because PayPal detects my card number (which they weren't supposed to retain) and blocks the transaction unless I use their services. Twice I called customer service to have the account killed. No joy. I don't like PayPal.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 12:13 AM

The go back into your paypal account, and change the settings to it's not associated with that credit card anymore...

Easy peasy

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:36 AM

yup - sounds like a scam because they ask for a PHONE CALL with the information - the verification process for PayPal is done on their (secure) website.

No problems here.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:52 AM

Your legal rights if you need to sue them are restricted

Your legal rights to sue regular banks are pretty restricted too.

and the buyer submitted a check to paypal, which reported to my friend that the check had cleared. But in fact the check was bogus, and paypal after crediting the amount deducted it

Again - standard banking procedure.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: dwditty
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 12:25 PM

Sounds like you got scammed by Paypal pretenders....I must get 20 emails a week asking me to do this or that about my Paypal account..ignore them all. Verification by phone? hahahahha

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: s6k
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 02:42 PM

PayPal is EXCELLENT, the best way of trading money with someone instantly over the internet.
i have been able with paypal to buy dvds, cds, etc from america, jamaica, germany, etc, that you simply CAN NOT buy in the UK.

Paypal has without a doubt made my life better. also if you use it in conjunction with eBay it is excellent as you get a receipt by email saying how much you have given someone or what they have given you, therefore if you are ripped off on ebay (very unlikely) you can prove you are right.

i think its good theyre making you verify yourself by putting the amounts in. when i first joined, they put 2 small amounts in my account too. and i will admit, they pissed me off, because they took about 4 weeks for me, but now i am on, i can forgive them

as for why are they doing this to you, well, maybe you selected a personal acccount instead of a business account - the business account is unlimited.

the title of this message is false advertising and slander because youre not happy with them, maybe they will see this thread and sue you!

im sure youll agree this is better than having some hacker steal all your money and bank details

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 03:01 PM

it took less then 48 hours for me - and most of that was waiting for my BANK to post the transactions.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 03:17 PM

When I first started using paypal I had to use a credit card. There was a monthly limit on this and to change to unlimited I had to put it through my bank account even though I would have preferred to continue using the credit card. I also had to go through a security arrangement involving deposits in my account and this took about ten days. It was all done on the secure site and I have had no problems since. I would have liked more choice in the method of payment though.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST,Peter from Essex
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:49 PM

The restriction is a legal requirement under anti money laundering regulations. You would have had exactly the same problem using Nochex or the now defunct Natwest Fastpay.

Look at bulletin boards about epayment services rather than folk music and you will find lots of people in the same boat.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: vectis
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 06:22 PM

I use Paypal occasionally and have had no problems with it. Sounds like you have been scammed.
I forward all my Paypal spams to Paypal so they can TRY and track the perps down and stop them.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 11:55 PM

The only problem I'm finding now with PayPal is that I decided to confirm a couple of settings and had to do that two deposits into your bank account routine to get there. I prefer that PayPal charge the purchase to a VISA card, because you DO have recourse when you purchase with a credit card that you don't when it's from your bank account. It's also a buffer from my regular accounts. But with the confirmation of the accounts, it has set itself up by default to take the money from my checking account. I have to go in and tell it where to take the money from each time. It's a nuisance.

Other than that, PayPal seems to work fine. I wouldn't touch it for many years, but after eBay bought them and straightened the company out I've heard nothing but good about them.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 12:24 AM

Curator - an economy BOOMS when the money churns.

Unfortunately, you chose to be a miser and hoard your gain.

The levied inconvenience is due and just - you are working in essentially a barter system of economics.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 02:24 AM

I notice a lot of posts from Catters who I recognise as being American saying they have no problem with Paypal. Go back to the start, the problem is with a UK paypal account. As somebody posted above the problem is UK law not Paypal.

See this discussion relating to exactly the same "problem" experienced by a customer of one of Paypal's rivals.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 11:05 AM

I use PAYPAL to pay for most of my ebay purchases. A recent purchase took three weeks because the vendor didn't accept PAYPAL which was a damn nuisance.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:04 PM

like most people I use paypal cos IT IS CONVENIENT. hOwever I do have sympathy with you curator. I think all these institutions that aren't actually on the high street, they don't have look you in the eyes with daft demands and arbitrary decisisions. I thought the Co-op bank, which many I know feel to be the very model of ethical banking - well just a little bit too unaccountable when I used them - so of course I stopped.

I think it reminds me a bit of when microwave ovens first came out. I went around insisting they were crap, because they couldn't do eggs without the bleeders exploding. Then somebody explained to me gently - they're not crap Alan - you've just hit on something they can't do.

Paypal does what it does, banks do what they do - I think that's probably the root of the situation.

al

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 10:54 PM

I cook eggs in the microwave all the time without them exploding - you just have to know the techniques. The secret is in the prick...

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 07:15 AM

as it is in so much of life .....

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: The Curator
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 11:47 AM

Just an update. Eight days after I spoke by phone to Paypal the two small deposits they said they would deposit into my bank account are still not there. I have phoned every other day, still no luck. They will not answer emails either. I am getting very pissed off with these assholes. If only there had an office where you could get to them, then again maybe that's why they don't. Micky mouse operation. By the way I have been with them for years without problems, but when they do come they really sicken you.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 11:56 AM

Curator - have you gone to their website and initiated the verification process from there?

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 12:52 PM

Curator.. You got scammed (and NOT by paypal...) Get your money OUT of the bank account that your paypal account is connected to and fast...

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: The Curator
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 11:22 AM

MMario and Clinton, It's from Paypal o.k. I spoke to them by phone. They stopped my account because I had made 4,500 over four years and they said they have to stop the account and get me to register again to ensure I am not involved in money cleaning,lets be real 4,500 over 4 years is not exactly the big time ! I went through the process through their site, every time I tried to enter the information it just read, INFORMATION HELD PLEASE TELEPHONE US. When I did they went through the same crap again. Now they said they will deposit two small amounts under 30 pence into my account and I have to tell them what the amounts are by phoning my bank. That was eight days ago and still they have not deposited. They are posting out a number which I have to enter. I am so pissed off with it all. I note a lot praise Paypal, so did I for four years, await your turn my friends. Thanks for the interest guys.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 07:32 PM

best of luck Curator.

It might be an idea to e-mail this thread to them and show them the bad press they are getting. One story like this tends to proliferate. You won't be on your own.

al

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 07:35 PM

you could say you intend to send this story to every folk magazine in England - and Ireland - and send a message out to all Paypal users to be watching out. Most people use Paypal.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: dwditty
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 12:23 AM

I see no reason to send the names of everyone in this thread to the scammers who got Curator. Bad idea.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: dwditty
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 12:23 AM

I see no reason to send the names of everyone in this thread to the scammers who got Curator. Bad idea.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Tobyjug
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 02:59 AM

I have recently had my first problem with PayPal after I changed my account to a Business Account, so I could receive payments for translation work. Up until then I had no problems buying stuff via eBay and from other sites.

Then someone tried to pay me an advance for an assignment, and tilt. The transaction could not be processed. Reverted to electronic fund transfer between banks.
At the same time I was trying to buy something for my son's birthday from a site where I regularly use PayPal. Whammo - transaction could not be completed.

Called Paypal by telephone - sorry, they said, seems to be a glitch with your recent change to Business account, we'll look into it. In the meantime they would revert my account to a Payment only account. I asked for an e-mail to advise me as soon as the problem had been resolved (bug fixed!). Paid for my son's birthday present successfully using PayPal.

Three days later received an e-mail advising me that problem was still being investigated, and to get back to them in two-weeks' time. I e-mailed them back asking if I could work around their bug by opening a new account.

I'm still waiting for a reply!

Seems they are not too keen for paying customers to use their facilities to be paid, even though they charge a fee!

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: The Curator
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 11:38 AM

dwditty, I thought at first to it was a scam, I ingored the first two, then account closed. I have been on the phone daily to them. Them admitt it's them.
Thanks for suport and idea weelittledrummer.

Subject: RE: BS: PAYPAL. THE BANK FROM HELL.
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 12:13 PM

Curator, judging from this site you are not alone. Perhaps you can get some sage advice from the forum there.